Yes, the 05'+ Odysseys have a vibtration defect also. When you are at a stop light in drive, the engine transmits vibrations to the car.
The EX-L & Touring Odysseys have active type engine mounts. This means the mounts adjust & move position with a solenoid valve. Apparently these mounts were not fully tested and will not dampen the motions 100% of the time.
There is a TSB for replacing collapsed engine mounts. Ours were replaced with no success.
My opinion is the mounts sometime "forget" to return to the idle setting after driving on the highway. I found this to be the case with my '06 EX-L.
You can help fight this issue. Have your car repaired per the TSB-050 service bulletin - they will replace your A-pipe & exhaust hangers. Also, have your engine mounts replaced per TSB-??? (collapsed engine mounts). See if any of these "band-aids" help.
After having the repairs done, if you are not satisfied...call American Honda 1-800-# and open a case. Tell them your car still drones after all the repairs were done.
I can help you...if you need copies of work orders, I will post them.
Thanks for your help. My car already replaced engine mount one time. And service man said my car did not have problem, A-pipe so he didn't replaced it. They fixed right side sliding noise but still I heard especially during the cold weather. And he also changed power steeling pump. All this thing happend before 7,000miles. As I mentioned, my car has 20,000miles right now. Do I still have a chance to fight with them? If I can, please let me know. My email address is davidbhlee@msn.com
I've noticed a few times that after I've driven an hour or so, when I slow down to turn into my road, the front of my 06 Ody seems 'louder'. Esp when I turn the wheel, to either sides, it doesn't matter. I've already had it in for vibration when braking and they resurfaced the front rotors. I'm wondering if there is something wrong with the front axel / wheels? It sounds maybe like a droning noise...
What you are describing is not the droning defect. It sounds like a bad power steering pump. Several people have reported problems with theirs. Try this linklink title
blackexv6, did you have both the front and rear engine mounts replaced or just the rear one? Where can i find the TSB for the "collapsed engine mounts" problem? I only had the rear mount replaced and the modified A-pipe but the drone is still there...it's getting worse and worse each day
Ours drones worse than ever also. I'm not sure replacing the front mounts would do anything? Ask you Service Dept. to check all of them....let us know.
the front engine mount is pretty much the same as the rear one. It's also active. I don't know why a bad front engine mount won't cause engine vibration..
Turning off the ANC was the first thing I did after noticing this problem on my 05 EX-L 20K miles ago. But no fix there. Like others said, it is the resonating exhaust system at 2100-2300 RPM on the Odys from model year 05 on. This is my main complaint on otherwise an excellent vehicle. Other minor complaints: cheap hard plastic on dash board, gap on upper glove compartment, ...
Thanks so much for the link and the info about the bad power steering pump- it does sound like that's what it could be. I'll be taking it back to the dealer to get it checked out.
I dont know if this is what you call droning, I just got the Odyssey '07 EX 500 Mi. Always In the first 5 minutes of my drive when I stop at a light with trans. in drive there is vibration and a noise as if the car is in high idle, it happens even if a waited 1 minute after starting and with or without the steam/ac on or off, sometimes the vibration is so bad you can feel it in your stomach, when driving in high or low speed the car is perfect.
I assume it is cold where you are? The van will idle higher while it is warming up, so when you are in drive with the brakes on, there is more load, so more straing, which might cause what you are feeling. Without driving your car, I couldn't tell you if it is "normal" (or at least like mine). If you are worried, take it to a dealer, but be prepared to leave it overnight, and go up the next morning. You will have to drive it cold with the service advisor.
We've taken our van back 3 times, twice for the replacement of the power steering pumps, the third for the belts to be replaced. It still hasn't fixed the problem. Now they're ordering a reservoir tank??? After looking on this website I know there is a definite problem that I believe Honda is responsible for needing to fix.
Just picked up our '05 Ody LX, 24K miles from the dealership. They did the A-pipe replacement under warranty per service bulletin (it took 1 month to get the part).
I would say it there is a 75% improvement. The drone is there slightly as I am listening for it. As the rpms pass through the 2100 - 2200 rpm zone. Or constant rpm underload as when going up a gradual incline on the freeway. I'm satisfied.
By the way 2200 rpm is = 72-73 mph in my '05 LX Ody. Not around 60 mph as referenced above. While the LX does not have the cylinder de-activation nor active engine mounts, it does not have different tranny ratios than the EX or tourings that I am aware of.
From Toronto, Canada. Just had the A-pipe replaced on my 05 ODY EX couple days ago after a two months wait on parts and only after another customer that had waited longer but did not return dealer's phone call. I would say the improvement around town the improvement is there but somewhat slight. The biggest improvement comes at highway speed when the it is in 5th gear. It is now acceptable. However, things may change after the pipe ages.
