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And, is 15,500 a good deal on a lease trade in 1998 EB Expedition in excellent condition with 33,000 miles.
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Ask around and find out which independent alignment shop in your community is considered the BEST. Take your Expy there and have them check your alignment. If it isn't "normal", have that shop document exactly what they found, but also have them re-align it. Then send a copy of the shop's findings to your Ford dealer's service manager and ask him to pay for the alignment. At least the dealer will know you're serious, plus you'll KNOW your alignment is what it should be.
OTOH, if your alignment is OK, your only option is to rotate your tires more often, say every 4000 miles. If you buy tires from Discount or Big O, rotation is free for the life of the tires. They will also re-balance at every rotation if you request it.
On our last SUV, I rotated tires every 4000 miles to compensate for the extra wear & tear on the front tires. I intend doing the same on our new Expy.
Good Luck!
The lower price you get them to agree to on the new one, the lower the trade-in will be on your '97. Its what they do.
the best you can do is try again to push them into giving you a better trade, or sell the '97 yourself. Seems to me you're getting a pretty good price on the EB.
Don't forget that most Ford dealers are also offering VERY low interest rates on loans. Ford has its own credit company. I think ours is 2.9% for 36 months. Almost free money.
We traded in a '98 Isuzu Trooper in near mint condition with about 30K miles that listed in all the price guides at $17-18K wholesale, but only got $14K as a trade-in and felt lucky to get that. Had offers of $12.5K from a couple of dealers.
The dealer we wound up purchasing from (after visiting four others) split his holdback with us, resulting in an additional $650 reduction in price from the invoice. This was over two months ago, and the best deal we could find then.
4x4s here in Denver are literally spilling out of the dealer's lots, both new and used. Rising gas prices and a declining economy, seem to have taken their toll. No more "dot-commers" with boat-loads of money to spend I guess. This is why dealers here don't want used 4x4s as trade-ins.
However, that little trick of establishing the value of your vehicle by calling the auctions/wholesalers is yet another slimy dealer ploy to convince you that your trade-in is practically worthless. They do it here too. We're buying a Ford, with an Isuzu to trade-in. The dealers all said "we'll call the Isuzu dealers to find out what they'll give us for your Trooper". Of course, since Isuzu is in the tank, Isuzu REALLY doesn't want more used Troopers. Hence the low bids.
The only way I was able to get $14,100 as a trade-in was to assert that I had another offer of $14,000 on the table (I didn't). So I got a little more out of the trade. I hated to lower myself to their level, but if that's how I have to respond to keep from getting screwed, so be it.
Last Sunday, Courtesy Ford (one of the John Elway/Autonation chain) ran an ad offering $8500 off the MSRP on ANY new 2001 Eddie Bauer Expy. However, its really only $7600 unless you're a new college grad ($500) and are going to lease AGAIN ($400). Still, not a bad deal!
Good luck!
The shocks took the bounce out and the swaybar took out the body roll.
My X handles ok now, a little stiff but that's what I like. And corner great for it's size.
Sorry it took so long to reply but I've been working too much lately.
A final thought.... With a '97 and 74K miles, you just might be entering that "nickel-and-dime" zone, where your truck has frequent small problems to deal with. From past posts here, a lot of the older Expys seem to be plagued with minor bugs.
Also, call me a cynic if you want, but I would never buy another new vehicle in the first year of a new model run. Even Toyota can no longer get it right the first year any more. Check out both the Tundra and the Sequoia topics. More niggling problems than you can shake a stick at.
OTOH, looks like you could easily keep her old Expy going for another year for $1000-1500, even if you don't do all the work itself. That's a lot cheaper than payments on a new one.
I've gotten spoiled as I grow older. I used to work on cars ALL the time. It was a hobby. No longer. After I passed 50, working on cars has practically lost all its appeal. Oil changes seem a drudgery. Anyway, should our Expy reach the point somewhere down the road where I enter the .05 & .10 zone, I'll send it down the road in a heartbeat, as long as I'm still working, and/or can afford to. The market is KILLING me.
I have a '98 Expy with 44K miles, and I am experiencing a clicking sound coming from either the transmisson or the throttle linkage when shifting from 3rd to 4th. Has anyone else out there heard this?
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Are you able to buy replacement floor mats, especially the front driver and passenger mats? How much? Thanx
You should be able to order the replacement mats from the parts dept.
Tan vs. grey interiors. I've had both colors over the years and finally decided that I prefer tan. We spend a lot of time inside of our vehicles, and I concluded that the grey just wasn't a "warm" color. But that's only a personal opinion/preference.
We test drove four Expys before choosing one to buy. The interior color I liked least was the "dark graphite" cloth offered on the XLT with the sports package. Way too dark for me. The grey leather is much nicer and I have also seen one EB Expy (out of about 50) with the grey leather.
Hope you're feeling better. BTW- What's a 3oom????
