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The tune was $650.00 for the thing. That again was with no labor involved other than my own.
I think the older XJs are much-maligned, but I can't say that it is undeserved. What one might say in fairness is that *in spite* of a deserved bad reputation, the cars have merits worth noting and appreciating beyond the more common cars of the period. This is why I think they'll end up with the old Bentleys and not with the Jaguar 3.8 sedans, which were much loved in their own time and much so now.
And I fell in love with this car. My husband did not. He says that the car has a bad reliability reputation.
Any comments?
Thanks a lot.
Perhaps there are some other reasons he doesn't like it? I can see where the car might appeal to a woman more, yes, so maybe this is more of an issue? (I'm just trying to put my own attitudes in the situation, as if I were the guy...:)
Besides, the car carries a generous warranty, so what's to worry about?
Mine is very used: 1990 xj6 sovereign 4 door sedan...What worries me is this: I went to research the car of which I was told at first it was a 1992.. however.. turned out to be a 1990...
Anyway tonight on the internet I discovered some very scary consumer complaints on the website for the National Traffic and Safety Assoc. (government category)...:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/compmmy1.cfm
What frightens me is the fact that so many of these cars are surging themselves out of gear and into walls, cars, and even 1 consumer said his xj6 went into a pool... If you check under xj6 and also sovereign... you will see the problems reported and also recalls on this website.
I am so worried with all of these cars slipping from drive to reverse... from park to drive... etc.. that someone could really get hurt.. I have small children and now I am panicked!!!
Any suggestions as to why these cars are slipping gears? I even discovered other years in the jag doing the same thing. Can I depend on a mechanic to tell me I may or may not have a problem.
Help Please...
Or I'm gonna sell. Too bad I didn't know this information before I purchased. What a beautiful ride... especially for the price I got it for.. I couldnt' buy an "UGLY CAR" for this price... these cars really lose their value.. but certainly don't lose their curb appeal, looks... and lustre.
Thanks anyone...
Hey out there Mr. Shiftright.. you seem pretty knowledgeable.... any suggestions?
beachjag - I am not familiar with the problem, but then I don't know much about the V6. I would suggest that you search the archives at www.jag-lovers.org you will find details there if anyone has reported it, and you will probably find information on resolving the problem.
It may very well be that on these cars the spacing between gas and brake is too small, or the pedals are too large, or the shift lever is tricky to operate--I don't know--but that's still the driver motoring into the swimming pool, not the car.
Forget it...enjoy your car, find a good mechanic, do your maintenance religiously and most of all, drive with safety and concentration.
I think this is the old Audi nonsense all over again. It occurs in periodic episodes, like witch-hunting.
I absolutely love this car...
Any suggestions as to where to go on the internet with the vin number to find out what repairs have been made to the car?
Thanks again...
Beachjag..(Pam)
www.carfax.com
They charge for the service, but you may find it useful...they'll tell you about any massive collision work or if the car was ever salvaged or part of a Lemon Buy Back. But they can't know everything, and if the car had a serious fender bender, it may not show up on Carfax.
You can also (usually) go to the dealership where the car was serviced and ask to see the records.
This is not to say that these cars are the worst by any means..one could point to equally troublesome Audis and Saabs of that era. I could run off a pretty good list of ills for those two! In that sense, Jaguars get more abuse than they deserve, they weren't any worse than some other European products. But no sense trying to rewrite history...some of those Jaguars were pretty awful, good looks aside. (Do we forgive beautiful cars as easily as we do beautiful people? I think so myself).
But as usual, knowledge is power, and current owners have more resources and info than the first owners did! So you are fortunate in that respect, and you have a much better chance for success than did the original owner of your car. I can understand the deferred maintenance. The service and parts were outrageously priced and often badly administered when the car was new. $600 for an ignition module? ACK!
There were 5,380 XJ-S imported to the US in 1987, but I don't have the coupe/cab breakdown.
Thanks for your help!...
