Toyota 4Runner

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  • rward99rward99 Member Posts: 185
    Yes austin18 and jkulp42757, and cliffy. It was last night and I guess I was tired. I must have been confused from the research. :-)

    For the record. The redesigned 2003 4Runner is coming THIS FALL, 2002.

    If you see it before then I was lied to by a whole bunch of very high up executives.
  • rljslickrljslick Member Posts: 59
    Thanks Peter for that info, my wife and I was wondering the same thing when I was looking for my Runner. Hard to believe that the Runner costing $6,000-$10,000 more then the Rav would have better sales!
    My Stellar Blue Pearl Sport should come in by the end of the month! Very excited!
    Peter you know what's odd, is that here in the Midwest there wasn't one Blue Sport 4 Runner around, but there was a few in California. I would love to know how car companies decide which color auto sales better in which region of the country.
  • ochsskochssk Member Posts: 52
    If the new 4Runner is a rebadged LX470 it looks like we'll be losing almost 2 inches of ground clearance and I bet the approach and departure angles will be less too.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    It will be a "rebadged" GX 470, not to be confused with the LX470 which is a Land Cruiser.
  • austin18austin18 Member Posts: 11
    I went to a Toyota Dealer today..lured in by the unbelievable price for a 2002 4 Runner in a newspaper ad. Basically, they were all $2000 under invoice. The sales rep and the manager both told me that they just wanted to get rid of them as the 2003's were arriving in March. I know that it doesn't make much sense, especially given what I have read here. But could this scenario be possible?
  • dbeck2dbeck2 Member Posts: 4
    After months of research I had my mind made up on the Highlander. That was until I found out about the troubled 3.0L engines. Now that I'm looking at 4 runners, my spouse is trying to talk me out of the 4 runner because I drive 75-100 miles per day. His reasoning is that SUV's aren't meant for that kind of high mileage, and that I'd be better off with something like an Outback. I am also concerned with comfort (who isn't) considering the amount of time I spend in the car per day.

    Any comments on the mileage or comfort issue would be greatly appreciated.
  • hong99hong99 Member Posts: 2
    How can the 2003 4runner be the "rebadged" lexus gx470. The gx470 is the toyota sequoia.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The Lexus GX 470 is not a a rebadged Sequoia. The RX470 has a wheelbase of around 109" and the Sequoia's wheelbase is around 117" or so.

    Bob
  • hong99hong99 Member Posts: 2
    What are you taking about? The RX470 is basically the land cruiser. The GX470 is basically a redesigned sequoia. That is why the wheelbase is different.
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    rsholland is correct. The GX470 is not a rebadged Sequoia. It is supposed to be the same platform as the 4Runner. It is about the size of the new Explorer. And the RX470 is better known as the LX470. :) I think rsholland had a typo on the RX470 comment.
  • gregs4x4runnergregs4x4runner Member Posts: 3
    Hello fellow 4-Runner drivers. Lots of good info in this group. I have a '99 4-Runner 4x4 and it's definitely the best vehicle I've ever owned. Even though I have the infamous gas guage problem. I need to take it back in to get the TSB done to it. When I first brought it in they had no idea how to fix it (lots of things replaced, still not right)
    I take mine offroad any chance I get and boy does it climb like a mountain goat. The rear locking diff has gotten me out of some pretty hairy situations too.
  • gregs4x4runnergregs4x4runner Member Posts: 3
    I hope you guys are wrong agout the new look of the upcoming '03 Runner. I looked at several sites that had pics of the GX470 and I really hope we don't go there. For one thing, it has a solid rear window built into the rear hatch with the wiper mounted on the window. I thought rear retracting windows were one of the cool things all the other SUVs wish they had. I love opening all 6 windows on a nice day in my '99. Those running boards on the GX470 look pretty darn low. I know plenty trails that would rip those off. And the rear departure angle looks terrible. So much for the color coded paint job on the bumpers. Seems to be more suited to soccer practice. If this is the look of things to come I guess I'll be driving the wheels off my '99. :)
  • rljslickrljslick Member Posts: 59
    Welcome to the board gregs4x4runner, this is great site to find the lastest news and info about the 4Runner. If you can't find what you looking for here, try another great Toyota board: www.outdoorwire.com click on the toyota forum button.
  • ochsskochssk Member Posts: 52
    Sorry for the confusion. When I saw the message about the GX470, I went to the lexus website but only saw information about the LX470 and thinking it was an existing model, I thought there was a misprint. Searching for the GX470 in the toyota website yielded some info on the upcoming model. Now it makes sense that the new 4Runner will be based on the GX470. Looks like the price may be going up too if the Lexus prices are any indication!
  • javayankeejavayankee Member Posts: 3
    Well, I drive between 80 - 110 miles per day. I had my 2001 4Runner SR5 4x4 for about 4 months now and have about 12K miles on it. So far it's been running great, and for a truck, the mileage is pretty good, about 19.5 - 19.8 mpg.
    On a nice day, even on cold days, it's a blast driving with the sunroof, windows & the rear-liftgate window open.

