Isn't that the current CR-V with body colored bumpers (and door handles and side trim), larger tires, different grill and bumper treatment and the big glass roof? Is this really enough change to make someone who doesn't like the current styling, like this one? Guess so. Other than the roof, won't a paint job accomplish the same thing?
I checked the CR-Vs cargo area vs. the Accord cargo tray. My measurements are approximate, but you'll get the idea.
The Accord cargo tray is about 40"x40" (not perfectly square but close enough). The CR-Vs cargo area is only about 35" deep (I suppose it varies a bit depending on where the back seat is, but I measured from the carpet in the cargo area). The width is pretty big though, 50" at some points, but only 40" between the wheel wells. So no, the Accords tray won't fit.
I now have an issue related to carrying a bicycle. The carrier I used on my old car won't work because of the spare on the back. I haven't tried putting the bike inside like they advertise, I'd have to tie the thing down someway though. I have yet to see a roof rack with the bike attachment, and I'm not tall enough to put a bike up there anyway on a regular basis. So I didn't do my homework and one of the main things I need a vehicle for may not work with this one. Anyone carried a bicycle yet?
If I can buy the CR-V in this style. I am going to buy it right now. The only thing that holding up on my buying decision is all those dark color bumper, mirrors, etc. on the CR-V.
The RAV-4 is look better but the interior room is smaller.
That is a nice looking suv. Been reading these posts for a while to help me decide what to buy. Decided on CRV and it is ordered. Wonder when this style will be in production, if ever. I like the 2002 CRV style but this is even better. They do have some similiar features. Makes me wonder if this is coming out in the next couple of years, since Honda just changed the body on the CRV. Maybe an additional model beside the LX/EX. Would cost quite a lot more, I suspect with that glass top. Would love to see/feel what that is like driving with that top open. Funny, I had considered getting a convertible for the fun of it, but thought a suv would be more practical - now I could have both - if Honda ever makes it, that is.
Now THAT is what the SE should be. Big wheels, monotone color, and a glass roof. Plus a spare inside. Give it 200hp and keep it under $25k, please.
To make it practical, I wouldn't even care is that glass roof didn't open, or if only a portion of it did. And 16" or 17" wheels are more realistic given they use 15" now, but give it some kind of upgrade at least.
Very quick measurements, but I think they are fairly accurate. It doesn't make sense though does it. I don't have the Accord anymore so maybe someone can really measure that trunk.
What a sharp SUV. Honda is really missing the boat with all the black plastic cladding on the new CR-V. Even without the roof that is the most appealing iteration of the new V I've seen. Hopefully it is (minus the glass roof) the new SE.
I like the roof idea, but won't a glass roof make the truck tippy with all that weight up high?
Arkydog, I don't think anyone here has used shipping so you should email MR. When I asked MR 2 weeks ago they quoted me 470 from them to the shipping companies lot in Omaha, or 980 to my door.
"Sporting fat 18-inch five-spoke alloy wheels shod with 225/45 tires, unique bumpers with integrated front foglights, flared wheel arches, clear-lens taillamps with dark chrome surrounds and a twin outlet exhaust pipe, the Open Air looks fantastic."
Honda has the correct boat with an SUV with black bumpers. Just because it isn't what you want doesn't mean they missed anything. Hopefully you are correct and they will offer painted bumpers for those who really want a SUV/sedan and all the complaining will end (but it never really will, will it?).
I honestly didn't think that the CR-V would ever see the #1 spot in sales when the redesign didn't come with a V-6 option to counter the Escape and Liberty. I too thought that Honda "missed the boat." But for the past 2 months (according to autosite.com) I've been wrong.
Except for the roof, that CR-V could be "built" with a trip to a bodyshop. A number of 1st gen CR-Vers had their bumpers and trim painted body colored. I'm still considering it. I'd guess that the paint job would cost between $800-1500 depending on where you are. The spare can also be removed from the back and a same size donut (required for RT4WD) can be stashed under the cargo floor. Add bondo and paint to the hole where the tire bracket once was. The hardest part would be purchasing a JDM donut spare.
