Forester got the best safety ratings out of all of these. Plus, the all wheel drive is great. The other SUVs are great, but in my personal opinion, Forester blows them away. I love my black '98 Forester and I would highly recommend this model for anyone. However, if you're a big off-roader ( I mean BIG), then you might need to go with the Liberty. Forester is King!
Hung- Actually, most would consider it a tie for 1st, unless of course you want to include the bumper ratings :(o) In any case, kudos to Hyundai for designing such a safe vehicle.
I'm just saying that if you can get more vehicle for the money, why not get it. For the same or less money as an all-wheel drive wagon or SUV, you can buy a four-wheel drive all -new model Jeep. Unless the looks totally repulse you. The only complaints I've heard are about the short cargo area. Also the backs seat doesn't fold flat. It folded flat in the Cherokee;I don't see why it couldn't be done in the Liberty.That does kind of irritate me.Anyhow, I don't see why someone wouldn't get more truck for the buck. You might not think you NEED low-range four wheel drive but if it gets you unstuck once or twice, it's paid for itself. And Subarus are great rally cars, but the idea of Paul Hogan implying(not saying directly) that you could go anywhere in one is ridiculous. In the Outback, the only vehices around are Toyota Land Cruisers and Land Rovers with knobby tall skinny bias- ply tires ,and loaded with water, diesel fuel, firewood, chains, and with a 14,000 pound Warn on the front. A Sube wwould last about 30 seconds out there! The Jeep Liberty is at least the best of both worlds, plus it's a fresh design. Think about it.
Most people don't live anywhere near the outback or anything like it. Since over 90 percent of SUV owners have no desire to go off road and probably 75 percent don't tow heavy trailers, part-time 4WD and low range transfer cases are of no use to them and since they require action by the driver to initiate have no value to the average SUV buyer. I've never been to the outback, so I can't comment on what vehicles are in use there, but I have seen pictures on the Yahoo Forester club posted from Australia that show Foresters off-road in areas that I wouldn't take mine. Outbacks and Foresters in other markets do have dual-range trannys. Some people think that all SUV's should be primarily off-road based vehicles, but if they were there wouldn't be the wide range of models and prices that there are today. The Liberty has IFS which real hard core off-roaders look down on. But they represent such a small percentage of the buying public that DC would be crazy to build every SUV to suit them.
The lack of space and non flat back seat is a biggie for me.
I have a Husky / Shepherd mix who is pretty big and needs some space to turn around once in a while. Add some gear, and she is stuck in the back. The back seat of the Jetta (which has been off road, btw) has more room.
Also, do the back back windows open up for her to stick her nose out?
I wish the rear window would retract into the tailgate. Now THAT old idea would really win me over. The Wrangler keeps looking better and better. I just need to find a rugged trailer to put stuff in for off road (hey, the army could do it!).
The Santa Fe falls in the same class as the CRV and RAV 4 because of the wheel base. (103" vs. 106") The interior space is comparable to the Passrodeo and Jeep GC. (Body length SF-177" vs. P/R-178" and JGC-182", width SF-72" vs. P/R-70" and JGC-72") The total *passenger* space in the SF is actually slightly greater than than JGC but the cargo space is smaller (the engine compartment is larger in the JGC too). We were comparing same class "feel" rather than rating. As I said, different people look for different things. Not better or worse, just different.
As I see it, the Liberty's strengths are its looks, its off-road ability and its towing capacity. Its weaknesses are its on-road handling/manners, gas mileage and predicted reliability. I understand that DC built a whole new assembly plant for the Liberty and it may turnout to be a very reliable vehicle but, past mechanical problems with the Cherokee and Grand Cherokee provide an excellent reason for the buying public to take a wait-and-see attitude (of course the same can be said about both the Triscape and the Santa Fe). I'd certainly recommend waiting a year before buying one to give DC a chance to work all the bugs out.
"As I see it, the Liberty's strengths are its looks, its off-road ability and its towing capacity. Its weaknesses are its on-road handling/manners, gas mileage and predicted reliability."
