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thanks for the clarification ;-)
Is he trying to lure me into buying the more expensive model or is he being honest? And if so, why no 2WD models?
By the way, I’ve seen somebody highly recommended that dealer here, all I want to say is they are NOT that good, BE CAREFUL!
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Sorry about your delayed CR-V arrival and the frsutration it has caused. Curious to know a little more about the dealer's reaction to the snafu, etc. I ordered a CR-V EX from them in late November due to the many referrals on this board. I was told to expect arrival mid-January to mid-February. I was notified about a week ago that the car had arrived. I've been very impressed with their level of service so far. Timely responses to e-mails, withholding dealer badging, a color change early on, etc.). My salesperson promised little and delivered more than expected. I prefer that way of business. I will pick up the vehicle in a week and let you know if it goes smoothly.
I can understand your first reaction is to opt out of the deal but maybe that month won't be as long as you think it might be right now. Anyway, best of luck with whatever decision you make.
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For all you guys that are having trouble getting a CRV maybe you should look into the Saturn VUE. It looks pretty good and apparently Honda doesn't care that much about your business.
Bob
ordered AWDs. Noticed in AZ Republic(PHX) ad last
weekend "11 CRVs in stock" w/ a price in the mid 18k range. had to be all 2WDs for that price.
Who needs AWD in the suburbs in the desert!
Your dealer could order or trade another dealer for a 2WD!?
Anyways, the mechanic called me back and told me that he was unable to get the problem fixed from his initial attempt. (whaich was to insulate the sound) He said that the gear shifter assembly would have to be taken apartand it would be a 3-4 hour job.
I don't really want my new car taken apart for a clicking noise that is not noticeable when the radio is on. I told him to forget it unless they happen to find a quicker fix with someone elses car to act as the guiny pig.
I was just wondering if anyone else has heard this and if so was the problem resolved.
Also, I'm keeping track of my milage and my 1st tank gave me 19.5 miles/gal on city driving. 6 miles back and forth to work each day with many lights and no highway driving.
My 2nd tank was 22.8 m/g with a mix of the same city driving and some highway driving. Is this normal? I thought the milage on the V's should be mid 20's.
On to topic I have just today noticed the exact same clicking noise. We have a 2002 LX 4wd auto, which is about a month old. My question is should I bother taking it to the dealer to get fixed, or should I not worry too much about this problem? Also how much did your dealer/mechanic know about this problem? Thanks again for the help.
tidester
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You should try the Santa Fe however...
anyway, the test that rav4 was subjected to and failed was basically me sitting in the fornt seat confortably, then without changing the seat position i would try to place my self in the back seat behind the driver's seat. since the only way i could fit is by speading my legs to let my knees bo on either side of the seatback, rav4 was deemed a failure. the fact that in june 2001 rav4 was a so called "hot commodity" the dealer wanted almost $25 000 for rav4 with the options i had in mind. being a honda guy, i had no problem switching from the civic to cr-v, the contorls are in the same place and everythinng else is familiar and the fact that cr-v se driveaway price was $22 000 helped too. it was an easy descision.
the moral is, never trust dealers who diss other makes, if this is all he has to say about his product, then maybe he needs to learn more about the product itself. i bet you most of us here know more about honda's products than most salespeople do.
I actually chose the crv over the Highlander. There was a difference. Toe HL was bigger and more refined, but the difference is not worth the price premium. I tend to drive cars until they are not worth repairing. So I am very interested in Honda. I hope they get the "bugs" worked out.
Canwin2 - I've never read anything that confirms what the dealer told you about speeds over 80 kpm. Regardless, is there a reason why you'd need the system to engage at that speed? If anyone is driving at those speeds on ice or snow, they have a problem that no car manufacturer can fix.
Okay, all that said, the RAV4 does have a better system if your only concern is traction. At low speeds, the proactive system has a better chance of preventing slippage than a reactive system like the CR-V's, Escape's, and VUE's. The split second it takes for a reactive system to kick in might be enough to allow the car to rotate into a spin or some other difficult to control situation. How significant the differences are is always open to debate.
rockycow. PS my M/R Chianti red CRV is due in April.
To samstr: at least your dealer attempted to come up with a solution; my dealer closed the door on the problem and told me, "until Honda comes up with a solution (which he didn't anticipate would be coming anytime soon) there's nothing we can do about it." I still believe it's a DEFECT because no other car on the market has this noise..I believe HONDA should admit to this DEFECT and find a solution. Come on, you can send a man to the moon, but you can't find a solution to this problem (give me a break). Most new CRV buyers, like myself, didn't even know this problem existed during the purchase phase so the problem was over looked. If this was a characteristic of the vehicle the sales person should have disclosed the noise and let the buyer determine if the noise was an issue to them. Also, I had a lot of faith in the Honda name so I didn't even consider such a problem would occur. Anyway, that's my two cents and I will continue to take issue with this problem until Honda at least ATTEMPTS to fix it. If anyone has discussed this problem with their service technician, please post outcome. Thanks!
