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The one difference I notice compared to how it used to "work" for me and how it works for you is that when using the steering wheel controls before the fix, it would go to the next song randomly and the random feature would turn off. Basically, I was getting one song at random. That's a little different than you in which it appears that you don't get any songs at random when using the steering wheel controls.
I have a little bit of an in with the manager for the unit manufacturer. If you can confirm the issue with USB drives and the random function not working right, let me know and I'll advise them.
- Merg
While I am mentioning random function "glitches" with USB...
On a similar note, I have a issue as well with the folder random option. With a USB drive you can hit random once for full random and then random once more for random within the same folder function. The problem is that since I can not change the song while in regular random there is no way to place random within a folder on a specific folder I want. You would likely have to wait until you got to a song in the folder you wanted and then hit the random button to get the folder option, but I think that further complicating it is the fact that every hit of random (to turn on regular random or folder random) actually switches it to a new random song most likely in another folder. So...it seems that with USB there is no way to use the folder random function unless you are just lucky.
One final thing I have taken note of is that most times that I initiate a new random, it seems to start on the same song. I can basically turn random on and off over and over on the unit and it chooses the same "random" song to start with a great deal. (like almost every other time) This seems like some flawed logic for the random function that they are using. Maybe in the way they are generating the random seed.
But, I paid for voice recognition and it doesn't seem like I'm getting it to its fullest capability. I'm wondering if I need a new nav unit as well? I really don't want to take the time to drop my car off at the dealership and use a loaner car just for this issue, so I'll probably just deal with it since I have no other problems with the nav system. But it is frustrating, and you're not the only one with the issue!
I am bringing it in Tuesday
I'm just about to get a 09 sonata and i'm really undecided on the nav system. I am a fan of the class of the product (I have a tomtom window mounted to my current car). I have two concerns and I'd like the opinion of folks that have them:
1) How does it compare feature wise / speed / accuracy/ etc of the 3rd party ones. (If anyone has any experience specifically agianst the tomtom).
2) Do you think its worth the price, are you glad you got it? I know the 3rd party ones are much cheaper - is the integration worth it to you?
3) Since all the radio controls become 'owned' by the touch screen, and you actually lose your buttons is it distracting? I would assume when there is tactile feedback of buttons, you dont have to look, if it's a touchscreen you constantly have to look to change stations/etc... do you find that distracting and/or a safety feature?
Thanks - Brian
Speed is very good. screen resolution is excellent. DVD playback is kinda goofy, but still kind of cool.
Bottom line is that you can get a brand new v6 limited w/nav for $23k... how could you go wromg?
But thats just my opinion
1) I'm surprised to hear you say its better the honda (i've basically made my decision down to the accord and sonata). But when I was playing with the honda their NAV seemed alot more featureful: Granted I didn't really drive anywhere using either, just sat in them and played but things I noticed which I'd love your comments on:
1) The accord is a much bigger screen, of course its not touchscreen, but the wheel thing seems pretty easy to use also.
2) The accord seemed to be more featureful, with zagat ratings, big nice trip screen, and bluetooth integration are much nicer.
3) Granted, the audio on the sonata is nicer w/ the usb/ipod integration.... but for whatever reason my ipod wouldn't work in the model i tested it on (Dont know why, neither did the salesman) so i'm not sure how useful that would be anyway. I could use audio input jacks on both - which makes it equal. Finally, I think i'd be fairly addicted to xm anyway and not use either
4) The accords just generally seemed more impressive, but maybe it was because i'm a technophile and all those buttons seemed 'fun' to me.
5) The sonata having all radio controls in the touchscreen if you get the nav, seems very distracting to me as tactile feedback of buttons would be needed to avoid taking your eyes of hte road.
Lastly, I was more interested in the v4 then the v6 for gas mileage reasons. If the v6 w/nav is going for 23K ... how much are the v4s?
I know going into this the sonata woudl be the better deal but I'd still be interested in your opinion on the above points.
Seems like you have both cars that i'm looking at so your opinion is greatly appreciated! Thanks a bunch for the conversation!
brian
I have not had to depend on it yet to get me somewhere like i have with the honda... so my statements may not be totally fair.
I listen to XM 99.9% of the time so ipod integration is not super important to me. But I am a tech junkie, so the true integration with the ipod and even just a usb stick with mp3's on it was cool to me. As well as the DVD playback, Although the quality of the sound is not particularly great... but still decent. If you do want to use your ipod with the sonata get the hyundai cable. Seems to work more reliably than a regular usb cable.
I had intended to buy the 4 cyl sonata...unitl I drove it. I found the 4 cyl incredibly weak. Pretty much undrivable. If they offer a manual tranny in the limited, I might have considered it. Score one for the Accord, you can get a manual in the higher models. When I was shopping the 4 cyl was about $1K less than the V6. I doubt you would get much better mpg either as I found normal acceration require you to jut about floor it.
