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It's not awful, but noticible. So what is the concensus? Is it normal or not?
Does anybody know where to get a "trick" little spoiler for the top of the rear door? You know something like whats on the Lexus or BMW's little SUV. I think this would enhance the looks a lot.
Any suggestions?
My 02 V was definitly silky smooth for a few weeks after I brought it home. No longer. But still pretty smooth by 4 cylinder standard.
I have done quite a bit of research on the CRV and I love what I see. Although I have not had the chance to test drive one.. because I haven't found a local dealer who has any CRV's available. I would like to know the opinions of the CRV owners. I am mostly interested in the following: Should I spend the extra $$$ for the EX?, How is the stereo in the LX?, Any wind noise complaints?, Sunroof complaints?, How is the overall maintenance?
I do alot of commuter driving. I drive approx. 800 miles/week for work. I live in the Los Angeles area, so I do freeway and some mountain driving during my commute.
Other than the QUALITY problems with my Taurus, it is a very comfortable automobile, the Taurus is fully loaded with all the comforts, and a pleasure to drive. I can no longer trust the car, and FORD does not seem to be concerned with the problems I have had.
Thanks for your time. I plan to have a 2003 CRV in my driveway within the next two weeks!
AS far as deciding on LX or Ex is really up to individuals taste. If you must have all the whistles and bells, than get the Ex. I just wanted few extra features that came with the EX and i did not think it was worth spending extra 3k.
I can tint my windows at a local shop, order keyless entry, and alloy wheels at handa-accessories.com(thanks to edmund posters in here). The mild texas winter and no plan to go off roading, all wheel drive was not an must item for me. I would have loved the ABS but I can live without it. The moonroof I never cared for them.
You and I seem to be in a similar situation as I too have to drive quite a ways to work and back. I discovered Cr-V by accident. I had originally gone to purchase an accord.
I love the way it sits up high and still drives like a car. If you are looking for a suv without heavy towing capacity, off roading, or lot of cargo space, than Cr-v is perfect. Its not a perfect vehicle, but its well worth the money.
Does it go away in park or neutral?
However my husband just called me. The dealer is telling him that it is NORMAL and offered to have him drive another CRV with 900 miles in it and he said it did it also. They are keeping ours today and checking it out however. I am really dissapointed with this. I am going to go test drive a new one... see if it does this too.
To be stuck at traffic and feel like I am ratteling is really very dissapointed in an otherwise great vehicle. By the way thanks for your comments!
When you get the claybar you'll also need to pick-up some of the spray they sell to lubricate the surface. All-in-all you should be very happy with the results as the surface will end up very slick and shiny. Be sure to top it off with a high quality abrassive free wax, the 'one-step' products won't do.
Next time, find a better parking spot!
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miles on it and finance it for 4 years it will
have probably over 100K miles on it when paid for
but be worth little for resale.Just for curiosity
ask a Lexus dealer what an RX300 with 100k miles is worth for trade.I know they are not going to
keep it on their lot but wholesale it.
Yes, I know the CR-V is priced right, and some Honda defenders will claim that they don't hear road noise at all, or that we should go buy a Lexus, find better tires etc etc. But Honda has no excuses to not fix this glaring weakness that spoils the driving experience for their loyal customers.
I don't see the amount of road noise my '99 CR-V exhibits as a "glaring weakness" nor do I consider it "excessive," considering the class of vehicle.
My opinion differs from yours.
It's kinda dissapointing because the car has gone through such a major make over for 2002.
Heck, my sons '85 Accord has less tire noise! Explain that!
I'm really hoping that when I change over tires, that some noise will be eliminated. I would never trade her!
Honda must have figured that the 2002 CR-V is competing with noisy vehicles like the Escape/Tribute, so it's good enough the way it is and will sell. Of course it will sell, because it's a Honda, and a great value. That's a poor approach. In my mind, high quality also includes an absence of excessive noise.
I'm sure most customers would fork over a little more to get rid of this annoyance, instead of having to experiment with various tires etc.
As for me, I've decided to wait for the upcoming Honda Latitude because I don't care for the Toyota Matrix. Hopefully, the Latitude will be free of Honda's standard feature (extra road noise).
The first 50K wasn't too bad with Yokohamas ... but the last 50K with Sears Bridgestones (probably actually Firestones!) has been horribly harsh and noisy ....
