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The old school says about 5,000 miles an engine will reach the full potential. My feeling is this engine might reach it a lot quicker.
My dealership suggest to be safe with oil change after 6,000 miles but do not go over 8,000.
Michelin's own site rates the Latitude as touring tires and not good as off-road. Seems like the loyalty issue that jeep owners have should play a part with jeep/chrysler management. Wondering if we can find out how many off-road packages were sold with the on-road tires. I they get enough complaints in numbers, they should at least respond to make things right.
I am now noticing the Latitude's response on highway driving in the rain is starting to diminish in performance. This is partly due to the lower tread depth design. Before, I never had a problem in this situation with either the Firestone Destination A/T or the Goodyear Fortera Tripletreads.
Since this is my first Jeep/Chrysler product that I have owned, this is the only issue that has left me with a sour taste. Otherwise, I feel that overall, they are doing an excellent job.
I agree, that there has to be some way to find out the number of packages sold and for us to come together and present this to JEEP to make things right. I would take even a check, simply because I am afraid what they my offer.
I don't know, does Chrysler hate it's customer base. Does Fiat see this as some sort of tax deduction. It sure isn't the way to conduct business on an ethical level and build a loyal customer base.
I am done with trying to convince Chrysler to do the right thing. I am going to contact the California Attorney Genreals office to see if they have any interest in pursuing this as a "bait and switch" violation. Also, going to write my elected representatives in Sacramento and Washington to see if they have any interest. (Pobably doubtfull.)
Also, I will be ready to express my frustration to one and all - I'll be a real Johny One note (till my wife tells me to cool it. :-) ).
Yes, I know I can replace the tires for about a thousand dollars, and be done with it. But "they" have taken our tax dollars to save their [non-permissible content removed], promised us a better business experience, and still playing the same old game. I am totally P.O.'d with this whole issue. Love the car, hate the company. 8-/
The problem as I see it right now, as far as I can tell, we might be a small base with this situation. We need others who have the same problem as us that have not voiced their displeasure now must do so. The best thing is keep the communication going with customer service and demonstrate that the whole concept with the Adventure Package and a Trail Rated certified 4x4 is that we need an aggressive tire as indicated on the website and the sticker. The old clause of specifications can change from time of purchase does not apply in our case. A Jeep 4x4er that does the on/off road driving expects that are getting that.
Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat, should change their policy and make provisions to remedy this for the loyal customer base. With the Nissan Xterra they give you the BFG Rugged Trail TA as the on/off road OE tire. I am still wondering if Jeep is waiting for the release of the updated version of the BFG Rugged Trail TA as I have posted earlier (IMO, I never liked BFG before and the new one I have to wait for opinions on the siping) and my offer this as a solution.
As you, I love the JGC as well and glad that I did make the purchase. From my past experiences with other car manufactures, right now, the Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat is differently better to deal with than the other competition.
Best for now.
Anyhow, all my impressions were positive EXCEPT for the engine response. It was mostly good, but there was a flat spot/hesitation that I didn't like, but definitely could live with, specially since new flash of control PROM may 'fix' it. It did not seem like a 290 hp engine either. I drove there in my Navigator, a much heavier vehicle with a 300 hp engine and I've no doubt I could dust the JGC with the Nav. Surprising.
FYI - although it was well equipped for off-road, it had the Michelin Latitude tires. The build date was August 2010. I think I'm going to pass on it, though it is tempting. SOme of the stories here thugh give me real p[ause. Buying this early build date of the first model year scares me, as does the Chrysler response to the OBVIOUS problem that latitudes are NOT all terrain tires.
BEST of luck to all you Jeepers. I loved my old 86 Cherokee.
Except for the tire issue, to date this is the best car I have owned. With regards to the V6, a lot of us found that by just shutting of the Hill Assist and getting the latest RRT will pretty much solve the problem. Also, as I have discovered, the sport mode and shifting will get the engine to come alive. With now almost 2000 miles of mostly highway driving, I am finding the the V6 really responsive.
For some strange reason, this is my second car, first with Jeep that has an early build date and it never bothered me. The first was an 2005 Nissan Xterra 2nd generation. I remember my father also had first build's and it never bothered him.
If you have not yet pulled the trigger, I would suggest to take another look. I have a friend that just brought the Hemi and let tell you, he can blow away a lot of other V8's.
