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I don't want to put any pressure on ya, but it would be so cool to meet as many people from here as I could.
I won't get to Nashville until 4:30 or so, so I won't get to Cadiz until around 7:00 or so. I may putz around Nashville a little bit so see some country music stars
-Paul
Andrew
True, but similar options are available for 15" rims. For instance, BFG ATs are available in a 33"x 9.5"x 15", which are 33 inches tall and the same width as the original 30 inch tires.
Maybe just a list of major changes between, preferably including fixes.
-Paul
1997
exhaust manifolds cracked
1998
same thing
1999
Think there was a fix in place for manifolds for the 99s
2000
NV3550 tranny replaces AX-15 (early 00's had the AX-15, those produced later in the model year had the NV3550
2001
sail cloth (four ply) soft tops [MUCH QUIETER by all accounts I have read]
Also, believe this is first year for distributorless ignition.
2002
X models come out
2003
RUBICONS!!!
4 speed auto introduced
2.4 L engine replaces the 2.5 (supposed to be peppier)
2004
Not aware of any changes
Hey, if anyone can add to this, or if I have made some mistakes, someone please speak up!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Here is what it has:
31x10.5
aftermarket wheels - nice
soft top
aftermarket stereo
K&N filter
auto tranny
51,000 miles
no tranny leaks
clean
I don't know the VIN (didn't write it down), but I guess I could email it to DC using Tom's directions, but would that list which tranny it is? I would prefer a manual, but I found a 98 but it had 110,000 miles and a leaky tranny. It didn't feel like it was in nearly as good a shape.
It had Smittybilt bumpers and nerf bars, but they didn't match the red/black color scheme of the car.
-Paul
As far as I know, that old 3 speed auto was a real workhorse and had great reliability.
That K&N filter would worry me some. Maybe it was fine, but there have been reports of dust getting past those filters and into the tube going to the engine. In order to be efficient at trapping and holding dirt, they need to be cleaned and re-oiled on some interval, and I wonder if the previous owner did that? I don't believe in those K&Ns, and the good old 4.0 L has enough power to suit me anyway. Sure, the K&Ns pass more air, but what about filtering efficiency??? Heck, just take the air filter out, and then you will get a lot more air to the engine, but you will also get a lot of dirt to the engine too.
It is very much in question as to the benefit of the extra air anyway, unless some other modifications have been made. Maybe there have been some other mods to the engine, but that would make we shy away from it even more.
Give me a used Jeep that just has the good old factory air intake system.
I would at a MINIMUM talk to the previous owner!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
TSB Number...Issue Date........TSB Title
18-008-03 MAR 03 Engine Controls - Co-Pilot Support/Cable Selection
24-009-02 OCT 02 A/C - System Leak Detection
08-025-01 NOV 01 Air Bag - On/Off Switches
19-009-01 OCT 01 Driver Airbag - Trim Cover Service
24-012-01 SEP 01 Evaporator Drain Tube - Water Leaks Onto Passenger Floor
23-025-01 SEP 01 Soft Top - Window Zippers Difficult To Operate
21-006-01 JUN 01 A/T - Fluid Usage
08-010-01 MAY 01 Airbag/Clock Spring - Service
18-012-01 MAY 01 Generic Scan Tool - Reference Information
25-003-01 FEB 01 PCM - MIL ON/Erroneous DTC P1398 (or $BA)
08-006-00A DEC 00 Wiring - Revised Splicing Procedure
21-04-00 JUN 00 TCM - MIL ON/DTC P1763 Set
18-08-00 JUN 00 MIL ON, Erroneous DTC P0107 Set
08-11-00 MAR 00 CD Player - CD Compatibility
18-01-00 FEB 00 EVAP System - Leak Detection Pump Misdiagnosis
23-41-99 OCT 99 Door Weatherstrip - Water Leaks/Wind Noise
24-21-99 OCT 99 Evaporator Drain Tube - Water Leaks Into Interior
26-10-99I OCT 99 ABS - Kelsey Hayes EBC-5H, EBC 310 Test Revisions
