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@benjaminh said:
People who are after "style over function," however, are buying a lot of these cars with thick pillars and poor visibility. And so taste and the willingness of stylists to cater to that over function is mainly what's going on imho....
Well, sure in many cases people buy cars because they look cool (men) and are "cute" (some; but not all women).
What is really going on is that the consumer wins across the board. Today's cars are exceptionally well built for the most part (sorry Trabant).
When I test drive a new car my priorities are usually good looks (can't help it), nice interior, smooth ride, excellent build quality, comfortable seats, and 200+ hp engine capable of 30 mpg. Everything else is a bonus. I love the Jaguar-esque stance it has, but since I mostly drive alone, I love how all the instruments are canted heavily toward the driver. I am going to by coil lovers in the next couple days, along with a nice set of 18" rims and tires
In college I drove a high cube delivery van with no rear window and no cameras. Only side mirrors. And it was and is perfectly safe. With properly adjusted mirrors and a quick glance over your shoulder there is no such thing as a blind spot. Less visibility doesn't mean unsafe, just annoying.
@akirby said:
In college I drove a high cube delivery van with no rear window and no cameras. Only side mirrors. And it was and is perfectly safe. With properly adjusted mirrors and a quick glance over your shoulder there is no such thing as a blind spot. Less visibility doesn't mean unsafe, just annoying.
We have a giant pickup and towed an equally giant 5th wheel behind it last week. I'm not sure I would have called the change in visibility "annoying," per se - more like unsettling. It wasn't better or worse, but it sure was different, and it DOES make you pay ultra-close attention, if you're the type of person already inclined to do so. More than simply stating it's a difference in visibility, it's a difference in having to and being able to perceive the length of your vehicle, and knowing what you can and cannot see/judge clearly in the mirrors, and making good decisions based on that knowledge.
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But I for one am buying a midsized sedan, not a delivery van. If there's one with better visibility, along with other factors, that car gets my vote every time. So far the Honda Accord is a win for me.
Hey, I'm glad all of you have excellent rear visibility, exceptional spacial acuity, and the ability to see a chipmunk crossing the road at 50 meters.
One thing for sure is that at 43 years, I need progressive lenses. I take my glasses on and off for reading and pretty much every other reason you can think of. I am about done with my vision problems. One thing at a time,
Pretty sure that later this summer would be a wonderful time for me to buy a new Accord or Altima if I was so desired. There are going to be some screamer deals.
might be time to brush off my passive-aggressive negotiating tactic. Basically stand there hemming and hawing, letting them bid against themselves. Though I really don't think I will need anything like that at this point, sans a job change.
Altima and Camry have to be loaded with them. I see ads all the time for at least $4,500 off a Camry LE or Altima S. Sonatas are probably free for showing up at the dealer at this point (assuming they have some of the old style left).
not sure it fits here, but saw a tasty lease on a Volvo. 2015 S60 T5 premium ($37,4XX MSRP). Sign and drive, $319/month for 24 months. so in Jersey, about $500 for DMV, and 23 payments of $340 inc. tax, for a well equipped model.
Ok, I already hate Windows 7, mostly because XP worked just fine. Anyway, I was finally able to download a picture of the 18" wheels I am considering. Keep in mind the Avarus AV6 are still my top choice.
It's simple really. Do I want gloss black wheels with red inserts that match my car and brake caliper covers, or stick with the classy multi-spoke Avarus AV6 machined aluminum 18" rims that have the same finish as the ones I have now. So...boy racer or classy. Hmmm
If you are so inclined you can go look at them on my car at www.tirerack.com
Keep standard wheels and spend the money on something else. A nice new flat screen, retirement investment, a trip etc. The new wheels are just for looks and in my opinion not an improvement. To make matters worse they actually take away from the resale value of the car.
Yeah guys, I know. tire rack foiled my every attempt at showing you what they looked like on my car. The stock wheels are about 1/4 inch away from every post I type, buuuuuttttt: !
