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  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    I had a 96 Trooper with rear wheel ABS only & had a lot of problems with skidding on my steep driveway if I wasn't carefdul. The front wheels lock up quickly and you loose steering control. On the other hand, my 2000 Trooper with 4 wheel ABS did great. Even when the ABS engaged I had good control. I would suspect that the 94 has only rear wheel ABS based on my experience. When I was driving my 96 I learned to use engine braking as much as possible on snow to keep the wheels from locking up and using the low range on snowy, steep downhills to stay in control of the vehicle. It was a good habit to get into and I do it today, even with 4 wheel ABS.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    On the 2000 LS in the last snow storm over the weekend. I effectively drove it as a manual, using the "3" as the std driving position in the snow, and "2" and "1" to almost come to a complete stop w/o using the brakes in the snow. Quite effective I must say.

    -mike
  • vivayovivayo Member Posts: 32
    I have just over 7,000 miles on my '01 LS and used the ABS for the first time (in a real-life situation) just the other day. They worked well, and I maintained control of the truck as it came to a complete stop. As with every other ABS-equipped vehicle I've owned (4 or 5), one of the first things I do is find an empty parking lot or lonely stretch of road and practice several "panic" stops so that I'm familiar with how and when the ABS kicks in. At about 25-30 MPH in a safe location, I stand hard on the brake pedal and don't let up. A couple of straight line stops and a couple while steering are enough for me to get the feel. I also re-do it (refresher) about once a year. I don't think I can stop any sooner, but in a situation where I have to steer, I'm able to maintain vehicle control. It's nice to know I can steer around an unexpected obstacle and slow down at the same time. In my '93 Bonneville, when it was just a few months old, I was driving along a rural 4-lane divided hiway at about 60MPH when a car (Volvo wagon) coming in the opposite direction turned left into oncoming traffic at a cross-roads and broadsided the car in front of me (Corsica). The Corsica wound up off the road in a 7 ft deep ditch just across the intersection. When the cars bounced apart, the Volvo was stopped directly in fornt of me. The (ABS) brakes slowed me enough to give the two cars enough time to separate so that there was room for me to go between them and allowed me to steer thru the 'obstacle course'. I probably had about a foot on either side of my car. Both the Volvo and Corsica were totaled.
    I won't buy a vehicle if I can't get 4-wheel ABS - and if I really want the car, I don't mind paying extra if it is an option (my pickup came std with rear-wheel ABS and optional with 4-wheel). I paid the extra $$. The increase in insurance premiums (in just the first year) as a result of me running into someone will more than pay for the option.
    Charlie
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I used to hate ABS, but found it to be pretty useful on solid pavement. Nice thing is if you want to disable it it is generally a fuse or relay to turn it off for sand/dirt situtions.

    -mike
  • gpm5gpm5 Member Posts: 785
    The sequoia and the land cruiser are now using the ABS with 3 open diffs to stop wheel spin and for the VSC system. Unlike the trooper at low speed with TOD, I noted that it is almost impossible to get the sequoia sliding sideways with this set-up. The sound of the ABS unit is the only thing I could do without.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    my ABS comes on a lot, especially with snow on the ground. Just last week on Saturday with the snow here on the east coast, they worked great. I could turn while engaged rather than skidding through an intersection with the brakes locked up.

    The gearing is great like mike said. I used 3,2,and l down steep grades too this last weekend. Not quite as a manual, but still very effective.
  • craigalancraigalan Member Posts: 2
    Long time lurker, happy to make first post. I recently relocated myself and my 99S to Vacaville, CA which is essentially halfway between Oakland and Sacramento, CA. Any suggestions on good dealers for maintenance on my 99S (and to find a good price on another Trooper)? Thanks for any thoughts. I have my 30K maint coming up and would be willing to drive anywhere in northern CA for competent and appropriately priced service.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I had my truck back in yesterday...I told the dealer I wanted my steering issue fixed. So they agreed to look at it again and figure out what part was needed, if any, etc. Anyway, they finally did agree that there is a issue (when you move the wheel back and forth on center, you can feel a slight bump; and when you lift the hood, you can here metal clinking where the bump is). To fix this, they said that they would have to replace the steering shaft. Which they said may not fix the problem, and is very invasive, a pain in the butt, and could cause other issues.

    We also checked 3 other troopers with 25K to 50K on the lot and in for various service. They all had the same thing, to a lesser extent. It is almost that the column gets worn in the center, and when you turn off of it, the metal bumps over the warn piece. They deemed the problem to be "characteristic".

