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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon



  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Be careful of what you say, how often you say it, and to whom:)

    Many of the folks who visit this forum, said they have had enough with the FEW folks who think it rides hard, choppy, More Sporty É the few?

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,652
    Ride is subjective. I had an early production 09 Genesis sedan V6 and when I bought it I thought I could live with the sporty ride. After I had it a while I realized that IMO it just frankly rode like crap. I certainly wasn't the only one, but quickly got run off of the Genesis forum and people here even thought I "wrong". I got rid of the car for something else, and sucked up my mistake.

    I hear people on here say how "floaty" such and such a car is, or how "it's all over the road" and I've driven the same cars and think completely different.

    I am surprised at the direction Toyota went with the Avalon. All previous generations rode beautifully and isolated from the outside. I guess that type of ride isn't appealing to the masses any longer.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    I test drove an Avalon Limited this weekend and also a Hyundai Azera with Tech Package. I think the Azera rode better than the Avalon but not by much. Seats in Azera were more comfortable. Biggest problem with the Azera is the windshield rake is about 35¼ while the Avalon is about 50¼. Also the Avalon sits more 'chair' like while the Azera has your butt closer to the floor. Finally, the Azera is about $4000 cheaper and equipped about the same.

    It's going to be a tough decision on which to buy but may just keep my 2011 Avalon Limited with only 13900 miles.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I couldn't agree more, which is why I traded my 2013 in on a 2012 Avalon.

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Please do what I SHOULD have done, which is keep my 2011 Avalon.

    I purchased a 2013, and after only 2300 miles on it, I traded it in on a 2012 Avalon, and have never (well not much) looked back.

    YES the Tech package on the 2013 was awesome
    YES the wipers were a lot quieter (I drive 35,000 miles a year, and when it rains, I do not like the squeaky wipers of earlier Avalons)

    But I did not like:

    - the road noise
    - the ride
    - the seats
    - the smaller trunk opening
    - the spare tire
    - the smaller back seat
    - the lack of the reclining back seats (yes I have a lot of passengers on long trips)
    - the smaller front door pockets

    You get the picture.

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    we got 25.3" in that storm, 6" in the next, 10.5" in the next and are looking at 12-18" in the next few days.

    Damn, I'm going to be ready for a road trip to FL REAL soon at this rate.

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    edited February 2013
    Count your blessing, I and many others feel the 2013 Avalon sound system sucks compared to the 2011, or 2012 Avalons. Ok, maybe it doesn't suck, it's just not as good as the earlier models.

    Heck, some others say the Toyota Sound Systems suck compared to other makes of car, so I guess it too, is somewhat subjected.


    2008 - Touring Avalon, Black on Black
    2011 - LTD Avalon - Crimson Mica Red on Almond
    2013 - LTD Avalon - Cypress Green on Almond
    2012 - LTD Avalon Cypress Green on Almond
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,652
    I had no issue with the JBL on my 06 Avalon. It was on par with other "premium" systems from other manufacturers.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • We are a 2 Avalon couple now. My wife has a '13 Limited V6, and I, a '13 Ltd. Hybrid.
    As a prior owner of a 1996 and a 2005 Avalon Ltd., the reason we got rid of those 2 cars was due to the "old folks" ride being so floaty and mushy handling. (not to mention we sell our cars every 2 +/- years). Don't get me wrong, the Avalon's were great cars, but as we aged a bit, got the kids out, we grew to prefer a car that was a bit more connected to the road, and the driver. The previous Avalon's were not. After a Infinity G35x, Corvette Convertible, Miata, 3- BMW's, and a '12 Camry, the new Avalon was a fresh approach. A large car, plenty of room and comfort, and better ride and handling (For our tastes, that is).

    The Ltd. with 18" wheels does ride a bit firmer than my Hybrid with 17" wheels. We found tire pressures at 40 PSI after delivery, and after adjusting to 35, the ride softened some. You do feel more of the road imperfections with this new suspension, but they both still have what we consider a compliant and comfortable ride. A HUGE improvement over prior models. I do prefer my Hybrid with 17" wheels over the better half's Ltd. with 18" wheels. The Hybrid is so quiet, composed, and gets 39 MPG real world fuel economy, if you drive it a bit conservative.

