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I had an 1987 Pontiac Firebird and a 1991 Pontiac 6000 that I ran Mobil1 oil in from the time I bought them (each with approx. 80K miles) and they both were still running strong when I sold them with nearly 200K miles on the odometer. I didn't keep my 1998 Durango that long, but at 122K miles she ran stronger than when I bought her with 60K miles. I got 1-2 mpg better in the Durango with Mobil1 than regular 'dino' oil.
That's why mine are staying in my garage until I need them. Well, that and the fact that they create a ridiculous amount of wind noise in almost all positions.
I'm getting about 23MPG (70 freeway/30 city).
It has nice pickup and acceleration.
The only negative (if it really is a negative) is that it is in deed noisy. It doesn't bother me but you just get this feeling of "if its noisy is it not as refined?...and if its not as refined is it of lower quality?"
i wish ours had all the improvements the 07 models got, but my wife is the main driver of ours and she is very happy as it sits.
The exhaust is actually loud as well or in combination with the engine. I'm talking about the engine being loud in idle.
I pressed my dealer for one and he denied it even existed. I had to take my owners manual into the dealership and show him that on page 2-35 it specifically talks about the coinholder! Much to my surprise, 2 days later he calls me and tells me he has one and I can stop by to pick it up at any time.
His story goes like this: Pontiac figured out, about half-way through out the 2006 production run, that it was not a 'cost effective accessory' because people wouldn't miss it if it were gone. They quit adding them in at that point, but failed to change the owners manual.
Take that for what it is... a dealer's word. All I know is... I got mine!
I would like to lease an '07 Torrent FWD with the following options added: Sun and Sound package, Pioneer Premium 7 speaker system. When I built the car online, the MSRP came out to $24.465 and the invoice $22,849. I would like to do a 39 month lease with no money down and rolling the tax and fees (not DMV, of course) in as well. I only need about 12,000 miles a year. Basically, I do not want any out-of-pocket expense except for the first month and the DMV fees.
What do you think my monthly lease payments will be?
I was in a Pontiac dealership today and got a quote of over $400. This seemed extremely high to me (and to the salesman, he said). He explained that since the '07's just came out, there were no attractive lease incentives yet. He went on to say that if I had leased an '06 LAST month, I could have gotten out for somewhere between $275 - $300 (which is where I want to be, or at least close.)
Is this true? And if so, how long before the lease incentives kick in for the '07's? He told me to try back in a month or two (and that he would contact me as well) but he couldn't say for sure. Problem is, my lease is up next month (October) and now I have to decide whether to extend it by a month or two in hopes of the Torrent lease prices coming down or, getting a Ford Escape which would be much closer to my present price range.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I looked at the Chevy Equinox as well (they're basically the same car) and ran into the same problem. Too early (I was told) for attractive lease incentives.
Thanks!
Magooley
For what it's worth, I just bought my '06 Torrent in July with the Packages that you mentioned, plus XM, leather, and the better wheels. My payments to OWN it are $416 a month. That was with $6K of negative equity from trading in my Durango, and Zero Percent financing. To see people getting a 4 year lease with the same payment reinforces my belief that I got a good deal. Compare the 4-year lease plus over $11K buyout with a 5 year loan... Same payments for the 4 years, and less than $5K for the last year. That's $6K less than the lease! Whew!
Then recieved POOR markings for fuel economy and fit/finish.
1st off fit/finish is subjective and I give the Torrent a VERY GOOD.
2nd the 05' Equinox recieved a VERY GOOD for fuel economy...what they hell, the Torrent is the exact same car mechanically, except for suspension.
That being said... I love my Torrent because it's smoother and quieter than my Durango was. I love my Torrent because it handles so much better than my Durango did. But most of all, I love my Torrent because my gas mileage in my Durango averaged between 11 and 13 MPG, and my Torrent is averaging just under 22MPG and 90% of my driving is either stop and go traffic... or going between 75-85mph on the freeway. That kicks some serious butt!
(Hehe, before my break in... when I was trying to take it easy on my Torrent... I didn't drive over 70mph. I once got 25.5MPG in regular weekend driving. So Consumer Reports can kiss my [non-permissible content removed]. Besides... everyone knows CR is all just paid advertising anyway. With all but a small handful of cars, they've always ripped apart anything GM...)
The service guy telling me to go directly against the manual along with some other issues is the reason I will no longer do business with this dealership. The salesman was great! But I have no faith in their highly rated service department. Ultimately I would be the one at fault, and have to pay the price.
I do not see anyone complaining about a "thump, thump, thump" that I hear on a semi regular basis. It is always 3 thumps in a row, coming from the rear of the vehicle. Never more thumps; never less than 3 quick thumps. I can not duplicate it if I try; obviously the service department (in over 11 days) said they could not either. Weird actually, and annoying. I have documented time after time, including weather conditions, fuel tank level, etc. No luck. I have talked to another Torrent owner who said they have never heard it.
I have read the Equinox platform it is built on has had "thump, thump, thump" in the Equinox. But the problem is not solved either. Same circumstances. Just wondering if anyone else has heard them.