Also, I still have a problem with a rocking drivers seat. I have an appointment with service next week. I will post outcome!!!
1. With mileage at about 2,700, I drove it at 60 m.p.h. with some in town driving (about 85-90% on highways. I got 24.8 mpg. Drove about 100 miles. Some stops with engine off.
2. With mileage at about 2800, I drove it at 65 m.p.h. with some in town driving (again, about 85-90% on highways. I got 24.7 mpg. Drove it about 100 miles, again with some stops with engine off.
3. With mileage at about 2900, I drove it at about 71 m.p.h. with some in town driving (again, about 85-90% on highways. I got about 24.4. Drove it about 100 miles, again with some stops with the engine off.
Should I be disappointed in the mileage I'm getting? Sticker says 26 mpg for highway. I thought with the less agressive Micheling tread (assuming it is less aggressive) and the higher air pressure that I would be doing much better on the mileage. I realize that I don't have much in the way of miles on my vehicle and that it likely will do better in the future. Any other ideas? Anyone doing much in the way of checking your mileage? Appreciate any feedback you can give.
First of all, I am NOT a car dealer. I am a computer programmer. I live in Tulsa, OK working with a local aviation company. I noticed that some people here have posted lots of good words about Mark Roberts. That was the reason I chose them as my dealer of CR-V. But actually they are the WORST dealer I ever had! I ended up wasting one month of time and going to a local dealer.
The host of this board removed my post and said: “Your specific post has violated our Unauthorized Commercial Activity regarding Solicitation/Promotion. "You agree that, except with Edmunds.com's prior consent, you will not solicit or promote any products or services, nor self-promote (either in your Postings or in your profiles) for personal gain within Town Hall. You agree you will not use information supplied within Town Hall to solicit or promote any products or services via email or any other method. You agree to not gather public email addresses from member profiles for the purposes of spamming or soliciting members. You agree to not promote other auto forums that provide message boards or chats."”
But I noticed all good words about Mark Roberts remain on this board. I just couldn’t understand it.
Here I re-post the 2nd half of my story. I removed the name of the local dealer for NOT violate the Member Agreement.
Dear Host: Please DO NOT remove this post, I just want to complain about Mark Roberts’ service and let other people know our unpleasant experience. Thanks!
ROCKYCOW: Thanks for your input, the sale manager told me that they will sent the check back on Monday.
DCHPHOTO: I am NOT a dealer. I just want to get a new car for my wife, she is pregnant. We have switched our cars. I will be driving her 94 Protégé until we get the CR-V.
JHEIL: Thank you for the message, good luck!
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Today (2/9/02) we called Mark Roberts. All we wanted was staying with them and asking for some small compensation, 'cause they made the mistake, they should apologize and show something to us that they really feel sorry.
To our surprise, the sales manager changed his words. He said that my car SHOULD arrive in April, the information about March arriving was just a miscommunication between the laid-off sales man and us. The sales manager even told me that I either stayed with them, or took the deposit back, no other choices. And he also said that since yesterday I told him I'd rather stayed with them, so to discuss about anything else was a totally waste of his time. MAN! They wasted us one month of time and the sales manager told me I was wasting his time!
We were very angry. These guys not only know nothing about how to manage their orders and sales persons, but also have absolutely no ideas of how to treat their customers!
So we told that guy to give us deposit back. Then I called *** Honda in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Their sales man told me that they could match the price. We went there, signed the contract, and paid $200 deposit. We were told that our new CR-V EX would arrive in mid-April.
Anyway, Mark Roberts is the worst dealer I ever had. Maybe they feel that their prices and business are so good that they don't have to treat their customers nice.
We will write Mark Roberts' general manager a letter about this matter,
and I would post my story whenever I see somebody recommends this dealer
on this board. Hey guys! If this thing happened to us, it could happen
to anybody! And the other words I want to say are always trying your
local dealer, asking them if they can match their price, and if you
already placed order at Mark Roberts, you'd better check your order
status every week in case your sales person get laid-off and they just
forget about you car.
Again, my new dealer is *** Honda in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and they
treated us well. Check out their web site at ***.
I presume you are filling the tank after each of these tests. When doing so, make sure you use the same pump at the same station, and don't top off. This will give you a more realistic use of fuel. Additionally, drive more than 100 miles. Try measuring over full tanks rather than the 5 gallons you are now.