All the best and good luck.
It actually is printed in black & white on the window sticker & on the build sheet that the tires specified for that pkg are On-Off Road... not T-O-U-R-I-N-G! What don't they understand about the English language. If the pkg was meant to come with Touring tires it would have said that. Even they're own "Build Your Own" web site specifies On-Off road tires.
Keep after them... call Chrysler Customer Care and get a Sr case mgr working for you. Maybe we should contact one of the national news HELP organizations. Let them do a bit of research. :mad:
I guess yours is exactly like this one. I misquoted the color - it is blackberry pearl. Very nice. The engine probably runs better after breakin, yeah. And I have read here that the new flash does (or does not, depending on which post u read) improve driveability. The part that puzzles me is the Hill descent issue. I had read here it might perform better if that was off. So I asked salesman how to turn it off. He pointed out that off is the default and that you can't even turn it on unless you're in a 4WD mode. I was in Auto, then Sport and could not get the light to stay on (which would mean the hill control was ON) , so I'm puzzled what you all are referring to.
My father advised me to avoid first year cars. Not that I ever listened to anything he said! What REALLY bugs me though is this tire issue. Chrysler is pulling a fast one here no doubt. Good luck getting them to do anything. They're certainly not alone in this type of response though. My Lincoln LS had (well, still has at 130,000 miles) an issue with the auto HVAC system blowing cold air out center stack and warm air out driver's side. I escalated to the Ford district manager who, with thermometer in hand, agreed that it didn't work correctly and promised to fix it. That is the last time I ever spoke to him, as he refused to take calls from me after that. Nice, huh?
I would HATE to get a Hemi Jeep that gets pretty much the same gas mileage (13 19) as my Navigator (13 17) when it is about 2 feet shorter and 3/4 ton lighter. Gas is never getting any cheaper again, what with the policies now in place and the refusal to even drill in the future. It is insane. Also, though I do really like the Jeep, I have made a promise to myself that the UAW shall never get another dime of my money. So it would be hard to go back on that promise. Though there is that adjustable air suspension ...
Best to you and thanks for the thoughts.
The New York Auto Show is coming up shortly and since I am in the tri-state area, my intention is to speak to somebody about this problem. A face to face meeting might help the situation. I was not planing to goto the show this year because I have a new 4x4 and do not need to see anything else. Now it is going to be a waste of time and some money, but let me make the best out of it.
I went back to look over the YouTube video's to review the footage of 2011 JGC that you can actually see the Latitadue's and the majority of the off-road demonstration occurred with dry conditions. When ever there was a mud or water a very short run. Even a car tire in dry conditions can handle that terrain. So, if this is what Jeep based their decision on, then they certainly missed some other fine points off-roading. On tirerack review, two 2011 Jeep owners complained about the Latitude performance in the snow where one almost lost total control of the JGC. Those missed points is what express my complaint with customer service.
Overall, I still like the 2011 JGC and I am proud to be a Jeep owner for the first time. Best for now.
The hill assist which you need is in the setup mode and the manual tells you how to work the electronic vehicle information system. By using the controls on the steering wheel you simple scroll thru the menus and check off the hill assist.
In short the drive by wire system in these V6 takes into account a lot of variables and by shorting off the hill assist, the V6 seems to move faster from a stop.
What ever your choice is going to be, I am sure you will make the best decision.
Best for now.
Just purchased a new JGC Overland 4x2 :shades: (sorry I don't go into the off roading & live in Los Angeles) Just really liked the look of the vehicle, dark metalic gray has all of the bells & whistles but the blind spot & cruise control monitoring. Have not had a chance to set all of the apps yet but will this weekend. I had new Cherokee sport in '93 & a new JGC Loredo (26 package) in 2000 if this one serves me as well as those two did I will be a happy camper.
How long did it take for the manuals to arrive? I ordered mine and was told I would receive them in 2 to 3 days via ups but I have not received them yet. Also what software upgrade are you speaking off I have the 730N media center on my overland 4x2
I have 264 miles to date I'm going by the book 8k miles or 6 months any sooner just seems a waste of money, as for the break in keep it low until 500 miles and then increase.......best to be safe and help it a little to keep you happy for many miles to come.