If money was no concern... i would go with the accord. As much as i like the sonata, i still feel the accord is a better car overall. Its better looking, still better quality for now, probably better resale... but still not worth the money.... an accord equivalent to my V6 limited with nav would be about $8K more than I paid.
I hope this helped... i know i kind of rambled.
Regardless, I am thinking the accord is bit more polished of a car, but in looking at prices, I am also guessing it will be much more expensive, and I'm not sure its that much nicer. It's funny the honda dealer was giving me this speech about how good honda is doing over other car companies. I said they are having their worst qrtr in quite some time if not ever too. He tried to bs me on that one, but I think he was just setting me up that they dont have to deal like the other companies do. Fine with me if they don't want to deal --- there are plenty of good alternatives
Anyway interesting point you made about the V6 not really having worse gas mileage. I'll keep that in mind.
Thanks for the discussion.
brian
If you want to spend some more coin get an Acura TL or Infiniti G35. I have owned both and are wonderfull cars. I just can't afford that class of car since the twins were born.
However I would buy either of those before I bought the accord. A loaded Accord is very close in price to a TL.
I am a little put off by the price of the accord, but we all agree about it being the better car. I suppose I could always look at non nav versions to save some money - I recognize its probably a waste of money, but I'm just an addimated technophile and I know I'll be dissapointed if I dont get one. I have a tomtom but the indash ones just seem so nice with the bigger displays. One thing I really dont like though is the nav dvd player in the trunk, just hanging there. Makes me worry if I actually try to load up the trunk I'm likely to bang that player and cause some damage.
I know the mature side of me is saying get an accord wo/ nav and you'll do just fine. The sonata's are just such good deals right now , fully loaded, its hard to walk away .
So offtopic, what g35 did you have, and why did you get rid of it? I bought the original 2003 model. Probably got screwed because the car had only been out a month when i bought it - but damn is it a fun drive. I have ~ 65K miles on mine (its about 6 yrs old now) and have no inclination to get rid of it anytime soon. Though I am dissapointed in my average gas mileage - but hey thats probably because i can't stop driving it to hard
Cheers, -brian
I only got my Sonata a month ago. I traded my 05 FX35 for it... again to save money and gas.
If you drive a G35 and drive it hard, dont even think about the 4cyl accord or sonata. Even the v6 will disappoint you. The g35 is an animal. I don't know of any v6 that has more punch that the nissan/infinti VQ. Yes its very thirsty for premium. I never got better than 15 mpg in my FX and 18 in the G.
If you are willing to lease there is a pretty good price on the G right now.
But the bottom line after all this... I bought an v6 soanata with nav... I dont think you could get more car for $23k.
Anyway i havent really even started to negotiate with the guy yet, but are you talking OTD of 23K for your v6 w/ nav, or before taxes & fess, etc....
I think 23K OTD for a v6 w/ nav would be too good a deal to pass up when the accord dealer is quoting me OTD 28K for a v4 w/ nav.
I'm surprised in this market that they are even starting off that high. I know you gotta play the game, but i thought they'd start off much lower given we dont need to buy a car - and they are all getting crushed right now.
thx,
brian
I paid $23k for a V6 limited w/nav. plus sales tax.
I was being offered the 4 cyl with nav for $21.7k.
Yes the accord is nicer as in the G and TL.... but you just can't get more for the money the the Sonata.... which is why I have one.
I am getting just of 20 mpg. I drive about 70/30 city/hwy.
I don't think that Hyundai is starting that high...the sticker on my car was $28.6 he said $24k I paid $23k....Maybe i could have done a little better... but i am happy.
There are better and cheaper aftermarket units.
- Merg
QWERTY Keyboard
Initially Reported: 09/2008
When setting the keyboard layout to be in QWERTY mode, the keyboard layout reverts to Alphabet mode after changing the System mode (switching components) or when turning the Nav System off and on. The default settings menu will still show the layout selection to be in QWERTY mode even though it displays the keyboard in Alphabet mode.
iPod Random Issue
Initially Reported: 10/2008
When selecting the iPod to play at Random, the feature is turned off if a different mode is selected, the audio system is turned off and on, or the Tuning dial on the radio is used to select a new song. The Random selection should be maintained during any of these changes.
Address Book Sorting Incorrect
Initially Reported: 10/2008
When sorting the Address Book alphabetically and not by date, new addresses are incorrectly sorted when added. New addresses are added to the end of an addressbook instead of alphabetically. To correct the issue, you have to go into the settings and reselect alphabetically.
