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Cars, not trucks, did the heavy hauling for GM, up 29% overall, while the full-size Chevrolet Silverado pickup was down 16.6% and the big Tahoe SUV was off 46.7%.
GM wound up with a whopping 116-day supply of full-size pickups at the end of the month, down slightly from August, but out of balance with GM's 82-day supply of all vehicles (itself high, a 60-day supply at dealers and in transit is considered normal).
"General Motors had a choppy month," said Michelle Krebs, analyst at Edmunds.com. "Sales of the Chevrolet Cruze zoomed" but "Cadillac, despite have two new models on the market, is somehow struggling."
Regards,
OW
Sure looks that way over on the Odyssey forum!
And the one person I know with one had the problem. Anecdotal? Yes, but 100% of my population.
I know. I know. It's only 0.0000001% of all VCM's sold? It's like the
sludgegel that didn't really exist? grin.2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
GM's been running a much higher day supply on trucks than Ford for a while. IMO, if inventory is being ramped up to cover the change over you wouldn't see the huge incentives GM is offering on pickups. The Silverado's sales were down 16.6% in September, almost 20k units behind the f series. The Ram was only 10k units behind.
That's what happened to my dads 09 Accord V6. Around 60k miles it fouled some plugs, then the oil consumption spiked around 80k, he didn't check the oil and basically blew the engine. Honda stepped up and fixed everything for $100. Now he's really sold on Honda as the Accord is his first non-GM or Ford and he never received that kind of service from them.
As for Honda reliability, I know they're not bullet proof. But when I drive them, they have a quality that I like that is simply lacking in most other vehicles. My dad's accord is just so much better built than my wife's '11 Taurus. It feels much tighter, the powertrain is far smoother.
My brother has a '10 Fusion Sport that I really like. Actually, overall I like it better than my dad's '09 Accord. But the Fusion still doesn't feel as solid and Ford's 3.5 v6 (while reliable) is simply not in the same league in refinement.
As for Odysseys, no matter how many transmissions or engines they go through, they're still a heck of a lot better overall than any minivan from Ford or GM.
My BIL recently bought a used '07 Odyssey with like 40k miles on it. Being fully aware of some of the severe issues the van may have, he simply bought a 100k extended warranty. So he's fully covered for the period own the van. Not a big deal. If something major fails he's covered.
My BIL recently bought a used '07 Odyssey with like 40k miles on it. Being fully aware of some of the severe issues the van may have, he simply bought a 100k extended warranty. So he's fully covered for the period own the van. Not a big deal. If something major fails he's covered.
It's this kind of blanket statement and pre-conceived notion that has guys like me just constantly saying, "WTH?" Forgiving trans failure is a BIG forgive.
No it's not a surprise. GM should have never let them get so far behind. I think Ford has updated the f-150 3 times since '07 and an all new f150 will be out a year after the new GM trucks. GM better be swinging for the fences or the '14 truck will be behind again the following year.
Yes it is. But the reality is the Oddy is a great van overall. Well laid out, drives nice, performs great, gets good FE. Pimples or not, it still a far better family vehicle than a large crossover from Ford or GM.
I've owned a variety of vehicles from a variety of makes. Fact is, some of my favorites were not very reliable. One was down right lousy in terms of reliability. Still loved it and forgave it until the extended warranty ran out. Then I moved on. It was a '98 Ford SVT Contour. I loved that car, though quality was not job one.
I had to foot the bill for a trans rebuild in my Suburban at 46k miles. Honestly, if I would have liked how it performed, if it wouldn't have felt like it wasn't slapped together with parts from the lowest bidder, and if it wouldn't have continually have various problems, the trans failure wouldn't have been a big deal.
I can almost hear the person making these blanket forgivness statements saying the phrase they like to use in the ads to play on the past earlier reputation people gave Hondas:
"It's a (intake of breath) Honda," almost as though just saying the word Honda makes a chill go up their leg.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I'll provide a pat on the back if he refunds the billions and billions lost if we sell the stock right now.
Of course, that's the point, taxpayers are still on the hook for massive losses on this investment, even years later.
When will this bailout ever payoff?