This is off topic, but you're such an active forum that I'd appreciate your input. Does anyone here have a midsize SUV/CUV that you use the third row on a daily basis? I am thinking of trading in our '05 Yukon XL and am in sticker shock over new and even lightly used Suburban prices. I wonder if any of these more fuel efficient and less expensive CUVs actually have decent cargo space in the "way back". Ford Flex did not impress. Wife says definitely no minivans... and she let me get exactly what I wanted in my Accord last year, so I won't put her in something she dislikes even if it is far more practical.
if you want real cargo room with 3 rows up, I think you are just about limited to a Suburban or Excursion. Because as you noted, sounds like you really need a minivan even if your wife is to embarrassed to drive one (and frankly, IMO they drive a whole lot better too!).
I think the Traverse (and siblings) are probably the best for room of the less-trucky options. But no clue if they have enough space for you (I would guess not).
so if you need the space, and insist on a FS SUV, just bite the bullet and get a Burban. Can you still find an old style 2014? At least that might be a bit cheaper!
@ahightower said:
This is off topic, but you're such an active forum that I'd appreciate your input. Does anyone here have a midsize SUV/CUV that you use the third row on a daily basis? I am thinking of trading in our '05 Yukon XL and am in sticker shock over new and even lightly used Suburban prices. I wonder if any of these more fuel efficient and less expensive CUVs actually have decent cargo space in the "way back". Ford Flex did not impress. Wife says definitely no minivans... and she let me get exactly what I wanted in my Accord last year, so I won't put her in something she dislikes even if it is far more practical.
I would check into these 3 CUV's. Good price for the money. Excellent vehicles. Are they big enough inside ????. Worth a look.............. probably can get under 25k
Mazda - CX5
Subaru Forester
Hyundai Santa fe.
Suv's .............Explorer, Arcadia, Pilot.................. MDX is a nice Suv pricey@ 45k.
You could pick up a 3yr old Arcadia at a very nice price. @stickguy......... mention the Traverse. if your wife can handle that look you can find a nice deal on one also.
We've got a Pilot and it's 3rd row is very useful. I'm sure you could pick up a nice, used one for somewhere in the mid 20K range. What are you putting in it behind the 3rd row? Maybe I can offer some more insight.
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I think the way he stated it he was looking more for feedback on whether the third row in them is really usable or not. I wouldn't know but I've read that the Traverse has good room in back.
and IMO almost every 3rd row in an SUV is useless for all but little kids. I sat there in a Tahoe and an MDX, and felt like a contortionist. Again, a minivan is vastly better in this regard.
@ahightower said:
This is off topic, but you're such an active forum that I'd appreciate your input. Does anyone here have a midsize SUV/CUV that you use the third row on a daily basis? I am thinking of trading in our '05 Yukon XL and am in sticker shock over new and even lightly used Suburban prices....
What about a Honda Pilot? They start at about 30k new. That's at least 15k less than a Suburban.
Minivan is the only way to go for a useful third row seat (better than suburban). If you have to go smaller SUV, the two with the most room are the redesigned Highlander and the Nissan Pathfinder. The Pilot is also pretty good. Still wouldn't want to sit in the third row too long.
My wife is in the same boat except she has a minivan right now (Sienna), but wants something new and smaller. Problem is all the SUV's have much less room than the minivan and use more gas.
I am trying to convince her to go two row like a CRV size, since our oldest will start college in the fall,
We used to have a first gen Odyssey which was an ideal size - crazy how the minivan is so far from mini now. A mazda 5 is a nice try, but the third row is tiny - nice to drive though and inexpensive.
Right - it's about space behind the third row. Most seem to have decent passenger room, but look barely able to hold a week's worth of groceries with all seats in place. (Split folding third row helps, could have at least half of the back row in play.)
We saw a Traverse. Nice ride, decent space (shallow, but wider than most), some chintzy materials. Lease quote on an LTZ was fairly high, Acadia has all the kit we need for less $. Or, could get an MDX or QX60 for about the same price... Durango rode a little too harsh and was a bit tight on space. Going to see a Pathfinder at lunch today. Santa Fe looks to be a good value, but cargo space in the way back is limited per some reviews, might see in person though just for kicks.