Two hours in the CR-V I've the impression that most of the "problem" is the Bridgestone Duelers ... so why doesn't Honda fit better tires, Michelin or Yokohamas?
When the hypnotic spell wears off (like it has for me), or if a potential buyer compares the Honda with a quieter vehicle, one realizes what a nuisance this Honda road noise is. In the case of the CR-V or Civic, it's especially so on the freeway.
quiet but it's overall packaging.The closest
competitor is the Santa Fe in my humble opinion
but it is too slow.The road surface is bad out
here in the west and all cars rumble to some extent.I need a little noise to keep me awake
because a deadly combination is a super quiet car
and cruise control.It could put you to sleep after a couple of hours.If you want to hear noise go drive the VUE,now that's noise.
varmit "Vibration dampers e.g. Dynamat" Sep 5, 2001 6:31pm
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Having read the last number of articles about road noise.... Both my T-bird and Taurus had horrible road noise. I switched to Yokohama tires, and the noise was reduced greatly. One thing I noticed in driving the Los Angeles freeways is that road noise is greater when driving on concrete freeways vs. blacktop freeways.
I just can't handle all the noise from the road/tires..CRV...trust me, there is no comparison between a Honda and a Ford. Before you make a decision check the resale value of both...I think you'll see the light ....good luck on your purchase. The only other vehicle I would consider besides Honda/Acura is a Lexus.
When the hypnotic spell wears off (like it has for me), or if a potential buyer compares the Honda with a quieter vehicle, one realizes what a nuisance this Honda road noise is. In the case of the CR-V or Civic, it's especially so on the freeway.
Okay, assuming you weren't intentionally trying to be insulting, I'll point out that I'm the original owner of my '99 CR-V EX 5 spd and have had it for 3 1/2 years and 37,000 miles. And you have no idea how many other vehicles I compared it with before buying, either. (FYI - more than 2, less than 10)
I'll also point out that I didn't say it was the quietest vehicle I'd ever driven. In post #8817 what I said was that I disagreed with your characterization of the amount of road noise as either "excessive" or a "glaring weakness." (quotes are from your post #8816)
And to comment on your suggestion that it's worse on the highway, I'll point out that I've made numerous long trips at highway speeds in my CR-V...four (4) longer than 9 hours this year alone. (best highway MPG: 31.1, average highway MPG: 29+)
Could Honda have made the CR-V quieter? Of course. We agree on this point. What we don't agree on is that the noise is "excessive" or a "glaring weakness."
JM2C
Rac...
Also, closing the sunroof cover reduces the noise slightly, from what I can tell.
on an unrelated note, I took an hour trip this weekend in the CRV with 5 adults, and did notice that I had to get in to the go pedal a little under highway passing conditions, but overall, no problems or complaints. All 5 passengers were very comfortable, as they reported at the end of the trip. I had no problem keeping up with traffic, though.
ps...this is my first honda. all cars are inherently compromises of performance, space, value, comfort, etc. I don't think the CRV is perfect, but for the price, it has very few drawbacks, for what I was looking for.
rrube - you might want to check the towing rating on the CRV, others have mentioned that it might not be the best choice for significant towing.
Reality check, please. A good car is not the same thing as a perfect car.
I'm the owner of a 1999, 5 speed just like TheRacoon (though mine is silver and therefore much faster). I've got close to 67K on it. It is a loud car. No bones about it. Each time I've driven a 2002 model, I've been amazed at how much less noise there is. It's like night and day.
Comparing the CR-V (a utility vehicle) to a sedan (like the Accord) is an apples to oranges comparison. Even if they are in the same price range. Compare the CR-V with another vehicle in the small SUV class and I think you'll find that noise is a minor issue when compared with all the others problems you might be faced with.
Here are my suggestions. If the CR-V's road is too much for you, try any of the following.
Buy an Escape. The wind noise will drown out the sound of the tires. Problem solved.
Buy an Xterra. The airplane landing on the roof will certainly prove much noisier... oh wait... it's not a plane. That's just the roofrack.
Buy a RAV4. Standard equipment includes the symphonic tones of VVTLi opus 2.0L. Also known as "Chainsaw Melody".
I could go on, but I think the point should be obvious by now. About the only vehicle I can think of with a significantly quieter cabin would the Forester. And even then, the measured differences do not seem to be that great.