And don't give me a bunch of manure about everyone being unemployed because if you can't work on autos, you can't work on anything, right?
I'm sure McDonald's would love to hire some former UAW workers; start working on my hamburger and fries!
Or perhaps they could have retrained and Apple could be manufacturing Iphones in the US instead of China; the possibilities are endless, but what was certain was that GM investment would lose money.
I see your point. I think a law should be passed requiring every politician that voted for the bailout to provide a check for $100,000 to all the politicians campaign funds that didn't vote for it, and then another check of equal amount to the US Treasury to make up for US losses on putting money in GM. I know it'll just barely make a dent, but it's a start.
You can't.
I'm certainly not saying/repeating those cars are perfect over and over, no car is.
In fact that arrogance could be one reason problems creep up - if you think a vehicle is bullet-proof you might be skipping maintenance. That's just foolish.
Every brand has its achilles heel. Some are more trouble prone that others. Others more reliable. Picking a historically reliable car will only improve your odds, but not guarantee perfection.
Every brand builds a lemon once in a while.
I like them because they get a VIN plus you have to check in every once in a while. The data is live and recent, and IMHO more reliable than a paper survey once a year that's susceptible to ballot stuffing.
Ody and Caravan actually go back and forth, both have OK years and bad years. Since 2005 the Sienna beats them both consistently, so those shopping for reliability shouldn't really even be looking at the Honda.
But you have a point, the Ody has not been consistently reliable. Even the 2011 rates a little bit below average.
My BIL just bought a used Pilot, it's over 100k miles now. Let's see how his holds up. 2008 I think.
Also, on Truedelta, an 07 Odyssey isn't any worse than an 07 Uplander (both are above average). I dont' know about you, but I know which I van I'd rather have.
It's like having a preview of future ratings by the others.
The 2011 Ody is a bit below average on TrueDelta, FWIW, other recent years seem to do OK, though.
v1.0 is a risk no matter the brand. That's the year the new model came out, and I'm sure that's not a coincidence.
Traverse is a better effort than Uplander was, just MHO. I'm helping a friend shop for one of those now.
Personally I don't agree with their results, but they are what they are.
Which one sells better? Ford Super Duties outsell GM HD trucks nearly 2 to 1.
Okay, so the Silverado was quicker. Few care about that (the Ford isn't slow), it's the lightest truck of the group which presents other issues like.
It was, however, the only truck to exhibit any untoward bucking movements from the trailer’s inertia.
Yeah, that's what I want in a truck I'd buy for towing. Shimming and shaking down the road. That stuff causes driver fatigue on long tows.
“This would be a cheap interior in a $30,000 truck,” noted one test driver. Compared with the others’ opulent fittings, the Silverado was a dismal place to sit: an expanse of chintzy, dark plastic; the least comfortable front seats; and the tightest rear quarters.
That would stop me right there.
Yeah, that's what I want in a $60k vehicle. Okay, the Silverado is easier to park and is a bit quicker. Basically it's truck to use if you don't need a 3/4 ton truck or you don't have to sit in it much. It was cheaper than a King Ranch. No kidding, if Ford would have sent a Lariat the pricing would have been more inline. (Granted GM probably is placing a lot more money on the hood, but maybe not on the HD trucks).
The only area the Ford was disappointing was in excessively long stopping distances.
Oh by far, but it's still not a minivan. No doubt it's competitive against the likes of a Pilot and Explorer etc.
Though if you look at true delta the Pilot consistently is rated as more reliable than the Traverse, some years the Traverse is far worse.
I know some people think that's a big deal. But I never have and never will pick a vehicle based on the warranty. I have to like the vehicle first.
It's been my experience that once the 36k bumper to bumper expires repair costs are possible. None of the problems I've had with my Expedition between 36k to 100k miles were covered by Ford's 60k powertrain warranty and neither would GM's 100k warranty.
I dropped $1,000 at the Ford dealer at 59k for ignition issues that weren't covered by the 60k powertrain warranty.
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121005/OEM04/121009926/niss- an-plans-leaf-ev-with-budget-trim-level-to-spur-sales&cciid=email-autonews-blast-
Of course I have 2 cars and they split my mileage, so I'm atypical.