And with that, I'll carry on the convo in the appropriate forum. Thanks!
@stickguy said:
Also, check out the new "big" santa fe 3 row. That is pretty roomy too I think.
@ahightower said:
This is off topic, but you're such an active forum that I'd appreciate your input. Does anyone here have a midsize SUV/CUV that you use the third row on a daily basis? I am thinking of trading in our '05 Yukon XL and am in sticker shock over new and even lightly used Suburban prices. I wonder if any of these more fuel efficient and less expensive CUVs actually have decent cargo space in the "way back". Ford Flex did not impress. Wife says definitely no minivans... and she let me get exactly what I wanted in my Accord last year, so I won't put her in something she dislikes even if it is far more practical.
When my kids were very young (4 to 8 yrs), they used to fight over the third row seat in our van. Then all of a sudden the third row was their least favorite, and they viewed it as being "banished". I took the seats out to carry a smoker (not a man with lots of Marlboro's) but a giant grill. The rear seats were never re-installed until the dealer made me before we traded it.
Third row seats are about as useful as a two sided spatula. They weigh at least 75 pounds and you will be lugging that around...killing your F/E.
Thanks for all the input on the wheels. coilovers will be far more useful. It took me a very long time to come up w/ those two rims choices, because I like my stock ones too.
I was reading an article on Torque News about the 2015 Camry and why the 2014 Camry is still a great seller. In the comment section someone mentioned about how Honda doesn't do a lot of fleet sales and it sells more Accords to actual people than the Camry. The writer of the article had heard this in the past but it seems nobody can prove it! A portion of his response follows.....
"I did "Google it" hoping to find a source, but cannot. At times in the past the Accord's sales to private parties have been higher than Camry's. Historically, the Camry has sold about 15% of its cars to fleets, and fleet sales made up roughly 2% of the Accord's US sales. If that is still the case, the Camry is ahead of the Accord right now. The May sales numbers for both are in the story. The Camry is ahead by about 20%. I did the math and YTD the Camry still looks like the winner. If you have a source for both Camry and Accord fleet sales for May and YTD, paste a link here and I will take a closer look. I am a big fan of the Accord (I've owned 2), as is our Honda reporter. We'd love to do a story saying Accord is the car more families chose, but the facts we have to work with don't support that right now."
I found it interesting and have no ax to grind with either car. In fact, I presently own a Toyota, Honda and Mazda products and like them all. It appears that once in a while the Accord may outsell to actual consumers but just as often or more the Camry outsells to consumers based on each manufacturers history of fleet sales. I have heard the argument so many times stated as fact but really never asked anybody to provide actual facts to back it up.
@dudleyr said:
My wife is in the same boat except she has a minivan right now (Sienna), but wants something new and smaller. Problem is all the SUV's have much less room than the minivan and use more gas.
Not in all cases. I was pleasantly surprised to find that my 2011 Explorer gets about 20 mpg versus the 17 that my 2000 Odyssey got.
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Well, sure in many cases people buy cars because they look cool (men) and are "cute" (some; but not all women).
What is really going on is that the consumer wins across the board. Today's cars are exceptionally well built for the most part (sorry Trabant).
When I test drive a new car my priorities are usually good looks (can't help it), nice interior, smooth ride, excellent build quality, comfortable seats, and 200+ hp engine capable of 30 mpg. Everything else is a bonus. I love the Jaguar-esque stance it has, but since I mostly drive alone, I love how all the instruments are canted heavily toward the driver. I am going to by coil lovers in the next couple days, along with a nice set of 18" rims and tires
Hyundai has been dumping them for months already.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
In college I drove a high cube delivery van with no rear window and no cameras. Only side mirrors. And it was and is perfectly safe. With properly adjusted mirrors and a quick glance over your shoulder there is no such thing as a blind spot. Less visibility doesn't mean unsafe, just annoying.
