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In the first place your acceleration numbers are absolutely not correct unless you are given to a bit of exaggeration.
In actuality, the Acura TSX with the 6 achieves 0-60 in 5.9 sec while the Buick Regal does it in 7.5. Hardly "about 1 second."
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/impressions/2010-acura-tsx-v-6
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1004_2011_buick_regal_us_spec_drive/s- pecs.html
Of course you failed to mention the $5k price premium for the TSX V6
Now, let's compare apples to apples and not to apricots, shall we?
The price of the premium Acura TSX V6 according to the Acura website is $34,850 while the price of the premium Buick Regal Turbo is $34,435.
http://www.acura.com/Pricing.aspx?model=TSX
http://www.buick.com/regal/2011/build-your-own/
I have nothing against the new Buick Regal and in fact think it has the potential to be a world-class car, especially when it arrives as the Regal GS. But presently, it is underpowered and if it is to aspire to be the best then it is going to have to have exemplary acceleration because that parameter happens to be associated with world-class cars, e.g. BMW. Did you ever hear BMW described as having merely "adequate" acceleration?
The comments and rationale in this discussion actually bring up an interesting point. For far too long Americans have become accustomed to being satisfied with "adequate" and "good enough." Where has gone that burning desire to be the very best in the world? Unless attitudes change, mediocrity is going to be the rule rather than the exception. Personally, I would prefer excellence over mediocrity.
The price of the premium Acura TSX V6 according to the Acura website is $34,850 while the price of the premium Buick Regal Turbo is $34,435"
Yes, but a BASE Regal turbo may be had for $28,745. NO TSX V6 can be had for less than $34,435. Not to mention the extra $110 for destination for the TSX over the Regal.
According to C&D's comparo, the as tested price difference is about $3,600 ($38,810 vs $35185 for the Regal T07) If you look at their final results on a point by point basis, The Regal scored as high as, or better than both the CC and TSX for the overall vehicle and the chassis, lagging only in powertrain (Duly noted in these arguments).
I have no doubt that anybody buying a Regal over the other 2 will be quite satisfied with their purchase.
Newer is not always better.
More than likely, if you took a long drive in a new Regal, you will find you get north of 30 mpg. My father got over 30 in his 2010 Lacrosse with the 3.0 V6. I have yet to take mine on a long enough drive, but routinely got over 30 mpg in my '99 Ultra. 26 MPG in a V8 car is excellent for what it is.
That is entirely a matter of subjective opinion, not fact. In my opinion it is not adequate but slow and for that reason it does not meet my needs and I would not buy it.
That is not to say that a leisurely car is problematic, I simply prefer the raw power of the SS combined with very good gas mileage.
For what I would spend on a Regal GS or a 2011 Lacrosse CXS, I could have bought an Impala SS or, even better, the Lacrosse Super, with the V-8. Now, it would look old-fashioned inside and out, and the dash designs are old-style, and some of the materials were not as good. But it is roomier and probably a lot less expensive to fix should something go wrong.
Is it progress? From the point of view of looks and efficiency, probably so. But my '09 Allure, with the ancient 3800, put out 200hp and 230 lb-ft of torque. That's more power than the base Regal has. Even with the old 4-speed automatic, my car moves quite well. I have driven the base Regal, and it might be a bit quicker off the line than my car thanks to the 6-speed transmission, but the rest of the time it drives pretty much the same. I like the size and handling of the Regal compared to my car, but it isn't a huge leap forward. But it is new and stylish and has all the tech. I'm happy with my car and feel no urge to upgrade right now.
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And yes, I don't need a 300hp engine while our planet is down to it's last 38 years worth of petroleum. I do fine with cars I can average 26mpg in, thank you.
Let's keep the politics out of this discussion. You've swerved pretty far in the last couple of posts, and are starting to get shrill. And speaking for myself, I personally don't want to read rants about liberal lunatics, scientific conspiracies, and Al Gore's beach mansion, or claims that these people are ganging up and wrecking the world (and depriving everyone of cheap gas and a good time, just because).
There are other blogs for that sort of thing, filled with like-minded people. And talk radio.
Make sense? Let's talk about cars.
