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Dawna Gillis Casey, 33, had carefully strapped her two young children into car seats in the back of her new 2010 Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle
It was 8 a.m. and she was driving to her job at a local church where she teaches two-year-olds, but witnesses said Casey was driving fast erratically, and passing other cars in the eastbound lanes of North Tarrant Parkway when and she lost control.
She swerved into the median and then back across to the right shoulder at a speed estimated between 50 and 60 mph.
"Kind of corrected itself, and I thought maybe she'd be okay," said Kellie Mayhew. All of a sudden, it just started going fast again."
The vehicle struck a concrete culvert and rocketed into the air.
"Kinda looked like something out of a movie," said Mayhew, who manages a nearby apartment complex. "Flipped about five times and landed on its side."
The mangled SUV ended up about 60 yards from the roadway. Dawna Casey was killed.
"Everybody was rocking the vehicle and trying to get ... the mother out of the vehicle. They were pulling the babies out of the back when I got up there," Mayhew said.
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/High-speed-Toyota-crash-in-Fort-Worth-leaves- -mom-dead-92510704.html
And this is normal to you guys, eh? We are to shut our eyes and go follow Mel Gibson and his latest tirade instead, huh? Or, root for Lindsay Lohan's welfare in her faux-rehab luxo-retreat just before she starts serving jail time. Nah, those stories are too pedestrian. Actors are notorious screwups at real life issues. Everyone knows that.
But Toyota was the "safe" car manufacturer. They're not used to being the ones under the microscope. For years on the net we've all endured the put-downs of Hyundai and Kia and name your underdog car manufacturer. Toyota is the "safe" car to buy. It will be a safe and reliable transaction for you, because if you don't like it you can always trade your Toyota in for pert-near what you bought it for originally!
See why this is a story of automotive interest...still? Course it is. :shades:
Oops. Should've popped one of these in...I suppose. :sick:
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Not EVERY Toyota crash can automagically be blamed on SUA.
Good Lordy..... :mad:
My Prius has not experienced any issue at all, after almost 50,000 miles,most by a previous owner,but the car has never been in an accident.
They said that her epilepsy was the mild kind and that she wasn't the kind of person to text while driving.
I was initially thinking stroke or heart attack or severe allergic reaction, but it could be something else.
John
Ahem: Gary, this is posted in the "Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall" forum.
If you did not intend to bring SUA into the discussion, why post it here?
Saylor had a seizure disorder too? I didn't know.
John
Not saying that is what happened here but it's a piece of the story.
in NJ one seizure immediately suspends your drivers license and a neurologist has to sign off on letting you back on the road. If you have a second within a year it's suspended a year and continues until you go a whole year without one. In Pennsylvania the first one gets you that year off. They're nothing to dismiss lightly,
I was fortunate in that they figured out what caused mine. Actually the second was from a side effect from - of all things - the anti-seizure drug I was on. The root problem was a clotting factor disorder. I'm on coumadin for that.
Amazingly despite this, a bone marrow problem, a blind eye, arthritis since I was a kid and a host of other issues they haven't seen fit to disable me.
Waking from a seizure is a pretty surreal experience. For the first one I was in my living room one moment and the next thing I knew I'm looking up at the lights in the ER. For the second one I was in the ER when I had it. Because of tests they'd already done they were going to admit me and at one point I ask my wife what's taking so long and she say because of the seizure they needed to get a space on the neurology floor. I say it's been 13 months since the seizure and she says - no, the one you had tonight. News to me!
Actually you probably should not be driving at all if you are that easily frightened, as I think all the brands have been involved in fatal accidents over the years.
Oh, and I guess you forgot to mention the epilepsy thing.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Plain and simple...I prayed about buying the most safe and relaible car to transport my family...The next day, this story about the mom in Fort Worth fell in my lap.
- Most are not in denial, you are paranoid or a conspiracy theorist or something..
- What electronic failures?
- The electronics in my '06 Avalon are fine as are the ones in my '10 Highlander.
- None of my Toyotas, going back as far as a new '86 Camry LE and a '94 LE, have surged at a stop.
In other words, what are you talking about?
John
P.S. - Somebody compared the Saylor wreck with the woman dying and said the wrecks were similar. That's why I mentioned her epilepsy - because the poster said they were similar. Jeez, nevermind. Am I typing in English????