Jeez, and I thought its biggest selling point (to the gripes of the real off roaders) is its on road handling/manners. Predicted reliability is pretty subjective, don't you think. As you mentioned, it is on the same par if not better than the Escape/SantaFe.
sasquatch- The Liberty should certainly handle better than the Xterra but I'm pretty sure it would come in last among this group. And while Jeep purists gripe about DC compromising it's off-roading ability, from what I've read, it can still handle the Rubicon Trail. In fact I read somewhere that it's actually more capable at off-roading than the GC.
I wouldn't say predicted reliability is subjective. It's more like an educated guess. I'm a former proud Jeep owner but I'll be the first to admit that both the Cherokee and GC have had numerous and inexcusable mechanical problems. So the question is: why should the Liberty break that pattern? While I certainly hope it does, I'm not going to volunteer to be in the first group of guinea pigs :-)
1. They don't call the Santa Fe a full-size SUV (which it definitely isn't) or a compact (which it probably isn't, either). They call it a "just-right size" which I guess means something betwixt and between.
2. A reliable source of not-bad-looking, bargain-priced, good-performing, Japanese-quality vehicles.
3. If you're the type of person who likes even more control, just pop the shifter to the right when it's in "D" and you can use it like a manual to control both the up and down shift points. A manumatic can be a heap of fun once you get used to it.
4. Does the Santa Fe work as an SUV? Well, it certainly should, because it seems to have all the tools. It features a fulltime, fully automatic AWD system. On normal road surfaces, power is distributed 60% to the front wheels, 40% to the rear wheels.
5. The Santa Fe moves away smartly from a stoplight. Although 0-60 mph times are really, not what an SUV is all about! Standard equipment is a 2.7 liter V-6 engine that produces 181 hp. One of the more satisfying things to me.
6. SUVs can be divided into two basic categories; truck-based a car-based. The Santa Fe is car-based. It uses a platform originally developed for Hyundai mid-size Sonata passenger car. However, Hyundai refers to Santa Fe as an XUV (crossover utility vehicle). This label is supposed to suggest that the Santa Fe possessed both car-like qualities (e.g., a smoother ride) and truck-like qualities (e.g., a "commanding" seating position)
I just got my New C&D mag today and noticed that they place the Ford Escape on the top of the mini-suv catagory. They also had the Freelander and the Liberty in with them.
He Odie, in 1979 Car & Driver wrote: "The Chevrolet Citation is not only the best US car ever made; it very well may be the best car ever made in the world."
Based on this review, we bought one...
I never trusted paid automotive journalists after that.
That why I wasted so much time in here try to explain to those Bully/Anti-"small auto makers" people know Big auto makers doestn't mean they will provide customers with the best deals! Don't forgot even a smart person like u still became a sucker in 1979, but is OK, there are so many car buyers are like you, based on awards(Recommended by magazines), how many cars already on road/ sold,etc. Most buyers don't have indeep knowledge of what they are bought, mostly look at how popularity of the car on road, Like Ford's Explorer's, Escape, F150, because of the mass volume on road now, still have people continues buying these killer vehicles even after the release of the potential serious damage crash-test results or design's problems claimed by FIRESTONE!
The majority buyers just don't care at all(They followed each other!)! The auto makers they all know this human nature, they aslo know they can't make perfect car, that why they are not gonna make a perfect one for u, the most important strategy to increase car sales to advertise through the mass media (eg. magazines, searching engines...etc), so don't play too much attention to those magazine's overall performance awards. (Those test results are mainly depended on the tester hands, just like the horse race jokey. Based on their reactions, do you agree it is naturally may have a 1 or 2 second(s) difference in responses? or the tester like his own taste?
For my previous post: link 1): I'm not recommended Ford's Escape, I just want to show all of us how silly the old news press on october, 2000 in Seattle ranked Escape to be #1 in the competion.(The test even put 2000 Motor trend magazine's SUV winner Xterra in the competition, & Escape beated Xterra?) Only just 6 months later, Escape already proved definitely not the best mini-SUV in the 2001 market, (Just look at how many recalls & the front crash test report!) It shows how silly & short sights for those so-called "Car Experts" who mostly live under the subsidize of the car manufacturers.
Link 2): I like the report about the Forester.
link 3): Also like the report about SF.
