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incentives to repeat customers. Keep your fingers crossed, if anyone
can do it Hyundai can.
I think the 2011 Sonata will be Hyundai's hottest product in a long time, perhaps ever, so that's why I think we'll see the "ADM" stuff at the start. And we won't see $2500 rebates as there is now on the 2010 model for some time--if ever? Could be the car will be good enough to sell in big numbers even at higher prices than today--closer to Camcord levels. Will be interesting to see how that shakes out this year.
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Too bad you let that one bad dealer experience turn you off Hyundai.
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It did turn me off in 2007 and I bought a Buick Lucerne of all things. It's been a great car but I'm looking to downsize a bit this year. The Buick's paid off now (3 yr. loan) and I've got about $12K equity for my down payment on a newer model.
I might be more interested in the next gen Elantra coming out this fall. The Sonata is very nice but is more car than I need and will likely be selling close to MSRP all through 2010.
After working with a guy from Seoul last year, I'm ready to give Hyundai a shot.
I think(or should I say I hope) you will feel different about the front on angle appearance when you see one up close. I studied the car from every angle when I was at the factory during my tour and I cannot find an angle that I dislike. Of course this is subjective.
Your right about the interior...its fantastic! I sat in one fresh off the line(LITERALLY) and the design, precision and ergonomics(at least from the drivers seat) was excellent. The 2011's coming off the line right now have the same GDI 4 cylinder. Some have a "Sport" package on top of the "Limited" package that have Dual exhaust outlets and paddle shifters on the steering wheel. So...You can get a Limited with or without this so-called "Sport Package". The Turbo will be available later in 2010. When the turbo is available we will trade our current Azera.
Craig
A friend who is a Car dealer had the pleasure of driving one in Fountain Valley Ca . Following is his email to me : [ 11/11/2009 ] Don - I just got back from southern California this afternoon. The vehicle looks great although the one they let us see and test drive was still not the 100% finished version. I did get to drive one but not on the freeway. It was very quiet and had great pick up and road feel. The car is very exciting and it looks much more expensive then its going to be.
They have not disclosed the price yet, they are trying to bring it in as low as they can and I would guess that for an automatic nicely equiped the MSRP will probably be about $21,000- $21,500. They are going to come out with some incentives I think right from the begining and a super lease program.
I do know that they probably are going to introduce it at the L.A Autoshow ahead of schedule. The L.A autoshow is December 3-4. originally they were going to introduce it at the Detroit Auto show in January. We will not have them on ground to sell yet but the vehicle will be 'officially unveiled". That means that the specs, real pictures (not spy shots) and pricing should be available at that time. I will be flying down for the show and will take pictures and send them back same day: .
Actually, The first day of full production of the 2011 was January 4th....How would I know this? I did the factory tour that day. I promise you the 2010 stopped production just before Christmas.
Craig
Casey
http://blog.al.com/assembly-lines/2009/12/redesigned_sonatas_now_rolling.html
Casey
I've read a lot of different numbers on the output of the turbo for the Sonata. I would think around 250-260 but anythings possible. If you have a reliable source that the 280hp is definite and that that they are going to up the "very sporty" factor in the handling department - please let us know.
They try to attract the average midsize family car buyer with the Sonata and they are trying to grow their sales. I don't think trying to be like Mazda is part of their strategy.
A 5dr would be nice but I think there are so many crossover vehicles now that have great hauling ability and are more carlike that people that really need something like that buy a CUV or whatever. I personally think that is why Mazda got out of building them. They would rather have people buy their CX7 with a higher profit margin.
and another source
http://www.hyundai-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/gdi-turbo-engine.jpg
Hyundai has developed a new turbocharged gasoline direct injection version of its Theta family engine. The Theta family is essentially a derivative of the GEMA World Engine project, a joint venture between Hyundai-Kia, Chrysler and Mitsubishi. It comes in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.4 liter sizes.