The TSB, issued on August 30, 2002, entitled "ECM Calibration Update: 1 MZ-FE Engine Surging" stated that "Some 2002 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 1MZ-FE engine may exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38-42 MPH with lock-up (l/U) 'ON.' The engine control module (ECM) calibration has been revised to correct this condition."
While the report was brought to light by Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich., prior to the U.S. House Energy Subcommittee on Oversight in late February and first reported on by Automotive News, the actual document had not circulated until this week. CNN began circulating the TSB on its website and through a new report which aired on the channel last night.
http://autos.aol.com/article/toyota-throttle-warning-2002/
For those in denial about Toyota surging try this google search, it has 4.46 Million links.
http://www.google.com/search?q=toyota+surging+problem&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&cli- ent=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGIC_en___US345
PS
My 2007 Sequoia surges forward when stopped, it I don't keep a firm foot on the brakes.
"surge" and "unintended acceleration" are completely different animals.
Looking more and more like driver error and/or outright attempted scams. Sorry folks, looks like you will have to get an honest job because that big payday courtesy of Toyota just is not going to happen.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Aw C'mon, that is the new American way. Take from the Haves and give to the Have Nots.
I did not make much of the way my Sequoia EASES forward as the AC cycles until I bought this 2008 Nissan Frontier. The AC kicks in seamlessly with no rise in RPM. Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board. It may not be a big thing, they all add up to a less sophisticated driving experience. I love that Nissan V6 PU. I have only driven the Sequoia once since April when I bought the PU truck. I hated my Ford Ranger V6 PU truck. It was gutless. This V6 PU will run circles around the V8 in my Sequoia. Without surging when sitting at idle.
PS
I was responding to a Toyota is perfect in every way post. Which does get me going.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Our 1990 LS400 does not surge either. It still runs like a Swiss watch. I wish it would break so I could justify another vehicle to take its place in the garage. It would not be a Lexus or Toyota. Nor a Honda. Not sure what I would replace it with.
"In response to recent quality issues/recalls, Toyota has dispatched its Swift Market Analysis Response Team (SMARTs) to follow up on approximately 3,600 complaints. What was once a five-minute phone call is now two technicians sent, within 72 hours -- and often in 24 hours or less -- to investigate a report. No mysterious unintended acceleration issues have been found as a result of SMART investigations, though the well-publicized floor-mat and pedal issues have been confirmed, Toyota said. Many of the alleged unintended acceleration incidents are different issues altogether, such as an idle-up when the air conditioning is running, Toyota said. Toyota adamantly said SMART investigators found no defects in its Electronic Throttle Control System with Intelligence (ETCS-i)."
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar. (Edmunds Daily)
More:
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Day Two
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Day Three
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Q&A with Akio Toyoda
Does Toyota plan to fix that in its vehicles or just continue to tell their customers " that is the way it was poorly engineered"?
And I respect that a lot more than these Toyota churchboys who still, after all the engine sludge, SUA and idle-surge slop and cover-up, won't admit that their Toyota's were and are poorly designed.
It recalls Captain Smith's attitude about the Titanic, the poor Schlumpf was a respected large ship captain from Europe. Lots and lots of experience he had gained and in fact he was going to retire upon docking at NYC harbor. Incredible.
"Captain, what do you make of all the reports of icebergs all over the North Atlantic, well in our path?"
"No problem, no problem at all. In fact, I've ordered the last two boilers be lit. We're speeding up!"
He said it with complete and utter glee in his voice. That man could've thrown one hell of a party in NYC upon arriving. Instead he sadly had ta go down with the once glorious ocean liner Titanic, sunk on her first voyage!
It's the poster child for being cautious and opening your ears up ta even possible reports of danger. If you were warned of a tornado in the mid-Missouri Ozarks, would you laugh at The Weather Channel? I wouldn't. Not for a second.
Similarly, there's something awry going on with Toyota automobile nerve-center electronics.
You Toyota Captain Smith's are drinking way too much Toyota Kool-Aide. Is it blue raspberry? Or tantalizing lemon? :lemon:
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
>Continuing to yell electronic issues in the face of all evidence to the contrary
Is that the "no evidence therefore it doesn't exist" theory? Remember the chemicals that can kill a person and be virtually undectable (at least on CSI type shows)? That means a person dies at the hands of another (car dies at the hands of its computer failure) and we call it suicide because "there's no evidence of a murder."