I just got a new Odyssey. And I'm having the wind noise also. I can hear it all over in either the driver side or passenger side (although not sure where it comes from). I took it to the dealer, and they said it's the turbulence, and there's nothing they can do about it. Was your noise a turbulence? Did it get louder with speed? Thanks for the help.
05's and some 06's had wind noise from the windshield side trim. Test was to cover side trim with masking tape and drive vehicle- if sound went away with tape in place then Honda replaced windshield side trim. Honda Service Bulletin 04-078. epm1
My 2007 EXL/NAV/RES is also having the highway drone, replaced A-pipe, reduced but still getting the noise around 2200 RPM (75 to 78 MPH). What was the sixth repair which reduced the drone by 90%?
No, usually develops after a couple hundred miles.
Ours started around 900 miles.
The A-pipe internal baffles fail on the '05 & '06's.
Thus, the Droning defect TSB is applied to replace the A-pipe & exhaust hangers with different design.
You have an '07 with the new A-pipe design so there is no further fix for the drone.
There is not a 100% solution to the problem. If you hear the drone, unfortunately you will have to live with it. But you knew what you that before buying, right? We didn't.
I have this noise from the first week of buying, did not know before buying. I wish I knew this problem exists. Started searching on the net after 4 visits to the dealer for a fix. They changed the A-pipe which reduced but still have that noise. My 95 maxima and 99 RX300 is more silent than 07 odyssey. Is it the pipe or the transimission ?
It is an engineering problem that apparently is not easy to solve - otherwise Honda would have a 100% fix.
It is a harmonic resonance with the engine mounts, A-pipe, exhaust hangers, and the shape of the pipe - like a musical instrument. After living with the defect for a year, I don't think the transmission has much interaction.
The exact solution may affect mpg's, emmissions, etc. - potential law suits?
That is why Honda has only come up with a partial fix.
Also, you would be surprised how many people hear the noise but are willing to live with it.
hi blackerxv6, you seems to be the one who's most active about this particular topic, thanks for all the info. I think I'm having the same prob, but only during ideling, I can feel the viberation on the steering wheel and on the break padel and hear the humming noise (just like the van is turned on for AC). my question is, will the so call 'repairs' worsen the situation? I'm trying to evaluate if it's even worth my time and energy to try to to dealer for a 'repair'
The problem you are having is most likely the engine mount issue. See my post #11 in the Honda Odyssey Engine Problems forum.
I'm assuming you have an EX-L or Touring with VCM.
You should have your engine mounts looked at to see if they are collapsed. If so, Honda will replace the mount(s) and you may see a marginal improvement in the vibration.
As I mentioned in a prior post, there is not a 100% fix for the problem. Just make sure you let Honda know that you are not satisfied with the vibration.
I got an Odyssey ex-l 2007 last week and it's also moaning. The noise seems to come from the passenger speaker but it moans even when the radio is off. Is it the same problem you're having??? At the garage, they told me they had no idea how to fix this... Not realy reassuring... Do I have a :lemon: ???
I haven't have time to drive my odyssey much. But we noticed the windy noise, which the dealer wouldn't do anything to fix it. Someone told me about Honda service bulletin#04-078, the windshield noise. If you use masking tape on windshield seals, and the noise goes away. This bulletin will be the fix. I tried it on mine, and sure enough that was it. I just need to find time to take it back to the dealer. Good luck.
We've been living with the noise, but it still bothers us after two years. We got our '06 Touring in Oct '05. After ~1000miles we started noticing an irritating intermittent noise/tone from the engine compartment. The following Sept '06 we took it to the dealer and they replaced a collapsed engine mount. We didn't notice much improvement. A year passed and I just took it to another dealer this week. They want to replace the mount again. I'm not very optimistic. Though the tech did mention the part is currently on national backorder for possibly being pulled to be replaced with a new mount from the manufacturer? Not sure if this is true or the tech is trying to give me false hope. If there is no improvement again, I plan to start sending letters. Not looking forward to this possibility. I really thought an Odyssey was a smart choice. But, now I have first hand experience why Honda (or any other mfg) does not have 100% owner satisfaction. Just wish I didn't have to spend so much cash to learn. Next time I'll take a 2000 mile test drive
I totally agree with you. This is my first new car and not happy at all with the noise. One thing I noticed is my noise was reduced in summer and it is becoming noticeable again as it is getting cold again. I am waiting for some more cold weather so that I can re-visit the dealer as they told me to comeback.