    I feel for a couple people who say they purchased a '13, and did not like the ride as much. But cars of today are going to be tighter, less floaty, and handle better. That is what the vast majority of new car buyers are looking for. A few will not like this. Can't please everyone with one model. Maybe that is why there are so many car makers, and models? The new Avalon is not for them. Did you see where the sales of 2012 Avalon's were going? Toyota made the right decision on this new 2013 model, and the sales will double or triple this year.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think of the sun shade as just something else to break.

    You've missed the whole point. Toyotas DON'T BREAK! Use it with confidence.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I've driven trucks with better rides. I will be getting another car in a year (or sooner)....maybe the new model Acura RLX

    The Honda/Acuras ride much "sportier" and are considerably noisier. I'm not sure where to send you - the "Boulevard Ride" is vanishing rapidly. I liked it too.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I had an early production 09 Genesis sedan V6 and when I bought it I thought I could live with the sporty ride. After I had it a while I realized that IMO it just frankly rode like crap.

    AMEN AMEN AMEN! ME TOO!!! I have found Hyundai misses this boat a lot.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I for one, think they could have made the 2013 the same size as the 2012 (exterior / interior), same style / design, same cool features (albeit some are not new to other manufactures), and had a:

    - Base Model
    - Sporty Model
    - Old farts Model

    And in doing so, they would have achieved the same sales numbers (actually, likely would have been better, heck I'd still own mine).

    Again, they make a:

    - Base Model Camry
    - Sporty Model (with Sports Suspension & Paddle Shifters)
    - Deluxe Model

    These use to come with a 4cyl or 6cyl option and they could do that with the Avalon. Ok so a 4cyl wouldn't work to good, but a 3.0 and a 3.5 or 3.6 or some other size could be achieved at a reasonable cost.

    Sure seems like a easy, cheap fix, to in-fact "Please everyone".

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Hi folks. Not sure if this is anything anyone else has come across, but my 2012 transmission seems to slip a fair amount (much more when it's cold).

    When I say slip, I mean, when I give it the gas, it will rev up sometimes, and not move or move very little, while other times it will jerk around like a wild horse. The engine will rev / jump from 2,000 rpm to 4000 back and forth, back and forth. It will do this until it shifts to a higher gear and will stop doing it after 5 - 10 minutes?

    On one occasion while going up a steep hill, it starting going backwards while I was giving it the gas. It caught up to itself and started jerking forward until it caught and went forward.

    Anything anyone else has seen / had and if so, what was the fix?

    A friend who works at another brand dealership, said it seemed like the torque convertor?

  • solara01solara01 Posts: 4
    Oh Yes, The Audio... My first look at 2013 Avalon was in the showroom looking at the Touring model. I commented that my 2001 Solara had better sound. I also noticed that the XLE had better sound than the Touring car.

    I bought the Limited model. It comes with the upgraded audio and it rocks. My only issue is that the high end treble could be better. I think why the Touring and high end in my Limited suffer is because there is more sound deadening in the interior for a quieter ride. Still, better tweeters in the limited would be an improvement.
  • solara01solara01 Posts: 4
    Thanks Lucky You,

    We can't all have that luxury of changing cars so often, but what you state is true.

    I will look into the tire pressure on my new car (limited tech pack). If you go to Toyota Owners. You will find a video that shows tire pressure from the info apps selection. For some reason this did not make into the production models. I have already contacted Toyota to add it back in as a software upgrade. This is my field and should be an easy thing to do.

    For curious buyers looking in, if you are considering any luxury sedan, you should give this car a test drive. You are going to get the reliability and luxury items at a fraction of the cost. I do not work for Toyota nor am I a sales person. It is just my opinion that they did a great job on this car and I would have not bought it otherwise.

    Hope this helps.
  • allavalonsallavalons PennsylvaniaPosts: 67
    Check your transmission fluid level. That is the classic sign of a low fluid level. When cold it slips and as it warms up it seems to go away. Had that happen on a Honda and as soon as I added a little Trans Fluid it went away. Don't let that go on for very long or it will become a mechanical issue.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 591
    The slippage can easily be caused by lack of fluid pressure... and the reason could easily be... low fluid.. good idea as a place to start... check carefully.
  • nchinchi Posts: 4
    edited March 2013
    For those fols with the Touring Edition, the specs says front passenger is only 4 way power. I assume these are fore/aft, recline up/down. Question is does it have a way to raise/lower seat manually?