My son owns a 2000 Cavalier he uses for daily driving that makes the very same noise you are describing. On his vehicle the ABS does a self diagnosis upon startup after a few seconds - three very distinct and easily heard thumps as the Servo's in that ABS mechanism orient themselves to their top/ upper position. In his car if you did not know what was making the noise, it is hard to determine just where exactly it comes from as far as sound direction is concerned. Granted that his Cavalier has the Delco VI system, which has been since changed to a newer model.
I also have a 2001 Silverado that also makes a very slight noise that can sometimes be heard - three thumps (very, very faint) as the ABS self tests. Don't know if this may be your culprit but if it is, according to several of the repair manuals for GM braking systems, it is a normal ocurrence. Just some food for thought........
Generally speaking it depends on your driving habits (for example taking off from the stop light at 4000RPMs) you shouldn't need to change your oil until about 5K miles even more so with synthetics. I go by the oil life monitoring system but if it doesn't go off by 5K miles I just change it. There is a suggested time frame you should change your oil if the oil life light doesn't come on not sure if its 1 year or 6 months.
When I was over in Europe my Europenan co-workers asked why Americans changed there oil every 3K miles they just couldn't comprehend it. One of them had a 1 year old Audi TT with 30K miles and he only changed the oil 2x (used synthetic oil).
For what it's worth, my owner's manual says change after 1 year if the monitor doesn't recommend it before then.
The thumping noise is apparently a normal function of the emission system. I have also heard it during cold weather, and someone from another forum answered the same question for me with this TSB info (thanks to balchwoman from "another forum"):
"Regarding the odd popping noise in the back, I noticed the same thing and did some research and found the following:
The "back firing" noise thing is normal. Service Information Regarding a Pop/Clunk Noise From the Rear of the Vehicle on Initial Cold start and/or During the Warm-Up Drive Cycle -
Inform Customer of Normal EVAP Vent Solenoid Operation #04-06-05-009B -
(May 26, 2005)
This applies to the 2005-2006 Equinox, 2006 Pontiac Torrent and 2002 to 2006 the Saturn VUE
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide service information regarding a normal characteristic of the evaporative emissions (EVAP) control system On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) testing. Some customers may comment that they hear a pop/clunk noise similar to a backfire type noise from the rear of the vehicle during initial cold start and/or during engine warm-up.
The noise may be generated from the EVAP vent solenoid opening and closing during the OBD test. The engine control module (ECM) or powertrain control module (PCM) performs the EVAP OBD test each ignition cycle the test parameters are met. For test parameters, refer to "EVAP System Diagnostics"
or "Inspection/Maintenance (I/M) Evaporative Emission (EVAP) System Set Procedure" in the appropriate Service Manual or SI.
Important: To help confirm that the EVAP vent solenoid is the noise the customer is hearing, the service technician should have the customer sit in the vehicle and listen to the EVAP vent solenoid being cycled using the TECH 2. This operation can be found in the Powertrain/Special Function
section of the TECH 2 menu.
If the noise from the customer comment was from the EVAP vent solenoid, no service is required. Replacing the vent solenoid will not change the normal sound of the required EVAP vent solenoid test.
If the noise from the customer comment was not from the EVAP vent solenoid, the technician should continue diagnosing the customer's concern."
AS far as sound, i think it is very quite compared to my Hyundai elentra. The Torrent has great power and is better in my opinion then the Buikc Rendevous we have. Buick is bigger and is cushier in the ride.
I to did not get the coin holder. The Equinox I test drove had one, but my Torrent did not. Also the Equinox included a tool to remove the Antenna and I did not get that either.
What I thought was very weird is most got the same hatch area as the Equinox with a adjustable shelf. I do not have that option. just a spot to put in a roller type cover..which BTW you cannot purchase. (anyone have a idea?)
My only complaint so far is when the car starts up..at times it hesitates and takes off. If I am not careful...i have a fealing it may lung into something sometime. Also gas mileage is just down right horrible. 19.4 first tank. 18 second tank and my third tank...a rough 226 miles for a 14.4 fill up. Thats only 15.6 folks. HORRIBLE just Horrible.
Time to place the order.
Regarding your hesitation on start up, mine does the same think sometimes especiall if I just start engine and take off immediately. If I start then wait about 10 seconds, much better. No lunging then.
The front wheel drive model has the 20 gallon fuel tank. The AWD model still has the 16 gallon fuel tank. It's an error in the Pontiac website. I sent an email to Pontiac but they still have not corrected the error. Here is the response from Pontiac:
"Thank you for contacting Pontiac and your interest in the 2007 Torrent. We appreciate the time you have taken to write us. The website is in error. The fuel tank for the Torrent AWD is approximately 16 gallons. It is the same capacity as the Equinox AWD. We will escalate this issue to our web site team. Thank you for brining this to our attention. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused."
My AWD Torrent so far is running great only 2000 miles on it.. I get around 25-26 MPG however I discovered a leak under the right side passenger seat. Looks like rain water and I am not sure where it is comming from. Has anyone out there have the same issue?? I have not taken it back to Pontiac yet....
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If it's not RCA's then I'm sure it's some sort of phono jack, and those adapters are just as easy to come by. The hard part is going to be figuring out how to take apart the dash to get the radio out. I've not seen any screws anywhere, and I don't want to just start grabbing panels and pulling...
guess I'll stick with XM...
My XM trial subscription ran out last week, so my interest is about to peak. If I don't find something out soon, I'm going to have to start tearing apart my dash... and I really don't want to do that blindly.