I bought a brand new 07EXL with RESandNAVI 10 days ago and it drones. Only 200 miles done till now. The drone happens whenever the ECO mode engages or I am slow on pushing the pedal and want to accelerate smoothly. Happens anywhere between 30 and 50 mph but worse is on around 45 mph. The rpm can be anywhere from 1500-2500. Man , I had a TC before this and even though it was 100K miles old it still drove better than this new ody. What a piece of crap :mad: . Any ideas on what should I do ? I wish there was a 30 day moneyback policy. Does this issue qualify as a lemon if I take it back to dealer every week ?
I too have a 06 EXL NAV RES with droaning. I have no doubt that it is related to VCM system. Droan is in the 2100 rpm range and intensifies in ECO mode when under light load at cruise speed. This vehicle is already very noisey and this just makes that worse. My best fuel economy was 22mpg HWY when brand new. Droan started to become noticable after a few thousand miles and has increased in intensity, As droan has got worse so has fuel economy, It has decreased to 20.5 hwy MPG,City avg is about 16. Honda has done header pipe and mount fix. This only widened the range in which the problem occurs. I can now hear/feel in at 45mph in ECO. Honda has told me this is a normal operating characteristic and that nothing can be done. I was asked by Honda if I road tested the vehicle before purchase, I answered yes and was then told that I still bought it, live with it. I have a Texas lemon Law hearing next week. I to have had the front brake, power steering, windshield noise, & sliding door noise recalls performed along with cargo carpet reglue and liftgate interior handle coming apart.
Let us know the outcome of your Lemon Case. As I said in a previous post, we won a small monetary settlement for ours.
We didn't buy our Odyssey with the drone noise. It developed after 800 miles when the A-pipe failed.
I still think the Odyssey is a great van. Only one other complaint besides the droning defect is the horrible road noise. Some die hard Honda lovers blame the stock Michelins but the real issue is the lack of proper sound deadening insulation.
I am scheduled to have a Texas lemon law hearing this week. I am wondering if any of you with the droaning issue would be willing to fax or email me a statment of facts about what you have faced with this droaning problem. Also anyone in the Houston area is welcome to attend the hearing with me. Have any of you investigated the class action lawsuit approach? Thanks Rick ricks76@sbcglobal.net
After reading some of these posts, I have started to notice the droning noise on our 06 EXL-Res with just over 7300 kms on it as well. Never bothered me before but now it seems like I listen for it more and it's driving me nuts because it seems to be getting louder. You would think Honda would have noticed this problem during it's testing of the vehicle. Does anyone know if this droning noise is specific only on the VCM engine? And is this a problem in the non-VCM engine also?
I didn't bother getting the droning noise fixed on my 07'. From what I have read it seems like it's only a quick fix but does not get rid of the problem. The more they screw around with the car the more problems I'll probably end up with. I'll live with the noise for now unless it gets even worse.
Just bought a 07. When you slightly depress accelerator at 45-50 mph you get the droning (roaring) noise and vibration in steering wheel and floor boards. So they still haven't fixed it and the service guy says "that's normal". It may be normal for a Honda and if it is this will be my last. I just hope I can put up with it until I am ready to trade.
Our '06 EX-L (32k miles) is making a "WHOOOOO" noise when turning at low speeds. The noise can be described as something you would normally hear from an Owl! We've had it into the dealer twice. They replaced the power-steering pump, but this has not eliminated the strange noise. It is extremely difficult to duplicate - one of those problems that won't appear at the dealership! VERY frustrating! Any advice or insight from others?
I own a new 2007 Odyssey LX that has only 400 miles on it and without a doubt has a bad power stering pump :mad: . I'm taking it to the dealer tomorrow. Seems this is a problem with quite a few 06 and 07 models. Honda has a tech buletin on this issue. My thought is that the dealer either replaced your pump with another new pump that has the same defect or they did not drain the power steering lines properly before installing new pump, therfore contaminating the system again. One way to duplicate the problem is to bring the car to running temp. (cooling fan cycling twice) then put the vehicle in neutral(left foot on the brake) and with right foot slightly rev the engine while turning steering wheel. If your power steering pump is bad you will hear the humming noise again . Hope this helps.