02-12-99 AUG 99 Front End Alignment - Adjustable/Offset Ball Joints
23-29-99 JUL 99 Tailgate - Rattling/Chuckling Noise
08-23-99 JUL 99 Radio Communication Equipment - Recommendations
24-13-99 JUL 99 A/C Evaporator - Freeze Up
18-12-99 JUN 99 Leak Detection Pump - Monitor Test
08-07-99 MAY 99 Power Distribution Center - Service
21-08-99 APR 99 A/T - Buzz/Whining in Reverse When Cold
23-09-99 MAR 99 Interior - Water Leak Diagnostic & Repair Procedure
26-03-99G MAR 99 Brakes - Teves Mark IVG and Mark 20 ABS Revisions
26-01-99D JAN 99 ABS/TCS - Diagnostic Test Revisions
08-17-98C DEC 98 Air Bag System - ON-OFF Switch Availibility
25-02-98 OCT 98 I/M Testing - OBDII CARB Readiness Monitor Information
18-32-98 SEP 98 PCM - Flash Programming Failure Recovery
05-03-98A AUG 98 Front Brakes - Pedal Pulsation
26-08-98G AUG 98 Brakes - Bendix® Antilock 9 & 10 Diagnostics Revisions
21-09-98 JUL 98 Transfer Case Shifter - Creaking/Thumping Noise
08-36-98 JUL 98 Auto Computers - Y2K Effects
19-04-98 JUL 98 Steering Column - Boot Squawk
18-22-98 JUN 98 MIL ON, Engine Misfire DTC's Set
18-21-98 JUN 98 Powertrain Control Module - Service Precaution
26-06-98O JUN 98 Interior - Air Bag Service Manual Revisions
23-21-98 MAY 98 Front Seat - Squeaking Noise
26-05-98D MAY 98 Engine Controls/Electronics/Emissions - Manual Revisions
24-03-98 MAR 98 Heater A/C Actuator - Squeaking Noise
05-02-98 MAR 98 Front Brakes - One Click on Initial Application
23-09-98 MAR 98 Tailgate - Rattle/Knock on Rough Roads
26-01-98D JAN 98 Brakes - Kelsey Hayes ABS Manual Revisions
23-64-97 DEC 97 Body Mount - Creaking/Popping Noise
26-12-97C DEC 97 Brakes - Bendix® ABX 4 ABS System Test Revisions
26-12-97F DEC 97 Brakes - Teves Mark IV/Teves Mark 20 ABS Revisions
14-08-97 NOV 97 Engine - High Driveability Index Fuels
24-16-97 NOV 97 Heater A/C Housing - Water Leaks To Interior
24-13-97 OCT 97 A/C Manifold - Refrigerant Leaks
23-49-97 SEP 97 Door Latch - Binds/Door Remains Locked
26-08-97 AUG 97 Brakes - Kelsey-Hayes ABS System Diagnostic Revisions
08-19-97A JUL 97 Fuel Gauge - Inaccurate
24-11-97 JUL 97 A/C Evaporator - Emits Odors
08-24-97 JUL 97 Odometer - LED's Flash When 4 Way Flashers are On
14-06-97 JUL 97 Fuel Pump - Diagnosis
14-05-97 JUN 97 Fuel Tank - Slow to Fill
23-37-97 JUN 97 Hood/Fender - Rattle/Paint Chafing
19-09-97 JUN 97 Steering Column - Clicking Noise When Turning
22-01-97 JUN 97 Tire & Wheel - Runout
26-06-97G JUN 97 Brakes - ABS Diagnostic Procedures Revision
26-06-97F JUN 97 Engine Controls - Oil Pressure Sensor Art Revisions
14-03-97 MAY 97 Fuel Gauge - Inaccurate Readings
23-30-97 MAY 97 Windshield - Stress Cracks
07-03-97 MAY 97 Engine - Coolant Recommendations
18-14-97A MAY 97 MIL ON, DTC's #28, #6A, #9B, #BA Set
231697 APR 97 Soft Top - Improvements
181297 MAR 97 PCM - Erroneous MIL ON/Driveability Improvements
08-09-97 FEB 97 Air Bag - Warning Label Requirements
23-03-97 FEB 97 Black Plastic Body Components - Chalky Residue
080197 FEB 97 PCM - Wire Harness Connector Repair Package
240197 JAN 97 A/C - Evaporator Drain Tube Leaking into Interior
236996 NOV 96 Paint - Fallout Damage Repair
183296 NOV 96 PCM - Erroneous MIL ON/DTC's Set/Hesitation
211496 NOV 96 TCM/TV Cable - MIL ON/False DTC #94 Set
236396 OCT 96 EZ Entry Seat Back Release Cable - Detached
082196A OCT 96 Wiring Harness - Connector Repair Package
050996 OCT 96 Brakes - Noise Explanation
26-10-96D OCT 96 Engine/Steering - Oil Capacity/Pressure Switch Revisions
261096 OCT 96 Service Manual - Revisions/Updates
182696 SEP 96 PCM - Erroneous MIL, and/or Driveability Concerns
235796 SEP 96 Carpet -Poor Fit/Slides
241396 SEP 96 Heater A/C - No Air From Panel Vents
190396 JUN 96 Power Steering Reservoir - Fluid Seepage
26-06-96A JUN 96 A/C - Vacuum Schematics Revisions
260696 JUN 96 Service Manual - Revision
241096 MAY 96 Heater/AC Housing - Water Leaks To The Interior
240896 M
Other than that, I'd echo Tom's comments.
