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I seriously dought that toy would settle to buy back your LC after you have driven it for 1-2 yrs.
It would be more logical and more cost effective to simply replace your stereo as a settlement. Why would they settle to accept a 10-15k depreciation on your LC when they could make you happy and spend less by even going as far as to replace your sys with the Mark L. sys from the Lex.
I truly think that your hopes of driving that 50k truck for 2 yrs free just might be a little too high. especially if the reports of a fix are true.
This would effectively stop your suit in its tracks.
Truck
Was this problem a surprise to the TLC owners who are posting about it here?
RRuck1-
From my understanding the problem in the Sequoia is nothing even close to the problem in the TLC. The TLC is an obvious design problem to all TLC owners- this does not seem to be the case on the Sequoia-compare the two, hugh difference.
Again my attorney assures me that if you put this in front of a jury it is a no brainer, whether you were aware of the problem at time of purchase or not. My attorney also assures me that Toyota will most definitely settle before it gets in front of a jury.
There was a time when I just wanted the damm thing fixed- I just can't tolerate the lies.. and this I won't apologize for... shame on Toyota.
Good luck!!
Any commnents, etc.?
Thanks
Truck!
This is the proverbial "Apples and Oranges" comparison. If you never need to tow, venture off-road or navigate through five or more inches of snow then you might be making a mistake. If you enjoy spirited driving in one of the safest vehicles on the road then stick with BMW. BMW maintenance is more expensive but that's the price of owning a high performance vehicle.
If I could fit in a 740il it would be parked in my driveway now. At 6'5" I opted for the 2000 LC instead. The 2000 LC is now a companion for the 1991 LC which my son now drives (also 6'5"). I think I will always own a Land Cruiser. My wife's 528i is very uncomfortable for me beyond one hour even though it actually has a little more front leg room than the 740i or 740il. But what a joyous "ride"!
BMW's are very special automobiles that are supremely rewarding to drive. The LC is a truck with some leather seats. If you can afford both, keep the 740i and buy a LC, then you will be in automobile nirvana. If you can't, then think carefully about whether you want an "Apple" or a "Orange"
To keep both BMW 740i and TLC is probably ideal, but for one reason or another if you need to get it down to one vehicle the real question is do you have more of the need for utility or "the ultimate driving experience" the utility does exact a premium or cost. You have a nice dilemma that most folks would love to have!
I checked with the dealership and confirmed that a Technical Service Bulletin TSB)was issued by Toyota. It came out in the summer of 2000. The TSB identifies the design problem and the recommended modifications. Unfortunately, it also limited the repairs to the standard 3 year / 36,000 miles.
As my TLC has over 50k miles, the service folks at the local Toyota dealership could not fix it under warranty. They recommended that I contact Toyota directly.
I sent Toyota an e:mail detailing the problem and and the out of warranty concerns.
It took a couple of weeks, but yesterday the dealership called, informed me that the parts are in, and that Toyota was covering the cost of repairs.
Oh, what a feeling!!!
By the way, I took a test drive on the new Highlander. Nice vehicle. However, the engine noise in the passenger compartment is excessive to what I have become accustomed to in my Land Cruiser.
After driving the LC, which by the way didn't mention was purchased by the dealer through the Auction, was driven by someone in the Gulf States Toyota Division, so it's never been titled and had 10,000 miles. I was able to purchase it for 44,000.00; I couldn't pass on the deal and after driving the LC for a week, I reallly began to appreciate the quality, etc. Thanks again.
if you like the LC why change? You will just wind up hating yourself in the long run.
My .02
Truck
We just bought a 2000 TLC this weekend. Originally were looking at the Sequoia and MDX. After a few rides in the MDX, wasn't happy with the noise level, torque steer under accel, and four month waiting list at MSRP. The Sequoia rode great, quieter than the TLC, but really too big (long) for my tastes.