LOL.
>only hurts their credibility and brings into question their real motives.
Yes indeed it does. They need to realize there is potentially something wrong in their electronics that DOES NOT leave a record on their apparently mimimal data recording system (which only one computer can read in the USA). All the blasting at anyone daring be scientific and analytical about what's being said is really reminiscent of the oil sludge era, and I'm not talking about the fiasco in the Gulf.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
No, not at all. It is the computer evidence, as reported in the Wall Street Journal, that shows that in every alleged SUA incident, the computer shows that the driver had his foot on the gas pedal and not the brake pedal. Not one person who is involved in the investigation has denied the report. End of story.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
NOT...!!
"...the computer shows..."
COMPUTERS LIE...!!
Ask me how I know.
There's the break in logic. The computer may show but that doesn't mean the foot was actually on the pedal and it may not mean the foot was NOT on the brake pedal. REmember we're dealing with a flaky, minimal computer system here.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I think that reply pretty much typifies the hysterical irrationality that Toyota is forced to try and deal with. Amazing.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
That's a nonresponse from the toyotaphiles worthy of being ignored. Now which part is wrong? Does their box have superpowers that it cannot mistake and think the foot is on the accelerator? That's the whole point of the errors in the electronics.
Remember the Audi's cruise control thought it was supposed to be accelerating.
And the computer system was able to only store a short period of time's record, right or wrong, and then there was only one reader, toyota only could use it, that was in this country. With all the cars they were trying to peddle here, wouldn't they at least have analysis capability for their flakey computer systems?
>I think that reply pretty much typifies the hysterical irrationality that Toyota is forced to try and deal with. Amazing.
It's absolutely appalling the deficient analysis on the part of some. If toyoda says it, it must be true.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Why do they have to be "lying?" Can't they just be "hedging" until the facts are really known?
Look at it this way, if they all of a sudden discovered a "flash" they could pop in to the ECU software and it could be proven that it will stop this 4-1 industry-leading SUA problem for sure, wouldn't we all pop open a bottle of vintage champagne and know that those who insist on driving Toyota products could go get the flashware done at their dealer and be safe once again?
And we could go back to worrying about Lindsay Lohan and her addictions...I...I mean her problems at attempting to live a "normal" life, free from paparazzi and all those pesty people who pretend to love her but only want to see her struggle. Does it remind you of Britney Spears' life at all? Or, was Mel Gibson's ex-GF trying to extort (big hush fills the electronic airwaves) money from him. But why? He's such a nice Australian! See what other stories we're stuck with?
Toyota's is a real story. Only they and their Kool-Aide snorters don't want you to follow it. I wonder-wonder why.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
The WSJ article stated that the investigation showed that every edr checked so far showed that the gas was floored and the brakes were not engaged. There may be some question as to who gave the results to the WSJ but no one has has denied the results.
All the strident cries of Toyota is lying is just a weak attempt to deflect the facts.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
You may be right that it is a deflection. UA may only be floor mats and throttle pedals. And of course the Avalon brought into the dealer with WOT. Do you think Toyota was honest about what was replaced in that Avalon? I have not heard another peep out of that fellow. Did he get handsomely paid off to shut up? Same goes for the supposed person that drove the Lexus and had a stuck floor mat prior to Saylor getting it.
It really is no skin off my nose one way or the other. My Sequoia will do what it is going to do and I don't have one of those flaky push button ignition switches thankfully. I am confident I can overcome any problem with UA. The vehicle is not that fast at accelerating. It is actually somewhat of a pig 0-60 mph.
I'm not sure why the GM, Ford, and Mitsibushi owners find it necessary to rant at length on this forum...........maybe their forums are too crowded?
We've gone over this BEFORE, Gary.
Just because someone lies once, does not make them a "forever liar" and make everything they EVER say again a Lie.
I will give it one more try. It is not Toyota or Toyota's PR people who are doing the investigation. It is NHTSA and NASA, so if anyone is lying about the results it is these folks, not Toyota. NHTSA and NASA have secret ways to figure this out, and besides, they are so smart that they know everything anyway !!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
But you can bet good money that the PR people are earning their money, doing everything they can to "muddy the water".
CarSpace will host them for you for free.