Have to defence myself a little bit against those few anti-Billtung's little clowns. I've no intended to promote SF or prove it to be a perfect car. As in the very begining I already STATED CLEARLY "no car is perfect, each car have its own strong/weak points, like I always advise buyers consider Forester for performance & reliability, if they like racing then choose Triscape, if they like cheap & advance sylling & comfortable+Saftey then take a look at SF.......
That all!... But really don't understand how come I had so many complains from those Anti-Billtung's guys.
Do you believe it is because "They jealous my proud in owning my SF......" as most of the SF do?
I really think Hyundai are lucky to have a certain amount of customers who really proud of what they own, & let's see what happen to the survey of the 2001 mini-SUV customers statisfaction in SF.
I think it is just a more modern look, downgraded durango/Jeep...... a little more clearance underneath, 9.1" vs SF 8.3", for off road & towing may be a little better, for on-road & not towing, why bother? we still have to look at the future crashtests & customer satisfaction reports before we can really comment on this new SUV's specie generated from JEEP!
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in the 5 best trucks of the year, the Ford Escape won the small truck/SUV contest. interestingly enough, they said they liked the look of it over the Mazda Tribute.
The trouble with car rags is that they almost always go gaga over the latest thing to hit the market. Reliability means little or nothing to them. It'll be interesting to see how the Liberty fairs in their comparison tests. If they stick to their typical SUV biased criteria (HP, off-road and towing abilities), it should get the most votes.
Bill- "we still have to look at the future crashtests & customer satisfaction reports before we can really comment on this new SUV's specie generated from JEEP
Whoa... deja vu! That sounds exactly like what was said about the Santa Fe a few months ago :-)
Here are my comments about the Jeep Liberty: What I like> 1. I really like the Dark Garnet Pearl Coat color of the Liberty. 2. A jack, jack handle tools box that look very nice and store is right under the rear passenger seat. 3. All of the doors armrest seem very comfortable as it layout. 4. The rear-center seatbelt layout is very nice. 5. The Compass and Thermometer for everyone to see 6. Nice CD changer mount at the side of the car. 7. Nice Steering layout feature buttons. 8. Towing and Loading weight are good because of the engine size.
What I don't like> 1. I don't like the spare tire on the back (look at the crash test) 2. Overhead console does not have the sunglass holder. 3. I don't see the clock 4. Compartment at the doors not to much space to put anything 5. I don't see any hidden cargo spaces 6. 65/35 seats folding (I rather have 60/40 or 50/50) 7. Seem like the rear trunk door open sideway instead of "up". What happen on raining day? 8. The front cup-holder to close to each other and you could mistake pick up the passenger drink. 9. Gas Mileage might be very hurt because of the engine size.
**I don't really like the layout of the Liberty Exterior but the Interior rather okay! Price ?***
Be nice guys. Hung is trying to post constructive criticism and frankly I'm impressed with his effort. Some items may appear to be petty to you but everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion. For instance, I myself have a pet peeve with sunglass holders. At least in the Forester, the sunglass bin doesn't accommodate Oakley type sunglasses so I keep mine in the storage space in front of the shifter and use the sunglass bin for my garage remote.
Hung- I'm pretty sure that the Liberty's rear hatch is a bi-fold design with the glass portion swinging up simultaneous with the gate flipping down. I'll have to see it in person before I decide whether I like that design.
Hung-- I respectfully ask you to consider how petty your criteria for rating the Liberty and SUVs in general. It borders on the absurd. How about the power and HOW IT PEFORMS???? Or : To respond to your points: 1.Color- strictly opinion, and yours is O.k> w/me. Yes, like that color, too. 2.Why does it matter if the jack "looks nice"?-- it is a tool intended to save one's hindquarters in a hurry.Depends on how quick a tire-changer one is. 3.Agree. Comfort is important. 4.Agree. 5. Does everone need to know that you have an on-board compass? 6Yup. 7.Yup. 8. The extremely strong chassis doesn't hurt , either.I believe the unibody is 410 percent stiffer, if I read correctly.The engine size is actually smaller (3.7 vs 4.0), but more effiecient.