We have a giant pickup and towed an equally giant 5th wheel behind it last week. I'm not sure I would have called the change in visibility "annoying," per se - more like unsettling. It wasn't better or worse, but it sure was different, and it DOES make you pay ultra-close attention, if you're the type of person already inclined to do so. More than simply stating it's a difference in visibility, it's a difference in having to and being able to perceive the length of your vehicle, and knowing what you can and cannot see/judge clearly in the mirrors, and making good decisions based on that knowledge.
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I was really talking about poor visibility in a mid sized sedan, which is nothing compared to a cube van or pulling a trailer.
But I for one am buying a midsized sedan, not a delivery van. If there's one with better visibility, along with other factors, that car gets my vote every time. So far the Honda Accord is a win for me.
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Hey, I'm glad all of you have excellent rear visibility, exceptional spacial acuity, and the ability to see a chipmunk crossing the road at 50 meters.
One thing for sure is that at 43 years, I need progressive lenses. I take my glasses on and off for reading and pretty much every other reason you can think of. I am about done with my vision problems. One thing at a time,
Here are this month's "Mid Sized Sedans 2.0" incentives:
-2014 Chevrolet Malibu: $2,000 cash, 2.9% to 60 months, 4.9% for 72 months
-2015 Chrysler 200: $1,000 cash, 0.9% to 36, 1.9% to 48, 2.9% to 60, 4.9% for 72 months. $1,000 conquest cash. $1,000 lease cash.
-2014 Ford Fusion: $1,500 cash or 0% to 60, 1.9% for 72 months. $500 Bonus Cash, $750 Bonus Cash. $750 lease cash. $500 dealer cash.
-2014 Honda Accord: 0.9% to 36 months. 1.9% to 60 months. $500 dealer cash. Lease cash $750 - $1000 depending on model.
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Pretty sure that later this summer would be a wonderful time for me to buy a new Accord or Altima if I was so desired. There are going to be some screamer deals.
might be time to brush off my passive-aggressive negotiating tactic. Basically stand there hemming and hawing, letting them bid against themselves. Though I really don't think I will need anything like that at this point, sans a job change.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
No incentives on the Camry, or Sonata, or Passat, or Altima? Hard to believe, with the huge discounts being offered on those cars in my area.
Altima and Camry have to be loaded with them. I see ads all the time for at least $4,500 off a Camry LE or Altima S. Sonatas are probably free for showing up at the dealer at this point (assuming they have some of the old style left).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Here are this month's "Mid Sized Sedans 2.0" incentives:
-2014 Chevrolet Malibu: $2,000 cash, 2.9% to 60 months, 4.9% for 72 months
-2015 Chrysler 200: $1,000 cash, 0.9% to 36, 1.9% to 48, 2.9% to 60, 4.9% for 72 months. $1,000 conquest cash. $1,000 lease cash.
-2014 Ford Fusion: $1,500 cash or 0% to 60, 1.9% for 72 months. $500 Bonus Cash, $750 Bonus Cash. $750 lease cash. $500 dealer cash.
-2014 Honda Accord: 0.9% to 36 months. 1.9% to 60 months. $500 dealer cash. Lease cash $750 - $1000 depending on model.
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2015 Mazda 6: 0.9% to 60, 1.9% to 72. $500 dealer cash. $975 lease cash.
2014 Nissan Altima: $1,000 cash or 0% for 60, 1.9% for 72. $500 bonus cash.
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there must be a load of trunk money on the altima too.
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2014 Toyota Camry: 0% for 60, 1.9% for 72. Or $1000 bonus cash. $1200 lease cash for 24 months, $500 bonus cash, $500 lease cash for 36 months,
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2014 VW Passat 1.8t: 0% for 60 months, 0.9% for 72 months. Plus $1,000 bonus cash. Or $1,250 dealer cash.
$3,000 lease bonus cash
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not sure it fits here, but saw a tasty lease on a Volvo. 2015 S60 T5 premium ($37,4XX MSRP). Sign and drive, $319/month for 24 months. so in Jersey, about $500 for DMV, and 23 payments of $340 inc. tax, for a well equipped model.
