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60% were told by the dealer they would have to pay a mark-up over MSRP. The largest group among those were those told they would have to pay at least $10,000 over MSRP, representing 37% of that group.
Through an interview with a California dealership the Times found out another new piece of information. GM had banned out-of-state sales.
http://gm-volt.com/2010/08/06/majority-of-chevy-dealers-marking-up-volts-gm-bans- -out-of-state-sales/
So how many buyers will they get at $50k each?
Clarification: GM Has not Banned Dealers from Selling Volts Out of State
It is rare that I have to issue a clarification, especially in recent years, but in this case it is necessary.
In the last post I reported a New York Times piece in which the author wrote that GM had “banned” the sale of Chevrolet Volts to out-of-state buyers, based on an interview with a dealer in California.
The poll accompanying that post has already revealed that 30% of GM-Volt readers who have ordered a Volt, did so from out of state dealers. So obviously it is occurring anyway.
As readers have pointed out, GM cannot ban dealer practices, and only make suggestions. They are independent franchises.
“The dealer was misinformed,” said Volt spokesperson Rob Peterson of the dealer referenced in the Times story.
“We have not banned sales to residents outside of launch markets,” he said.
So feel free to go right out and buy a Volt from one of the launch market dealers, regardless of where you live!
http://gm-volt.com/2010/08/06/clarification-gm-has-not-banned-dealers-from-selli- ng-volts-out-of-state/
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GE will begin with an initial purchase of 12,000 vehicles from General Motor Co., starting with Chevy Volt in 2011. The conglomerate said it "will add other vehicles as manufacturers expand their electric vehicle profiles."
The first Chevrolet Volt is expected to roll off production lines later this month.
GM confirmed the announcement with CNNMoney.com.
Does that mean GE will get a $90,000,000 tax credit from the Feds?
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So, no, they only get a $30,000,000 tax credit......:)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxphevb.shtml
Yes you did, it is now included with such fine cars as the Ford Probe, Chevrolet Citation, Chevrolet Vega and the Plymouth Reliant.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It's just that being Motor Trends Car of the Year doesn't guarantee that the car will be good. MT has picked a few dogs.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
To me, neither vehicle is very good as a stand-alone vehicle for a single person to use as their sole vehicle, primarly because the Leaf isn't a long distance cruiser, and the Volt is a poor long distance cruiser, since it's gas engine isn't very efficient (mid-30s MPG from what I've read) on highway cruises.
They would be good for commuters as the second car in the family, but to me if that's their best use, then you might was well make them smaller and cheaper. If the Leaf can only go 50 miles in real world driving with AC running on the highway, why even bother having seating for 4 and a trunk, when all it will ever be used for is by a single person commuting to work. Make it like an aerodynamic Smart car. And what does the Volt have causing it to cost over $10K more than the Prius??
The batteries for one thing. Like EVERY vehicle out there it is made for certain people. I drive about 12K a year 99% in town and maybe about 500 miles of that is more than 40 miles and no trips as we use family car for that. I can see myself in the Volt at the end of one year with the original tank of gas still in it.
Otherwise I agree. People buying plug-in hybrids and pure EVs would be wise to consider electric rates as well as gas prices when trying to determine which vehicle has a lower TCO.
That presents another problem. Gas does not do well sitting in the tank. Will it gum up the engines that rarely run to recharge the batteries?
So to me, the Leaf makes the better commuter only car, while the Prius makes the better commuter/highway/road trip car. To me the Volt is too big/expensive for commuter only car, but doesn't work for an overall multi-purpose car.
Tell that to the American dealer that I bought the car from He was glad I bought from Japan. Plus by buying a Prius, you're letting American manufactures understand better what the public wants and needs in a car in terms of quality, reliability, features, interior space, etc.
I'm not sure how much gas/month, say, is consumed. But if someone plans on running in EV mode the majority of the time they'd do fine, I'm sure, with just putting in 2 gallons or so every few months.
Why do you think the Volt won't work as an all-purpose car? The price may prove too big of a barrier for most folks, but usability is up with any other compact 4 door sedan.
So while it can be used as a multipurpose vehicle, I wouldn't want to pay $10K more than the Prius for less space and marginally better MPG (or $/mile driven) for mixed use driving.
If its like the Prius, in northern climates it will run for heat/charging....and I've seen a Prius do this on a cold winter day.
I leave E10 in a gas can and trickle it away over the course of 6 months running my lawn mower. What's left over gets dumped in my car. I've never had any problems starting/running the mower nor with my cars.