The dealer had a 2000 TLC in the showroom, which was way too expensive at 57K sticker. When I expressed interest, he said it could be had at ~$50K (only $5k more than the Sequoia). Final negotiations came out at ~$47K. More than I wanted to pay, but we got the #1 SUV out there, IMO. TLC had less than 100 miles, never titled. I read some info about 2001 stereo problem, this unit sounds great.
Sold my 95 Explorer to my sister to purchase this. Can't wait for some snow or mud to test out the 4wd.
daved
Scott
San Diego
Took out the third row seats tonite, it'll be easier the next time. I found that you must fold down the second row to remove third row, but didn't see that in the instructions.
freebird3, I bought from a dealer in NNJ. Options include third row, preferred equip (rack, run boards, rear deflect, etc.), mats, list was $57K and change. Color is white, interior "oak". It was the only one they had, 2000 or 2001, build date was 3/2000. I don't know how long it was sitting on the floor.
If you want more info, send email to daved528@hotmail.com.
Yes, the audio system is an absolute "downer". On the other hand, however, the navigation system is simple to use and extremely accurate in getting you to where you want to go.
I had only one occasion thus far to use the anti-skid system, though unwittingly. Two weekends ago we had a good accumulation of snow in the Southern California foothills not too far from Santa Barbara where we live. I decided to pack-up the two german sheperds, the wife and the mother-in-law (not necessarily in that order) and put the Cruiser through its paces in the snow.
The trip was uneventful but for one unforeseen potentially terrorfying moment. I was travelling about 50 mph on dry pavement. I came over a rise where the road veered to the left. No problem but for the fact there had been a substantial mud-flow across the road which I hit at about 45 mph. Keep in mind I was already in a left directional turn when I hit this mud which was about axle deep.
When I hit the mud the vehicle started to float and I first thought the rear end was going to come around on my right. Before I could react buzzers were sounding and lights on the dash were flashing indicative of the anti skid system kicking in. The cruiser never lost its composure and continued in the direction I pointed the steering wheel. I was able to steer and drive my way out of the quagmire and onto dry pavement. What a ride, what an adrenaline rush, what a superlative vehicle.
Knowing now what I know about the audio system would not deter my enthusiasm for this vehicle. Toyota says they intend to fix it and I'm taking them at their word.
I am again looking for a TLC and have driven both the V8 and the six. The six sounds exactly like my 88 but is has about 30 more HP. It seems to be more speedy than the earlier model but doesn't match the V8 at all. I'm spoiled after driving a 98 that I have almost totally dismissed the six as a dinosaur. Also, some of the amenities such as the cup holders and storage are not as convenient.
I have found 2 97's that are in incredible shape with low miles and will sell for about 13000 less than one that is one year newer, but when I think of not being able to pass an RV up a long hill, I think I'll stay on the hunt for a good, affordable 98 or newer. Bob Forman
I'm not going to do any towing or extensive off-roading (mostly family trips to Tahoe, camping weekends and hunting at Colorado ranch) so I couldn't justify the extra expense for V8 (nor could I afford it). After just a few days behind the wheel, quality of this rig is so much superior to my old Explorer- no comparison. I'm not counting on great mileage (12-15 mpg) but hope to make up for it in fewer unscheduled maintenance costs.
So far, I couldn't be happier- no buyer's remorse here. I have yet to try to pass an RV on I-80 to Tahoe yet, but I'm heading up the hill in a few weeks and will report back if I have any problems.
I'll look forward to hearing how your rig handles. Bob
You may want to consider the TRD supercharger in the future.
Thanks for the supercharger input, joeeblow1. How much power does it add, and how much to install?
The TRD supercharger costs between $2800 and $3500, and it's set up to be installed by the user. The dealer will install it, of course, for an extra fee. The Safari charger is a unit from Oz, and I believe it's a turbocharger. It costs more and has to be installed by a Safari dealer, which right now is Man-A-Fre (for US). See the Kazuma website for more info on the TRD supercharger or Christo Slee's site (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/tz_super.htm).
