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My point was that her car would clean up the tires slowly when they were on the rear... So she doesn't need a new set of tires, unless there was something about the tires causing the problem.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I also welcome anyone else's opinion.
But, even if the bolt pattern is the same, you still have to worry about the offset.. This is the distance that the mounting plate on the wheel is offset from the centerline... It is expressed in millimeters.. Usually somewhere between 20 and 50...
That is where the clearance issues usually come in..
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Ahhhh..........vibrate?
Yup, just vibrate. But if you fix the alignment and do a rotation, you'll probably not experience that.
Apparently, he has some personal problems that will keep him away from the Forums ... at least for now.
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shl72953, "Toyota Highlander" #10141, 21 Jul 2005 8:30 pm
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I've racked my brain for 2 days trying to figure something out.
The only thing I can think of is a resonant - like a bell ringing: The tire gets impacted - the tire resonates dimensionally - as the footprint is affected by the resonance it loses traction - the suspension jumps.
Steel belts? - well.....they are steel, so they would not stretch length wise. May be width wise stretch, but the belts criss-cross, so the deformation of the belts would be small and I think the inflation pressure would immediately cause the belt to go back to its original position. So I don't like this as an operating theory.
The more I think about it, the more I like the resonance theory.
I think the oil foam would be the best explaination, as it would take a few minutes to dissipate, and I'm not sure one hit would heat the shocks enough.
lol, I'm glad I was able to give you and Pathstar1 a project to chew on. :-)
Steve, Host
I like the bottoming of the shock theory better than my "bell ringing" theory.
[He said, humbly bowing to superior intellect.]
Yes, I'm old.
All shocks I've ever had to replace were worn out due to leaking around the seals. Most "rebuildable" shocks are rebuildable to replace seals and adjust valving, not to replace oil. If you're interested enough you can purchase the rebuildable type. They are rather expensive though.
Given the prior post, yes. Rebuildable ones are indeed more expensive, but I think it is because the majority of the market ARE disposable shocks. I also would think that shock body damage is pretty rare.
He also said it is common for the oil to become contaminated by the stuff that is rubbed off during the shock's travel - rubber bits, metal - and some people interpret this as the oil being worn out.
I ask about our scenario with the tree limb, and he doesn't think the shock is the source of the bounce. He leans more towards the spring binding, and maybe the spring coming out of its perch.
I will be driving in all conditions, lots of snow, and would prefer a year-round tire as I have no place to store winter ones. Thanks!
After some researching, we switched them for Bridgestone Turanza LS-H tires. They are more expensive, but the improved ride and handling made the Outback into a totally different car. They are terrific in the rain, and handled the snow around Toronto and the Golden Horseshoe just fine.
Enjoy the Outback!
Doug
Every one I know who owns them raves about them.
Sly
Greuper
On Michelins site it's rated at 10 for snow. It's rated at 10 for wet traction.
My Harmony tires were rated 9. Should be great in snow. It looks a little like the X-0ne used to look. After the tread wears down more than half way, there may not be as much siping left and that lowers the snow grip substantially.
I don't find an hx version for this tire. You can use the pulldown menu labeled Find a Specific Tire at the right to check for various versions of tires.
http://www.michelinman.com/catalog/index_5.html?source=homepage
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The Sandman
I've got these tires as OEM 17" for my Mazda 6. After 12K miles on these tires, I can comfirm your rumor.
Dry traction is okay at best, but they will squeal easily if you push them hard. Not very confidence inspiring at all.
Wet traction is terrible! From a dead stop, it's hard NOT to have them slip on wet pavement. Cornering in wet pavement should be taken with great caution, as they break traction much sooner than in dry conditions. I know all tires do, but not to this extent! There's little hydroplaning on the highway, but as the tread wears, it's only getting worse.
Snow driving should be avoided at all cost! Living in upstate NY, when we sometimes measure snowstorm totals in feet instead of inches, tires with great traction are crucial. With 1" of snow, and the tires having only 4K miles on them, my traction control light almost stays on. With slushy snow or ice, there's barely any traction through turns, and stopping for a red light gets scary! They were so bad, I bought a set of snow tires and wheels after the first snowstorm last year.
Granted, I sometimes like to drive aggressively, but I have these problems with the Michelins when I'm on my best behavior as well.
