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  • Boris2Boris2 Member Posts: 177
    I am due for my 30K mile service and was calling around trying to find a good deal. The price that I got from two of my local dealers is $700 + shop supplies + tax. One of the dealers quoted $450 but they didn't include Repacking the bearings, which is the most expensive part of the service. Even though the owner's manual and all other dealers say it's a required maintnence service, that one said "they will expect it and let me know if I need it. If I do, it'll be $250 extra." Does anybody know if this indeed can be inspected or ones you get it, you might be better off repacking them anyways? Also, I got a quote at Midas, who is willing to do the whole service, including repacking the bearings, for $500 out of the door. Anybody has done this service at any independent shop (not Isuzu dealer)? What's your experience?
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Hey Boris2. I'd hold off on the front wheel bearing repack until you need front brake work done. Pre 2002's will require a full bearing cleaning & repack when the rotors are removed anyway. It's typically built into the price of the brake job. Change the rest of your fluids at 30Kmi & you'll be good to go. G/luck
    Joel
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
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  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    earlier i commented on how load the 3.2L rodeo was compared to let say the odyssey.well since then i've come across 46 odysseys, 29 accords,5 muranos,18 santa fes...all idling all very quiet.then you get to the north american cars like the vue,envoy,escape,sunfire,focus and the rodeos ect..all noisy when idling.no wonder all car magazines praise hondas nissans hyundais mazdas .can't ford ,GM build a quiet dependable engine like the odysseys.they've had enough years to figure it out.maybe they should send somebody to japan to see what they're doing right.and yes i do have a life...
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It's funny. You mention the following CARS:

    Odyssey
    Accord
    Murano
    Santa Fe

    ALL OF THOSE ARE CARS. THE RODEO IS A TRUCKYES A TRUCK DEAL WITH IT! IT ISN"T A CAR!

    Just an FYI, the Isuzu engine is Japanese. It may be assembled in the US but it isn't a US engine.

    -mike
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Hey Willie340 - In all fairness, if you want to do a "noise study", compare same class vehicles. Truck to truck, SUV to SUV, etc.. The vehicles you compare to the Isuzu 3.2L don't relate at all. They are ALL front wheel drive with transversely mounted engines & electric cooling fans. A TOTALLY different (passenger car style) setup than 4x4 trucks & SUV's. Sunfires & Focus's have louder mufflers on them as a marketing tool to attract young buyers. Yes my 2002 rodeo is a bit louder than my nissan sentra, but it also has 100 more HP & I love the way it sounds!
    Joel
  • leedavidyoungleedavidyoung Member Posts: 102
    Car stereo enthusiast use a product called dyna-mat. It can be placed on floor boards, fire walls, door frames etc. and will drastically reduce interior noise levels. They also make a heat resistant product for use under the hood in the engine compartment. Extra insulation is used by most manufacturers in their high end products. This is why a Lexus seems "quiet" compared to a Toyota with the same engine. A product like dyna-mat may help you to achieve a comfortable noise level in your rodeo.

    I agree with others that your comparison of noise levels should not be based on trucks vs. cars. But don't worry, the automotive industry is trying it's best to eliminate all truck based SUVS for U.S. consumers.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I think he's talking about the exterior noise level at idle...

    I agree dynamat is cool stuff. My Subaru SVX has a ton of it inside it (makes it weigh 3600lbs) but it's got a nice solid silence inside it.

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    the engine noise i am referring to is the little pings,tick-ticks,grinding interior engine noises.i,m not talking about fans,exhaust noises.the oddyssey with it,s hood up is VERY VERY quiet(quiet perfection as one mechanic put it)when you pay 34,000.00 plus dollars for a vehicle you want no expect quiet perfection,not little pings-tick ticks in the engine,and wondering when things will start to break down.the rodeo engine is built in the U.S. the company is korean not japanese.once again i say.. can't north american car companies build an engine at least half as good as honda.by the way what ever happened to isuzu's GBX and VX-4?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Willie ISUZU is not KOREAN it's Japanese. The Engines come from JAPAN. The Transmissions come from FRANCE and are assembled in INDIANA. Get your facts straight before coming here.