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Epa combined mpg ratings for midsize cars with standard engine and auto....
31
Altima, Mazda6
30
Accord
29
Sonata, Malibu
28
Fusion, Passat
27
Optima
24
Chrysler 200
What are we missing?
Ok, I already hate Windows 7, mostly because XP worked just fine. Anyway, I was finally able to download a picture of the 18" wheels I am considering. Keep in mind the Avarus AV6 are still my top choice.
It's simple really. Do I want gloss black wheels with red inserts that match my car and brake caliper covers, or stick with the classy multi-spoke Avarus AV6 machined aluminum 18" rims that have the same finish as the ones I have now. So...boy racer or classy. Hmmm
If you are so inclined you can go look at them on my car at www.tirerack.com
cski: Just curious. Can you post pix of what your standard wheels look like now?
I vote classy. But I am old
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Keep standard wheels and spend the money on something else. A nice new flat screen, retirement investment, a trip etc. The new wheels are just for looks and in my opinion not an improvement. To make matters worse they actually take away from the resale value of the car.
Yeah guys, I know. tire rack foiled my every attempt at showing you what they looked like on my car. The stock wheels are about 1/4 inch away from every post I type, buuuuuttttt: !
I like the ones on it. Rarely am I a fan of aftermarket
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I agree with stickguy.
I agree also. The black rims will look ghetto. Think about this long and hard. Your car is very sharp looking with the stocks on there now..
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
I like the stock wheels as well, although I appreciate the desire for something unique. In which case, definitely the silver.
This is off topic, but you're such an active forum that I'd appreciate your input. Does anyone here have a midsize SUV/CUV that you use the third row on a daily basis? I am thinking of trading in our '05 Yukon XL and am in sticker shock over new and even lightly used Suburban prices. I wonder if any of these more fuel efficient and less expensive CUVs actually have decent cargo space in the "way back". Ford Flex did not impress. Wife says definitely no minivans... and she let me get exactly what I wanted in my Accord last year, so I won't put her in something she dislikes even if it is far more practical.
@cski, I'd leave the factory rims on until you how the new suspension works out. I'll add my vote to them looking pretty good.
if you want real cargo room with 3 rows up, I think you are just about limited to a Suburban or Excursion. Because as you noted, sounds like you really need a minivan even if your wife is to embarrassed to drive one (and frankly, IMO they drive a whole lot better too!).
I think the Traverse (and siblings) are probably the best for room of the less-trucky options. But no clue if they have enough space for you (I would guess not).
so if you need the space, and insist on a FS SUV, just bite the bullet and get a Burban. Can you still find an old style 2014? At least that might be a bit cheaper!
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@ahightower, best bet to try would be one of the GM triplets. Other than that, big is the only way to go.
I would check into these 3 CUV's. Good price for the money. Excellent vehicles. Are they big enough inside ????. Worth a look.............. probably can get under 25k
Mazda - CX5
Subaru Forester
Hyundai Santa fe.
Suv's .............Explorer, Arcadia, Pilot.................. MDX is a nice Suv pricey@ 45k.
You could pick up a 3yr old Arcadia at a very nice price. @stickguy......... mention the Traverse. if your wife can handle that look you can find a nice deal on one also.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
@ahightower
We've got a Pilot and it's 3rd row is very useful. I'm sure you could pick up a nice, used one for somewhere in the mid 20K range. What are you putting in it behind the 3rd row? Maybe I can offer some more insight.
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I think the way he stated it he was looking more for feedback on whether the third row in them is really usable or not. I wouldn't know but I've read that the Traverse has good room in back.
I interpreted it as needing cargo space with the 3rd row up. A lot of SUVs have barely enough for a few shopping bags.
Also, check out the new "big" santa fe 3 row. That is pretty roomy too I think.
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and IMO almost every 3rd row in an SUV is useless for all but little kids. I sat there in a Tahoe and an MDX, and felt like a contortionist. Again, a minivan is vastly better in this regard.