Juice- Under $25K!!! Dude, that roof alone would probably cost $2K. Add another $500 for the rims and tires, then about $1K for the upgraded leather. I'm guessing that model would go for more like $28K once you add in the cosmetics, gizmos, and dealer gouging.
Are more practical, look tougher, won't need touch-up paint, resists chipping/touch-up from other idiots opening doors into it etc. Painted bumpers may look more upscale, but will need more attention IMHO. About the open air, they might need to install a bigger a/c unit to remove the additional sun load. More weight, slower 0-60 mph. Still waiting for mine.
scname - Your remote control kit got auto shut off? That is nice. After reading you post I actually went to try my to see if it auto shuts off... no My fog light kit is nicely built and even got an aluminum housing for the light. For the money I paid for, I guess I am still happy. tomsr - I took a closer this morning. I do have some brake dust. Granted I haven't wash my for over 3 weeks. The amount of brake dust is not excessive. Like someone suggested, using different brake pads will reduce brake dust. Yeah, that "Open Air" is very nice. Not only because the bumper is painted, the new bumper and integrated fog lights makes a world of different to the look of the front end. I think 02' OEM fog light kit has more of a mini van look (hope I didn't offend someone). Black bumper and cladding are sure practical. Painted ones do look more upscale. I have had bumper painted before too and every winter I got so much stone chips(in Michigan)
Those who don't like them can just go get your RAV4 or whatever.I presently enjoy my exclusivity of mine.Plenty of power for a sane person and proper fuel economy for a wise person.I can get a bicycle or two in the back by removing the front wheel and dropping down one of the rear seats. I like the black plastic for it's practicality. If you wanted a show car what are you gonna take to the mall where the door bashers lurk.So all you naysayers stay that way so I can have the only one on the block.
I LOVE the way that baby looks!! The idea of a roof that opens up into almost a convertable at the touch of a button and then zips back closed when I say so is my idea of "wind in my hair heaven!"
Now if I could only get someone to follow me around and keep it as clean and shiney as it looks in that picture! I hate it when my car gets dirty...
I also was turned off initially by the black cladding or side molding on the 2002 CR-V. But now I love it. As was mentioned, it keeps the dings and dents off the doors, there is less painted body to worry about scratching and swirl marks and it also makes the CR-V look much more assertive and ready for action.
I wanted an SUV for its roominess, spunk and gentle psychological intimidation it affords me over vans, sedans and "other four-wheelers". My CR-V AND its BLACK CLADDING does that for me.
Right on!My neighbor has an Expedition and he seemed impressed with my Lil Red Wagon.Now that gas is going through the roof again more so I guess.When I had my green Explorer seems like it would get lost in a parking lot but that's not likely to happen cause Honda can't produce as many as FORD can.If I could change one thing on my CRV is to put 5 MPH bumpers on it but that would increase it's length and probably spoil it's looks.I almost considered a Santa Fe but went with the V cause of the room inside and confidence in HONDA.
Well i'm no car expert, so i'm just assuming its the tranny. Here's my problems: 1. Turn the ignition, step on brakes, release hand brake, shift shifter from park(P) to drive(D). As soon as I get to D, the RPM counter goes up, (from about 700rpm to about 1500rpm) and the car hesitates to move at this point. I have to wait for the RPM needle to drop back to the idle range(700rpm) before I step on the gas. This fluctuation in the RPM needle only takes about 2 seconds, but its driving me nuts, and it didn't do that before when I first got the car. My experience with other cars is when you shift from P to D, its smooth and the RPM needle barely moves, maybe from 700 to 900 if that much. I have my CRV less than a month now and about 1600 miles on it. 2. Sometimes when I step on the gas from a stop(like at a traffic light or stop sign),it would 'skip' then go. The 'skip' is hard to explain, its like a sudden 'jerk' forward, then the transmission would engage and the car would move normally. 3. Going about 40mph and taking my foot off the gas pedal, the car begins to slow down(which is normal), but I feel a bit of friction(like if i'm applying the brakes) although i'm not. Its like the car goes into a sluggish state.