Derivatives of the GEMA engine found in cars sold in Malaysia include the Kia Optima 2.0, the Naza Citra II Rondo, the Mitsubishi Lancer and the Lancer Evolution. There have already been two turbocharged applications of GEMA derivatives in the market, a 2.4 liter turbo by Chrysler and a 2.0 turbo by Mitsubishi found in the Lancer Evolution.
Hyundai claims their Theta Turbo GDI engine has a capacity for up to 286 horsepower so far. Other than gasoline direct injection, it also features continuous variable valve timing. Various states of tune will probably be available – perhaps 200hp, 240hp and 286hp versions depending on the car its installed in.
Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama; LLC.
under it click on tours, by manufacturing plant choose (manufacturing
process) and then scroll down and watch video.
I bought the SE V6 several months ago, nice vehicles!!
good luck with yours
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/6582100/auto-shows/2009-la-2011-hyundai-sonata-feature- s-turbo-four-price-under-20k/index.html#ixzz0dUKpIUGL
yeah, there is no clear evidence that the engine will produce around 280hp, but
considering this article, the turbo charged engine for 2011 Sonata should be in range of 260 ~280.
Someone PLEASE send up a flare on here when you see on a lot and give the location. I certainly will!
according to Edmunds inside line, the new Sonata weighs between 3161-3316 lbs. http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2009/12/2011-buick-regal-vs-2011-hyunda- i-sonata-we-compare-the-specs.html
FWIW, the base BMW 135 with the manual tranny is 3372 lbs per Edmunds. fully loaded versions will probably add almost 100 lbs more (navigation, more speakers, amplifier, power/heated seats). the 128 with manual starts at 3252 lbs.
both versions (auto or manual) of the 135 have 0-60 times of under or right around 5 seconds. the 128 does it well under 7 seconds, some reviews even put it below 6 seconds or right around it. the Sonata shouldn't do that much worse than the 128 and do better than the first generation TSX which wasn't considered slow (at least in manual form). as for the turbo version of the Sonata, my guess is class leading performance.
Man, I'm with you there. Looks great from every angle, but that front end is really busy. I like the headlamps, but it's the funny bulges below them that seem discordant. And the grille is a bit too big.
Anyhoo, I'm very, VERY eager to see it here in Canada. Hyundai Canada has had full 2010 Santa Fe info (including Build & Price) for ages at hyundaicanada.com, whereas the US site still has nothing. Perhaps the Canadian site will have 2011 Sonata info before the US site as well.
If they can offer 250hp/250torque and 30-32hwy mpg that would be quite a combo.
the Maxima is also around 300 lbs heavier than the Sonata, so the Sonata won't need 290 HP to have similar performance. 260 HP will give it similar power to weight ratios, and a better torque ratio. the base Sonata actually has a similar power to weight ratio as the first generation Infiniti i30 ('96-99) or the third generation (or fourth generation) Maxima, the original "4 door sports car".
And yes, I consider them to be in the same "class" if not directly competitive in as much as I think of them both as midpoint trim-level, mid-sized sedans, albeit with somewhat different customers in mind.
Bold New Design, Large Car Interior, Best-in-Class Fuel Economy Starting at $19,195
FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Feb. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Hyundai Motor America has announced prices for the all-new 2011 Sonata. The completely redesigned 2011 Sonata delivers best-in-class fuel economy, an EPA-designated Large Car interior, 198 horsepower and a starting price of $19,195 for the well-equipped GLS model. The 200-horsepower SE model starts at $22,595 and the top-of-the-line Limited model is available for $25,295.
"With the 2011 Sonata, our focus was a no-compromise engineering approach that would allow Sonata owners to have their cake, and eat it too. That focus led to a set of attributes that have not been seen in the midsize car category – attributes such as 35 mpg and 200 horsepower, bold design and an EPA Large Car interior, world-class quality and a class-leading value position," said John Krafcik, Hyundai Motor America president and CEO. "At Hyundai, we're big fans of resetting conventional wisdom, and we think we may have done it here with the 2011 Sonata."