Good Luck.
Also ordered a set of 16" rims/tires from discount tires, a few things from hparts, although the keyless and metal trim are on back order, and getting the windows tinted tomorrow. will try to post picks when i can.
During the simulated test, the vehicle never exceeds 60 mph. It is generally accepted that fuel economy drops as you go faster than 60 mph, especially for a vehicle shaped like the CR-V.
There are a couple of other factors to consider: One is "winter gas" sold in some parts of the country, which many people say does not perform the same as the stuff they buy in the summer. The other is altitude. As I hear more and more CR-V owners talk about their gas mileage, it seems as if drivers near sea level (like me) don't do as well as the ones at higher elevations. Could the lower drag of thinner air be helping?
Thanks
However, on the weekends I get 19-21 MPG given that I run my errands to places 1-2 miles away from home several times a day. Needless to say the engine doesn't completely warm up. Also I notice that I get the best mph when temperatures are above 40 degrees. We get the 'winter gas' too, especially in the area where I live...they have a different blend b/c of enviromental reasons.
I have been somewhat frustated because the EPA estimates says 26 mph. I think the best mph that I have gotten thus far is 24.5 (that was the first tank and it was warmer back in November!).
I'd like to know where people found a dealer willing to special order the EX with manual transmission. Normal EX comes with automatic. Here in the Bay Area, CA, dealers hardly want to give you the time of day.
I am curious which of these options people can get after market. I don't want to pay dealer prices for these:
floor mats (I assume the new CR-V is different shape than old)
moon roof visor
cargo area cover
cargo liner
cargo tray
Do any CR-V owners recommend any of these options?
INKY
INKY
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Things to keep in mind. 1.) Cold air burns better and forces the engine to use more fuel in the mixture. I generally see a 2-3 mpg drop in my average through the Winter months, though the car does seem a bit more peppy. 2.) Wait until you've broken the engine in. Engines don't run perfectly out of the box. It can take as long as 5,000 miles to properly break in an engine. 3.) Ease of on the gas. Frequent hard acceleration is a sure way to drop you mpg average. Practice driving "smoothly" through the city and around town. Driving at high speeds is another strategy for poor fuel economy.
Mrbassman - Based on what I've read here and on other forums, the ticking from the reverse lockout is something that most people cannot hear unless they are actively trying to find it. (Of course, once you find it, the sound may bug you constantly.)Most cannot hear the sound with the radio on even at moderate volume. Take a test drive and decide for youself. It does not happen with a manual tranny because the manual does not require the reverse lockout.
re: mrbassman-
the floormats are standard. I'm getting the cargo cover this week from hparts.com so I'll let you know how the looks/operates. They sell original honda accessories near cost. i.e. the dealer wants $199 for the metal look trim, hparts $140. shipping is very low also.
I also would like to comment on my overfilled transmission. I checked the fluids a day after delivery in my drivway, which is pretty level. But just to be sure, I checked with the car in both directions. Each showed that the tranny fluid was about .5 cm above the hash marks. From my experience with changing tranny fluid on my accord. this is about .5 quarts. So I syphoned the .5 quarts out and now the dipstick reads to the top of the hash marks. I'm pretty anal when it comes to cars and I didn't want the extra fluid to strain the tranny more.
We had not luck with getting the Price below MSRP, even almost blew the deal when they demanded we get "perma-plate" paint protectant, but told them we would walk away and they called back and agreed to it.
Anyway, try the Honda dealer in SLO... You can email them for a qoute...
At first I didn't think I had the "dreaded solenoid noise". Then someone mentioned you could actually feel it in the shifter if you rested your hand on it while coming to a stop so I tried that at it was in fact there. Now I can actually hear it if I listen for it but it certainly doesn't bother me.
I consider myself to be pretty anal when it comes to interior noises likes rattles and jingles. They typically drive me nuts until I find them and fix them but in this case I can leave it alone.
-Rob
Anyway, our story has a happy ending, one Tulsa dealer matched their price, and so we are still getting the V without paying MSRP.
BTW, I saw you posted about Mark Roberts from time to time. I’d like to ask you the same question you just asked me: are you in car bus?
and liked it but not the shifter location.Looks like a minivan.I
would rather have a 5 speed or triptronic.I want to have some fun
while hauling stuff.That's a guy thing though.
Other than these two issue, I am quite happy with it.
As for quality, I see no reason to suspect that the quality will be any different. The Swindon plant already produces Accords and Civics for the European markets. Both of those vehicles have recently earned "most reliable" awards over there.