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the Jag dealer has no problem taking the '01 in for trade next month when our Jag comes in, but did ask "does the rado have that engine knock when cold?"..........Doh!!!!
i have heard the knock in my wife's truck no matter what the temp is when it's cold.
funny thing is that the wife's will surely beat my '00, but then again it ('01) has more ping to it so it might just be that it's advanced.
I haven't read the above articles yet, but it seems like both good news and bad. It's good news that it's finally happening; The bad is: 1.) Given that lawyers take the lion's share, if successful, are we all going to wind up with 500 bucks? Hardly worth the effort. 2.) Unless GM settles, it could be a many years court battle. I could be pushing up daisies before it's over.
On a similar note, it's finally dawned on me that auto warranties are like insurance policies, paid for in the purchase price. And just like an insurance company increases its bottom line by denying claims, so does.........Well, duhhh!
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Stock/quarterly.asp?Country=USA&- amp;- amp;- amp;Symbol=GM&stocktab=finance
-David
kip
the tech apologized and said sometimes a phone call breaks his routine and things like this happen...........imagine having your fan blast thru your radiator because some bozo got a phone call during the replacement of your engine.........LOL
1. What should GM do to fix / replace vehicles with a knock?
2. What must GM do to comply with the requirements of its 3 year / 36 month warranty?
I think it is safe to say most owners of knockers want the vehicle fixed / replaced or something done to make them feel whole.
But in a lawsuit what is right means nothing - what is the law will determine the outcome if this goes to trial.
Go look at the CONTRACT you signed when you purchased your vehicle. You will not find anything in this agreement that gives you one ounce of protection for an engine that makes a noise on start up. You will also not find anything that gives you any assurance of what the vehicle will be worth when you sell it. In fact I would bet all of our sales contracts have some wording in them that says something like "There are NO warranties, expressed or implied made by the seller or manufacturer except the written new vehicle warranty that is offered by the manufacturer. Seller disclaims all warranties including any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose" In other words - Even if all our engines die at 36,001 miles and the market value of our vehicles is ZERO - GM has no LEGAL obligation.
The only way a lawsuit will do any good is if it puts pressure on GM to do the "right thing" - the threat of bad publicity and lost future sales could force GM to settle. Even if a jury finds GM responsible it would most likely be overturned on appeal.
Most Lemon Laws include a clause about Loss of Value because of a defect.
It is a no brainer that an engine that knocks at startup will be worth a lot less than one that doesnt knock and maybe even Non-Sellable.
z71bill;
You make some interesting and valid points. But, as I read it in my contract, the clauses you note refer to the dealer and NOT the manufacturer. My contract follows those with, "This provision does not affect any warranties covering the vehicle that the manufacturer may provide". I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to know much about it; In the end, it seems that the crucial thing is regardless of how much responsibility they do or do not accept, can an attorney convince a jury that GM is negligent in their customer's "loss"?
-David
In any case it will be an uphill battle to prove a truck with a 10-30 second start up knock has a major defect or is "non-sellable" given the plain fact that many of these vehicles are bought and sold every day. Since I have not heard of anyone with an engine failure as a result of the knock - and at this point thousands of knocking vehicles have over 100K miles on them it makes me wonder how much the $ damages will really be.
Maybe we will end up with $1,000 discount coupons that can be used to purchase new GM trucks!! Ala - side saddle gas tank case.
-David
If I were a betting man - I would put my money on the lawyers getting all the cash - the truck owners getting extended warranties (maybe 200,000 miles) and maybe a discount coupon to buy new trucks. I just think the chance of a major buy back or engine replacements is slim to none.
knocking ever since it had about 15k. It still does it in below freezing temps. It now has about 55k on it. Well out of warranty. Do people like me have any case against GM??
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My trucks 5.3 has been knock'in since 17k miles and has 45k now. Does it everytime it starts when engine is cold, lasts for minute or two (longer in the winter temps)then goes away. I have the "letter" from GM that warranties the problem for 100k or 5 years, but it's probably better off on the bottom of a bird cage for all it's worth !
Ray T.
cowboyjohn
What's ON your truck and what's BEHIND it? I've seen some big 5ht wheels and stock trailers behind 2500s and I think I'd rather have a dually if I went over...OH,WAIT! You said 9000lbs ? I was thinking of MY max tow rating.You'll be fine,just a little slow on the hills.Make sure your trailer brakes work.
I hope to have the truck around the first of the year and hopefully the incentives will be as good or better then.
Robert
Let us know when the truck arrives.
Ray T.
Thanks, Michael
I think you will be pleased with this truck.
Good luck!
manual tranny: don't forget about bumper to bumper traffic and your knees.
1/2 ton: carefully research your payload and towing requirements.
I never had any problems pulling whatever was hooked behind. Of course if you're in traffic jams everyday, and you have a bad left knee like I do, this would be a thing to consider.
Both types are PF59 AC Delco (the new ones have a recycle symbol on them) same part number on both labels also
Comparing the 2 they look different.
1. The gasket on the new one is thicker
2. The little divits (holes) in the top had 5 in the old one and 6 in the new one
3. You can see inside (actual filter area) easier on the new ones.
Just wondering if anyone had any comments. I know it was discussed awhile back
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Ryan
2000 Silverado LS 5.3 V-8 Z71 Ext Cab Indigo Blue
Tom
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0207_mag/
http://www.off-road.com/ford/reviews/filtermag/
Just bought an 04 GMC Sierra SLE ext cab. White with a tan interior. I did'nt like the "dark pewter" cloth interior that GM uses for about 95% of the trucks I've seen. It's like sitting in a bucket of tar. Had to hunt around for the tan interior, and one showed up last week at the closest dealer to me. Tan is probably more difficult to keep clean, but I'm pretty fastidious about keeping my vehicles in top shape.
Anyway, I have ordered a Leer topper from a local distributor (I have to carry around a lot of stuff).
I've also ordered a "Bedrug". Does anybody have any comments on these?
I also got a card from GMAC for a special promotion. GMAC will make the first two payments (up to $2000) if you finance through them. That's what pushed me over the edge to buy one now.
I got 4.9% rate, financed 18 months (and GMAC is making the first two). Payments are whoppers, but I only have to make 16 of them.
Love this truck.
Mikey
Eholland, I did my first oil change @ 3k and thereafter every 5k, 45k do date so far. I'll change earlier if light comes on but that usually only happens when I do a lot of trailering. Average seems to be 4500m when light comes on when trailering. Hell the manufactorer says to change @ 7500m intervals, I'd only consider that if using a synthetic.
Ray T.
You always make sure you dont go beyond the owners manual requirements, however you dont go by milage or time. Isnt the owners manual requirement to change the oil at a certain milage or time interval? Seems a little hypocritical to me
The 8.1 was first available in '01 replacing the 7.4 with more power, higher tow ratings and better fuel economy. I get 13 on the highway (empty)compared to 10 in a '89 w/454 and aprox the same weight and axle ratio.
DRW pros and cons: Dual rear wheels contribute a lot to stability when towing or hualing, especially in the wind. There's less sidewall flex with more tires and a wider stance.
Your tow rating goes down slightly with DRW because your GCVW is the same for duallies as it is for SRW. DRW are harder to park and wear out more tires in the same number of miles.
hope this helps.
kip
I don't think they offer a 5 spd with V8 any more. Not for the last couple years.
i'd think the magnets would be better served around my JL bass...........LOL
00 Z-71 still running great... my bud just got a 04 K3500 stdCab DRW dump body & 8.5 Fisher blade... man talk about go anywhere... bring on the snow
Hope everyone had a great T-Day... now for the next comercial holiday... :-(
matthew