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-twylie
did some yard work..And of course went cruising topless again...3 days in a row...
But, i'm not pressing my luck..just put the top back up. Got rained on a little today, but no biggy...
Got Jeep?
BamaTazz
Sahargal: how do you sleep knowing your jeep is almost there?
Don't know if I ever mentioned that I never did take delivery on that green wrangler. I need to resolve a parking issue first. I am trying to keep my cherokee and I don't have space for two cars. The dealer said he would hold it for a while (with my deposit of course). I'll have to check back tomorrow to see if they still have it.
Hope everything works out for you. Good luck!
KarenS "Jeep Wrangler Owners: Photo Gallery" Feb 7, 2001 11:00am
Madman, could you please go into the Photo gallery topic, delete your last post, and then repost it? I cannot view the topic with Netscape (no one can) because your image files end with something else other than .jpg (they end with ".jpg.orig.jpg"). You need to change them to ".jpg".
You can set the width of the image by adding width="640" height="480" after the URL to your image file. For example, [img src="your image file URL here" width="640" height="480"]. Replace the [ and ] with < and >.
Hope this helps!
lookin4 - I think what your talking about is something else. The mpg "sounds" good, but sludge? What's that all about? I am getting 18 to 20 mpg, I am happy with that. 50 mpg would be nice, but the inline 6 is a small tractor engine, built for power. The fact it can get the mileage it does is impressive. My Harley got 35 to 40 mpg, but I never tried to cross a mud hole or go down roads made by goats (well not sober anyway).
tsjay - sorry I didn't make it tonight it was such a nice day and ..
Drew - Thanks for the info, as soon as I get them developed, I'll give it a try.
When I cleaned the jeep up, I noticed the water had sprayed inside the engine space. Do I get some kind of jeep points for "taking her that deep"?
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292490493
Madman
They said it was the seal where the heater housing goes through the firewall. That tip about the foam rubber seal being saturated with water really helped them to find the leak. Tonkadave said his was seal was wet, and when I checked Thelma Jane, hers was too. I passed that on to the service manager, and he said that was good info. Thanks, Tonks!
So good to have my baby back!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I'm not very knowledgeable about cars...
so where is this heater housing located so i can keep an eye on it.
I have a new web site guys..
its
http://www.geocities.com/bamatazz2001/index.html
Keep Jeepin
BamaTazz
Now remember Bama....behave yourself :-)
Hug your Jeeps for me today! ;-)
dwrangler
Now I am wondering about a mild lift kit.
Isn't somebody here a sales type for one of these outfits?
Also, what is the trick again to avoid rubbing? (I know it involves washers on some stop up front to decrease turning radius, but where and how?)
What I am looking for in lift is maybe a 1-2" lift, but do not need the monster type of application. Maybe a mildly stretched set of springs and shocks. Looking for a quality kit with good instructions.
What I found ranges from $89 to just under $400.
here:
https://www.4wd.com/shop4wd/ProductList.asp? FamId=CAPFMAFPFNKPB2TD43N1748FHWPEP8T7&PFamId=UnderBody
and this from http://www.4x4warehouse.com/
Trailmaster
97-99 Wrangler, TJ, 2'' lift $ 237.59
Includes even shocks, 4-N7 shocks
and
TeraFlex 2" Suspension Kit, TJ, 1997-01
Product Number: 28
This basic coil suspension provides added lift to clear up to 32 x 11.50 tires. This kit includes four coil springs (front & rear), four bump stop extensions and one rear track bar bracket kit.
$379.95
here is the link......
http://www.fleetair.com
Grand Cherokee Limited wheels on that Cherokee, eh?
Drew
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http://www.rockgearinc.com/RGI%20home%20page.htm
This one is really cool, but VERY pricey. See through, with roof rack, plus "configurable".
http://www.roadarmor.com/tj_stealth.htm
Here's another thing that happened: it came in with speed control and Dana 44 w/Trac Lok. The sales manager is still selling it to me for $200 below the invoice price of the way it was supposed to be optioned! Yep. $21, 437. (That's $200 below Edmunds invoice price which only includes base, options and destination)
What I'm a little uncomfortable about is this $399 processing fee. He said it's for paper work and the other processing type stuff. It's on their sales agreement form as, "Nalley Services."
