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I don't feel comfortable given the whole ford explorer saga.
Thanks!
Food for thought: everyone seems worried about regular Bridgestone's but almost everyone raves about Bridgestone Blizzaks and Bridgestone Dueler DMZ2's. I'm sure Bridgestone's are perfectly fine. If it really bothers you you may want to just invest in new tires. You could sell the others and recoup some of the money.
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baseballmom94: As I noted in a previous post, a dealer here in the Albany, NY area has (3) '01's. Black Lmt with 400 miles, Silver and White Lmt (demo's) with close to 5k miles on it. They are desperate to move the demo's so I'm sure you'll get an incredible deal on them. They advertise a 5.5k discount and will go deeper as they did with me if you're serious. Let me know if you need the contact info for this dealer. Write me directly at Ricky_san@yahoo.com for specifics.
Your team is doing ok of late as well!
Went with Tire rack recommendations of 245/75's. They are a little taller and a little skinnier but look great.
Where we live it is cold with lots of snow. This morning -15C or about 3degrees F with snow.
Life in the Great white North!
Also, does the Sequoia have a wood grain option for the dash and doors? Is it aftermarket and if so, who manufactures it? Is it an "adhesive" wood grain or does it replace the existing dash trim? If it is an adhesive application, does it look like cheap?
From my perspective you are getting a good discount from MSRP and the dealer is making a fair profit on a $40k truck. I don't think cash makes a difference here although I don't understand all of the ins and outs of selling cars.
The risk they run is that you may find it cheaper and shop elsewhere.
No...I'm not being facetious. Its just good to read a really sincere post.
Thanks for all your comments!
Rob.
36k for a 2001 is a phenomenal price but I found some S. Cal dealers selling the 02's as low as $500 over invoice.
Please ignore the immature hotair x3. Everyone of your posts has been informative. I'm sure I'm not the only one who enjoys them. Tell us if you have any problems after you drive it for some time.
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I've taken my vehicle to the dealer but they could not duplicate nor determine the cause of the horrible smell.
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Well the Silver Sky IMHO is that colour.
Question-- does the Sequoia have locking diffs? If so, how easy is it to lock them?
Have any of the weights fallen off a wheel? That would cause vibration.
During the summer we went to visit a friends cabin. To get there was off road and lots of mud. I sprayed the vehicle off and got on the highway and thought a wheel was going to fall off.
The problem was dirt on the inside of the wheel. Think about what an impact a little weight has on vibration- think about mud or ice in there. Anyways that worked for me. Alignment won't cause vibration normally while balancing will.
If it's not that try looking at the electrical system. One time (different vehicle)car was shuddering, took it in and it was a spark plug wire and wasn't running on all cylinders. I know its a stretch but just some suggestions.
It is nearly impossible to predict mileage. It depends on how you drive, where you drive, the load you carry, whether 2wd or 4wd, how long your trips are, etc. And yes, you will get worse economy in winter. Usually colder so cars warm up, often in 4wd, snow or ice will reduce fuel economy and the list goes on. From my 13 months of experience sub 10 mpg would be unlikely on average.
It does have excellent highway mileage and I don't think the EPA mileage is that far off.
MY point, in dealing with two different dealers, one has characterized his offer as $400 over invoice, then tacked on these additional charges, while the second dealer offered a price at $2000 over invoice, which included the additional charges.
My question, How does one determine whether these additional charges are fair costs to be passed on to the buyer??
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The TDA fee is real. It is paid as part of the invoice. Edmunds' invoice page tells you of its existence but does not tell you the exact amount. The fee varies by region and can be as low as $250 or as high as 2.4% of base invoice. When a dealer talks about how much over invoice they will sell it for, they are talking about the actual invoice which does include a TDA fee.
Wholesale financial reserve is already included in the invoice figure given by Edmunds.
Toyota's holdback fee is 2% of the base sticker price(MSRP), excluding destination charges and any additional acessories or options. Exceptions: In Georgia, Alabama, Florida, North and South Carolina, holdback is 2% of the total invoice price.
In addition to the holdback, Toyota has a "wholesale financial reserve". This is another 1% of the base MSRP-making the total "hidden profit" on base MSRP 3% of base sticker price.
The $347 they are charging you is part of the profit they will be making from the sale of Seq. The dealer is trying to rip you off by claiming that is a cost when it is profit from the sale.
I hope this info helps and will prevent the dealer from saying that he/she is making no profit from the sale. Remember, they will make 3% from sale and whatever dollar amount on top of that they want over invoice. The dealer that charged you $400 over invoice appears to be a better deal than the dealer asking $2000 over invoice.
Beyond that, profit is not the amount the dealer sells a car for over the invoice minus holdback and WFR. Profit takes into account all variable expenses the dealer must pay which include taxes, rents, commissions, salaries, utilities, legal fees, advertising expenses, floor plan interest and a bunch of other stuff consumers are blissfully ignorant of.
Invoice is only useful as a baseline for figuring out if you paid a fair price relative to the market conditions. If market conditions on a particular model dictate a price of $1000 over invoice and a dealer tries to sell it for $2000 over invoice, that is not a good deal. If a dealer lets one go for $400 over invoice in the same market, the consumer has done well. Total cost and profit do not figure into this equation.
Now getting back to what this forum is all about and that is to help each other.
To find the dealers "dead cost" is only known by the dealer. The information I posted is from friends and family in the business and from sources on the internet like Automotive news.
Consumers should always try to get the best info they can on the price of the vehicle they want to purchase but if it's a hot selling vehicle than market conditions will dictate price and dealers will be getting whatever the consumer is willing to pay.
I still think (my opinion) that the dealer was trying to rip off dtullar by asking for another $347 on top of invoice and claiming that the whsl financial reserve was a cost when it's part of the dealer holdback(profit). Even though that dealer was not being truthfull(his lips were moving) his deal was still better than the dealer that was charging $2000 over invoice.
shopping to get your best deal. Shopping dealers via the internet is a great way to shop. Most dealers who have Internet Sales departments are usually "up front" with pricing and information.
Dealers don't "add on" things to the invoice. If you see a copy of an invoice, you will note that the TDA fee is added by the factory, not the dealer. The WFR issue is a bit odd to me though because that figure is already in the Edmunds figure. If a dealership adds it twice, I'll agree that this is not honest.
Your post actually made one of my points. What the dealership represents as "cost" really isn't relevant. The price relative to the market is what consumers should care about. Invoice is only a reference point to compare prices from different dealerships.
There will be times that market conditions (high demand) for a vehicle will allow a dealer to sell a vehicle for MSRP or more. Then there will be times that a low demand vehicle will be sold at or below invoice.
In regards to the TDA fee, it is a legitimate cost.
woodtrim.com for a kit. Yes, they are adhesive and those that contributed to that discussion seemed happy with it. Good luck.