    You are thinking of KIA and HYUNDAI, they are KOREAN.

    -mike
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Willie340, once again, you are not comparing apples to apples. A brand new FULLY loaded 4x4 rodeo (2003) is around $25K, New LOADED AWD Axioms or Ascenders go for around $30K. I'll back you on the fact that - yes, if I paid $34K+ for a vehicle, it BETTER darn well be quiet & smooth!! Yes honda makes a better engine than isuzu, but that is why you pay $34K+ for a pretty basic honda mini-van, or honda "SUV" w/ little or no warranty. I guess I don't understand why you are on this board if you are so anti isuzu? This is a help board. Not a harrass board.
    Joel
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    About honda engines being "better" than Isuzu engines. They are just designed to do different things. For instance Honda engines have ZERO torque down low compared to Isuzu engines. It goes back to Truck v. Car engine...

    -mike
  • jbkennedyjbkennedy Member Posts: 70
    Willie is from Canada where the exchange rate is US$1 = CDN 1.5, so a Rodeo for CDN 34,000 is less than $23 K US.
  • jbkennedyjbkennedy Member Posts: 70
    I have been contemplating upgrading my wife's 2001 Rodeo with after-market shocks, specifically Monroe Sensa-matics. I contacted Sears and NTB, and they tell me they do not stock any Rodeo shocks after the 2000 model year. I went online with the Shock Warehouse yesterday and could only find shocks for the 98-00 model years as well. I sent an email to them and they responded that there must have been a suspension change for the 2001 and later model years, and that currently, none of the after-market manufacturers are supporting the current model of Rodeo.
    Has anyone with a 2001 or later model upgraded their shocks yet?
  • boxsterboxster Member Posts: 28
    Hi, all

     I have a 99 Rodeo LS 2WD for almost 4 years, not many problems untile yesterday the check engine light on.
     I will go to the dealers in Stevenson Creek, since both Anderson and Autowest in Fremont won't carry Isuzu anymore.

     BTW, how's the 30k service? I've never done any major service so far except basic oil change and tire rotation. I'm thinking about maybe it's time I do the 30k service, they quote me $650 labor + $230 parts. rip-off? Bay area people, any dealer is cheaper or any 3rd party doing better?

     Thanks so much
  • Boris2Boris2 Member Posts: 177
    If there are no Isuzu dealers in your area, you should be able to go to a Honda dealer. They won't do any warranty stuff, but they should be able to take care of out of warranty repairs. Since they deal with Passports, which is a rebadged Rodeo, they will have all the tools required to pin-point the problem.
    As far as 30K service, my dealers want $700.00 parts and labor together. I called around and will probably go to Midas. They quoted $500 out of the door price (parts, labor and tax) I was going to do it this week but because of the blizzard I'm going to have to wait till next week - the only vehicle in our family that can actually operate in these weather conditions. The manual says that you are not required to perform services at dealer as long as the shop you're using is qualified to work on the vehicle and parts used are comparable quality with Isuzu parts.
  • boxsterboxster Member Posts: 28
    Thx. Boris, actually they quoted me around $700, too. the parts are included.
    I will check with Midas, too. Thanks again
  • bama_lukebama_luke Member Posts: 27
    I've got a 2000 with about 44,000 miles and my mileage is WAY off from where it was just a year ago. We just had the fuel filter replaced in my wife's car (1994 Saturn with about 110,000 miles). While they were doing that, they also suggested that I have the fuel injectors flushed, which I went ahead and did. First, the smoke the poured out of the muffler when this was being done was pretty impressive. Second, there was an immediate, VERY noticeable improvement in power. My wife doesn't drive the car enough for us to tell in a week if there was an improvement in mileage.

    I checked the manual (skimmed over, not checked closely) and didn't see how often the fuel filter should be changed, or how often the fuel injectors should be flushed. My question is, would this procedure be likely to bring my mileage back up to what I was getting previously?