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If you only need occasional extra cargo capacity, get a roof top cargo box. I have a 17 cu/ft that works great on my 2002 Explorer.
one problem with my RDX> No roof rails so I can't use my rooftop bag.
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Those bags kill your mileage. Hard shell boxes don't cut the mileage as much.
cski: Same here. I like what's on your Optima now better.
What about a Honda Pilot? They start at about 30k new. That's at least 15k less than a Suburban.
No worries - Yakima and Thule both make rack to fit your RDX.
Minivan is the only way to go for a useful third row seat (better than suburban). If you have to go smaller SUV, the two with the most room are the redesigned Highlander and the Nissan Pathfinder. The Pilot is also pretty good. Still wouldn't want to sit in the third row too long.
My wife is in the same boat except she has a minivan right now (Sienna), but wants something new and smaller. Problem is all the SUV's have much less room than the minivan and use more gas.
I am trying to convince her to go two row like a CRV size, since our oldest will start college in the fall,
We used to have a first gen Odyssey which was an ideal size - crazy how the minivan is so far from mini now. A mazda 5 is a nice try, but the third row is tiny - nice to drive though and inexpensive.
Right - it's about space behind the third row. Most seem to have decent passenger room, but look barely able to hold a week's worth of groceries with all seats in place. (Split folding third row helps, could have at least half of the back row in play.)
We saw a Traverse. Nice ride, decent space (shallow, but wider than most), some chintzy materials. Lease quote on an LTZ was fairly high, Acadia has all the kit we need for less $. Or, could get an MDX or QX60 for about the same price... Durango rode a little too harsh and was a bit tight on space. Going to see a Pathfinder at lunch today. Santa Fe looks to be a good value, but cargo space in the way back is limited per some reviews, might see in person though just for kicks.
And with that, I'll carry on the convo in the appropriate forum. Thanks!
When my kids were very young (4 to 8 yrs), they used to fight over the third row seat in our van. Then all of a sudden the third row was their least favorite, and they viewed it as being "banished". I took the seats out to carry a smoker (not a man with lots of Marlboro's) but a giant grill. The rear seats were never re-installed until the dealer made me before we traded it.
Third row seats are about as useful as a two sided spatula. They weigh at least 75 pounds and you will be lugging that around...killing your F/E.
Thanks for all the input on the wheels. coilovers will be far more useful. It took me a very long time to come up w/ those two rims choices, because I like my stock ones too.
I was reading an article on Torque News about the 2015 Camry and why the 2014 Camry is still a great seller. In the comment section someone mentioned about how Honda doesn't do a lot of fleet sales and it sells more Accords to actual people than the Camry. The writer of the article had heard this in the past but it seems nobody can prove it! A portion of his response follows.....
"I did "Google it" hoping to find a source, but cannot. At times in the past the Accord's sales to private parties have been higher than Camry's. Historically, the Camry has sold about 15% of its cars to fleets, and fleet sales made up roughly 2% of the Accord's US sales. If that is still the case, the Camry is ahead of the Accord right now. The May sales numbers for both are in the story. The Camry is ahead by about 20%. I did the math and YTD the Camry still looks like the winner. If you have a source for both Camry and Accord fleet sales for May and YTD, paste a link here and I will take a closer look. I am a big fan of the Accord (I've owned 2), as is our Honda reporter. We'd love to do a story saying Accord is the car more families chose, but the facts we have to work with don't support that right now."
I found it interesting and have no ax to grind with either car. In fact, I presently own a Toyota, Honda and Mazda products and like them all. It appears that once in a while the Accord may outsell to actual consumers but just as often or more the Camry outsells to consumers based on each manufacturers history of fleet sales. I have heard the argument so many times stated as fact but really never asked anybody to provide actual facts to back it up.
Not in all cases. I was pleasantly surprised to find that my 2011 Explorer gets about 20 mpg versus the 17 that my 2000 Odyssey got.
My RDX gets better mpg than the odyssey did. Huge difference on the highway
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2000 model year is light years ago in terms of fuel economy. The current Ody is rated 19/28 and the Sienna is similar.
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