I have installed Dynamat in my CR-V. I did the four doors, the floor under the front seats, and up under the dash. The end result was this. I could hear the engine clear as day. Road noise was reduced, but the net result was not significant. I had to buy a hood liner for the engine compartment to take the edge off my engine buzz.
Take that and apply it to the new CR-V. Is the road noise truly excessive, or could it be that wind noise and engine noise are reduced to the point where all you are hearing is the road?
Varmint, dagnabit! I thought we'd settled this years ago at the first ANF rallye!!
My Milano Red '99 CR-V EX 5 speed is much faster than that silverish thing you drive, although I have to admit I'm a little jealous of the cool greyhounds that ride in the back of yours.
;D
I'm all for factory moonroofs, but some aftermarket ones have lots of features that are pretty cool. For instance, our ASC model, which BTW fits wonderfully in the CR-V since I saw one, has these features:
* one-touch open all the way (from any position)
* one-touch tilt all the way (from any position)
* one-touch close (from any position)
* hold any button down to open/close a certain amount
* programmable to close/not close when you remove the key (really impresses the neighbors)
The close button/programming works whether it's tilted or open. If it's tilted, you can hit the open button once and it goes down, and all the way open, still with just one touch of a button.
If the CR-V's is tilted, you have to use one button to lower it, and hold another to open it. That plus the moonroof is sort of smallish. It's probably covered by a 3 year warranty, vs. lifetime for the ASC ($895 for 17"x30" by the way).
Still, the Pilot doesn't even offer a factory one.
-juice
I am shopping for a 2002 CR-V EX Automatic in the Bay Area. If you bought one recently, I would appreciate if you could post the price and your experience with the dealer.
Thanks,
Sorry Honda users.
Freelander 69 db
CRV 70 db
Santa Fe 71 db
Escape 72 db
Rav4 72 db
So you can see it is among the quietest in it's class.I have not found a reading for Forester or VUE yet.A Mercedes Benz Coupe is a whopping 75.
Where did you find those figures??? Once upon a time autosite.com had those nu8mber published for all vehicles....
BTW every 8 decibels is like doubling the noise level to ones ears!!!
Re: Noises
I'm not sure where that data comes from, but when comparing sound levels, you should use data from the same mags only. The roads used by MT may be noisier than those used by C&D or Edmunds. FYI.
Hondas do tend to be noisier than the competition. My Acura TL is fairly quiet compared to the Accord, but not when compared with the Lexus and Infinity. The MDX is less noisey than an Explorer, Pathfinder, or Trailblazer, but not the RX300 or ML320.
The CR-V seems to be the exception to that rule. It actually falls mid-pack (or better) when compared within its class. That doesn't mean it's completely noise free, though.
1st gen Forester 70dB
1st gen CR-V 73dB
From C&D (I agree with varmint that using figures from the same publication have far more meaning).
The new CR-V is significantly more quiet than the last generation when they tested it. There is a new Forester, and it's a bit more quiet and refined too, so the bar keeps moving.
Dave: I though it was 5dB to double the level of sounds?
Brian: I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that neat feature out.
Honda likes to keep their vehicles relatively light, so that might limit the amount of sound deadening material they apply. It's a tradeoff, but you get lighter, more fuel efficient cars that also spew out few emissions. Just look at all the Super Duper Lower-Than-Low Almost Non-existent Emmisions Vehicles they have.
-juice
I traded my 98 in for a 2002 and I am very happy with the decision. I loved the visibility aspect of the 98, you sure can see more out the rear window. I have gotten used to less visibility in the 2nd generation and you can increase the visibility some by removing the center headrest if you wanted to. I don't even remove the headrest but my friend who also has a crv does and says it helps a lot.
Juice,
the doubling of sound to ones ear is subjective and I typically see figures saying 8 db will sound twice as loud to ones ear. 5 db sounds like it could be right also. I think it depends on what part of the decibel spectrum you are on.
ie. comparing 5 db to 10 db, it may sound twice as loud.
ie. comparing 100 db to 110 db may sound twice as loud.
I think the new CR-V has about average sound insulation. The engine revs a bit high and can get loud, but only when you're pushing it. If the mother-in-law is in the back seat, just keep her below 4000rpm.
-juice