    You just have to keep in mind that it's a truck, so obviously it won't stick to the road like a car, but I found the handling to be very good.
    You have to take it easy on curves & stuff, but it's very steady & you'll feel comfortable crusing on the highways.

    I actually rented a 4Runner for about 2 weeks to get a feel for it, and if you can, you should also.

    Basically, it is a truck, so cars like highlander or an outback will give you more car-like handling, but from my experience(& friends) so far, you can't go wrong with a 4Runner.
  • hikeonhikeon Member Posts: 2
    Well, I took my 2001 4Runner in and told the service department about the noise in the headliner, and now, noise in the dash (see previous messages about clicking). The service department was not about to take out the headliner. They told me that all of this rattling and clicking I was hearing was normal. (I find it very hard to believe that Toyota is producing a product that starts rattling so much after one year of driving.)

    By the way, some of the clicking up front seems to be coming from the plastic wire wrap on the seatbelt sensor under the front seat. Other clicking has started only after I had spent a fair amount of time in 4x4 mode this winter while in the snow.

    As for the headliner noise, I ended up pounding a few times on the headliner, just at the back of the sunroof area and this has seems to have jamb the rattling piece back into submission, and I haven't heard much noise since.

    If anybody has any other suggestions/comments, please let me know...

    Thanks...
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    it's a typo.

    << I think rsholland had a typo on the RX470 comment. >>

    Should have been GX470.

    Bob
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    We just got the build matrix for February and there are 707 Runners coming to the Central Atlantic Region. These are all 2002 models and will hit the showrooms in late Feb to March. No sign of 2003s.

    I have a new working theory as to why some dealers think the 2003 will be out in March. It is very possible that production of the 2002's will stop in March. This does not mean that production will begin immediately thereafter. It may be that some dealers are making assumptions based on this.

    This is only a theory, because I have not heard that production will stop, but it would make sense.
  • p_g_00p_g_00 Member Posts: 34
    Could anybody who recently bought a 4Runner share some price info? $2000 under invoice sounds really good...

    #1105 of 1118 2002 or 2003 .....Do the Dealers Know Something? by austin18 Jan 26, 2002 (03:17 pm)
    I went to a Toyota Dealer today..lured in by the unbelievable price for a 2002 4 Runner in a newspaper ad. Basically, they were all $2000 under invoice.
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Unbelievably good. Maybe a loss leader ad, watch the back end.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Read the fine print. That figure includes the $1000 rebate and I garuntee they add freight back in and probably a processing fee. Yes, I know freight is already in the invoice, but this is a legal bump in many states. That doesn't mean it isn't a great deal, but it isn't quite what you think.
  • p_g_00p_g_00 Member Posts: 34
    So, Cliffy, what's a "resonable" out door price for 2002 SR5 right now? a couple of hundreds over edmunds' invoice? I am always confused with the ads fee, etc. What's freight? When I am buying a 30K car, I dont think 200 matters, but I dont want to be fooled and give up too much, like, the 2nd when I meet a friend, "how much did you pay for your new truck, P?" "..." "man, I know a friend paid 1K less." "!#@$!@#!" :)
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Someone claiming to have paid $1000 less. The rebate varies by region, I'm working on one for a customer today where the rebate is quoted at $1500. The low bid from the dealers is $700 over invoice, doc fee included. That's fair for his region.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Raybear is right on. $700 over the Edmunds invoice translates into about $200 to $400 over actual invoice because of the ad fees that the dealer is charged. This is a very good deal and then you can choose the rebate of $1000 or select the discounted financing.
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    My deal was $700 over the actual invoice, not Edmunds. But it's a 4WD in Colorado and includes the doc fee, the competition is offering doc fees in the $300 range, plus they're more expensive. Rebate there is $1500. I hope my guy decides to accept it, it's not the exact car he requested.
  • gregs4x4runnergregs4x4runner Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the info rljslick. I haven't been able to log onto www.outdoorwire.com yet. I think their site must be temporarily down.