Has anyone out there experienced similar problems on their new CRVs? and what was the fix? Other than these problems, I absolutely love my CRV, and I have accessorise it with the front splash guards, side steps, roof rack, wheel locks, and i'm thinking about the fog lights.
I would say #3 is normal -- it's just normal engine braking when you coast. However, I would be concerned about the other 2 conditions you described. Those certainly don't seem normal and seem like tranny problems.
I was all set to lay my $$ down on a Blue Ex when I went for a test drive in a LR FREELANDER. Not trying to open a new discussion, but does anybody have input on these two? LR is 7 grand more and I do not do off roading.LR is impreeive in ruggedness,warrantee,dealer service, but 7 grand worth? Been reading all the CR-V posts and impressed with enthsiastic owners(no brown nosing intended) Thanks
I know that the new crv's engines is controlled by a computer unit and it adjust the rpm. Have you ever turned your crv on and did you ever let it idle for at least ten minutes? If you haven't, you should try this, it may solve the fluctuation in your rpm. This will allow the computer to adjut the rpm to where it is supposed to be after the engine reached maximum temperature.
Honda reccomends that you do this after the battery is disconnected, if you don't you can experience the problem that you are having.
daveghh...I'm glad you mentioned the issue about the computer in the CR-V. That reminds me of the situation I had with my 2002 EX 4A on the 4th day I had it. I was driving to work with my bright new shiny baby and not 5 miles from home, the "Maintanence Required" light on the dash came on. I drove straight to the dealer. After they checked the car over and made sure there was nothing wrong with the car, he told me that the computer controlling everything in the car "thought" there was.
Now, being a computer programmer myself, I can understand how software can go haywire. So when the dealer explained to me that they see a lot of these kind of phantom problems when a new model is developed, it made sense to me. He told me he reset the computer and even though it might come on again, I should feel confident that there is nothing wrong with the car. He sent my diagnostic info to "headquarters" (sounds so top secret!) and when they developed a software update for my car, they would install it.
Since then, no dash lights have come on again.
However...I have had the experience of attempting to start the car and when I turn the key, nothing happens. I turn the key again and then it starts right up. It has continued to happen at least 10 times since I got the car in January. My 1999 CR-V used to do this occasionally also but not nearly as often as this. I wonder if this too is something controlled by the computer that needs adjusting?
I have not taken it into the dealer to ask them about it because the car always starts. But I'm beginning to think I should.
mpgman - Depends on what you are going to do with it. If you're going to be stuffing the car with five people and their camping gear, I'd say that the money spent on an Accord is wasted. However, if you're only going to be commuting back and forth to work, then the CR-V is overpriced. Given that scenario, you should get a Civic.
The only words I can add to your well written messages are: I agree with your opinions, own the CRV since dec 13, and the cladding does grow on you. Very little maintenance is required. I apply Lexol's Vinylex to all of the cladding and it is still "showroom fresh" although I take it off-road twice a week where it is exposed to rocks, bushes, dirt & mud.And now when I drive my EX thanks to you, I know its "assertive and ready for action" {maybe Honda will give you royalties on that catchy phrase}
Wasn't too longer ago I thought $20k for a car was ridiculous,geez you could buy a house for that.Just to go to work on dry paved roads a CRV is overkill but what choices are there if you want to be able to haul stuff away from garage sales and swap meets then run to Home Depot for gardening supplies on weekends.A CIVIC does not come in a wagon version,a Focus,Protege,Saturn, Jetta,Matrix,are all under powered.Subaru is an option but quality is not the same as Honda.I test drove the Matrix xrs with 180hp but it's lack of low end torque get's tiresome.I had a 96 Subaru Outback that was falling apart at 40K miles.The basic Jetta is only 115hp.So the answer to all this,Honda does not sell a CIVIC wagon with 160 hp because they have the CRV which is probably more profitable.