2. A base TSX has about the same level of equipment as the base Regal Turbo. The TSX has HIDs and memory standard which the Regal lacks. That's where the equipment advantages end.
3. C&D just tested the two cars and the TSX V6 got to 60 in 6 secs vs 7.3 for the Regal- a whopping 1.3 sec difference. Again, the gap wasnt surprising considering the 60hp advantage of the Acura. The TSX tested was over $3k more than the Regal and the Regal had better braking, a quieter ride and equal or superior skidpad grip. Regal has more cargo and rear seat room, larger wheels, adjustable suspension and better styling as well. They also said the regal handled better.
4. Plenty of BMWs have had "adequate acelleration" until recently. The last gen X5 came standard with a 260hp engine and a near 5000lb curb weight. This version was rarely ytested but 0-60 was likely in the mid to upper 7 sec range. The last gen 528 had only 230hp standard and with an auto likely needed mid 7s to hit 60. Same for last gen X3. The 328i with an auto is probably slightly faster than a Regal turbo. The manual car was capable of a mid 6 sec run to 60.
The Regal has 28less hp and 58 less lb ft of torque than the Lacrosse and weighs slightly more and is about 1 sec slower to 60 while getting better mileage. The Lacrosse was rated at 17/25 and could get to 60 in about 8 secs. Sure, it was faster than the Regal, but not by a huge margin consdiering its power advantage. After Regal production comes to Canada I expect electric power steering to be added which should boost mileage by at least 1mpg.
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2. The base regal starts at an affordable $27k. That is NOT a premium price and few "world class" luxury cars are available at that price. Even though you refuse to admit the obvious the fact of the matter is that the base Regal competes with the higher end four cylinder sedans in the segment and most of those cars have comparable hp and acceleration.
3. Your posts about CAFE and being forced to drive four cylinder cars were not relevant to the Regal discussion.
4. I tend to disregard most overly optimistic accounts of mileage from users. We know that magazines drive test cars in the same way so we can see how various cars stack up when they are tested. If you do 100% highway driving in ideal conditions the SS may average 25mpg but reality is most people don't do all or most of their driving like that. I can tell you the folks in my city driving Impala SS are probably seeing 12-13mpg at the most.
It is very functional, everything works, the ergonomics are top-notch, the Bose audio is fabulous, the high-quality leather seats are very comfortable -even on long drives - the steering wheel size and location are perfectly suited to my size and body habitus, the heated seats have two levels and are highly effective (both seat and back) and the overall interior experience is highly salutary.
There is one more very desirable feature which I believe is unique to GM. While driving in Canada I can set the instruments including the speedometer to metric units (L/100 km) and while driving in the U.S. (which is most of the time) I can set the instruments to Imperial/English units (mpg). This is so very convenient and beats the heck out of the both systems appearing on the same dial, one smaller than and concentric with the other.
I have no complaints at all with my SS's interior or any other part of it for that matter.
I don't know for a fact but I hope the new Regal uses that same measurement conversion convention. Anyone know?
It is the one car that might entice me out of my SS but I doubt it?
Anyone know is there is going to be an AWD configuration?
This is the first Buick that looks good inside and out (I did like the Reatta, but the interior was typical blocky GM style with digital gauges and plastitrim..yuck!) and I can honestly say I would consider buying it if I had the money. This car easily trumps the TSX in style. Gas mileage needs to be improved though.
Does anyone else think a 2 door Regal would look quite elegant? Riviera perhaps?
Regal doesnt have the ability to display in english and metric on speedo because its from Europe. GMNA vehicles have the same feature the impala has but GM's imports do not. Regal does have aux digital speedo in the DIC that can be viewed in english or metric though.
The Turbo engine will be available in December and the Turbo GS by spring '11. These engines should really help the cause. The 2.4DI is fine for the base engine, GM needs an upgrade engine now.
Nah. Too small for a "Riviera"
But sales already are not bad. Buick is improving sales and market share with less than a handful of models. There are lots of us who are satisfied with a car that is stylish, well-equipped, quiet and comfortable. Until the last few years, $40K Audis did not make significantly more power. Wait for the GS and stop bashing people who would rather have quiet and smooth than brute force.