Michelin rates their tires based on other tires they sell in the same class. Yeah, they rate well in wet and snow traction, but it's only against other Michelin-made tires in the same performance class, and the numbers are skewed at best. Not to mention they're trying to sell you as well. Do you really think Michelin would give bad ratings to their own tires? If you want more accurate, real-world ratings, trust what tirerack.com has to say about them. Last time they checked, they were at the BOTTOM in the grand-touring tire class ratings, based on customer comments and Tirerack testing as well.
Why do manufacturers use them? Simple, they're cheap. You want proof? Michelin sells my size tire for $187 A PIECE, while others in this class average about $50-$90 cheaper! In other words, Michelin basically GIVES them away to automakers to put on their cars, and then relies on suckers that will pay the outrageous price to maintain the OEM tires. I believe Mazda only pays $40 per tire to use them on the 6.
If you still want the Sonata, insist that they install different tires as part of the deal. I'd look at the Bridgestone Turanza for a replacement. They get high ratings, and they're less expensive.
Good luck.
Mainly there is a lot of markup in Hankook and Kumhos at retail tire stores. Compare the prices for Kumho's on Tirerack vs. the prices at retail stores. Retail stores can sell Kumho's for less than mainline makes, but still pocket more money. You should make sure more of the savings end up in your pocket - either get a great price, after researching the tire you are looking for, or get a mainline tire for a little more. (Think: Costco)
I was thinking it would be better for me to get the dealer to replace them before I bought since their cost of new tires would be much lower than mine. Of course they will try to pass it along to me in the price of the car but hopefully not as much mark-up??
I will be so glad when I have a car again and don't have to worry about this stuff!
Dealers also make a TON of $$$$ on accessory sales, like custom wheels and tires, spoilers, tinted windows, car alarms, etc, etc. Make sure you know what they're charging you before you buy.
When I was doing some tire shopping this summer, my local GMC dealer had competitive pricing on Michelin, Bridgestone and Goodyear but they're prices were not out of this world. I ended up buying Firestone's with a rebate that brought the per tire price a good bit below my dealers price. It pays to shop around.
1) Tire manufacturer's warranties apply to the original purchaser - which would not be you. Also you may be able to purchase road hazard insurance at a tire dealer, if that's important to you.
2) If you wait a bit to determine what the vehicle is doing, you'll be in a better position to select appropriate tires For example, you may not like the noise level, and this would be good information to have.
3) If you have a problem with the tires - a vibration for instance - then being the purchaser of the tires gives you leverage with the tire dealer - something you would not have if the vehicle dealer bought the tires.
Even if it costs you $10 more per tire, isn't it worth $40 to be able to control your own destiny? I think so.
My advice would be to use the wornout tires as a bargaining point on the price of the vehicle.
Hope this helps.
The problem is that they seem to leak air to a higher degree than other tires. I wonder if others are experiencing the same problem. Although my stock alloys with 150K could be part of the problem.
Thanks
The problem is that they seem to leak air to a higher degree than other tires. I wonder if others are experiencing the same problem. Although my stock alloys with 150K could be part of the problem.
Thanks
I do feel better about my car now, so I will hang on to it a few more years rather than trade for a new one, so maybe the Comfortreds are saving me money??Probably should have stuck with Michelin Harmony, like I have on the other car, but what the heck. Even my passengers who don't normally pay attention to such things as car noise took notice.
Next tire rotation I may switch out the Harmonys with the Comfortreds and take each car for a test drive. [they wear the same size, both GM, 225/16/60] I guess I need to get a life....but tires do interest me.
The Sandman
Discount Tires had a similar tread Agility by Michelin.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You can also look at the Nokian WR. I think it's rated for 60k miles. It works very well in rain, snow, and ice, and doesn't wear rapidly on dry "summer" pavement. I love mine.
I buy based on what the tread looks like for snow traction for those 3 or 4 good snows we sometimes get. Go showroom to showroom and physically inspect the tires and gauge them for dig capability.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I buy based on what the tread looks like for snow traction for those 3 or 4 good snows we sometimes get. Go showroom to showroom and physically inspect the tires and gauge them for dig capability.
I've bought some regular brands lower than top quality for cars I was going to trade in a few months and the difference showed.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I also have the Yokohama Geolander HTS G051's but have yet to mount them on another vlehicle. I'm guessing the HL Alenza are the highway version of the AT Revos. So if they are, they are pretty primo.
The Sandman