I own a Jeep Cherokee and am tired of the low mileage. I need enough power to haul around moderately heavy items, but a mini-SUV is as big as I'll get. I'm considering a Jetta (I love the mileage of the 1.9 Turbodiesel, but am scared of the smell) or a Honda CR-V (whose mileage is only fair). The thought of buying a new car that rattles and is sub-par right off the lot terrifies me. Honda and VW drivers battle all the time--convince me which is going to be a more satisfying buy for someone who will use this largely as a commuter car, but occasionally for some rougher, dirtier fun like camping or SCUBA.
I can see where the black cladding is very practical and in some ways superior to the body-colored bumpers on the Open-Air concept. My previous point about Honda "missing the boat" by not offering the body-colored bumpers isn't about wishing the new V were a sports sedan or more upscale.
It's about how the body-colored bumpers show the lines of the car better. I looked at the link previously posted and was blown away by how put together the nose of the truck looks. It's flowing and gorgeous! IMO the black cladding, while practical, interferes with the clean design lines evident on the show car.
I like the new CR-V and am considering it when I buy my next vehicle for a host of practical reasons. I've driven it, read about it and think it's a logical choice. But the show car stirs my car-geek passions! It's the best of both worlds for me.
I didn't mean to offend any owners of the 2002 - it's a great truck, rugged & handsome. I guess I should wait for the SE...
I'm in the same boat. The Jetta TDI wagon is a real lure and so is the CR-V. The Jetta's rear leg room is really tight. I figure automatic to automatic, the TDI will get about 15+ mpgs better than the Honda overall. Then again, diesel on average may cost a bit more than regular throughout the year. You can do more with the Honda cargo wise, and you can get AWD if that matters. If it doesn't, you have to settle for fewer options. Tough call.
Hi! I am considering purchasing a used '97 CRV. I've done a lot of research and I am pretty sure this is what I want. I wasn't as crazy about the Forester or Rav. Anyway, I currently have a '98 2-door Civic Hatchback that I love, but am having a baby and need something bigger. Plus I own a dog. Anyway, this CRV has high miles (140k!) but I am on a budget. It is extremely clean. The only issue is that while turning the rear near the tires make a clunking noise, like "clunk, clunk, clunk...". The dealer just got the vehicle in and they haven't investigated yet, but they say they WILL fix it. We hear the noise turning left and right. The CRV is only $7,900. I won't be putting many miles on it so I am not too worried about the high mileage. Hondas are generally great cars and go for a long time. So, I'm wondering if any of you know what this noise could be? They said something about perhaps the wrong fluid being used? I don't know what that means. Any help is greatly appreciated! Chris
Punkintoze, my brother-in-law and his wife own a 2000 CR-V. About a month ago, she noticed a loud noise when she was turning the wheels hard to either the left or right. They took it into a Honda dealer and they were told before the technician even tried out the car that it was the differential fluid. The dealer made the repair and no more noise!
We'll be driving our 2000 EX from flat ol'Miami through the Grand Canyon, over the Rocky Mountains into Glacier National Park.... all in time to catch the Calgary Stampede. Any advice or recommendations on preparing the CRV for operating efficiently at higher altitudes in the 7000- 13000 foot level.
Wow, that's quite a trip. I know the 2000 CR-V has more power than our '97 but I think you will find that you will still labour going through some of the Rocky Mountain passes. My advice would be to pack lightly!
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The Accord cargo tray is about 40"x40" (not perfectly square but close enough). The CR-Vs cargo area is only about 35" deep (I suppose it varies a bit depending on where the back seat is, but I measured from the carpet in the cargo area). The width is pretty big though, 50" at some points, but only 40" between the wheel wells. So no, the Accords tray won't fit.
I now have an issue related to carrying a bicycle. The carrier I used on my old car won't work because of the spare on the back. I haven't tried putting the bike inside like they advertise, I'd have to tie the thing down someway though. I have yet to see a roof rack with the bike attachment, and I'm not tall enough to put a bike up there anyway on a regular basis. So I didn't do my homework and one of the main things I need a vehicle for may not work with this one. Anyone carried a bicycle yet?