System Hang
Initially Reported: 10/2008
Had an issue where the Hyundai logo stayed on screen and nothing could clear it. I tried to turning off and on the car and the same thing happened. I hit the Display button and the display settings screen came on. When I hit another button to try to get the iPod screen, I got a Windows pop-up on the screen that told me I had a fatal application error. I selected OK and the system rebooted and started working fine.
iPod Not Turning Off
Initially Reported: 09/2008
When turning off the car, my iPod is not turning off on its own. According to the developer it is supposed to. Also, I found that if I manually turn it off while leaving it connected, it sometimes turns back on a few minutes later even though the vehicle is off. I am unsure if somehow it is receiving power when the car door is opened or not, but something is triggering it to turn back on.
- Merg
- Merg
Initially Reported: 09/2008
When setting the keyboard layout to be in QWERTY mode, the keyboard layout reverts to Alphabet mode after changing the System mode (switching components) or when turning the Nav System off and on. The default settings menu will still show the layout selection to be in QWERTY mode even though it displays the keyboard in Alphabet mode.
2. iPod Random Issue
Initially Reported: 10/2008
When selecting the iPod to play at Random, the feature is turned off if a different mode is selected, the audio system is turned off and on, or the Tuning dial on the radio is used to select a new song. The Random selection should be maintained during any of these changes.
3. Address Book Sorting Incorrect
Initially Reported: 10/2008
When sorting the Address Book alphabetically and not by date, new addresses are incorrectly sorted when added. New addresses are added to the end of an addressbook instead of alphabetically. To correct the issue, you have to go into the settings and reselect alphabetically.
4. System Hang
Initially Reported: 10/2008
Had an issue where the Hyundai logo stayed on screen and nothing could clear it. I tried to turning off and on the car and the same thing happened. I hit the Display button and the display settings screen came on. When I hit another button to try to get the iPod screen, I got a Windows pop-up on the screen that told me I had a fatal application error. I selected OK and the system rebooted and started working fine.
5. iPod Not Turning Off
Initially Reported: 09/2008
When turning off the car, my iPod is not turning off on its own. According to the developer it is supposed to. Also, I found that if I manually turn it off while leaving it connected, it sometimes turns back on a few minutes later even though the vehicle is off. I am unsure if somehow it is receiving power when the car door is opened or not, but something is triggering it to turn back on.
6. USB Device Random Issue
Initially Reported: 10/27/2008
When using a USB drive to play music files, the Random setting works as long as you do not change a song manually. As soon as you change the song using the steering wheel controls or the radio seek buttons, the Random setting turns itself off.
- Merg
- Merg
Although it asks for a device ID, whats that?
https://www.mapnsoft.com/search/search.asp
Perhaps I'm just being blind, but I simply do not see it anywhere anymore. Does that mean it isn't valid anymore? Can I still expect to have the dealer apply the update to solve the problem, or will they also claim it does not exist and opt to do something else like try to replace the entire system?
is there a known fix / upgrade or something that takes care of this? I tried turning the car on / off a couple times and it was always frozen - no nav functions at all, and just the hyundai logo stuck on the screen.
anyway, i have a service appt for tomorrow, is there something specific i should be asking for?
thanks -brian
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
On a side note, the little i've used the nav so far, it seems to make really really really poor choices re/ routing. I've got a 200$ dollar tomtom that seems to give far superior routing advice. Any of you guys agree? Are there any sw fixes that address this issue? I'm continually baffled at how terrible some of it's suggestions are.
Thanks -brian
Personallly, I'd prefer a Garmin to a Tom Tom but that's just a matter for each person to determine.
On your other point I do think the Gamin software is superior to the NAVs routing software. I do like the ability of adding POIs which is lacking this the built-in unit. I do miss having the red light camera file. On the other hand it was a real pain in the a%$ to keep hiding the removable unit in my last car.
Thanks!
Link: https://www.mapnsoft.com/news/content.asp?name=news&id=53
As is usual, their website is barely functional. I checked and the 2009 Sonata isn't even an option yet. Maybe soon, but right now, only the 2008 is available. Not only that, but they decided to forget that I had previously registered with them (and my ID worked yesterday). Hopefully they get their website problems figured out soon.
Anyone call them up yet to see what all is new in the update outside the typical new roads and POI content?
During this new update there has been:
approx. 200,000 additions to POIs
The "and more" could include:
approx. 3,000,000 additions to addresses.
approx. 130,000 additions to Telephone numbers
One piece of info he did give is that when you do order the dvd and you receive it. After updating the map software in the navi, you will be provided with a number that you will then need to call to MapNSoft and give them this number. They will then generate a code and give it to you to enter into the navi. Without this code, you will not be able to use the updated map section.