    I was quick to point out that TSB's are based on "characteristics" and those get fixed and are not "normal". I agreed to drive it another month, see if it gets worse. If so, they said they would do the work, but are apprehensive about it. I am surprised that if other trucks have it, why it isn't a TSB?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'll have to check for this. Can you feel it in the wheel or only hear it? (I usually have my stereo on so I may not hear it)

    Just an FYI, we are going to have our Feb Pine Barrens Run Feb 17th, that is the Sunday of President's weekend.

    -mike
  • keepontroopinkeepontroopin Member Posts: 297
    OK so explain this steering issue again! I want to check for it too!
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    When you turn the wheel right and left on center, just enough so the wheels just barely start to turn, I can feel a little bump or play in the wheel when you first move it. With gloves on it is less noticeable. Maybe 3 inches total back and forth.

    It is as if a bolt is worn, so when you first turn, the coupling in the middle of the steering shaft moves a mm before it hits each side. It felt more like play in the wheel on the other troopers, but it was there. If I lift my hood I can hear the metal hitting either side as I turn left and right. If I put my hand on the rubber boot 1/2 way down the column, no noise or bump.

    You don't need to have the car on or moving, it might even be easier if it is off. Just wiggle the wheel back and forth 3 inches, enough so you feel the pressure of the wheels starting to turn.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'll check it out tonight.

    -mike
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Welcome aboard, craigalan! We're glad you decided to come out of the shadows and look forward to hearing a lot more from you!

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  • gpm5gpm5 Member Posts: 785
    I have a '99 trooper S with 25k and have not noticed anything out of the ordinary. I did notice much tighter steering when I switched from the B-stone to the Toyo AT tires. I'll need to check it out further. Maybe it is a wear characteristic--has anyone with high miles noticed a problem with steering? One thing I never have dealt with is a wear characteristic of the S seat. The foam seems to separate at the seam (the foam is also seemed underneath). I just stuck a piece of foam in there from the back rather than deal with a shop ripping out the seat and re-doing it.

    In terms of wear, can anybody tell me if ball joints need replacing on troopers at high 80k+ miles?
  • chomama1chomama1 Member Posts: 15
    My 2001 LS AWD Trooper has a small plastic thing that plugs into a receptacle mounted on the underside of the dash near the driver's knee. They told me it was a security device and that the car would not start if the piece were removed from it's receptacle. It was a dealer installed option to prevent theft and they wanted me to pay $150 for it or they would remove it, but I refused to pay and they left it in. Do all the Troopers come equiped like this??
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    Steering:
    I just checked my '95 S w/ 84K in 24 degree weather for the so called steering bump. I turned everything off except the engine which I could barely hear since she'd warmed up. I didn't notice any bump in the steering at the center or at any offset angle. Rocked the wheel back and forth and couldn't notice a thing.

    Anti-theft device:
    Same truck as above came with the Star-guard key. It has its advantages, but I would rather have a different type of security system. Supposedly they reroute the starting wires and stuff so that it can't start even if someone tries to hot wire it. The key only stops the vehicle from being started. It can be removed after that (valet mode). Basically it's a high-tech kill switch. I don't see too many Troopers being stolen out there so not too much too worry about IMO.
  • beer47beer47 Member Posts: 185
    Last year in NYC someone stole my driver side mirror (glass part only). I wondered why in the heck would someone want to steal that thing. I figured it out when the dealer told me it was $280 to replace. Now I always check my mirrors in NYC and elsewhere.
  • gpm5gpm5 Member Posts: 785
    I checked mine on my '99 with 25700 miles--only the engine on. Could not hear anything or feel anything. After I got home in the driveway, I checked it further. I turned it from center slightly back and forth. I hear maybe a slight tick noise but this seems to come from right under the steering wheel and has nothing to do with the steering column. There is no way I could hear that tick under the hood. Also, the steering is very solid--no play in the wheel--especially with the new tires.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Well, I am glad it isn't wide spread. The others the dealer took me to did the same thing to a much lesser extent than mine? They had about 40k miles on them. I only have 25K.

    I have some theories...it could be added weight from my bull bar that has exaggerated a very small thing? I had a drift problem when the truck was new, maybe they cranked up the toe-in, which also could have put more stress on this joint/power steering over time? Maybe it is since I have done some hard pounding over sand dunes for extended periods in the last 2 summers? Maybe it is just one of those things? Driving is fine, no slop in steering, just very annoying, and to be honest it doesn't feel that safe (even though the dealer tells me it is nothing to worry about).