Seriously, the 2.4DI engine is fine for me and most "traditional" Buick buyers. The problem is this car is aimed at a target market that is more performance oriented, so the 220HP turbo engine was needed from the start - not 6 months after introduction. And....we are still 6 months away from the true performance Regal GS with it's 255HP mill. Then Buick will have a real line-up of Regal's to appease all tastes.
I do agree that having only the 2.4DI available this year has hurt sales.
Regal overlaps with Lacrosse and is relatively unknown and has ONE engine. THAT is affecting sales along with lack of incentives. The availability of the turbo will help. Your assertions that the car is too slow is flat out false. MY uncle (has an older Audi) and cousin (has 2000 528i) both drove my car and had no complaints about the acceleration- they knew it was a 4 because I told them. If acceleration was all that mattered people wouldnt buy minivans or large crossovers like the Enclave or Flex. None of those vehicles are all that fast. An AWD Enclave needs over 8 secs to hit 60 in spite of having 288hp. A Chevy Tahoe has a V8 but still needs 8.5-9 secs to hit 60.
Well GS has been unveiled now- no more speculation. We have the facts.
I am quite at a loss to know who made YOU the authority on what is adequate power in any automobile. This may come as a surprise to you but for the premium price (at least in Canada) and the premium image that Buick so desperately wishes to convey, the base engine at least is TOO SLOW and the turbo is no great shakes, either.. If you do not wish to face that REALITY, that is your problem.
Not only is your sarcasm misplaced, it isn't impressing anyone. What the Regal needs to truly sustain its bid for premium performance car is adequate power commensurate with Buick's goals for it and adequate power is NOT what it has now. The GS will help, however.
Buick planned to offer more powerful engines for the Regal from the start. They wanted to have one for sale quickly and only had the base engine ready. Understand?
The turbo and GS model will be here soon enough. Efficient 4-cylinder powertrains are here to stay. The age of the V8 has past.
I was mostly curious if anyone else thought a Regal coupe would look good and be a welcome addition.
Not so fast there, partner. The V8 is far from obsolete and is about to undergo the same technological revolutionizing that the V6 and V4 have. It will only become better as time passes. Still used in some of the world's best and fastest cars, nothing else equals it for sheer driving zeal and enjoyment.
Please do not be overly influenced to the negative by the current plethora of hysterical anti-internal combustion engine propaganda put forth by the ecozealots whose self-serving ideals far outweigh their ability for critical and constructive thinking. Contrary to the bleatings of such, the world is actually not ending any time soon.
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8379591/the-general-forum/do-you-guys-think-the-- v8-will-ever-become-obsolete/index.html
One does not have to be hysterical to be concerned about the world we leave our children. You sound a little shrill yourself, and there really is no need. There are plenty of vehicular choices out there to fill the bill for you, and probably will always be. In 1990, no one would have predicted a 300+ full size Chevy getting 26 mpg in the real world...and that model is getting to be old hat now.
Meanwhile, when given a choice of engines, it is usually the smaller one with less hp which sells the most, whether you are talking Subaru, Impala or Mustang. Your GS is coming for those who might want both the Regal and extra punch. Until production gets underway in North America, 1700 imports a month selling at close to list is no less than a success. No need for name calling and characterizing the opinions of others as bleatings and such.
2. $27k isnt the price of a premium car in the US
3. The Camry, Accord, Altima and Mazda6 alll exceed $27k with options and none are considered luxury cars.
4. Regal's acceleration is on par with other $27k four cylinder sedans.
DTS and Lucerne disappear after 2011 as will their V8 engine. Impala SS and its platform mates are gone. Ford is abandoning V8s except for Mustang and trucks.
Regal was never going to have 300hp and it doesnt need that kind of power to be successful.
I agree on all points!!!
But boy, a 300+ hp Regal GSX would sure make my short Christmas list. :shades:
It was the single exhaust version which limited the engine to 150HP. I usually got around 16-17mpg as I recall. It had decent power for that era and I'd guess the 0-60 time was just a tad over 10 seconds. Plenty fast but no rocket by any means at 3800lbs dry weight.
Today's base engine can easily average 25-26mpg while putting out 182HP and delivering a 0-60 time just over 9 seconds. A side note: I once owned a Mercury Lynx with a 65HP engine and a 13 second 0-60 sprint.