The EB we saw with the grey leather interior was Wedgewood Blue on the outside and I wasn't repelled by the beige trim. Our EB is Estate Green, with tan interior (of course). We narrowed our color choices down to two: the Estate Green and Wedgewood Blue. We had about 12 green EBs and five blue EBs to choose from at one dealer. Chose one that had the free sunroof package and the other options we wanted.
Another thing re: the 2nd row captain's chairs. I'm not sure, but I believe when you fold them, you don't wind up with a flat floor. You have a big gap between the seats. I REALLY like the flat floor we get when the bench seat is folded.
BTW: if you change your filter every 12k, and the over the counter price for a decent paper filter is $15, over 60k and the thing pays for itself!
I had a 99 Expedition with the 4.6L and I now have an 01 Expedition with the 5.4L. If you get an Expedition get the 5.4L, the 4.6L just doesn't have enough power for a vehicle the size of the Expedition. I have not noticed any mileage difference between the two different Expeditions and when I'm towing the 5.4L actually gets better mileage. If you don't need the size of the Expedition for things like towing you might want to look at some other vehicles. The new 2002 Explorer is really nice and will get better mileage than Expedition while still having a third seat. The Acura MDX is a nice compromise between the minivan and SUV worlds but they are very popular right now and it will be difficult to find a good deal on one. Toyota has the Sequoia and Highlander which are nice but both are pretty expensive right now. If you decide to go with the Expedition there are some good rebate and financing deals right now. Have fun with your shopping.
Also what is the deal on the different drive train options (e.g. 3.31, 3.55. 3.75 and some with slip differential. Where can I find good technical help on this?
We are really excited about buying one. Buy the way, live in outside philly and we don't get too much snow
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Do you see an improvement in the mileage and power ?
Dealers here in Denver have been offering Expys at less than invoice since January. We paid $650 less than invoice for our 2001 EB.
Different axle ratios (like engines) are offered so you can choose what you need depending on your usage. For example, if you are going to tow a trailer or a boat, you'd likely want the 3:73. OTOH, if you did most of your driving on the highway, with no load, on flat ground, you might want the 3:31. Here in Colorado, the 3:73 Limited Slip is practically a no-brainer, with the altitude and mountains to contend with. Try and find a knowledgeable sales person to assist you (good luck!).
Personally, I went for power, torque, acceleration and speed, and chose the 5.4 engine with the 3:73 LS differential. Lots of folks seem unhappy with the 4.6, and if you were to opt for the 5.4 and then the 3:31 axle, that also might be a poor combination, if you valued acceleration.
Try and test drive as many variations as you can. Don't be afraid to PUNCH IT to see how the different trucks accelerate, etc.
just my 2 cents!
ps: Had rear-axle replaced at 400 miles, been flawless since, but I'm in no mood for this. My confidence in Ford gets weaker every day...
However, I discovered I have the problem where you have to "squeeze" the last 3-5 gallons of gas into the gas tank. Frustrating and uncomfortable when its cold & windy at the gas station.
Also noticed some sensitivity to head winds and cross winds, but nothing serious (where you felt the need to drive slower, for example).
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I compiled this info from ai-online.com for a response on another site and thought the readers here might find it of interest.
All sales figures are in units sold for the months of Jan and Feb 2001 compared to the same months in 2000.
FORD: 2001 vs 2000
Explorer/Mountaineer 54,277 vs 73,840 down -26%
Expedition 27,494 vs 31,683 down -13%
Excursion 5,238 vs 7862 down -33%
Navigator 4789 vs 6215 down -23%
GM 2001 vs 2000 (GMC, Chevy and Olds models combined):
Blazer/Jimmy/Envoy/Bravada 49,950 vs 59,371 down -16%
Tahoe/Yukon 40,113 vs 27,253 up +47%
Suburban/Yukon XL 31,061 vs 28,974 up +7.2%
Escalade 2084 vs 3788 (The sales for the Escalade were almost exclusively in Feb. for 2001 as this is a new model and sales were very minimal in Jan. compared to 2000. If you doubled Feb sales (2x 2723) and compared to Jan/Feb 2000, sales were up +43%).
FYI: The Sequoia is not in the same league in sales at 9,494 for the first 2 months of 2001, however it is an up and comer. Time will tell if they become a real competitor to the full size SUVs from Detroit.
Also arrived with 4 1/8-1/4 inch scratches in colored paint beneath clear coat above the rear tail light. Any idea if this can be fixed?
The dealer will most likely respray a large section of your rear fender to "fix" the scratches. Personally, I wouldn't let them do that. Your best bet is to have them give you some touch-up paint and try to fix it yourself. I've done body work (MANY years ago) and there's just no way to make scratches look new again.
Also there is a vibration I can feel in the floor when traveling over 15 mph. When it is in park but running a vibration can be heard. Like a piece of sheet metal underneath the drivers side is loose. I can't see anything loose underneath. Advice? Thoughts?