Various models and years will have their own sets of problems, but the newer you buy the better off you are with these cars.
You should expect upkeep to be expensive, that's why the cars are so cheap! Everyone's reluctant to pay the costs or fear the repairs. As a rule of thumb, though, if you start off with a good car, $100/150 a month should take care of most maintenance items and the inevitable repair. Much depends on how much you drive and how hard. I myself demand a lot of a car and can't tolerate any defects so I might incur considerably more costs than the person driving conservatively 100 miles a week and who doesn't mind this little rattle and that non-working window and this little smell or that little leak.
Working on the car yourself as much as possible is a great idea, if you have that skill, because if you just drop it off at the jaguar repair shop and say "fix it", you could get discouraged...so again, knowledge is power. Certainly, armed with a set of factory manuals, you should be able to do basic maintenance and save substantial money.
Club members are very helpful, albeit very biased in opinion...so get a variety of opinions before leaping into something expensive.
There is an affiliated commercial site www.jagweb.com
These locations were a god send for information on my XJ-S
Before I dive into this project, however, I do want to do my homework - this is just the beginning.
i owned a bmw 740i right now and wondering to trade with a 96 jaguar xjr, but i heard that jaguars below 98 has an electrical problem and expensive maintanance, can anybody help me out here?? and give me some advice?
If you can support a BMW 740i out of warranty, you can support a Jaguar out of warranty. If the 740 would be a burden, so with the Jag IMO. AS for "problems", just about any complex car 4 or more years old is going to develop glitches...it would be, in my opinion, unrealistic to think otherwise. What you don't want is catastrophic failure, and there's no reason a very well kept rigorously maintained Jaguar of that age should do something that disastrous.
That is ridiculous to me. I also have a '75 corvette that I restored. I drive the piss out of it. All I have to do is change the oil and put gas in it. No problems. I want a "touring car". One I can drive from coast to coast. I thought that was the intention of the builders of the XJ6 Vanden Plas. From reading all the posts here, it sounds as if the Jag is all show and no go. Can you guys clue me in please??????
If the VP is a 6cyl then that will help as many of the problems are directly related to the 12 cyl engine. But make no mistake, a Jag isn't a MGB. It is hugely complex electrically, and is full of Lucas electrics - fo Lucas read lousy. Even in 91, Ford's impact wasn't being felt that much in Jaguar production lines.
Specifically what to look for:
Internal electricals - esp. cruise control
Engine electricals - ignition, distributor
Cooling system - blocked radiators, cracked fans, failed aux. fans
Oil leaks
Those are the obvious ones that speing to mind.
The cost is so high because the parts are so expensive - a new cruise control actuator is around $500, I just bought a new set of cooling hoses - $460 Canadian plus labour (there are 22 of them).
If you want complex AND reliable (reasonably), then buy a Benz....but more often than not, complex and reliable don't walk hand in hand, unless the engineering, metallurgy and quality control are superb.
Mercedes taught the world how to mass-produce a complex luxury car in huge numbers...Lexus got the message...Jaguar is catching up finally, as is Cadillac, Lincoln, etc. I don't think by 1991 all the lessons had been learned, but certainly some had.
If you bought that 1991 and after three years you came out with $100/150 a month in total maintenance and repairs, if I were you I'd be grateful
I still have a hard time with a V6 in the XJ-S though - the 6.0 V12 was available in 94 too.
Has anyone here heard of Triple A (supposedly a division of Ford)?
Does this cost sound reasonable?
Should I spend the extra money and upgrade to a new used car in the next decade (90's)?
Otherwise, the car is in pretty good shape. It will probably need upholstery work in the next couple of years. The tran was rebuilt 7-8 years ago. Who knows what else might go on a car this age.
This is a daily drive car.
Thanks for the feedback.
The money sounds quite steep for what you are getting - a V-12 that few people have heard of. The valve seats can be repaired for less, but who knows what else might be wrong in the engine.
You could 'lump' the car by putting a chevy V-8 in it (geez did I really say that).