According to Chrysler as of now, the Latitude was selected by them as the tire to meet the requirements as set forth for Adventure Package. Therefore, at the present time, Chrysler is not going to due anything. When I mention if the powers in charge decide to check out the forums and witness with the own eyes the mistake in tire selection, they responded, if enough people complain, action might be taken.
They also asked me why I did not like the Latitude as an All-Terrian tire. My response was as follows: First, the tire tread depth brand new is 10/32, not good for off road adventures, snow and rain. Second, the tread design can not work well in deep snow or light mud. Third, in the rain, water does not evacuate as fast as mediocre all-terrian tires. And to top it off, the whole point of buying this package was not to spend any additional monies of an all-terrian tire.
I strongly recommend for us that got stuck with the Michelin Latitude tires to speak with customer service, state why it was an error with examples for Jeep to select the tire. I have spoken to customer service on other matters and each time I find the service better than other car manufactures.
I hope this helps -- best for now.
Good luck with you JGC -- best for now.
The upgrade is a Radio Enhancement Upgrade (#RRT 11-026). You can call the dealer or Chrysler Customer Service to see if your VIN qualifies. I also have the 730N media center. I had the upgrade done but don't notice any difference. Sercvice rep at the dealer said it has to do with the fact that if the radio enters static mode then it won't drain the battery. I don't understand it.
The mud flaps are available from MOPAR, and I am pretty sure they are the hard ones. I have the same concern as you about a possible problem in mud/snow. You also have to drill into the body to install them. If you look at the JEEP body in relation to the wheels, it seems most of ther benefit would come from the front mudguards. I think I'll pass on these for now.
I am more concerned about stone chips to the front of the hood and front bumper when driving on the highway. The hood deflector will help, but not for the bumper.
It has been over 4 days, I'll give it to Monday and if nothing then I will call Tuesday,I ordered a brochure 6 months ago and never got that either.
Does anyone know where the build date is located?
Thank you!
The deciding factor between the 2011 JGC had over the Explorer for was 1) The GC rides like a tank in a Mercedes body, nice and comfortable. 2) Ground Clearance, even if you do not get the air suspension unit in GC, you still get better clearance. 3) Styling was better than the Explorer and lot of other SUV in the range, at first folks thought that I got a BMW.
I did not mind losing the third row seat, it was actually a pleasure now that in the 2nd row nobody complains anymore. I have the V6 and I am fine with it. For me, I really wanted a better SUV to handle off-road situations and the winter when I need it, yet I have a very quite and comfortable interior.
The Explorer I went only once to if the improvements was worth it to me. With the GC I actually went for 3 test rides to make sure I was making the right choice. Pulled the trigger and purchased it as opposed to leasing this time.
This is my 2 cents, so go thru your requirements see what fits.
Best of Luck
Best regards.
I was surprised to see the $305. list price for the 730N on the window sticker. Back when I was considering ordering a JEEP, the price list price for the 730N was $465.
This Media Center thing, 430N versus 730N, seems pretty confusing to me.
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Best regards.
The best thing is go for a test ride at dealership and play with the seating positions. I have the 8-way seats and they adjust nicely for me. However, I am only 5' 6". But the GM at the dealership is around 6'2" and he just got in and out with no problem.
Best of Luck.
I am 6'2", 220 and have the 2011 Overland fully loaded. I have all kinds of head room even though I have the full moon roof which takes out some head room. I am sure you will find it very comfortable. My only issue to date is noise in the suspension that they are still trying to get rid of, otherwise it has been great and I have 6000KM on it (V6). I wish it had more balls off the line and through the mid range but until they get the new tranny I will just ride it in sport mode when the weather allows as this changes the shift pattern and gives you much better low end performance. One of the best looking rides out there.
I'm 6'6" and have no problems with space or headroom in the new Jeep. I have yet to pull the trigger on a 2011, but have test driven one a couple of times and remarked to my wife, "I cannot remember the last time I had this much space while driving". I have a 99 GCL now, but have my eye on the 2011's and am hoping for some end of year specials to get my new one. Good luck!
Like Mixinit I also purchased my Overland in March, has a build date of Feb 18th and window sticker shows a 730N as a $463 option. This vehicle was purchased new off of a dealers lot and was not a build it order. So unless you build to order I think it's hit ot miss as to what media center unit is installed.