I'm busy Sunday but they invited me any time that I could make it. Thought they would be a pretty good group of guys to wheel with. I figure if I break anything they'll be right there to take in and have it warranted
Tony
Go with those boys first chance ya get!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Seriously, thanks for the list!
tidester, host
Tony
<http://www.geocities.com/jeepboy49028/changes.html>
I've got a 2000 TJ. I've got around 54k miles on it, and haven't run into any problems. As far as I know, the only real problem with the 2000 is the TSB about the debris shield that needs to be added to the engine. There is a place where leaves and other debris can collect, which could catch fire from the engine heat (next to the block). This one seems (to me) to be such a theoretical problem that I've yet to go in to get it fixed.
The only other thing is that I didn't see what model the 2000 was - if it has the 4 banger with the auto, it is going to be a DOG! The 4 with a manual is slow on road, especially at higher speeds, but is acceptable. The auto and 4 are painfully slow on the road. (Off roading wont' be a problem at all.) I imagine you already know this, but it never hurts to add to the mix.
JeepHead
I have a 97 TJ with the 4banger(but a manual) and it struggles at 60+, unless I have a tailwind and am going downhill.
-Paul
I hear you on the K&N. I have one in my Grand Cherokee and had one in my Civic. It improved the mileage on the Civic by a couple mpg. But for offroading, I would definitely keep the good ol' factory filters in there. If I did end up with this TJ, I would use the K&N on the road. I keep em nice and moist.
-Paul
I have a 99 Sahara that had the stock Grizzly rims 15x7's with the 30" wrangler GSA's. I just went with 31x10.5x15 MTR's in December.I know that the rim size is different than the Ruby's 15 vs 16 but my impressions driving with the soft top are that the MTR's are pretty close in noise level at highway speeds to the GSA's.Off road performance is much much better(understatement) with the MTR's than the "Get Stuck Always" tires that were on before.
Just my 2cents.
David
We should have a good day of wheelin' tomorrow.
I'll post tomorrow night and tell everyone how it went.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
-Paul
Oh well, should probly get to bed anyway.
Got some jeepin and battery chargin to do!
I bought a new 97 kept it for 5 years and I decided that I wanted to go in another direction. I bought an 01 Audi A4...after not liking that I bought a 02 Audi TT. While it was a nice vehicle and I did love it...I just could not stop admiring a Jeep everytime I passed one. Well long story short, the Audi is gone and now I am back in a 04 Wrangler sport...nicely equiped may I add. I must say that it just feels "right" to be back in the only vehicle that I ever been truly happy with. Anyways here is what I got and the price...
04 Wrangler sport-red
5speed (the only way to drive a Wrangler in my opinion)
Soft top
30 Canyon Group
Rear-Diff.
7 speaker w/Sub
Rearview mirror
Smokers group
Add a trunk
A/C
Dana
Tint all around
etc.
paid---$21,000.
Pretty good deal if you ask me
Glad you "repented of your sins" and got another Jeep. What were ya thinkin' (when you traded your other Jeep)? Oh well, now you have a brand new one, and I'm sure you appreciate it even more than you would have, if you hadn't been Jeepless for a while.
Thanks for posting and sharing your joy with us. Stick around now and post often.
Where ya from, Back2? Would be cool if we could hook up for some wheelin'.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
We hit most of the fun spots that I like to go to while I am at Turkey Bay, and Paul really had a good time. Heck, I even let Paul drive Thelma Jane through Bronco Gully!