    Luke
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Luke. On the 2000+ 3.2L & 3.5L engines, the computer system monitors combustion VERY closely. If you have an engine/powertrain related issue- clogged injector, bad spark plug, EGR, MAF, O2, your check engine light will light up. Some simple things you might try is replace the air filter, air-up the tires a bit and/or try some different brands of gasoline. I get lousy mileage in the winter (Buffalo NY), just due to COLD ambient temps & winter blended fuel. Another thing that'll kill your mileage is keeping the windshield defroster on. This cycles your a/c compressor (at temps above 50degF) and increases fuel consumption. G/luck
    Joel
  • bama_lukebama_luke Member Posts: 27
    As far as I know, I do not have an engine/powertrain problem, or at least not one that is triggering the check engine warning.

    I'll replace the air filter with my next oil change, which I'll probably be doing within the next month and I just checked the tires a couple weeks ago before going on a trip. I vary the gas I'm buying anyway, so I don't think that's going to be the problem. Temperature probably isn't the issue either since I'm currently beating myself over the head at my desk instead of out in the sunny 70 degree Atlanta day.

    Hopefully it will turn out to just be the gas blend and as summer approaches things will go back to what I consider normal.

    Luke

    PS - I'm probably getting 50+ miles fewer on a tank of gas right now than I feel like I should be getting.
  • chugheadchughead Member Posts: 1
    I would appreciate if someone could help me with the procedures to change the Fuel Pressure Regulator on a 2000 Isuzu Rodeo (3.2 L 4x4).

    Is it necessary to remove the bracket that seems to be surrounding the valve? It looks like the new valve basically 'plugs' into a boot and then the vacuum hose is re-attached.

    The new regulator that I purchased from Autozone doesn't have any fuel hose attachments (just the vacuum attachment).

    My manual (on cd-rom) is very vague on this topic. I would greatly appreciate any help.

    Thanks
    chughead@excite.com
  • zork4zork4 Member Posts: 6
    I have an opportunity to buy a 2000 Rodeo LS 4WD V6 with 22000 miles. Color is white w/brown
    cloth & in very clean. This is a lease return through an auction so I need feedback quickly. Is
    $10,800 a good price for this? Concerned since
    demand for this car may be low & I might be paying too much. Please advise
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Hey Zork4, I'd say thats a great deal for a 2000 4x4 LS w/ mileage that low. That model stickered for around $28K new. A new one (2002-2003) would cost around $24/$25K w/ rebates & new pricing. The only downfall is you'll be out of warranty, but with a deal that good, your still way ahead even if you bought an aftermarket warranty. G/luck
    Joel
  • zork4zork4 Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for the information, that helps. Do you like your Rodeo? I have read Edmunds reviews & they don't mark the Rodeo too high when you consider the competing models. Also, I thought the warranty was transferable but reduced to 5/60.
    Thanks,
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Zork4- You are right. Second owner gets 5yrs/60Kmi powertrain warranty. Bumber/bumper is good for 3yrs/50Kmi, so the time likely expired on you there, but the p/train warranty is pretty extensive, check it out at isuzu.com. We absolutely love our 2002 LS 4x4, bought it new last June, only have about 10Kmi on it so far, but it's just as tight as the day we drove it off the lot. Handled it's first Buffalo winter perfectly. Compared to a blazer, explorer, durango or xterra, the rodeo is a far superior vehicle. lots of power, comfortable & roomy, well built and very reliable - easy to get kids in/out of too. We test drove'em all. The rodeo was just the best deal going. We got ours new for $23400 total, out the door price. Nothing else will come close as far as what you get for the dollar. The rodeo is going to be built untill 2005, then isuzu is set to market another mid size (cheaper) SUV along w/ the axiom & ascender. Isuzu has been a bit shakey financially for a few years now, but even if they go under in the next few years, they still have to make parts available & honor warranties. I'd say 10800 is a steal for a 2000. G/luck
  • zork4zork4 Member Posts: 6
  • Boris2Boris2 Member Posts: 177
    Does anybody know how hard is it to install running boards on Rodeo? Does it require any drilling or there are holes arealdy in place and all i'd need, in addition to the boards, is an installation kit of some kind?