Don't like: 1.Where would you have the spare? underneath: gets hit and is difficult to remove. or inside: steals cargo room. In my view, outside is best.
numbers 2,3, and 8 are minor . There's plenty of room for everthing. If mistaking a drink for another is a hardship, then your're way ahead of me! Gas mileage will proably not suffer. SLightly more power, but the auto tranny has an extra gear and the new engine is efficient as well compared to the previous 4.0. If it did drop, there's no way it would be more than 1 mpg.Nothing to sweat over.-- Thanks for reading my ramblings-the count
**I like the jack tool box from the Liberty and I might consider to buy that box. It is very nice to me and I have not see a nice one like that before**
**The compass was on the overhead map lights. It is very nice there because everyone can see regardless if they sit on the back or the front**
**The liberty have the biggest engine compare to all the vehicle on this topic**
**If the spare tire is on the back then how can you open the rear hatch door swinging-up! If it does then that would be very interesting. Could it be you have to move the spare tire to the side-way first and then move the hatch door up?**
Spare tire: **loose parking space, look at the crash test, adding weight to open the rear hatch door, it might even covered-up some rearview too** Yes! I have the RAV4 before and it does have the spare tire on the back I don't really like it much. However, the car is very short and easy for parking space.
"The compass was on the overhead map lights. It is very nice there because everyone can see regardless if they sit on the back or the front"
Yup, nothing like having folks in the back seat not only telling you to slow down, but also pointing out that you should be going SSW instead of south.
I just finished reading the Jeep Liberty first drive report . . . if build quality is there this is going to be quite a serious player in this category. Yeah, I know that few people, especially in this class of suv, will need the four low, but offering it at the same price as the Escape/Tribute's AWD/4WD will make this even more attractive. I know that I personally tend to want more than I actually need and if I was in need of a 4x4, the four low at basically the same price as the AWD/4WD would be more attractive to me even if I didn't do serious off roading. Oh well, enough rambling.
Richard- You may be right about shoppers in this market segment being attracted by the option of 4-low. Regrettably, with the type of driving that the vast majority of them will be doing, they would be better off with a fulltime AWD system vs a part-time 4WD system with 4-low like Jeep's Command Trac. And yes Jeep has the Select Trac system also but it's normally only available in their top-of-the-line Limited models.
From Automotive News May 01 YTD Ford Escape 13,362 69,372 Subaru Forester 4,986 22,381 Hyundai Santa Fe 4,872 19,170 Mazda Tribute 3,493 19,605 Jeep Liberty 1,602 1,602 Other class notables Honda CRV 10,640 44,694 Toyota RAV4 7,880 36,730
Hung have mentioned the rain may wet the rear trunk when open the rear gate. Not me "TUNG". Pls use billtung to refer me in the future OK, if u continue using Hung or Tung will confuse yourself/others (maybe u hate both of us, that why u combine us, LOL!)
Bear in mind "billtung" is the "Canadian Hyundai promotion chief manager" & Hung's is "American" side & then u won't go wrong in the future!
In Canada, Liberty is not available yet, they probably testing the US market 1st. I'm not interesting in the Liberty, because I really enjoy my 5.9L Durango & its powerful towing capacity. Only hate the high gas comsumption in city!
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Forester does not have the best safety ratings out of all these. The Santa Fe is slightly better than the Forester.
IIHS Crash Test
To Learn more about the Santa Fe then visit my site or Santa Fe Forum.
-Frank P.
Funny, most Jeep people say the Liberty is NOT AS GOOD off road as the Cherokee or Wrangler. Also, don't sell short the XTerra and F150 extracab.
But they represent such a small percentage of the buying public that DC would be crazy to build every SUV to suit them.
I have a Husky / Shepherd mix who is pretty big and needs some space to turn around once in a while. Add some gear, and she is stuck in the back. The back seat of the Jetta (which has been off road, btw) has more room.
Also, do the back back windows open up for her to stick her nose out?
I wish the rear window would retract into the tailgate. Now THAT old idea would really win me over. The Wrangler keeps looking better and better. I just need to find a rugged trailer to put stuff in for off road (hey, the army could do it!).
http://www.autoweb.com.au/start_/showall_/id_SUB/doc_sub0106061/article.html
so, Outback or no Outback, but Forester is really popular down under
-Frank P.