Mine had the same problem, but it had nothign to do with the power steering at all. What it ended up being, and the problem wasn't so much the noise but the result of what was causing the noise, was a kinked condenser pump drain line for the Climate control. The water was swooshing into the condenser fan when it rolled back and forth and making the whoooooing sound....it was also soaking into the carpet inside the cabin, since that is where the water goes that does not make it down the tube. So after a thorough cleaning and removal of mold everything is working great and smelling better. If you have access to some sort of lift, or some way to get under the vehicle safely, you can easily check it yourself. It it an inch diameter black rubber tube that shoudl be hanging down almost directly below where the front passengers left leg would be, beside the transmision. Mine was kinked over itself in a manner that could only have done by an object I ran over, but most likely the guy who changed my oil ( who also services AC, and steering sytems) kinked it in an attempt to do more service, since the problem typically takes a bit of time to show itself. so yeah, if its not kinked it could also be clogged, you can take a clothes hanger and stick it up in there to see if you can clear a blockage, if it was clogged, you will know it....you will be very wet. Hope this helps.
Does anyone have specifics on the Honda service bulletin#04-078. There is a chirping noise coming from the windshield of our newly purchased '06 ODY. This is minor but bugs me!! No big deal in relation to the soft brakes which is an issue in another Odyssey forum!
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The EX-L & Touring Odysseys have active type engine mounts. This means the mounts adjust & move position with a solenoid valve. Apparently these mounts were not fully tested and will not dampen the motions 100% of the time.
There is a TSB for replacing collapsed engine mounts. Ours were replaced with no success.
My opinion is the mounts sometime "forget" to return to the idle setting after driving on the highway. I found this to be the case with my '06 EX-L.
Who am I though...it seems to obvious, right?
You can help fight this issue. Have your car repaired per the TSB-050 service bulletin - they will replace your A-pipe & exhaust hangers. Also, have your engine mounts replaced per TSB-??? (collapsed engine mounts). See if any of these "band-aids" help.
After having the repairs done, if you are not satisfied...call American Honda 1-800-# and open a case. Tell them your car still drones after all the repairs were done.
I can help you...if you need copies of work orders, I will post them.
My car already replaced engine mount one time.
And service man said my car did not have problem, A-pipe so he didn't replaced it.
They fixed right side sliding noise but still I heard especially during the cold weather.
And he also changed power steeling pump.
All this thing happend before 7,000miles.
As I mentioned, my car has 20,000miles right now.
Do I still have a chance to fight with them?
If I can, please let me know.
My email address is davidbhlee@msn.com
Thanks for your great help!
did you have both the front and rear engine mounts replaced or just the rear one? Where can i find the TSB for the "collapsed engine mounts" problem? I only had the rear mount replaced and the modified A-pipe but the drone is still there...it's getting worse and worse each day
The info on the engine mount is not a TSB, it comes from a Honda Service News publication.
link title
Ours drones worse than ever also. I'm not sure replacing the front mounts would do anything? Ask you Service Dept. to check all of them....let us know.
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I dont know if this is what you call droning, I just got the Odyssey '07 EX 500 Mi. Always In the first 5 minutes of my drive when I stop at a light with trans. in drive there is vibration and a noise as if the car is in high idle, it happens even if a waited 1 minute after starting and with or without the steam/ac on or off, sometimes the vibration is so bad you can feel it in your stomach, when driving in high or low speed the car is perfect.
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Have your engine mounts checked for fun.
Good luck.
We filed a claim with ours after 5 repeated attempts for a different defect. The court date is set for Sept. '07.
I would say it there is a 75% improvement. The drone is there slightly as I am listening for it. As the rpms pass through the 2100 - 2200 rpm zone. Or constant rpm underload as when going up a gradual incline on the freeway. I'm satisfied.
By the way 2200 rpm is = 72-73 mph in my '05 LX Ody. Not around 60 mph as referenced above. While the LX does not have the cylinder de-activation nor active engine mounts, it does not have different tranny ratios than the EX or tourings that I am aware of.
I asked the dealer, at the 5th attempt, to restore the drone back to 60mph with the original parts. At least I can avoid 2000 rpm with cruise control.
After reading a post in another forum, I was tempted to try a sixth repair as they reported the drone was reduced by 90+%.
Is the noise present from day 1?
No, usually develops after a couple hundred miles.
Ours started around 900 miles.
The A-pipe internal baffles fail on the '05 & '06's.
Thus, the Droning defect TSB is applied to replace the A-pipe & exhaust hangers with different design.
You have an '07 with the new A-pipe design so there is no further fix for the drone.
There is not a 100% solution to the problem. If you hear the drone, unfortunately you will have to live with it. But you knew what you that before buying, right? We didn't.
Is it the pipe or the transimission ?
It is a harmonic resonance with the engine mounts, A-pipe, exhaust hangers, and the shape of the pipe - like a musical instrument. After living with the defect for a year, I don't think the transmission has much interaction.
