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I looked up the car on the site and cannot believe that is what $27k is buying me.
Steel wheels? You have got to be kidding me? Then starting $33k for anything else?
I would much rather have something else..... Heck with new car sale prices I can get loaded car, that will hold its value, better quality, build, engine than this car...!
However, nice concept though... its about time right? I like the car, but paying $27k for a glorified GM car is ridiculous! Its really not like their coming out with something that looks unique though... looks like any other car... GM, your a little late!
What is it about the "guts" of this car that would convince me that it is any different that the less than satisfactory (when compared to the competition)
cars that they already have around now. GM is well known for keeping the old.
What is so new? I want new engine specs, newer technology under the hood, that makes me feel, wow! this has a good feel, it has quality behind it.. not just a rental fleet feel... or just another duplicate car.
You certainly don't see a Lexus with steel wheels?
In order to really hit the competition with this car, take the average between $27k-33k pricing and give only 2 trims as an option. Put the cars price at $30k, with a decent load of goodies. Get rid of the silly and tacky looking base model, that just ruins the concept all together.
It would not be a big deal to have the base model, but at this price!? No acceptable.
I love the car, but GM is soooo late with this car... there are so many other cars that I would pick before this, that have been out so much longer with much better technology, and value. For one, I am not sure I want to buy from a bankrupt company... :lemon:
It will be hot seller I am sure. perhaps forever changing its market target.
I think of GM like this, sweet on the outside, but a little sour on this inside.. they have their frills, features, looks perhaps, but take a look closer on the inside, it is really no different, no real focus on bettering its soul! Stale.
Anyway, on a rampage.. I hope the car is a hit! I love it! Would I buy it, no.
Certainly not with the cheapo steal wheels. haha. Get real. GM, what is with your steel wheels with the hubs?
Did you know, most new Malibu's have Steel wheels, not real rims!
Most GM cars all now have steelies. Even middle trimmed models.
It is going gangbusters in China. And like it or not, that counts for a heck of a lot.Their economy is still growing. Ours is still shrinking.
Buick competes with the Fords, Mrecury, Kias of the world! Go buy your Buick and get to know a mechanic well because you'll be spending plenty of time there!! Plus who knows how many Buick franchises will be around in 6 months!!!!
Get an education or do some research before you make a statement as foolish as this one!
Go buy your Buick and get to know a mechanic well because you'll be spending plenty of time there!!
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I've had my '06 Lucerne for 3 years and 44,000 miles and it's never been in the shop except for oil changes. It has been flawless as have most new Buicks.
Acura quality lags behind Buick as do other Asian makes. Tough for the rice-burner fans to accept but true.
On this planet it is well known that Acura TL is a glorified Honda Accord. Acura as a brand competes with Buick and Lincoln, and may be Lexus ES which is also a glorified Toyota Camry. I means it is hardly news everybody knows that.
Regarding reliability records it is well known that Buick is one of most reliable brands in US market. Honda is nothing exceptional on this aspect so it is hardly the reason to choose Honda cars over Buick. I hope there might be better reasons to consider Acura TL because if reliability is only the reason then Acura is in trouble (and it is actually is in trouble because it could not enter truly luxury segment since it was introduced no matter how much Honda tried).
Wildcat sound to much oldschool though. I like Invicta more than LaCrosse.
I like the Lacrosse styling, but I think it is too heavy , 4000 pounds. I prefer a car that weighs about 500 lbs less.
Last month we decided to rent a car and drive to Miami and see how they perform in long distance (my American leased car has less mileage left on it). We rented a Galant and believe me, both of us had back pain when we came back home the next day. We have driving our own car to Miami several times and it never made us tired that much.
I don't understand why people in the US buy japanese and korean cars more than their home made cars when the only advantage of them is their long lasting engines. If I am wealthy enough to drive a luxury car, I will sell it back after 3 or max 4 years. So, I don't care if the car ca run for 10 years. A 4 years old car is old fashion and rather ugly looking in the road for a wealthy person. If you want to save money, then I would say go buy a corolla or civic. Believe me, they are the most economic cars in the market.
Today we tested Enclave, both of us really fell in love with this beauty. The seats were soooo comfortable. You feel like you are at home. I am sure I can drive it for several hundred miles with my family without getting tired. I don't like Ford's cars or other chevy products. We checked for a lease transfer or a used Enclave but I found cases that a 2 year old Buick is even more expensive than a new one. Why do people say American cars don't hold their value????
And finally, about this LaCrosse, you know... from what I can see in the pictures, we love the curved line between the driver and passenger seats. With that blue light, it reminds me of Minority Report and SciFi movies. I can't wait to drive one of them :P
Why you should pay for features you don’t need? Keeping this logical question in mind, lets add to your story something like that: You love the car – it reminds you old days, when GM dinosaurs were bossing around. 10 La is gorgeous. Maybe it’s new beginning for BU – not too big, not too small – exactly what you need. But problem is in short, you need this back up damn cam!