    It is sort of amusing to think of all the trooper owners outside checking their steering today. Thanks to all who have taken an interest, and the input is helpful. Based on responses so far, I am most likely going to insist they fix this.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I checked mine tonight. No noises or bumps at all. Kill switches are the #1 way to prevent auto-thefts. My dad used to teach college at a local prison here in NYC at night, and during a break once he asked the guy who was in for Grand Theft Auto how to prevent his dad's 80s Buick Regal from being stolen (it had been stolen 2x) the guy explained if it's a pro, he'll come with a flatbed and all the right tools and you'll never know your car was gone, no matter what. He said to prevent the average theif a cut switch is the best. Sure enough it got broken into 5 more times but they never took it or did anything but damage the column.

    Troopers are rarely stolen. I park mine in Harlem at least 1-2x a week w/o a problem.

    -mike
  • fiveharpersfiveharpers Member Posts: 53
    In my quiet little neighborhood about 13 years ago, someone stole all six pieces of body side molding off my new firebird which was parked in the driveway overnight. Hard to believe what thieves will steel.
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Member Posts: 377
    The number of Troopers stolen per year is way down the list compared to other SUV's. Too few of them built each year. Not much demand for parts. Anyone noticed how difficult it is to find a used part for a Trooper?? There just aren't many to be found. Speaks well for Trooper reliability and driver safety.
    sbcooke, looks like you better get that steering thing fixed. I have checked my 97' 61024 miles and it doesn't do what you are describing either. If it feels unsafe, it probably is unsafe. Let us know what the dealer finds on the repair.
    Happy Trooping !!!!
  • wildbucwildbuc Member Posts: 88
    Like everyone else I went out and checked the steering on my 99 Trooper with 20K miles. No problem. I wonder if the problems that were reported might involve play in the steering, which can be adjusted by tightening the steering worm gear. This is done very simply by losening the nut and then turning the adjusting screw to reduce play. I've done it on several old trucks with success.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    They tightened and untightened the worm gear. It didn't help the steering issue. After they tightened it, it felt like I had a car without power steering but still the same issue, I brought it back and they untightened it.
  • wildbucwildbuc Member Posts: 88
    the problem does not appear to be with the steering worm gear. If they had to go back and losen the gear, they tightented it too much to start with, an error that that could have been easily avoided. Have you driven it hard off-road? Steering or suspension damage?
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    If you read back...I have isolated the noise/issue with the part of the steering column under the rubber boot about 1/2 way up the shaft. There are several ideas I have about how it could have developed, of which is a fair amount of medium off-roading. However, when I first had this diagnosed, it was at my old "trusted" dealership (who had just sold their franchise back to isuzu about a week before this developed) who told me that it was a worn steering column coupling. "Very common in older troopers" according the mechanic. I pointed out that I only have 25K on the truck. He recommended and they even documented, that the recommended repair is to have the steering column replaced at an authorized dealer. Well after 3 trips to a new dealer, they have agreed to replace the column with no guaruntee that it will fix the problem (they don't see it as a problem).

    Whew! By asking you open a can of worms, it is good to type out some frustration. I did check out 2 other troopers on the lot each with 40K+ on them, which had similar, but very much less noticeable symptoms. They said the other one on the lot with over 40K on it was the same? This has only developed over the last month. The best way I can describe it (after much thought) is like a wrench that has a loose nut holding the two handles together, when pressed no play, but not tight at rest?

    Whew! anyway I am going to drive it another month, and then schedule it for repair.
  • flyinlowflyinlow Member Posts: 62
    We're seriously thinking about buying a Trooper. Is our local dealer's $6000 rebate a factory deal or dealer-participation?

    Also, it appears that a permanently-mounted roof rack is not available. I can't believe anyone would sell a sport-ute, van or wagon these days without at least making it an option. Am I missing something? Apparently the dealer will sell a Yakima ski rack, but does this clamp to the doors or gutters? I want something that won't damage the paint and won't be a thief magnet!
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    Most stock roof racks can't handle very much in the weight department. I believe the Trooper can be had with a roof rack over seas, but who knows why they won't offer one here in the states (General Motors anyone?). I have a thule roof rack that attaches to the top door sill (I hope that makes sense). Can't be taken off without the doors being opened and the rack unlocked. I can't tell you about the rebate or yakima ski rack.