    I was hauling a load of tall bookcases home this afternoon from IKEA that was too long to fit in my '99 with the liftgate shut. I don't know if all 4-Runners are capable of this, but anytime I carry a long load like that I leave the liftgate wide open. Even at highway speeds of 75+ it does not budge. The shocks raise it rather slowly but when fully extended they are very strong. It takes a pretty good push to shut it. However its a good idea to secure your load with the tie-down rings near the back end of the carpet in the cargo area.
  • llslicellslice Member Posts: 15
    Thanks for the update.I still haven't had the chance to take
    mine in for
    the headliner rattle.Mine is very intermitten.I won't hear it
    for
    days,then I'll whip a turn and it'll return.With my luck I'll
    bring it
    in and it won't make a sound.Sounds like a bunch of lazy people on shift at
    the
    dealership you took it to.It's funny with a full load I don't
    hear a
    peep.I usually contain the noise by opening and closing the
    moonroof.
  • rljslickrljslick Member Posts: 59
    Yeah outdoorwire.com is down for a few days.
    That's good to know about the tailgate, I'm planning to do that a lot :)
  • p_g_00p_g_00 Member Posts: 34
    Thanks to both of you.
  • sporthoerunnersporthoerunner Member Posts: 1
    Well guys, I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I couldn't tell you what the new 4-Runner is going to look like. The good news is that it will not look like the GX470. I was at the NADA Convention over the weekend and spoke with the Lexus and Toyota reps. Both reps said that the 4-Runner and the GX470 are not the same vehicle ala ES300/Camry or Highlander/RX300. Both vehicles will be independant new vehicles based on no other Toyota SUV, but the GX470 will be much more Seqoia then 4-Runner.
  • robsterrobster Member Posts: 12
    Thanks for the info, seems a little unusual that Toyota/Lexus would put out two brand new platforms and not try to leverage off of each other. I've seen all the chatter about the new 4Runner and have been debating with myself on whether to go for an '02 or wait for the '03. I'm trying to weigh risk of the potential problems that could be expected in a 1st model year run of an '03 against the track record of the '02 and the likely price discounts as Toyota tries to move the '02s to make room for the new model. Any opinions, suggestions or insider info. from those of you reading would be appreciated. Thanks
  • leodogsleodogs Member Posts: 23
    I'm in the same predicament as others, waiting with bated breath for reliable information on the 2003. My deciding factor to keep the faith would be no change in the automatic tailgate window, the best selling point for dog lovers like myself. Who out there really knows?
  • kennywaynekennywayne Member Posts: 13
    Can anyone tell me where I can buy Toyota After market Products? I just recently bought a 2000 4Runner manual transmission, and I am looking to get some running boards. I checked with a couple of local dealerships and they are charging $700.00 for them w/o installation or tax. If you know of a web site or phone number that carry them along with other accessories, I would appreciate it. Thanks
  • buzzlightbuzzlight Member Posts: 44
    As I predicted, the next generation 4 Runner will not be based on the Lexus. The 2003 4 Runner WILL be release in March, as I have previously posted.
  • mymaximamymaxima Member Posts: 8
    I'm looking to buy a '99 4Runner SR5 4x4 with V6. It currently has close to 91k miles. I'm going to use it for my 2nd car, mostly commute, and planning to keep quite a while (5-6 years). Would it be a good buy? Is there anything that I need to be aware of the model year? Any comments will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.
  • woody72woody72 Member Posts: 73
    try performanceproducts.com
  • peter78peter78 Member Posts: 284
    When I bought my 4Runner, I tried to live without running boards. I am quite tall, but my wife and 10 year old son demanded the running boards. I was like you and found the dealers quite high. I called up the same place that gave me parts for my Honda at good prices. It was a Honda dealership in Mechanicsville, VA. They have a Toyota dealership too. They have a web site, but it is not very good. The phone number for the Toyota dealership is 1-800-338-5538 or 804-559-8717. The price was $169 for black running boards and $76 the end caps. I also got a dozen filters, ($3.50) apiece and some other stuff and they charged $20 shipping.

         They told me it would take 3 hours, I am really slow and sure enough 2 hours for the first side but only 45 minutes for the other, so even if your slow like me, it took about 3 hours. In order to put the running boards on, you will have to drill 2 (1/4") holes in the car. That is something that is hard to do, put holes in your new car. :)

         Their may be better deals out there, but at least this may give you a basis on pricing.


    http://www.pageauto.com/startup.htm

  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    A March release will be a pretty good trick, considering that we are getting large supplies of 2002's allocated now that will be here in March.
  • kjack100kjack100 Member Posts: 133
    Cliffy, that is very interesting about the monthly build matrix you receive for your region.
    Please keep us advised if you are able.