They actually push you to buy on $2645-495=$2150 stuff. I have no doubts - you’ll get 2K off.
Just watch inventory. If you will see your car is sitting a while – at the end of the month go for it.
I don’t think that LaCrosse will produce a hit like 300C. The car sale still is falling.
By the way, new generation hard drive based nav. is way better, than you have – quickness, picture quality and on It’s like reg. and HD TV. You will drop on 40G hard drive your entire CD collection. It can store 12000 songs. You’ll never regret, specially with sound of hi-end Harman-Kardon.
I remember less than two years ago, I was looking for a car for my wife. I wanted small CUV, she – sedan. EX35 was an answer. Concept was stunning. Here on a forum people were chewing every detail, every news or video. But when it came to production Infinity decided to make it 3” shorter to save a gallon or two of gas. (Gas was over $4 at the time). As result, the smallest rear legroom number in class. Some people were turn down. Rest of them went to the showrooms. Some were count on base models – price for these model was actually OK and included a lot of good stuff. But there were not such a thing as base models – everything came dressed up in packages: Premium, Tech., Luxe Elite, Luxe Style and combo of them. Some people, who were crazy about EX and have money, took their candy home right away. But most people went home empty-handed. I don’t know what is going on now, but back then people turned out from SUV/CUV and were standing in line for hybrids. Few weeks were gone - EX sale got stuck. Infinity, who declared a new wonder as small crossover, became warred about their new breed. And that was the time to buy. People came back to showrooms and did whatever they want: 3-3.5K below Dealer Invoice. They got for free not just Nav, but never seen before exotics, such as: Around View Monitor System (with 4 cameras), Lane Departure Prevention System (not just warns you, but automatically applies one side brakes to push you back to your lane). Others were grabbing different goodies: Intelligent Cruise Control (also applies brakes, if you too close to a vehicle ahead), Adaptive Front Lightning System (headlamps move in the direction of a turn) or Bi-xenon Auto-leveling Headlights. Did I mention, that all of those cars had power fold/unfold back seat and self-healing paint – small scratches will escape with time?
I just checked forum “EX35 buying experience” – 5-7K off from MSPR is everyday think. But two guys are clamed - they've got almost 10k off.
I know that when I try to pass in my 4cyl GM, it feels a bit angry, scowls, and sorta capped at a peak. When I passed in my 06 Accord 4cyl I had, it really never felt like it was exhausted and before you know it, I was pushing past 80mph without much sweat. My 4cyl GM, I don't have to worry about looking down and thinking, wow, I better slow down. After driving this car for a year now, I just noticed this.
However, if that sorta engine in my GM car now, I would absolutely love it!! It would be complete! I miss that engine! A lot! GM can do that, even on a car like the Lacrosse, many other cars are doing it, but I am not sure their 4cyl now, could hold up to that kind of abuse.
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That may be true but my concern would also be how well the I-4 can motivate a 3900 lb vehicle.
Any thoughts on this?
IMO, and I am not trying to be "speed racer", any midsize car should have 225-250 HP (with corresponding torque) for reasonable performance, and any larger car should have a minimum of 250-300...my Crown Vic has 239 HP, while not a pig, does hesitate when I need to accelerate...25-50 more HP and lbs/ft would be a welcome improvement...
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Well that is still the question. I agree that lightly loaded (under 4500 lbs) at lower elevations the I-4 should get the job done. Loading the car up to GVW of 5000 lbs and trying to drive up Interstate 70 into the Rocky Mountains might be a different story.
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I agree. For 99% of my driving the I-4 would be fine, it's the 4000 lb weight of the car that bothers me.
I plan to wait for the 2011 Buick Regal that should weigh about 3300 lbs and will do great with the I-4. I've seen preliminary specs that peg the new Regal's width within a 1/2" of the Lucerne and Lacrosse.
Shoulder room gives me the feel of a bigger car and I like that and the idea of a 3300 vehicle that averages 25mpg.
More info on the 2011 Regal is available here:
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I agree it's a good looking car but it's much shorter than an ES Lexus. Similar length wise to an IS. The 2011 Regal maintains the track (width) of a full-size car but will be a small mid-size offering slotted beneath the LaCrosse.
It will be a winner if bought in under $25K.
It'll be interesting to see what the gas mileage difference will be between the I-4 and 3.0 V6.
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Tentative mileage figures are out for the 2010 LaCrosse.
3.0L V6 FWD: 17 City, 26 Hwy and 20 Combined.
2.4L I4 FWD: 20 City, 30 Hwy and 24 Combined.
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Umm Yes - Thank you for the correction. The 2011 Regal is Camry, Fusion, Passat sized. I stand corrected.