    Thanks!
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    got my rodeo back from the shop last month. it needs a starter.i called in on them today to see if it was in,wasn't in yet..yikes!!! that takes a long time to order.anyway i didn't see any izusu's on the lot,it's a saturn-saab-izusu dealer,the guy said they didn't recieve any yet and doesn't know when they'll be in.if they'll be in at all.now is izusu slowing down on sales in canada/US or their sales are down.that is going to be a little troublingsome(if that's a word).earlier i stated that izusu was korean,sorry it is japanesse,although quality is not up to par with other [non-permissible content removed]. firms (but that's another story)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Just and FYI, long-term reliability of Isuzu is rated #2 behind Toyota for SUVs in consumer reports and JD Powers. Not sure why you think they aren't reliable.

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    i didn't mention reliability just quality. i haven't had mine long enough to question reliabiliy.at $34,000.00 plus it better last long enough to at least my last payment on it.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'm not sure what 34K canadian is, but the Rodeo here sells for about 23-24K max which is dirt cheap. Could you define "quality" I'd like to know what you think quality is? I personally think they are great quality for the $.

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    canadian money to USA is $1.56 .isuzu use to make suv's for honda (remember?).isuzu's did not meet honda's and their customers expectations in quality build,hence the creation of the pilot.my rodeo was $32,540.00 plus 15% tax,freight,dealer handling,air conditioning tax,gas tax and the cost of borrowing 7.9% for 5 years.this rodeo cost me over $40,000.00.with about 35000km on it i'm starting to think it's not worth it.that's just my opinion of course.if i could go back in time i probably would have not rushed into it and went for a pathfinder,highlander or even the pilot.i would of paid about 2-4,000 dollars more but i think it would have paid off in the end.you're right paisan ,you get what you pay for.
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Willie340, in regards to your post about the dealership with no new rodeo's/isuzu's in stock - I see what you mean. There is a large isuzu dealership a few miles from my house that typically stocks around 100+ isuzu's at a time. They still have about 20+ 2002 rodeos, a few 2002 rodeo sports and only 3 or 4, 2003 rodeo's so far.
    Joel
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Honda stopped selling the passport because hondah buyers wanted cheezy mini-van SUVs like the pilot. As for build quality? haaaaa that's a riot, there are more creaks rattles and loose panels on pilots than you can shake a fist at.

    As for you getting ripped on the price? Dunno why you paid so much for your Rodeo. I guess PT barnum was right.

    Offroad you can't compare a Rodeo to a Highlander (which is basically a camry wagon) a Pilot (which is basically an AWD Oddesy) and the Pathfinder is decent, but you'll pay $10K more for a pathy than a rodeo.

    Sell yours and cut your losses afterall it's such a POS in your mind...

    Sounds like you mis-judged what YOU wanted, YOU want a mini-van with SUV NAME so that you don't get made fun of at the PTA meeting is what I'm reading here...

    -mike
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    is this a forum for Rodeo "Sport" (2 door) questions too?
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    i just spent this weekend test driving some other SUV's.the Vue,Santa fe and the element..well i tell you i'll have to admit the rodeo drove alot better than those did.the element is something different,you really have to get used to it.anyway,the rodeo's engine was still the loudest.someone told me a truck engine was different.can someone tell me what makes it different for car engines?also i use 5W-30 oil,should i be using some other grade?thanks
  • jtk152jtk152 Member Posts: 139
    Willie340 - 5w-30 is good stuff for a Canadian winter. However dino (non-synthetic) 5w-30 has a tendency to thin out too much if used in hot climates, or if it's put to use for over 3000 miles. 10w-30 tends to be a more stable oil. I use 10w-30 year round.
    Joel
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    we are now in april and i'm still waiting for my starter to come in from the dealer.it's been since feb. one more thing ,when i went to the dealer i didn.t see any new isuzu's and just one 2002 grey rodeo...not a good sign !!!!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Starters are common, you should have had it in a day or 2. Maybe things work differently in Canada.