Or you could sell the car to a restorer and cut your losses.
Oh, and bear this in mind - you could buy a low mileage 86 XJ-S for that $9000!!!!!
I recently found a '92 xj6 with 90,000 miles for $8,500.00. It looks to be in impeccable order, but I haven't even test-driven it yet. I need a car, and I would LOVE to own this one. I could afford it, but I'm aware of jaguar's notorious problems and high maintenance fees. I'm a college student, and I'm not rich. I guess what I'm wondering is whether it would be at all feasible for me to pursue it, or whether I should just look for something American. Any comment/suggestions? - Thanks
The $8,500 seems reasonable to me - though Mr. S is more in touch with US prices - but that is really likely to be the down payment on a car like this. The V6 engines are probably the most reliable of that era - but 92 is still in the 'problem' time frame.
At the very least get it checked out by someone who knows Jaguars before you part with any cash - at least that way you will know what you are getting into. But if money is tight this might not be the best bet - even without problems you have gas / insurance / regular maintenance.
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I'm considering a 1990 XJS convertible in near mint condition. Every little record has been kept. It has been used as a weekend pleasure car, garage kept, flawless paint and only 28,000 miles. I realize he's proud of it at $15,500 and it sure is a beauty...but that seems about $2,000 too much. Am I wrong? I have a 1974 1/2 MGB in perfect condition that gives me NO headaches. What headaches might I be getting into by adding this Jag to my collection? Thank you. I have appreciated all of your knowledge and am enjoying this forum. Great job!
With the V-12 Jaguar, your biggest obstacle is the mind-boggling complexity of the engine and its management systems. This will be in no way a do-it-yourself car like your MGB. So, if something goes wrong under the bonnet, you may be assured of having to go to an expert and of paying out substantial sums of money. That's IF something goes wrong.
Given the complexity of the engine and the other electrical components (basically the car itself is sturdy, it's what they attach to it that can hurt you), any V-12 jaguar owner is wise to keep a few thousand dollars tucked aside for unexpected repairs...put that money in a CD, and should good fortune shine on you, you'll have peace of mind and maybe make a few dollars interest.
So my advice would be--if you can accept that fact that you cannot work on this car yourself, and you can accept the fact that you may kiss a few thousand dollars goodbye in the next year or two, then buy the car and enjoy all its attributes. But if you are not comfortable with that reality, then maybe this isn't the car for you.
A thorough checkup at an expert shop, plus you yourself trying EVERY electrical component over and over again prior to purchase, may help you to have a successful relationship with the car.
Once you own the car, keep in mind you're not driving a sportscar. Also, you'll use gas at a good clip...also, never, ever, ever, let that engine overheat...become intimate with the heat guage and with how to properly fill and drain the antifreeze regularly. This in itself is great insurance.
What you are getting for all this is a great ride, luxury appointments, prestige and pretty good performance for a big car. At $15K, that's pretty cheap for all that.
If the car has been dealer serviced prior to 95 then the radiator will probably need attention - and I can't emphasize enough what Mr. S said about overheating, the main problem caused by heat in this, or any other, bi-metallic engine is a dropped valve seat - expensive.
Look for cracks in the fan - especially if the original yellow one, or a slipping fan clutch.
Pay particular attention to the condition of anything that is housed in the V of the engine - no matter how well the car runs the temperatures here are horrendous, with associated problems.
Do some research as to cost of repairs - some parts are still cheap (relatively) and easy to obtain, some aren't and your price should reflect that. For instance a new rad is only $300, a new cruise control servo is $550.
One final point on overheating - a fluid change, or even a flush, may not work as there is no drain plug on the XJ-S (go figure), so there is always a little bit at the bottom of the rad that can't be gotten at.
Another final point - go to www.jag-lovers.org and download a copy of Kirby Palm's book on the XJ-S - it is free and is an invaluable reference, as is Kirby himself who is a regular contributor on the mailing list which can also be accessed from the site.
Thanks for your responses,
Darren