The RAV-4 is look better but the interior room is smaller.
HARD decision.
Been reading these posts for a while to help me decide what to buy. Decided on CRV and it is ordered. Wonder when this style will be in production, if ever. I like the 2002 CRV style but this is even better. They do have some similiar features. Makes me wonder if this is coming out in the next couple of years, since Honda just changed the body on the CRV. Maybe an additional model beside the LX/EX. Would cost quite a lot more, I suspect with that glass top. Would love to see/feel what that is like driving with that top open. Funny, I had considered getting a convertible for the fun of it, but thought a suv would be more practical - now I could have both - if Honda ever makes it, that is.
To make it practical, I wouldn't even care is that glass roof didn't open, or if only a portion of it did. And 16" or 17" wheels are more realistic given they use 15" now, but give it some kind of upgrade at least.
-juice
I like the roof idea, but won't a glass roof make the truck tippy with all that weight up high?
-jim
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/49774/page018.html
"Sporting fat 18-inch five-spoke alloy wheels shod with 225/45 tires, unique bumpers with integrated front foglights, flared wheel arches, clear-lens taillamps with dark chrome surrounds and a twin outlet exhaust pipe, the Open Air looks fantastic."
The black bumpers are OK, I just don't like that the cladding wraps around the grille. Matte black bumpers are actually very ding and scratch proof.
-juice
Juice- Under $25K!!! Dude, that roof alone would probably cost $2K. Add another $500 for the rims and tires, then about $1K for the upgraded leather. I'm guessing that model would go for more like $28K once you add in the cosmetics, gizmos, and dealer gouging.
Pilot is supposed to cost $25-30k, so I was thinking they could avoid overlap. Though I have a feeling the Pilot will actually start closer to $28k.
-juice
About the open air, they might need to install a bigger a/c unit to remove the additional sun load. More weight, slower 0-60 mph. Still waiting
tomsr - I took a closer this morning. I do have some brake dust. Granted I haven't wash my for over 3 weeks. The amount of brake dust is not excessive. Like someone suggested, using different brake pads will reduce brake dust.
Yeah, that "Open Air" is very nice. Not only because the bumper is painted, the new bumper and integrated fog lights makes a world of different to the look of the front end. I think 02' OEM fog light kit has more of a mini van look (hope I didn't offend someone).
Black bumper and cladding are sure practical. Painted ones do look more upscale. I have had bumper painted before too and every winter I got so much stone chips(in Michigan)
RAV4 or whatever.I presently enjoy my exclusivity
of mine.Plenty of power for a sane person and proper fuel economy for a wise person.I can get
a bicycle or two in the back by removing the front
wheel and dropping down one of the rear seats.
I like the black plastic for it's practicality.
If you wanted a show car what are you gonna
take to the mall where the door bashers lurk.So
all you naysayers stay that way so I can have the only one on the block.
Now if I could only get someone to follow me around and keep it as clean and shiney as it looks in that picture! I hate it when my car gets dirty...
Susan
I wanted an SUV for its roominess, spunk and gentle psychological intimidation it affords me over vans, sedans and "other four-wheelers". My CR-V AND its BLACK CLADDING does that for me.
Susan
1. Turn the ignition, step on brakes, release hand brake, shift shifter from park(P) to drive(D). As soon as I get to D, the RPM counter goes up, (from about 700rpm to about 1500rpm) and the car hesitates to move at this point. I have to wait for the RPM needle to drop back to the idle range(700rpm) before I step on the gas. This fluctuation in the RPM needle only takes about 2 seconds, but its driving me nuts, and it didn't do that before when I first got the car. My experience with other cars is when you shift from P to D, its smooth and the RPM needle barely moves, maybe from 700 to 900 if that much. I have my CRV less than a month now and about 1600 miles on it.