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    i got my starter installed,works great.also got the tires rotated.i've got 36000km on the truck and haven't done any maintenance on it yet.it still runs ok.i hate spending money when things are still running ok,so is there something that's really really important to get serviced even if things are ok? mind you i've been changing oil and the filter every 5000km.thanks for the oil tip i'll try 10W30 on my next oil change.
  • vishalthoratvishalthorat Member Posts: 8
    I am thinking of buying a 95 Rodeo S, as I am getting it cheap. It runs ok till 65-70 miles. After that I can feel slight vibrations. Is this common. I am used to driving a car & not driven SUVs before.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Get the wheels balanced for ~$40-$50 and see if that fixes it, if so, then buy it, if not then cough up the $ as insurance. Try to get it done on a hunter 9700 unit as they are the best out there.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'd get the diffy fluids, transfer case, and transmission changed, also the brakes flushed.

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    the dealer i bought my rodeo told me they couldn't get any isuzu products(they don't even have one)they said isuzu sold their share to suzuki,GM still owns a share but now suzuki owns the other half.has anyone else heard that? paisan,the fluids checked or changed.isn't it too early to change all those fluids.my focus is still running on the same fluids,it's got over 80,000kms on it? they appear to be still clean.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    are on your vehicle i'm having a difficult time with the conversion :)

    Just an FYI GM owns suzuki IIRC :)

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    it's not that complicated.GM owns 49%of isuzu,20% of suzuki,20% of fiat(fiat owns 5.6% of GM)ect.ect...what i was told was that the 80% of suzuki bought out the 51% of isuzu or maybe less.maybe suzuki formed an alliance with isuzu.this deal appears to be between suzuki and the remaining shares of isuzu.if suzuki bought out isuzu's 51% shares would that not mean that isuzu's could then be sold out of suzuki showrooms?anyway we'll just have to see.all i know is that it's almost may and this dealer doesn't have one isuzu in it's lot.there's a reason!! i think it is wise to change the tranny oil at this time i did hear something about isuzu's having weak transmissions.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Isuzu trannies are the strongest around actually. They use the GM 4L30 units.

    Maybe in Canada Suzuki bought Isuzu, but I have not seen any articles that show them buying out Isuzu corporate. The only thing that happend recently is that Isuzu bought back all but 12% of their stock from GM. GM now only owns 12% of Isuzu, mostly the 12% is the Duramax Diesel technology and what not.

    -mike
  • willie340willie340 Member Posts: 59
    i read about isuzu's trannys somewhere,i'll try and find the article again.i didn't say suzuki bought isuzu,i do think something is in the works.there are two dealers here that sell isuzu's and both of them have no models in stock and cannot get any yet.here is a quote from GM ."Thank you for contacting the Customer Assistance Center. We appreciate
    your interest in general Motors. Following is a listing of all GM
    Partnerships and alliances:

    GM's Current Alliances:

    · Fiat Auto SpA (Alfa Romeo, Lancia) - GM owns 20 percent of Fiat and
      Fiat owns 5.6 percent of GM.
    · Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (Subaru) - GM owns 20 percent.
    · Isuzu Motors Ltd. - GM owns 49 percent.
    · Suzuki Motor Corp. - GM owns 20 percent.

    As you can see GM owns 49% of Isuzu, however, their products are still
    marketed under the Isuzu brand name just as our other partners and
    alliances.

    Thank you again for contacting the Customer Assistance Center and for
    your interest in General Motors. We hope this information will be
    helpful. If we can be of further assistance please do not hesitate to
    contact us again at info@gm.com."

    Sincerely,

    Don Stailey
    Customer Relationship Manager
    GM Customer Assistance Center
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    But recently GM dialed out of that 49% and specifically bought the Diesel technology. I believe in Canada, they market Isuzu and Suzuki together along with a few other "gm" brands due to the smaller dealer network than in the states.

    -mike
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