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Buick quality has been among the best in the industry for several years now. My '06 Lucerne has been perfect in every respect. I have had it for 2 1/2 years and have put 30,000 miles on it.
Buick has 3 more new models coming on line in the next 18 months. They will do well.
I am looking at the CXL FWD with
PCI - driver conf. pkg
PCK - luxury pkg
C3U - power sunroof
Q52 - 18" chrome wheels
PCM - comfort & conv.
What price should I be firm on?? TMV says $35,380 - which is MSRP, but invoice is $33,448........ :confuse:
Thanks.
If we're not talking trade-in and you bring your cash/financing to the table, I'd knock $1,500 off the MSRP and be firm.
The "Invoice" listed is only 5.5% below MSRP. Invoice price is a joke these days really. The meaning of it is gone with the wind and forget Edmunds TMV on a model that just went on sale. There's not much for them to go by yet.
$33,900 should buy the car you've described.
What do you mean by this?
Say a new car had a Monroney sticker price of $9,000 which was about average then for a full-size sedan. The invoice price at that time was typically 11-12% below sticker on full-size cars or about $8,000. That $1,000 difference was ALL the dealer had to make a profit with. You couldn't buy the car for "invoice" then because that left nothing for commissions, overheads, profit, etc.
Fast forward to 2009. We'll use thors example from above. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse quoted has a Monroney sticker price of $35,380. The invoice price is $33,448! That's only 5.5% below the sticker price! Do you think a measly $1,900 is all the dealer has to work a profit from today? Of course not.
There are manufacturer to dealer incentives and dealer hold-backs on virtually every new car sold today. A dealer can sell a car for under invoice today and still make a profit! It has totally polluted what "invoice" price is supposed to mean.
On the new Buick cited I'd estimate close to $4,000 is available for the dealer to bargain with. $3,500 minimum. True dealer cost on that $35,380 Buick is $32,000 max but "invoice" is $33,448!
My figures are estimates and I'm generalizing but you should get the idea. Don't let an "invoice sale" con you into thinking you're buying a vehicle for dealer cost.
This should help you with pricing:
http://truecar.com/Buick/LaCrosse/2010/best-price-report-F3D1C84B.html?colorInfo- =Carbon%20Black%20Metallic,Cocoa/Light%20Cashmere,33940,3120,2010%20Buick,LaCros- se,4dr%20Sedan%20CXL,2010_Buick_LaCrosse_Carbon_Black_Metallic.jpg&optionInfo=62- 22135,5991783,5991786,5977096&trimId=309825&modelId=19021&zipcode=08060
Since they're so new, I'm having trouble finding the configuration I want....I've got 5 dealers I've contacted and they are slowly getting back to me.....I don't want the gray interior which is all there seems to be out there right now!! :mad:
Also - I'm being told 2 stories on the Drivers Confidence Package...1 is that it is lumped into the comfort and conv. pkg...2 is that it is standard on all CXL's.....
I have to tell you though that I've been looking at several vehicles and it seems I know more than the salesmen!!!! So.......something doesn't sound right here about that package...anyone know what the story is on it? That is an option we are definite about.......
Really like this car, but don't want to special order.....
Thanks!!
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Well story #1 definitely sounds wrong. The Comfort & Conv. Pkg is only $550 and already includes several nice options; so there's no way you'd get Xenon HID articulating lamps, a Head-Up Display and a Blind Spot Warning system tossed in at that price.
Story #2 is wrong also because buick.com lists the HID lamps and Head-Up display as options for all the CXL & CXS models. There is no mention of the Blind Spot Warning system on the Buick website that I can see.
It's interesting because the link provided by alexup for truecar.com doesn't show the Driver Confidence Package as available either. My guess is there is some issue with the Blind Spot Warning system making it unavailable at this time. You can still get the HID lamps & HUD though.
Exactly!!! There is NO way it's lumped into that %550 pkg!!! I went to their website last night as well and saw the same thing and noticed that on truecar too, so think you may be correct in there's some kind of issue with the blind spot warning....which would be a nice thing......so will look at those 2 options as separate.....
Opinion on prices offered by dealer?
The biggest problem seems to be what I want in the car and the interior color! Are my options that specific that I should need to order one?? I noticed quite a few of the ones have the upgraded sounds system...that seems to be a common option...
Thanks!!!!
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JLC
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I'm in the market but the Taurus might have to be considered. I figure if I have to settle for a 5 seater I will not be getting a crossover. The Kia Rondo 7 seater and the mazda5 have the right direction though. The auto manufacturers should fill this nitche with a combination of the two vehicles -either a more powerful Mazda 5 or a better looking Rondo with the 6cylinder.Either way I'll be waiting to see how things shake out and then maybe jump in the spring.