    What is the track record for Toyota releasing body redesigns directly to dealers without going through a "car show" debut? Thanks for any input.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Actually, the "car show" debut is not normal for Toyota, unless the new model will not conflict with an existing model. I'll give you a couple of examples:

    The Tundra was shown extensively at auto shows months prior to its release. This truck didn't distract from T100 sales because Toyota had stopped shipments of those months before phase out.

    The 2003 Corolla got limited exposure at auto shows in late December because they had stopped production of the 2002 in November and dealers were nearly out of 2002s.

    The 2002 Camry saw no auto shows at all. Only a few spy photos on Japanese language site were available until only 2 weeks before its release.

    The '96 Runner arrived with virtually no fan fare until a month after release. This gave us time to rid ourselves of previous models.

    The point of this is that Toyota doesn't want to hurt our current sales by giving too many details of upcoming models. Toyota has also been good about not flooding us with "old" product prior to release of new models. The only exception I can think of to this was the introduction of the Tacoma. We got a ton of "old style" trucks right before the Tacoma came out. The Tacoma was much more expensive though and the old truck gave us a way to ease through the transition. If the new one was too much for the customer, we could offer the old model.

    This last example actually scares me a bit. If Buzz is correct about the March delivery, it means the new one will be much more expensive than the current model. This would not fit with current trends which is why I have serious doubts about his information. I'm still banking on an October release with the 2002's dropping off in deliveries over the next few months.
  • rljslickrljslick Member Posts: 59
    Hey guys, my new 4 Runner is finally here, I picked it up last night after a month wait. You can see it on my web page at: http://community.webshots.com/user/rljslick


    I will have more pictures up when the weather is better! :)

  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Very nice. I've never seen on in blue like that. If you waited so long, you know that Toyota doesn't build a lot in that color.
  • rljslickrljslick Member Posts: 59
    I swear Cliff in the sun the damn thing is purple! ;)
  • buzzlightbuzzlight Member Posts: 44
    Watch the 2003 4 Runners trickle in next month.
  • kjack100kjack100 Member Posts: 133
    It's going to be a Cliffy - Buzzlight showdown. :)

    It's all in fun anyway.


    I've done a little research and wanted to share it. Here are the wheelbase/length numbers for the following vehicles.


    2002 4Runner 105.3/183.3

    2002 LandCruiser Prado 105.3/187.8

    2003 Lexus GX470 109.8/188.2

    2003 Sequoia 118.1/203.9


    The LandCruiser Prado is 2002 redesign and is sold in far eastern markets. The picture is surprisingly similar to the announced GX470 coming out next January. Here's a link to a picture of one(click on refresh to enlarge the picture):


    http://www.autoweb.com.au/id_TOYLANPRKZ30ALZ/newcars.html?src=specials


    The glass is nearly identical to the GX470. By the way, the wheelbase/length numbers lay to rest any thoughts that the GX470 is based on the Sequoia platform. The only thing that throws a wrench into the GX470 and LandCruiser Prado sharing the same platform is that wheelbase difference.


    As it relates to 2003 4Runner, I'm betting(guessing) that the 4Runner will have the exact same specs as the GX470 and will look more like the Prado.

  • meemo92meemo92 Member Posts: 2
    "#283 of 1145 AKG by cliffy1 Mar 19, 2001 (02:30 pm)
    I haven't been ignoring your questions but I don't have anything on the 2002. All I know is that my District Manager told me it will be restyled and will not be out until February of 2002. That is later than normal for a new model introduction but they did the same thing in '96. If I get further details, I'll post them."

    I hope cliffy was right a year ago about an new model in Feb. 2002????????
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Wow. You've spent a lot of time reading back to find that one. I always post information when I get it and when I learn old information may not be accurate, I try to correct it as soon as possible. This same district manager is the one who now tells me "fall 2002".
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    the LC Prado is sold in the UK as the LC Colorado.

    Bob
  • buzzlightbuzzlight Member Posts: 44
    Cliffy, it appears that your district manager continuously gives you wrong information. Maybe, he just wants you to get out there and sell more cars (current stock). Anyway, my sources are more credible and have verified the 2003 4 Runner release in late March.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    taking any bets: Cliffy vs Buzz? What are the odds?

    Bob
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