Edmunds dealer partner, Bayway Leasing, is now offering transparent lease deals via these forums. Click here to see the latest vehicles!
Popular New Cars
Popular Used Sedans
Popular Used SUVs
Popular Used Pickup Trucks
Popular Used Hatchbacks
Popular Used Minivans
Popular Used Coupes
Popular Used Wagons
Comments
That is much better then being stuck in the middle of no where with this piece of Pontiac Junk.
I cut my yellow wire.
So Far So Good.
I will eat the differnce in insurance.
I have been stuck twice, alot of people have been stuck much more.
Besides, if thiefs were smart they would stay away from these junk cars, Steal something worth while.
http://www.gmupfitter.com/publicat/bull/bull2wsA.pdf and
http://www.gmupfitter.com/publicat/bull/bull26.pdf and
http://www.gmupfitter.com/publicat/2004_BB/2003_Beyond_LD_Electric_CK.pdf pg A29 and A30
rewrite of bulletin for Cars
http://pontiacowners.com/pontiac/showthread.php?p=1865
How to replace the Ignition Lock Cylinder by bolt 3/11/2006 w/photos.
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55639
By the way: A dealership will never disable the Passlock for you---even if they know how. I don't think a recall will ever happen either. It has to be a safety issue. That's why they programmed "fail-enable" mode for passlock. If passlock or passlock wiring was to fail while you were driving down the road, your car will not shut down. Hence, it's not a safety issue if your car will not start.
Enjoy the reading material!
Brian
Before I pay the original dealer $500 to replace, I am going to try cutting the wires. I will keep you posted if there are any problems.
BTW, great forum. I thought I was the only one having the problem. :confuse:
Also, I was told by the mechanic at the Pontiac Dealership that even if I replace the passlock system, it could go again in as few as 200 hundred starts.
I will stick cutting the wire for now.
thanks
ginkle7
Hi I've read all the previous posts and I'm having about the same problems. I tried the 10 min. passlock bypass but the car still won't stay started. What happens is as soon as I start the car about 2 seconds later it shuts off. It starts fine but then just shuts off. The weird thing is also that the CD player doesn't work, the door unlock/lock buttons don't work, the trunk release button, or any of the buttons on the key chain don't work either. The battery isn't dead becuase everything else works just fine on the car. I checked the fuses and all looks good. Is there something that I'm missing? If the passlock system was bad would it shut the car down like this and disable the locks and cd player? Any help would be great.
Thanks!
replaced the oxygen sensor (which is what the codes came up with) nope......still not working.
now maybe it's the catalytic convertor?
GIVE ME A BREAK!!! We went out and purchased - with cash!! a 94 taurus this weekend. We figure shell out the 1700 for the used car with only 90,000 miles and sell the piece of junk 02 grand am with only 45,000 miles!! and save money!!!!!!
In the last 10 months I have been unable to drive this car for 4 whole months and out of the last 6 months it made it out of the driveway 3 months!
NEVER AGAIN WILL WE PURCHASE A GRAND AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait to get rid of this car and start driving the Taurus! The fact that it has no cd player (cassette only), no keyless remote, no security features, no power windows (a crank!!!), you unlock and lock the doors yourself - oh, and the trunk! all of it is worth being able to actually DRIVE THE VEHICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ONLY thing I will miss about the car is the "can't lock the keys in the car" feature!
It may be ignition switch related, quite often these symptoms go back to the ignition switch.
I don't understand the logic of spending $1700 on a high mileage Taurus which may or may not be more reliable (my experience is it won't) instead of having the newer, lower mileage car fixed right.
At any rate, good luck.
I do know one thing though, if I spent $2000 on repairs that didn't fix my problem then the regional service manager would be hearing from me regularly.
You could have an intake manifold gasket leak. A known problem on the V6, if that's what it is.
Right now, you can drive it but is lacking power. It stalls upon acceleration. The stored codes show a problem with the # 2 oxygen sensor heater, rich fuel mixture and random misfire. We replaced this oxygen sensor this week and a new coil pack, ECM & spark plugs less than 200 miles ago.
Thanks for the number! We will definitely be giving them a call!! We found this site by accident looking for recalls on the car.
BTW - The city I live in has a segment on the news where consumers can voice problems their having with businesses and most often than not it helps because the companies don't want the bad publicity. I think I'm going to give them a call.
Good luck to everyone stuck with one of these :lemon: . Hope you're somewhere safe when your car won't start! :P
Based on some of the threads I could find I decided to replace the ignition lock cylinder (instructions I found at: http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55639) but it still doesn't work. I don't know that I can go much further myself and I really don't want to go to a dealer. Oh yeah, I replaced the battery too.
If anyone has any other ideas I'd love to hear them. I beginning to fear that I will never drive this piece of junk again. Thanks!
If there are sufficient complaints, they will start an investigation which could lead to a recall on this problem. Please feel free to add your complaint.
Just click this link to file a complaint!
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
Cutting the wire (or installing a toggle) only works a) if the vehicle already is running, and b) IF ELECTRICAL CONTINUITY HAS BEEN MAINTAINED!
All of you people who are cutting the wire should understand that, as soon as your battery goes dead or is disconnected, the Passlock system will rearm, at which point you won't be able to restart the vehicle because the wire is cut! Then try to figure out what's wrong (without reading this post).
I strongly recommend that anyone trying to disable the system do so by installing the toggle. That way, if the system rearms, you can turn the toggle "off" -- reconnects the wire -- which would be the same as having the Passlock system engaged normally.
Make certain you follow ALL of the directions for installing the toggle. This system is only a 7 mA system; the toggle must be very high quality, and the wire leads to it as short as possible, so that the Ohms values are not changed. Otherwise it might not work either.
Good Luck!
So far since buying this car for my daughter in 2003 we have replaced all injectors (two times), starter, rotors, brakes, ignition coils, timing belt, catalytic converter, and the usual maint.
When the first injector went out we had the local dealership fix it ($750.00) for one injector. Within two months the car was acting up again. This time I went online and found new injectors for $69.00 each (Not the $179.00 each charged by the dealer) and I replaced all 6 injectors. Upon disassemble of the injector rail I found the the dealer never replaced the special "O" ring that had deteriorated and had been clogging the injectors up ($8.00) part cost me $500.00 in parts and 1/2 day of my labor to fix what the dealer should have.
Good Luck!