    Sorry
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    In the US. Although there are permenant racks available that look OEM. Check out some of the vendors on http://isuzu-suvs.com my webpage. Some of the vendors include: http://www.ecb-usa.com http://overlander.com The ECB ones are from australia and are made of aluminum alloy tubing and can handle tons of stuff with 7mm mesh, looks similar to the X-terra type rack, but is boat loads stronger. The Overlander has various OEM looking racks that all mount into the roof mounting positions on the Trooper. Non-US Troopers get racks and 3rd rows of seats. Don't let the OEM roof rack stop you from getting one. They are awsome vehicles. Also I thought I'd need a rack since all my other SUVs have had em, but thus far (almost 2 years) I haven't needed it for stuff yet.


    -mike

  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    Once you have the roof rack brackets that fit the pre existing threaded holes in the Trooper recessed rain gutter, you can mount anything up there.

    The Overlander Brackets are about $39 / set of four. The rain gutter trim will need to be notched to install the trim back after the brackets are on. Use a sealant / adhesive (3M 5200 marine product is great for this) between the brackets and the body and put some on the 6mm bolts so everything stays mechanically tight and water tight and rust free.

    Troopers have threaded holes in three places along each side. They are there under paint and then under masking tape. They are difficult to see even with the trim removed. The rain gutter trim pops off of its plastic hold down clips easily. Do it gently so you don't break a clip. The trim is stainless steel with a thick plastic coating on it. The trim itself is very robust. The places where the holes are located are roughly in line with the steering wheel, the split in the rear side door windows, and middle of the non moving rear quarter panel windows. Use a wet rag to wipe the scum off then look for a smooth rectangle impression made by the tape in the paint. There are two 6mm threaded holes under each tape. The "flat" mating surface that these bolts hold the bracket down onto is at about 30 degrees tilted down on the middle of the roof side. That is why the correct brackets are very handy.

    I put the Thule cross bars in all three locations. I mount a canoe or two up there. The Overlander brackets are literally bullet proof, made from a roughly 2.5" x 5" piece of 1/8 inch thick hardenned steel. I think I could put a 3/4 sheet of plywood over the Thule bars and have a party up there and it would hold up just fine. The threaded holes in the roof look to me as if they might have been used in the factory to attach the Trooper body to a robot, or at least they look that sturdy.

    The Thule cross bars are rectangular. I drilled a hole in only one side of the Thule bar with a carbide drill bit, (not all the way through the bar). Then I put a 5/16 or 8mm bolt up throug the hole in the middle of the Overlander bracket. The bolt with washers is threaded into a nut inside the Thule bars. I held the nut inside with a needle noze plier, a screw driver to wedge the nut once the threads have been started would do also. So all you can see on the outside is the head of a bolt under the bracket. The Thule bars are plastic coated and resting directly on the Overlander brackets. This is a very low profile install. Too low for the Thule fairing to work. There is very little wind noise because the bars are so low profile.

    Yakima bars also work well with the Overlander brackets. There is a version of Yakima roof rack mounts that has an aluminum casting with a threaded 5/16 hole in the bottom. The Overlander bolt hole is also for 5/16 inch bolt. Don't buy a Yakima rack an srap it for a few parts. It is much less expensive to order Yakima replacement parts for the aluminum clamping piece and replacement cross bars. REI.com sell these parts. You can order single cross bars and most REI stores will split paired bars for you.

    Note: The Trooper roof is 4cm narrower at the rear than at the front roof rack bracket location. This is a problem if you want to install front to back roof rack rails that allow the cross bar spacing to be adjusted. The rear most brackets are about 48 inches apart at the crossbar hole in the Overlander bracket. The middle set of brackets are 2cm wider and the front ones are 4cm wider than the rear most brackets.

    boxtrooper
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I have an after market Thule rack, and love it. It will damage the paint very slightly (if anyone is ever up that high to see it!).

    The Yakima's can either be installed into pre-drilled rack holes, or like the Thule, over the door frames. I hear the yakima rack that goes into the pre-drilled holes is very quite noisy highway speeds.

    I like the Thule over Yakima because it has square bars. While not the easiest, I can remove my rack in 15 minutes and have it back on in another 20.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    send a pic to paisan, I would like to see your setup. I didn't know about the holes up front in line with the steering wheel.
  • craigalancraigalan Member Posts: 2
    No responses yet to the query regarding the best No. Calif Isuzu location for 30K maint. I have read the last 600 posts and have found a few different prices mentioned between $400-800. Is there any concensus on what one should expect to pay for 30K maint?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It's just the fluids being changed out (TOD, AT, Diffys) and a lot of visual inspections. I'd say closer to $400. I'm planning on paying around $300-$400 for my 30K service @ 40K.

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    cost me $274. That included changing trans, and differential fluids.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I whipped through 15K w/o doing anything, just an oil change.