I guess the fine print on warranty is big enough to drive an engine through. How's the powertrain going to work without ignition?
Because I guess it's not listed under
Your vehicle’s Powertrain components are covered for five years or
60,000 miles, whichever occurs first. The extended coverage applies to
the Engine: all internal lubricated parts, cylinder block, cylinder heads,
electrical fuel pump, electronic engine control unit, engine mounts,
flywheel, injection pump, manifold (exhaust and intake), manifold bolts,
oil pan, oil pump, seals and gaskets, thermostat, thermostat housing,
timing chain cover, timing chain (gears or belt),
turbocharger/supercharger unit, valve covers, water pump;
Most people don't. I do because my Expedition is the primary family hauling trip taking vehicle, so it rarely sits still.
My old Dodge Intrepid had a 3/36K bumper to bumper warranty, but nothing extra for powertrain. In my naivety, I bought an extended warranty that took it out to 5 years/100K miles.
The only warranty repair that car ever needed came around 35,000 miles, when the power lock actuator in the driver's door started acting up.
Oh, I did have one repair that the extended warranty would have covered. Around 51,000 miles the thermostat housing had to be replaced because it had a slow leak. My local mechanic charged me $210 to do it. The deductible on that warranty was $200.
Yikes, that's 1.4 million recalls this week. :surprise:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/05/2014-mazda6-first-drive-review/
189hp would be fun ... in the lighter Mazda3.
Or stuff the 2.0l SkyActiv in the Miata, or the SkyActiv D diesel.
Mazda has to build those in Japan and ship them over, what's that gonna cost? I don't see how that model will be a sales success.
Malibu needs to worry about Fusion/Accord/Altima, not this.
If you'll read the entire article, you notice...the Mazda3 isn't lighter. At least not by much. This Mazda6 will be 2997 lbs. The Mazda3 s Grand Touring (the one with the 2.5L), on the other hand...3104 lbs. :shades:
The 3 needs a diet, too, and surely will get one.
Here's Inside Line's take:
http://www.insideline.com/mazda/6/2014/2014-mazda-6-first-drive.html
Will we ever see anything but crossovers, though?
Probably not. There was a great article on another automotive website that explained why, due to CAFE regulations, small pickups and wagons weren't going to be a major part of any automaker's offerings going forward.
Remember, the PT Cruiser was classified as a truck for CAFE.
The new CAFE rules are also dumb, the graduated scale give bigger cars a break, that's all they'll sell!
PS Rough week for Honda, not 03-04 Pilot and Ody are being investigated for rollaways per AN.
My thoughts exactly. Hardly anything to get excited about. Now if there was a new and improved turbo RX-7.....
Has to be someone somewhere plotting one. :shades:
An ex-UAW worker may make you a hamburger, but you'd better keep your automotive opinions to yourself lest you get an unpleasant surprise. Oh, and make sure you park your import out of sight of the workers!
This whole financial situation reminds me of that magic trick where you have a ball under a cup and the cups are continually rearranged so you can't figure out which cup has the ball. Only in this case the money is continuously rearranged and the reality is there is much less money actually in existence than everybody actually thinks they have. It's not going to end well at the end of the trick.
Only a mother would know.
Seriously, highest inventory in the industry means GM hasn't really changed all that much from before their failure. Mothers know best!
You missed the part where ALL their inventory was high I assume.
Regards,
OW
Would you really cross-shop these two? Doesn't the Traverse have almost twice the cargo capacity, cubic feet wise? Or at least, much, much more?
Personally, I don't particularly care for the Pilot. I know a few people are with their Pilots, but I don't see myself in one. I was commenting on reliability results, not desirability.
If I wanted a cross-over SUV (which I don't) I probably would cross shop them. I can't get over the generic looks of the Traverse. I'd have to go with the GMC If I wanted a lambda.
As for room, the Pilot is certainly has less room overall. I think the Lambda are probably the biggest cross overs available, but that doesn't mean they are the best. The Traverse is 205" long, that's only an inch and a 1/2 shorter than my Expedition and 15" longer than a Pilot.
Personally, I like the Durango. Available Hemi power, good looks, and rwd/awd. I also really like the Grand Cherokee.