  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Skip - Allavalons & fin are exactly right about the fluid level, but WHY ISN'T THIS CAR AT THE DEALER ALREADY??? It's a 2012? Isn't it covered by the warranty??
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think it goes up,down,fore,aft. Then you recline it manually.
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    I tried really hard to get into a new Avalon Limited, but there is very limited availability of that model here in the Pacific Northwest. Test drove it 3 times and tried to find the front seats comfortable and the ride smooth, but it just wasn't working for me. This is really minor but I found the glove compartment door very cheap feeling.

    Even tested the Hyundai Avera, an amazing car, but the windshield rake got to me. Were it not for that I'd buy the Azera in a heartbeat.

    Gave up and decided to keep my 2011 Avalon Limited with 14,000 miles.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    A few reasons.

    It has been and it didn't act up to the point they thought it was an issue (hasn't acted for them, like it likes for me).

    They haven't offered a loaner while I leave my car there for a few days so they can check it out longer, and I use my car daily, hell I'm leaving for Boston right after I hit the "Post my Message" button:)

  • daveinvadaveinva Posts: 6

    I've been following this thread for a while, inasmuch as I recently purchased a 2013 Avalon Touring model and experienced the same ride quality concerns previously discussed with respect to the new 2013 model. I thought I'd pass along my experience and what I have found from my research.

    Let me begin by saying that I'm not coming from an earlier Avalon with the nice, soft, cushy ride. My previous cars over the years were an Acura TL 3.2, a Nissan Maxima and the Avalon's predecessor, the Toyota Cressida. There are 4 trim levels for the '13 Avalon, the XLE and XLE Premium are equipped with the standard 17" rims with P215-55R17 tires, and the XLE Touring and Limited come with the "optional" 18" rims with P225-45R18 tires. My Touring model has the Bridgestone Turenza EL400 tires. I've been riding it around for the last few the car except for the harsh/noisy ride (harsh on the bumpier local roads, and noisy on the high speed interstate).

    I didn't get much satisfaction discussing ride quality with the sales or service folks at the dealer, so I went over to a local tire/rim/suspension customization shop in town. First thing he did was check tire pressure. All 4 tires were 6-7 pounds above the recommended 33 psi. After lowering to spec, there is a marked improvement in ride, although the road noise is still present due to the tires (more on that later). I also got the dealer to let me test ride an XLE Premium model with the 17" rims. I immediately noticed that this model was equipped with Michelin Primacy MVV4 tires.

    The ride with the 17" Michelins is MUCH better than the ride with the 18" Bridgestones, although the lowered pressure now in the Bridgestones has helped the bumpy ride in my Touring model a fair amount. The 17" Michelins take the bumps and expansion joints in stride, while the tighter suspension helps the control of the vehicle in general. The take-away here is that you cannot ride the Avalon with the 17" rims and expect that the ride with the "optional" 18" rims will be similar, because they are not! Also, the Michelins are much quieter than the Bridgestones at freeway speeds.

    With respect to the Toyota provided OEM tires, I recommend taking a look at the reviews of the Bridgestone Turenza EL400 over on the website. These are poorly rated by the majority of reviewers, and are at the opposite end of the spectrum compared with the Michelin Primacy MXV4's, yet the retail costs are not that far apart. I have not submitted my customer satisfaction survey yet to Toyota, but one question will be asked is how come there is such a disparity in the tires provided for the Avalons? Be aware, however, that Michelin does not make the Primacy MXV4 tire in the size to fit the 18" rim, but instead offers the Primacy MXM tire, which is a newer design, which offers a little more performance and a little less ride comfort than the Primacy MXV4 (but probably better than the Bridgestone). Probably 50% of the ride improvement in the Avalon with the 17" rims is due to the extra sidewall with the smaller rims, and the other 50% in the ride improvement is due to the better tire.

    What I'd like to suggest to Toyota is that they adjust their marketing of the Avalon to allow customers to choose whether or not they want to upsize the wheels on the Touring and Limited models to the "optional" 18" size. Right now, if you want the bells and whistles on the Touring and Limited, you are forced to take the larger 18" wheels. There is a trade-off here between a little better look to the tire vs. a better ride. Toyota would be smart to give that choice to the customer. It also would be nice if the dealer/sales folks would educate the potential Avalon customers as to the trade-off involved. Of course, when sales are brisk there is reduced incentive to do something along these lines.