The exact solution may affect mpg's, emmissions, etc. - potential law suits?
That is why Honda has only come up with a partial fix.
Also, you would be surprised how many people hear the noise but are willing to live with it.
you seems to be the one who's most active about this particular topic, thanks for all the info. I think I'm having the same prob, but only during ideling, I can feel the viberation on the steering wheel and on the break padel and hear the humming noise (just like the van is turned on for AC). my question is, will the so call 'repairs' worsen the situation? I'm trying to evaluate if it's even worth my time and energy to try to to dealer for a 'repair'
I'm assuming you have an EX-L or Touring with VCM.
You should have your engine mounts looked at to see if they are collapsed. If so, Honda will replace the mount(s) and you may see a marginal improvement in the vibration.
As I mentioned in a prior post, there is not a 100% fix for the problem. Just make sure you let Honda know that you are not satisfied with the vibration.
We got our '06 Touring in Oct '05. After ~1000miles we started noticing an irritating intermittent noise/tone from the engine compartment.
The following Sept '06 we took it to the dealer and they replaced a collapsed engine mount. We didn't notice much improvement.
A year passed and I just took it to another dealer this week. They want to replace the mount again. I'm not very optimistic. Though the tech did mention the part is currently on national backorder for possibly being pulled to be replaced with a new mount from the manufacturer? Not sure if this is true or the tech is trying to give me false hope.
If there is no improvement again, I plan to start sending letters. Not looking forward to this possibility. I really thought an Odyssey was a smart choice. But, now I have first hand experience why Honda (or any other mfg) does not have 100% owner satisfaction. Just wish I didn't have to spend so much cash to learn.
We won our settlement with Honda & received a small monetary token for our wasted time dealing with the defect.
Still have the noise, but have moved on to bigger things in life. Plus, I heard a rumor that Honda is dumping the Odyssey for '09.
The drone happens whenever the ECO mode engages or I am slow on pushing the pedal and want to accelerate smoothly. Happens anywhere between 30 and 50 mph but worse is on around 45 mph. The rpm can be anywhere from 1500-2500.
Man , I had a TC before this and even though it was 100K miles old it still drove better than this new ody. What a piece of crap :mad: .
Any ideas on what should I do ? I wish there was a 30 day moneyback policy. Does this issue qualify as a lemon if I take it back to dealer every week ?
Since this problem has been around since late 2004, Honda knows exactly how to avoid lemon claims for droning defect.
They will blow you off and say it is "normal operating characteristic". Good luck.
Honda has told me this is a normal operating characteristic and that nothing can be done. I was asked by Honda if I road tested the vehicle before purchase, I answered yes and was then told that I still bought it, live with it. I have a Texas lemon Law hearing next week. I to have had the front brake, power steering, windshield noise, & sliding door noise recalls performed along with cargo carpet reglue and liftgate interior handle coming apart.
We didn't buy our Odyssey with the drone noise. It developed after 800 miles when the A-pipe failed.
I still think the Odyssey is a great van. Only one other complaint besides the droning defect is the horrible road noise. Some die hard Honda lovers blame the stock Michelins but the real issue is the lack of proper sound deadening insulation.
I am wondering if any of you with the droaning issue would be willing to fax or email me a statment of facts about what you have faced with this droaning problem. Also anyone in the Houston area is welcome to attend the hearing with me. Have any of you investigated the class action lawsuit approach? Thanks Rick
ricks76@sbcglobal.net
Mostly EXL (VCM) owners complain about the droning defect, however, I read about LX & EX complaints on another forum.
There is not a 100% fix for the problem. The steps to a partial fix are the following:
1. Remove & replace collapsed engine mounts.
2. Remove & replace A-pipe assembly with new design.
3. Installed updated exhaust hanger kit.
You will notice an improvement but now that you hear the noise it will probably bug you for the life of the car.
We've had it into the dealer twice. They replaced the power-steering pump, but this has not eliminated the strange noise. It is extremely difficult to duplicate - one of those problems that won't appear at the dealership! VERY frustrating!
Any advice or insight from others?
My thought is that the dealer either replaced your pump with another new pump that has the same defect or they did not drain the power steering lines properly before installing new pump, therfore contaminating the system again.
One way to duplicate the problem is to bring the car to running temp. (cooling fan cycling twice) then put the vehicle in neutral(left foot on the brake) and with right foot slightly rev the engine while turning steering wheel. If your power steering pump is bad you will hear the humming noise again
Hope this helps.
We are looking for a minivan but this is something I don't want to deal with.
If anyone else has an 07 Odyssey, pls let me know how your car is.
Thanks everyone!