Jeez, and I thought its biggest selling point (to the gripes of the real off roaders) is its on road handling/manners. Predicted reliability is pretty subjective, don't you think. As you mentioned, it is on the same par if not better than the Escape/SantaFe.
I wouldn't say predicted reliability is subjective. It's more like an educated guess. I'm a former proud Jeep owner but I'll be the first to admit that both the Cherokee and GC have had numerous and inexcusable mechanical problems. So the question is: why should the Liberty break that pattern? While I certainly hope it does, I'm not going to volunteer to be in the first group of guinea pigs :-)
-Frank P.
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Jeep Liberty: Round shaped head lamps look gorgeous.
Hyundai Santa Fe: High crash test rating, great warranty, low price - isn't this the best value?
Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute: Very much mainstream - provides class leading power and space.
Nissan Xterra: OK with me
PT Cruiser: WOW! Brilliant styling inside out... WOW!
http://trucks.about.com/autos/trucks/library/press/bl_escape.htm?terms=Tribute+Escape+Suv
Review on Forester:
http://cars.about.com/autos/cars/library/testdrive/blcolin062100.htm
Review on Santa Fe:
http://cars.about.com/autos/cars/library/testdrive/blcolin050101.htm
1. They don't call the Santa Fe a full-size SUV (which it definitely isn't) or a compact (which it probably isn't, either). They call it a "just-right size" which I guess means something betwixt and between.
2. A reliable source of not-bad-looking, bargain-priced, good-performing, Japanese-quality vehicles.
3. If you're the type of person who likes even more control, just pop the shifter to the right when it's in "D" and you can use it like a manual to control both the up and down shift points. A manumatic can be a heap of fun once you get used to it.
4. Does the Santa Fe work as an SUV? Well, it certainly should, because it seems to have all the tools. It features a fulltime, fully automatic AWD system. On normal road surfaces, power is distributed 60% to the front wheels, 40% to the rear wheels.
5. The Santa Fe moves away smartly from a stoplight. Although 0-60 mph times are really, not what an SUV is all about! Standard equipment is a 2.7 liter V-6 engine that produces 181 hp. One of the more satisfying things to me.
6. SUVs can be divided into two basic categories; truck-based a car-based. The Santa Fe is car-based. It uses a platform originally developed for Hyundai mid-size Sonata passenger car. However, Hyundai refers to Santa Fe as an XUV (crossover utility vehicle). This label is supposed to suggest that the Santa Fe possessed both car-like qualities (e.g., a smoother ride) and truck-like qualities (e.g., a "commanding" seating position)
Was this from the report, or from you?
In any event, thanks for the brief, direct note.
Odie
Based on this review, we bought one...
I never trusted paid automotive journalists after that.
Guy
The majority buyers just don't care at all(They followed each other!)! The auto makers they all know this human nature, they aslo know they can't make perfect car, that why they are not gonna make a perfect one for u, the most important strategy to increase car sales to advertise through the mass media (eg. magazines, searching engines...etc), so don't play too much attention to those magazine's overall performance awards. (Those test results are mainly depended on the tester hands, just like the horse race jokey. Based on their reactions, do you agree it is naturally may have a 1 or 2 second(s) difference in responses? or the tester like his own taste?
For my previous post:
link 1): I'm not recommended Ford's Escape, I just want to show all of us how silly the old news press on october, 2000 in Seattle ranked Escape to be #1 in the competion.(The test even put 2000 Motor trend magazine's SUV winner Xterra in the competition, & Escape beated Xterra?) Only just 6 months later, Escape already proved definitely not the best mini-SUV in the 2001 market, (Just look at how many recalls & the front crash test report!) It shows how silly & short sights for those so-called "Car Experts" who mostly live under the subsidize of the car manufacturers.
Link 2): I like the report about the Forester.
link 3): Also like the report about SF.
Have to defence myself a little bit against those few anti-Billtung's little clowns. I've no intended to promote SF or prove it to be a perfect car. As in the very begining I already STATED CLEARLY "no car is perfect, each car have its own strong/weak points, like I always advise buyers consider Forester for performance & reliability, if they like racing then choose Triscape, if they like cheap & advance sylling & comfortable+Saftey then take a look at SF.......
That all!... But really don't understand how come I had so many complains from those Anti-Billtung's guys.