    For myself, I'm going to ride my Touring model with the 18" Bridgestones (set at the correct 33 PSI) for a while and see how that goes. FYI, the custom shop guy said I could lower the PSI down an additional 2-3 pounds to soften the ride a little more, but to stay above 30 PSI, to avoid having the TPMS trigger an alert (I believe he said it triggers around 7 PSI below the normal "set" value).

    I hope this info helps the other folks here on the forum!
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,652
    I can't believe Toyota is still using that crappy disgrace of a tire (EL 400). Don't worry about riding on them too long, on my 06 Avalon they were toast by 27K with regular rotations (35PSI). They will get noiser as they wear as well.

    The 06 was a such a great riding car even with that tire, but was even better with the Goodyears I put on afterward.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • almattialmatti Posts: 164
    I've begun a journey to replace my 2010 Infiniti G37X coming due on the lease this summer. I have two categories for either I) a similar sized car ( Lateral selection) or upgrade to little larger car II) ( Upgrade Selection).

    I) wait for the new 2014 G37X(summer of 2013); 2013 Acura TL SH_AWD; 2013 Lincoln MKZ Limited AWD; 2013 Buick LaCross AWD Limited; Nissan Maxima V-6 SL; a Hyundai or Kia ( not sure which model yet). Volvo S60 T-6 AWD(?); BMW 335 iX; even a 2013 Subaru Legacy 3.6R Limited (if it were a bit more upscale - it would very tempting {we own a 2010 Legacy 2.5i Premium which is a very good, solid commuter car].

    II) 2013 Infiniti M37X; 2013 Audi A-6 3.0 Quatrro; 2013 MB E350 4Matic; Toyota 2013 Avalon; 2013 Lincoln MKS.

    So I tested the Avalon the other day. My impressions are that as cited the Limited model rode harsh over local bumpy roads. Relatively smooth and quiet (I did not take it on the highway on this drive), The salesman didn't tell me that there are different handling settings. I found it to lag just a little ( 6 speed auto tranny) though not as bad as my 2010 G37X with a 7AT (check out those forums for the complaints about that Tranny). Handled pretty well, but I agree with other posters, the EL400 SUCK. they were probably filled too high IMO. The radio was so-so, a bit too Boomey for my liking. Nice looking car with a brilliant HD screen (everything is touch screen with buttons for the various selections : Radio, Navi, BT, etc. The buttons react almost too quickly (the salesman explained that there is new technology at work where the buttons react to your body heat). Many features that the M have as extras in a required technology package are included with the Avalon such as heated and cooled front seats, sliding rear shade, sideview mirrors that point down when in reverse, Blind side monitors, puddle lights, etc . And it's $20 K cheaper !!! ($60 K vs. $40K)

    as I continue the evaluation process / shopping. I would give the Avalon a second look and more thorough test drive. 0% or .09% financing would serve to offer even stronger reconsideration in this category. That's not available NOW, but 4-6 months things change.
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    I have test driven the Premium with 215/55 17" tires and the Limited with225/45 18" tires and I was not able to discern much difference between the 2 rides. Admittedly the tests were on different roads and a week apart. I also drove a Hyundai Azera which had 245/40 19" tires and it seemed to ride much smoother than either Avalon and also seemed to handle better than my 2011 Avalon Limited.

    There must be other suspension geometry things that are causing the new Avalon to ride more harshly than just the tire size.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I was told by Toyota it's the following:

    - Tires
    - Rims
    - Shocks and the rest of the suspension. They are going for a more firm ride (maybe a bit sorry they didn't give options here)
    - Tire Pressure
    - Seat
    - Person's size, person's weight, person's butt size / shape

    to name butt a few reasons.

    Not to mention, what is smooth and what is rough. Each person has a different thought on this.

  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 123
    There's a report in the April issue of Motortrend comparing the new Avalon Limited with a Maxima and Azera. The Avalon won top honors just ahead of the Maxima. Their main complaint with the Avy is hard seats front and back and a harsh ride, which we keep hearing on this board.

    The thing that caught my eye was the price as tested figure - Just short of $43,000.00 WOW!! Now granted this was a loaded Avy with the Tech package. But, just to compare numbers, I bought a loaded 2013 Volvo S60 (FWD) with a Tech package this summer. The MSRP was over $1,000.00 less.

    BTW, I had a 1998 and a 2005 Avalon, which were great cars, so I'm not a Toyota or Avy basher.
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