2. Sometimes when I step on the gas from a stop(like at a traffic light or stop sign),it would 'skip' then go. The 'skip' is hard to explain, its like a sudden 'jerk' forward, then the transmission would engage and the car would move normally.
3. Going about 40mph and taking my foot off the gas pedal, the car begins to slow down(which is normal), but I feel a bit of friction(like if i'm applying the brakes) although i'm not. Its like the car goes into a sluggish state.
Has anyone out there experienced similar problems on their new CRVs? and what was the fix? Other than these problems, I absolutely love my CRV, and I have accessorise it with the front splash guards, side steps, roof rack, wheel locks, and i'm thinking about the fog lights.
Thanks much,
Moe
http://www.vtec.net/news/items/985.html
Been reading all the CR-V posts and impressed with enthsiastic owners(no brown nosing intended)
Thanks
I know that the new crv's engines is controlled by a computer unit and it adjust the rpm. Have you ever turned your crv on and did you ever let it idle for at least ten minutes? If you haven't, you should try this, it may solve the fluctuation in your rpm. This will allow the computer to adjut the rpm to where it is supposed to be after the engine reached maximum temperature.
Honda reccomends that you do this after the battery is disconnected, if you don't you can experience the problem that you are having.
Now, being a computer programmer myself, I can understand how software can go haywire. So when the dealer explained to me that they see a lot of these kind of phantom problems when a new model is developed, it made sense to me. He told me he reset the computer and even though it might come on again, I should feel confident that there is nothing wrong with the car. He sent my diagnostic info to "headquarters" (sounds so top secret!) and when they developed a software update for my car, they would install it.
Since then, no dash lights have come on again.
However...I have had the experience of attempting to start the car and when I turn the key, nothing happens. I turn the key again and then it starts right up. It has continued to happen at least 10 times since I got the car in January. My 1999 CR-V used to do this occasionally also but not nearly as often as this. I wonder if this too is something controlled by the computer that needs adjusting?
I have not taken it into the dealer to ask them about it because the car always starts. But I'm beginning to think I should.
Susan
is overkill but what choices are there if you want to be able to haul stuff away from garage
sales and swap meets then run to Home Depot for
gardening supplies on weekends.A CIVIC does not
come in a wagon version,a Focus,Protege,Saturn,
Jetta,Matrix,are all under powered.Subaru is an option but quality is not the same as Honda.I test drove the Matrix xrs with 180hp but it's lack of low end torque get's tiresome.I had a 96
Subaru Outback that was falling apart at 40K miles.The basic Jetta is only 115hp.So the answer to all this,Honda does not sell a CIVIC wagon with 160 hp because they have the CRV which is probably more profitable.
It's about how the body-colored bumpers show the lines of the car better. I looked at the link previously posted and was blown away by how put together the nose of the truck looks. It's flowing and gorgeous! IMO the black cladding, while practical, interferes with the clean design lines evident on the show car.
I like the new CR-V and am considering it when I buy my next vehicle for a host of practical reasons. I've driven it, read about it and think it's a logical choice. But the show car stirs my car-geek passions! It's the best of both worlds for me.
I didn't mean to offend any owners of the 2002 - it's a great truck, rugged & handsome. I guess I should wait for the SE...
I am considering purchasing a used '97 CRV. I've done a lot of research and I am pretty sure this is what I want. I wasn't as crazy about the Forester or Rav. Anyway, I currently have a '98 2-door Civic Hatchback that I love, but am having a baby and need something bigger. Plus I own a dog.
Anyway, this CRV has high miles (140k!) but I am on a budget. It is extremely clean. The only issue is that while turning the rear near the tires make a clunking noise, like "clunk, clunk, clunk...". The dealer just got the vehicle in and they haven't investigated yet, but they say they WILL fix it. We hear the noise turning left and right. The CRV is only $7,900. I won't be putting many miles on it so I am not too worried about the high mileage. Hondas are generally great cars and go for a long time.
So, I'm wondering if any of you know what this noise could be? They said something about perhaps the wrong fluid being used? I don't know what that means. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Chris