Do you believe it is because "They jealous my proud in owning my SF......" as most of the SF do?
I really think Hyundai are lucky to have a certain amount of customers who really proud of what they own, & let's see what happen to the survey of the 2001 mini-SUV customers statisfaction in SF.
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Bill- "we still have to look at the future crashtests & customer satisfaction reports before we can really comment on this new SUV's specie generated from JEEP
Whoa... deja vu! That sounds exactly like what was said about the Santa Fe a few months ago :-)
-Frank P.
What I like>
1. I really like the Dark Garnet Pearl Coat color of the Liberty.
2. A jack, jack handle tools box that look very nice and store is right under the rear passenger seat.
3. All of the doors armrest seem very comfortable as it layout.
4. The rear-center seatbelt layout is very nice.
5. The Compass and Thermometer for everyone to see
6. Nice CD changer mount at the side of the car.
7. Nice Steering layout feature buttons.
8. Towing and Loading weight are good because of the engine size.
What I don't like>
1. I don't like the spare tire on the back (look at the crash test)
2. Overhead console does not have the sunglass holder.
3. I don't see the clock
4. Compartment at the doors not to much space to put anything
5. I don't see any hidden cargo spaces
6. 65/35 seats folding (I rather have 60/40 or 50/50)
7. Seem like the rear trunk door open sideway instead of "up". What happen on raining day?
8. The front cup-holder to close to each other and you could mistake pick up the passenger drink.
9. Gas Mileage might be very hurt because of the engine size.
**I don't really like the layout of the Liberty Exterior but the Interior rather okay! Price ?***
Mother told me I should have never married you.
Hung- I'm pretty sure that the Liberty's rear hatch is a bi-fold design with the glass portion swinging up simultaneous with the gate flipping down. I'll have to see it in person before I decide whether I like that design.
-Frank P.
I'd rather the glass go down into the tailgate, however so you can ride with all the windows open.
To respond to your points:
1.Color- strictly opinion, and yours is O.k> w/me. Yes, like that color, too.
2.Why does it matter if the jack "looks nice"?-- it is a tool intended to save one's hindquarters in a hurry.Depends on how quick a tire-changer one is.
3.Agree. Comfort is important.
4.Agree.
5. Does everone need to know that you have an on-board compass?
6Yup.
7.Yup.
8. The extremely strong chassis doesn't hurt , either.I believe the unibody is 410 percent stiffer, if I read correctly.The engine size is actually smaller (3.7 vs 4.0), but more effiecient.
Don't like:
1.Where would you have the spare? underneath: gets hit and is difficult to remove. or inside: steals cargo room. In my view, outside is best.
**The compass was on the overhead map lights. It is very nice there because everyone can see regardless if they sit on the back or the front**
**The liberty have the biggest engine compare to all the vehicle on this topic**
**If the spare tire is on the back then how can you open the rear hatch door swinging-up! If it does then that would be very interesting. Could it be you have to move the spare tire to the side-way first and then move the hatch door up?**
Spare tire:
**loose parking space, look at the crash test, adding weight to open the rear hatch door, it might even covered-up some rearview too** Yes! I have the RAV4 before and it does have the spare tire on the back I don't really like it much. However, the car is very short and easy for parking space.
Yup, nothing like having folks in the back seat not only telling you to slow down, but also pointing out that you should be going SSW instead of south.
8-P
-Frank P.
May 01 YTD
Ford Escape 13,362 69,372
Subaru Forester 4,986 22,381
Hyundai Santa Fe 4,872 19,170
Mazda Tribute 3,493 19,605
Jeep Liberty 1,602 1,602
Other class notables
Honda CRV 10,640 44,694
Toyota RAV4 7,880 36,730
Remember your question about water in back of Liberty? Go to the Liberty board and look at #829 of 832 All Wet, Jeep Liberty!
Bear in mind "billtung" is the "Canadian Hyundai promotion chief manager" & Hung's is "American" side & then u won't go wrong in the future!
In Canada, Liberty is not available yet, they probably testing the US market 1st.
I'm not interesting in the Liberty, because I really enjoy my 5.9L Durango & its powerful towing capacity. Only hate the high gas comsumption in city!