I don't remember paying this before, but it's been a long time since I bought a car. There was also some kind of security etching already done to the windows for $197. He said they do it on every car they get for insurance reasons. Anyone heard of this before??
The sales manager did not add any type of advertising fees to the total, even though there was $285 worth of charges on the invoice. No charge added for the Owner Loyalty mail stuff or the 8 gallons of gas either.
That processing fee and etching thing are the only dubious part of what just might be an incredible deal.
What do you think??
That "paper work" fee is much higher than I have ever heard of. All dealers that I know of charge some kind of fee, but it's usually no more than $200, and often much less than that. (They charged me $149 "Customer Service Fee" on Thelma) It still sounds like you got a great deal, though.
That etching thing on the windows sounds like a rip off to me. It's probably a good thing to do, but they should give the customer the option as to whether or not this should be done by them. I'm sure it could be done MUCH cheaper somewhere else! They just use it as a way to put more profit into the deal, I'm sure.
Regardless of that, you DID get a good deal, so just enjoy that Jeep!
Be sure and post some pics as soon as you can and tell us about all the fun you are having!
CONGRATULATIONS, GAL!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
As for the etching i've never heard so much hooey. Insurance purposes? Who's insurance? Definitely not yours! Do they want you to pay their insurance premiums too? If they want to get the etching done to the vehicles they get to reduce their insurance that's fine (of course, the customer should be able to say no). But they should be the ones to pay for it, not the customer who didn't ask for it.
Of course, i paid nearly 22k (out the door) for my sport so you may want to eat it. *shrug*
Bob
Edmunds does not include ad fees in their invoice pricing, probably because of the variation in them across the country.
The ad fees could be part of the difference.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I almost feel like the deal itself is so good that it's not worth worrying too much about it. That window etching I mentioned earlier does bother me. I haven't had a chance to speak with my insurance agent about how it might lower my auto insurance. If it does lower my rates, then it's not such a rip off.
The price of $21,437 with 30" wheels, Dana 44, Trac Lok, metal doors, Cruise, add a trunk, and sentry key, sounds pretty darn good, no matter how you slice it!
I can't explain what's going on there. Have you actually SEEN these invoices, or are you going by what the dealers have told you?
The one in Pa sounds too low, and the one in NY sounds about right. Is the one in Pa maybe a Canadian Jeep? I hear that because of the exchange rate on our currency and theirs that Jeep can be bought much cheaper up there and that some dealers buy them and sell them here.
Thelma Jane's invoice was $21,883.00, with $285 in ad fees included in that figure.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The NY invoice is $21,373 with a $400 advertising fee included in that number. There is no additional processing fee or dock fee it is sometimes called like saharagal was charged. Don't know what is up with that?
For $21,883 what options does that include. Can't remember, did you pay 100 or 200 over invoice. Hope you don't mind me asking but I need something to compare to before I actually purchase..... Sahargal definitely got a great deal. Also just checked out tazz's jeep.....pretty sweet.
Not to confuse you but when I say edmunds price is 21,320's, I add the $400 NY advertising fee to edmunds 20,920's price.
As for the etching fees, see if they show the same $197 etching on a Grand Cherokee on the lot. If they do, tell him you'll pay 20% ($40) of the total, since you only have ONE glass window on your Jeep! The Grand has at least 5, so your cost should be no more than 20%... I would refuse to pay it if you didn't ask for it, but considering it sounds like you're getting trak-loc for free, maybe just push for for Jeep shirts and goodies. Either way, by tomorrow afternoon it won't matter.
Good luck and at least drop in for a quick update tomorrow.
-twylie
For all you see there, the invoice was $21,883.00 including the ad fees and destination charge. I paid $149 for processing fee and tax and license on top of the $21,883.00, plus the $200.00 over invoice we agreed to.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
http://www.members.aol.com/tjoh298765/thelma.html
you REALLY need to see the invoice.
that way you can break down the cost...
remember Ad fees are part of the invoice
$285 for mine.
$399 for doc fees!!!I need to file new car papers in Atlanta..thats a rip off..$399 to file papers. But then again if your geeting the DANA & Tracloc..for free..its a wash out. Whats your
total "off the lot" price?