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I had a little more water throughout my truck at 15K :-).
  • cwmosercwmoser Member Posts: 227
    I had a similar steering problem with our Toyota Sienna van. While driving, if you made a typical left turn and then turned the steering wheel back to center, it felt like something grabbed the wheel and you had to apply more force to complete the turn - an analogy it was like a catch or rough spot in the mechanism. The fix was that Toyota had to replace the entire steering column mechanism.
  • sdc2sdc2 Member Posts: 780
    I went to the local Rapid Oil Change and had the tranny fluid and coolant swapped at 30K miles. It cost about $140. I probably will continue to do this for the life of the truck. I think it is foolish to go 100K between changes as the owners manual maintenance schedule says. Sure, it might last that long, but I want this truck to last MUCH LONGER than 100K.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Some water in your car at 15k I remember that...

    -mike
  • jdottjdott Member Posts: 2
    I've had my 2000 Trooper S since June and love the big lug. Given that I bought it to serve as a glorified baby carrier (carseats + sports cars = unhappy daddy), I'm surprised how much I enjoy driving the Trooper. The enhanced cargo capacity and towing ability over a car has proven to be a blessing.

    That being said, I also have a tendency to leadfoot the SUV when in Power mode. I've noticed that when I do this, there is a rattling from the back end not unlike what you hear when a Camaro/Firebird is under full acceleration. Is this normal, or do I have something loose back there? I understand the howl coming from the engine, but this sound is coming from the rear of the vehicle. I'm headed into the dealer in the next few days for some other warranty work and wonder if this is something I need to fight with them over. Anyone else have this issue?
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    It might be something loose in the door or door hardware. Several people have reported this problem. Somewhere in one of the discussions there has been some helpful info on how to resolve these problems yourself.

    I haven't noticed too much noise from our 98 Trooper, but the rear cargo doors DO rattle quite a bit when they are slammed shut.

    Hopefully somebody else remembers the details of the door/hardware noise fix...
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    I concur with tkevinblanc's impressions of the ABS on newer Troopers. Ours is a 98 Trooper with 4-wheel disc ABS.

    1. The ABS seems fairly noisy
    2. The ABS activates sooner than I would expect
    3. I get the impression that everything is working properly, although the noise is a little disconcerting.

    Even with new Michelin LTX M/S tires, the ABS still activates quicker than I would expect.

    Overall, I don't consider this to be a problem but a quieter ABS system would give me more peace of mind.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Rattle or squeek? Possible Rattle fix...If you open both doors, there is a bracket on the base where the little door connects. I think that can be moved back and forth by loosening the bolt and then tightening it back down. This should change the pressure that the doors close to each other with and hopefully fix the rattle.

    Squeek? WD-40 the places that the doors contact each other and the base. Don't forget the latch on the underside of little door, that is a spot I forgot and caused me grief while trying to get rid of it.
  • troop2shostroop2shos Member Posts: 235
    With my '00 Ltd, the rattle from the large rear door came from the lower sliding latch pin at the bottom. I eliminated the rattle by applying wheel bearing grease to the latch & spring mechanism. The rattle would occur at all times regardless of speed or throttle position &/or road surface condition - the rear cargo doors were properly adjusted.
    It could be possible that you are getting a vibration resonance at WOT that would cause a rattle in the doors but since you don't notice it otherwise, I would also check that the jack & lug wrench aren't loose in the storage compartment, something in the hidden compartment under the rear seats, tailpipe hangars / isolators & exhaust system for too much lateral movement under engine load (catalytic convertor is under your feet IIRC), etc. Rattles, etc., can be difficult to isolate & if it is in the rear, have someone sit in the back cargo area to see if it can be pinpointed.
    At WOT, I'm surprised you hear anything other than intake & engine noises....... :)
    Let us know what you find out.....good hunting.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Is the noise from the inside or outside? It could be the heat shield on the muffler? I know my buddy's 00 Trooper rattles under WOT from the heat shield.

    -mike
  • zutrooperzutrooper Member Posts: 66
    Both of my troopers (95 & 01) have had slight rattles. The Jack compartment was responsible for majority of rattles. Somehome the jack and acessories need to be re-secured about once a year. My '95 has a heat shield on the slave cylinder that works loose everyone once in a while. Finally, I know several isuzu folks have had loose baffles in their muffler. Mark
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    Anybody know what happenned to the ITOG discussion?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Is pretty much dead IIRC. Try joining the Planet Isuzu.

    -mike
  • keepontroopinkeepontroopin Member Posts: 297
    Let me guess. It makes the noise under heavy acceleration and it is considerably louder when the engine is cold? Am I right?
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