Also, transmission is a little jerky when moving back from passing gear @ 60mph or above. Not frequently, but sporadically. Dealership claims that with transmission fluid change they see no problem. Haven't had a chance to test yet. Anyone else aware of this?
I am looking at a 2001 LC with the third seat and about $4200 of options. What would one expect to have to pay for it at this point in time? Are thereany special dealers in the contry to get an exceptional on one? Also any comment about the dealer saying that he couldn't find one w/o a 3rd row seat.
Thanks for any input provided.
Steve
I have a 93 fzj80 with 138,000 miles and it still drives better than most new cars. In fact my wife liked it so much that when it was time to turn in our 98 Expedition she picked a 2000 TLC and she has been in heaven for the past month.It's her dream car and with 2 kids and 2 dogs it fullfills all our needs.
I've owned 2 Jeeps and the Expedition and I still can not believe it took me this long to find the advantages of owning a TLC. You shop only price and you make poor decisions. The TLC is worth the money.
Looked at the Sequioa and it's a nice SUV but someone else said it best, " It's not a Landcruiser.
I hope this brief comment will help someone else make the right future SUV purchase.
One thing for sure, the 740I is one of the best sedans on the road. Comfort, handling, pleasure of driving, etc.
However, the more I'm in the LC, the more I like it. It undoubtably is the best riding SUV. I've driven them all and owned a few Suburbans.
One good point is that I'm driving slower than with the BMW, so I'm sure that's a plus. I really like the versatility of the LC for every day use, etc.
Thanks to all those who have posted in the past on their own experiences.
ps. I also looked at the LX 470 and to tell you the truth I like having the Land Cruiser nameplate and all the money I saved.
Cruisers and LX470's. They are installing Plastic
rear wind deflectors. What happen to the metal
ones? Does anybody here knows why? (They look and
feel really cheap.)
Thanks,
MG
I'm considering buying an Escort Passport SR1 radar detector to be installed in my 2001 Lexus LX470. The SR1 is a model whose detector is concealed behind the front grille, with a separate display mounted in the passenger compartment.
Having been told that the display would be mounted on the top of the steering column, just under my line of sight through the top of the steering wheel to the instrument panel, I can't help wondering how this actually works out for the driver.
Does anyone have personal experience with such an installation in an LX470 or a Toyota Land Cruiser? If so, I'd certainly appreciate your comments on how satisfactory such an installation has been for you.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Drew
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For whatever is worth...
I Don't know this particular set up, but if you want full protection for your LX470 I will strongly recommend you to buy the VALENTINE ONE RADAR DETECTOR. You can also add the remote feature so outside people don't see it at night when in alerting mode.
THIS IS THE BEST PROTECTION MONEY CAN BUY 360 DEGREES.Plus you can always take it and use it in a high performance car remenber that the LX470?Land cruiser is electronically limited.
Visit the web http://www.valentine1.com/ it even tells you where and how many are pointing at you. I had passports and a escorts since 1986 back then they where the best. But after the company split the partner with the brains open his own company and develop VALENTINE.
In regards to the 740 BMW trade, wow, 7 series are nice cars! Only fitting it ought to come in for our best as well.
stevelr, the Landcruiser minimal extras here in CA are BG and FE. Yes, you will get a third rear seat and rear air at the very least. The "C7" is optional (roof rack, rear deflector, runn boards, rear mat) as are the actual floor mats. I know MSRP in Calif is $57600 for a car with C7 CF BG and FE... and losing the "C7" is a $1780 deduction. Meaning, the "basic" car with BG and FE stickers for $55820. I have sold cars like that for under $50000 in the past before the 11/1/00 pricing increased the 2001 models. That may be a good idea for you to price with BUT don't expect dealers across the USA to bow to pricing like that, as I am very aggressive for Landcruiser pricing where others smaller might not be.
Dianne
dianne@earthlink.net