The worst thing I can see happening is the alcohol evaporating, turning 10 gallons of "gas" (90% gasoline, 10% ethanol) into 9 gallons of gas. Alcohol is non-residual; that's why it makes for a good cleaner for things like electronics.
Professional loggers who are in regions where they cannot obtain pure gas (www.pure-gas.org), do not keep E10 fuel for more than 3 or 4 weeks for their expensive 2 stroke chainsaws. For 4 strokes, 8 weeks is the accepted shelf life unless the fuel is stabilized.
Ask any mechanic about ethanol fuel and fuel systems. Every marina near me has "help wanted" signs for marine mechanics. One shop has gone from doing 3 or 4 carbs a year to a long waiting list in the hundreds. My own boat is in the shop for clogged fuel injectors due to ethanol fuel - the only fuel available in my area.
You are entitled to your own opinions - but not to your own facts.
But it's simply not gonna happen. The Volt's gas tank is sealed: http://www.biofuelshub.com/features/4-features/1075-does-e10-have-a-shelf-life
And here's the Volt's chief engineer on the subject: http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/26/volt-chief-engineer-on-chevy-volt-gas-tank-size-an- d-stale-gas-management/
ALL cars have sealed fuel tanks - this is not unique to the Volt.
You really think 3.8 tsp of water is an unreasonable assumption? How do you think it was calculated? You don't believe in condensation?
Chemistry and physics only apply to the rest of us - I'm sure you are exempt.
So it's almost the same, but if you do a lot more road trips then the Prius wins and if you do a lot less, then the Volt wins. Also, the Volt only as 10CuFt of cargo space (21 in the Prius) and a pretty small back seat. Based on this, it seems like the Volt is good for a commuter car, but as a full-time family car it would be better to have a Prius, again, depending on your driving style and cargo needs.
Going green seems to cost alot of money.I would think natural gas cars would be more affordable.
My wifes has found green religion lately and it scares me.40k for a volt not a price for the middle class I say. :lemon: I took her to get a Prius @28K and she couldn't use the rear camera. She has a IS Lexus.I think the Nissan leaf is for her and keep the IS.Green is trendy now.We will see how long. :sick:
Since you seem to know about this better than the engineers who designed the car, why don't you enlighten us as to where the water-laden air will come from? The tank is sealed and the car barely uses any gas. Thus the tank is rarely opened for refueling. There's no air entering the tank (as it's full there's no room for it and it's sealed anyway) so where's the water coming from?
I'll add that while opening an empty tank to refuel lets air in, that air is pushed right back out before condensation can occur as the tank is filled with gas.
BTW, when you make statements like "You are entitled to your own opinions - but not to your own facts." and "Chemistry and physics only apply to the rest of us - I'm sure you are exempt." you don't help your cause. Insulting others instead of stating your case and providing examples with supporting arguments - which you've yet to do - hurts your credibility far more than any honest mistakes on my part might hurt mine.
The U.S. government buys hybrids almost exclusively from Ford and GM. It bought only 17 Prius models and five of Honda’s Civic hybrids in the past two years. Chrysler Group LLC stopped making hybrids in 2008 after about two months of production.
The government purchased about 64 percent of GM’s Chevy Malibu hybrid models and 29 percent of all Ford Fusion hybrids manufactured since Obama took office in 2009, the data show. GM stopped making the Malibu hybrid in 2009 after lack of consumer demand.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-23/obama-bolsters-u-s-hybrid-auto-sales-in- -waning-consumer-market.html
I just dumped my lawn mower gas can into my car so the gas can will sit empty through winter. The E10 is from June or thereabouts.
Look - no citations again. Also none for other such controversies as gravity, a round earth and the sun setting in the west.
In all serious I would like to see something on how water gets into a sealed gas container. The references I've found are all about marine usage which (apparently) does not involve sealed tanks and certainly means the tanks are being filled in an environment that isn't friendly to E10 or any petroleum-based fuel.
"Also none for other such controversies as gravity, a round earth and the sun setting in the west. "
That the earth is round is a relatively recent revelation given the length of time humans have been "civilized".
DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors now says its Chevrolet Volt electric car will go 25 to 50 miles on battery power, depending on temperature, terrain and driving techniques.
In the past GM has said the rechargeable Volt could go 40 miles on battery before a gas engine kicks in to power the car for another 300 miles.
Spokesman Rob Peterson said Thursday that the change was made because GM now has more experience driving the Volt. He says the new range is more realistic and based on extensive driving tests.
The rechargeable Volt is due in showrooms in December. It has a base sticker price of $41,000.
One way to increase your tax liability enough to get the most out of the credit for either the Leaf or the Volt would be to fully or partially convert regular IRA to a Roth.