Paul took tons of pics during the day, so when he gets them posted, he can share them with us. He uses webshots, I think. He will also post them in Gill's gallery.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I can't wait to see Paul's photos! Yes, Paul uses webshots and he has some wonderful photos up there.
Thanks..
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2004/n03/10_jeep/1.htm
I have the BFG Mud Terrains in the 31 x 10.50 size, and I like them fine. I do have a 2" lift, but I used to run 31 x 10.50 All Terrains with no lift. There was no problem running like that.
Some people need to add a washer or two to their steering stops to prevent rubbing on the control arms at full turn. This wasn't necessary in my case.
The rubbing on control arms or on spring perches is a backspacing issue. Most factory Jeep wheels are backspaced about 5" or 5.5". Less backspacing would pull the tires outward, away from the frame. This would give more clearance on the inside, but would make the tires stick out more. I now have 15" x 8" AR767 wheels with 4" backspacing. This gives me plenty of room on the inside and makes those 31 x 10.50 Muds stick out past the flares about an inch and a half. I like the looks with the tires sticking out like that.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
It would be hard to say how much each mod took away from gas mileage, Billy. I carry lots of extra weight with the Kilby gas tank skid, the rocker guards, the winch, and two sets of tools in the back.
There's no doubt that the 31 x 10.50 Muds are gonna take their toll on gas mileage, but I would say not more than a couple MPG. I can still get about 16 MPG or slightly better if I take it easy and stay on the highway with no off roading. (Like that is gonna happen.)
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Thanks for all the help.
Bill
Just suck it up on the gas mileage: a Jeep looks SO MUCH better with the bigger tires, especially with bigger MUD tires.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I had a blast! I counted. I have over 200 pictures. I can only post 25 per album at Webshots. Uploading to Gill's will take a while.
Having Thelma up on 3 wheels for a 10 fooot wheelie was too fun.
I'll put the highlights up on webshots, and put the others plus the highlights on Gill's. Sound good?
I'll definitely put some pics of Stan's XJ on there. He's insane on those trails.
-Paul
Gas is just as expensive as it has been and the radio was talking about it going up again. I think I'll have to take out a loan just to afford to get to work and back - I sure wish I lived in central N.J. It's been running well over $2.00 per gallon.
I'm most likely going to put the spacers in, just to be safe from rubbing the tires.
Tom i was reading the bfg muds can handle poorly in wet conditions, and sometimes hydroplane. I read about 50 different opinions about the muds, about 15 of them saying they had some trouble in wet conditions, but otherwise they said they loved them. Just curious what you think about them. Thanks a lot..
Bill
What I mean is that I keep the lateral g forces down in cornering and keep the speed down enough that I shouldn't hydroplane, or would at least be going slow enough to recover if I did hydroplane. I don't push the envelope, in other words.
You couldn't get me to speed up under those conditions if you gave me the uncontested best rain tire in the world.
Having said all that, I have heard it both ways about BFG Muds on wet roads... some people saying no problem, and some folks saying they are not good. I think driving style makes all the difference.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Some people have them siped, which, I guess, is supposed to really improve them for wet roads.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
"Propeller shaft" is just another term for "drive shaft," and there is a front and a rear drive shaft on a four wheel drive vehicle.
I don't know what they are calling the "boot."
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
http://community.webshots.com/user/skimblz_
I come home this afternoon, and should be home by midnight. Oh joy. I'm looking forward to the warm. It's been rather cool here.
-Paul
I'll make it fit. That's the difference between me getting my half doors now, and me not getting them until sometime after summer. Guess I didn't really want them anyway.
Tony
Anyway, I know it is disappointing, since you were counting on getting something for that Jeep.
Oh well, hope you can find some extra cash somewhere to allow you to get what you want for the Jeep.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Axle - Front, Dana 30/186MM
Axle - Rear, Dana 44/226MM
Speakers - 7, Inc Subwoofer/Tweeters
I see the back is dana 44 but why the front dana 30.....
Also how can you tell you have the 7 speaker with the subwoofer..all i counted was 4 speakers in my jeep...by the way i bought it used and the guy who was selling was out of town so his parents were the ones that sold it to me,,and they had no idea what they were selling to me. So i didn't know all the specs...All his parents could say was it had big tires:)
Thanks for the help..
Bill
Tony