Again..Congrats on the sahara!! You will love it!
LOOKIN! thanx for the compliment on TAZZ
Keep Jeepin!
BamaTazz
http://www.geocities.com/bamatazz2001/index.html
It's:
Vehicle Price: $21,437($1346 worth of options and destination)
7% tax: OUCH! $1,542
tag, title, etc. $41
Processing and fees $399
Secure Etch $197
For a grand total of:
$23,616 out the door--that's if I actually do pay for the Secure Etch, which is buggung me more and more! I really don't think I want to pay it. The $399 I guess sounds like it's reasonable around these parts!
Now you all know all my business! :-)
But, you DID get a great deal! There's no denying that!
You'd better do some serious posting now. You gotta share your joy with us. I'm dying to hear your first impressions and how your kids like it. (Isn't it sad to refer to that poor little Jeep as an "it?" You need a name for her!)
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Happy Jeepin'
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Wonder why the dealer in NY is not charging me a doc fee? He gave the final numbers with tax and there is no doc fee included. Title, tags and license is an additional $72. Plus $13 for a full tank of gas plus 8.5% sales tax. That was it.
hmmmm....maybe 350 over invoice isn't so bad if there is no doc fee....I better check with the dealer again just so I am not putting my foot in my mouth......
Saharagal....talk about ouch...sales tax here in NY is 8.5%....double ouch!!!
Don't know why the doc fee is so low. Anyone have any ideas?
I found a page with a really slick trailer/tent:
http://www.webejeepin.com/Camper.htm
-twylie
the 3 local dealers i looked at around Bham only 1 had a doc fee on $100.
You guys are paying WAY too much sales tax on a car. Only 3.125% in Bama.
I paid $23,161 out the door for TAZZ
but..I had to pay $810.00 in sales tax when I got back to Bama.
On the big pic I belive you got a good deal. I'm sure the Jeep will be worth every penny.
Congratulations again. Give that TJ a name.
Now we gotta get DWrangler in a Jeep
Got Jeep?
BamaTazz
What have you guys been doing out there?
By the way, I don't have to pay for the Secure Etch--whether it's on the car when I get there to take delivery or not!
I am not a believer in extended service contracts, but I'm guessing many people swear by them and will have experience of them saving big money by getting them. My thought is if you have the money to pay for them in cash up front, take that money, tuck it away, and use it to make sure you do ALL maintenance per spec. I also endorse finding a service manager that you trust and let them do everything that you don't do. I change my own oil, battery, alternator (all the bolt on stuff), but generally let them do major services like brakes, coolant, tranny service. If you have a relationship with the service mgr and they know you take care of your vehicle they are more likely to go to bat for you if something fails out of warranty. I've foiund they have a fair bit of discretion in covering stuff even after the warranty has lapsed. If you want to finance the service contract, buying it up front generally is the cheapest way to go. The pricing is as negotiable as the Jeep.
BamaTazz - taxes... I wouldn't mind the taxes if I thought they were supporting a good school system and a well maintained infrastructure, but GA has neither right now, so I feel pretty shafted. Even without kids, I'd like to see better school systems in our state. On the other hand, I grew up in VA, where the schools were very good and taxes were still reasonable. Maybe the fact that my part of the state wasn't growing nearly as fast as the ATL metro area explains it.
-twylie
In general, I am sort of against them, since you have your original warranty to protect you for the first 36,000 miles. If you have a lemon, you ought to know it by the time that original warranty expires. If you get through your first 36,000 miles with no serious problems, then I think that you will probably be able to count on at least 100,000 miles before you are looking at major repairs. I also believe that the extended warranties are available right up until your original warranty expires, so you can still buy one if you have experienced problems in your first 36K miles and you are concerned about long term reliability. They cost more then, but you can still get them.
Like Trey said, if you get one, please remember that the price is very much negotiable! There is a huge mark up for the dealer in those policies.
Got that Jeep yet?????
You'd better post! I want to hear all about it!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Let's see some posting and chatting on your part!
We miss you!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
keep that baby shining.....I know black is tough to keep clean.
yellowman