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I've also read that the Jeep's 4.0 I-6 is bullet proof, (& I'm glad!) but like you said, it's all of the other problems Jeeps seem to have that makes me nervous. That's why I got an extended warranty on it, good for 7 years/100,000 miles. You know I'll be replacing the transmission, transfer case & God know what else before I run it into the ground! :-)
I'm also gonna switch to Amsoil synthetic oil, automatic transmission fluid & gear lube (for the axles) - maybe I'll squeeze a little more life & performance out of it.
Thanks,
Antz
But I haven't heard anything yet about the JGC getting it. Where did you hear about this?
I attended the Cleveland International Auto Show last March. They shown off the new Liberty, but don't let any one look inside the car!? I found this is odd. I asked the show representative if DC want people to buy it? He said yes, but DC also want people to buy the Cherokees glut the inventory out there. Any way, they also show a cut-away the new 3.7V6 engine. I asked the rep. about the engine and they said it will replace the retired I-6 engine in the fall. I did ask him specifically about the 02JGC whether it will be replaced and he said yes. However, I did notice the new 3.7V-6 engine manifold It is made of some sort of plastic or fiberglass? I don't know if it is good enough to withstand the prolong heat stress?!!! I don't know if any can shred some light to this?
Ant
I noticed the same thing about the Liberty at the NY Auto Show - I couldn't get in it 'cause the doors were locked! Odd...
Sorry, I don't know the answers to your questions about the plastic parts of the engine, maybe someone else will.
An engine will knock or ping when fuel injectors are clogged because the fuel supply is being shut off, sort of like crimping a garden hose.
Your engine is still running under the assumption that it is getting plenty of fuel. So, the fuel/ air mixture is running heavy towards the air side. Not enough fuel with too much air will make an engine ping. It will also lower your gas mileage because you have to keep your foot to the floor, and keep the transmission in a lower gear, to get power.
The higher octane in premium fuel will reduce the pinging slightly because, by definition, higher octane resists pre-detonation; pinging.
I discovered all of this when I drove a '91 Cadillac Seville. The car was great but around 90,000 miles it developed a serious ping. The dealer told me that he could clean the injectors for a couple hundred dollars or I could try Chevron Techron for $6, as you did.
The Techron cleaned the injectors, restored power, increased my gas mileage, saved money, all the good stuff.
So now I add Techron to the gas tank of whatever I'm driving every 3000 miles. And no, I don't work for Chevron or even own Chevron stock.
But I don't understand the part of your posting about an engine hesitating when using higher octane fuel. That shouldn't happen. An engine will usually run better with higher octane or you will notice no difference, depending on the car.
If these SUVs are so bad why are people still buying them. I see plenty of them on the road, and not at the side of the road but actually being driven to work and to the grocery store and through the Smokey Mountains. They're everywhere. I can't believe that people are still paying $30K+ for JGCs if they are so awful.
And how did Chrysler go from being the darling of Detroit to being reviled in three years. Who cares if rich Americans or rich Germans own Chrysler, as long as they build good vehicles?
Back to the subject, would I be better off if I stay with a no-frills Laredo with the standard transfer case and the I6 and skip all of the fancy stuff?
I admit I only need 4-wheel drive about one week a year, but it sures is handy when you need it.
Any input, either positive or negative, is helpful.
Couple of things though:
1. The back seats don't fold all the way down!
2. You feel like you're really close up to the windshield.
3. Back opens side-to-side (but window opens up). Would rather have the traditional lift up or down.
Drove a JGC for comparison afterwards. In my mind, no comparison. Felt big and luxurious for in my mind just a little more money. Ride was smoother--engine not as peppy but very powerful. Felt more secure in the JGC than in the Liberty. But Liberty is still in the running, as is the Escape (still like the Escape better than any of them). Will probably buy in fall.
Which engine did the JGC have, sounds like it was the 4.0. I happen to like that engine, very torquey.
I agree about the swing gate, but then where would the spare go? There isn't that much cargo space as it is if it were put under the load floor like in the JGC...
Yes it was really nice. I'm making a decision grid with all of the attributes I'm looking for down the left-hand rows, and all the models across each column. Surprisingly, the Escape comes out on top for me, and the Cherokee next, then the Liberty. That's how I will make my decision--on the criteria that will result in a purchase/no purchase decision.
I think it was the 4.0 in the JGC. Quite nice. The seats were so soft--felt like easy chairs.
But I hear for 2002 that privacy glass will be standard on the Escape . Might make me move sooner, as I don't like the dark interior that privacy glass gives.
The Hyundai Santa Fe, to my surprise, looked & felt much more solid (it received much better crash test scores than the Escape) & the interior is beautifully appointed with leather & brushed aluminum accents...I was very impressed. Tho the Escape does have more power...I'm glad I'm not in the markey right now, there are too many nice suv's out there... :-)
Privacy glass isn't such a bad thing - just get a light-colored interior & it won't seem so dark. A sunroof helps too. The dark glass actually keeps the interior cooler in the hot weather & your back-seat passengers won't have to wear their sunglasses back there. :-)
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Maybe if DC can improve quality for a Pathfinder-like record, I'll try them next time.
Regarding 2wd/4wd... I would seriously suggest that you go for a 4wd. I bought my Jeep in Nashville, dint think that a 4wd would be necessary. But soon after that I realized that I had to be extremely slow on turns on a wet road. I started thinking I should have taken a 4wd. Later when I had to move to Minneapolis, I just found out how big a mistake I made by buying a 2wd SUV. I wanted to trade it in for another car, I was offered $9k for a 3.5 yr old with 42k miles, and my Jeep has a sunroof, infinity speakers, dual 10-way power seats. So the resale is extremely low. So I'll strongly suggest (and I know many others will), take a 4wd.
If you are in/around Nashville, Hansen Chrysler on Charlotte Ave. downtown is a good dealership. This service manager named Pete Stobbs, is good, to say the least. Even though I din't buy my jeep from them, I had the best service from them. They even changed my wiper blade once under warranty, which is supposedly a wearable part. Well, good luck with your Jeep.
I had the same problem. Once they changed the rotor under recall, they said my front brake pads also need to be changed. I accepted that, and was charged for it.
In less than a year, and after about 8k miles, a dealership said that the rotors are warped again and need to be replaced. They dint charge me for it. But they also recommended changing the brake pads again. And they charged me for it again, around $100. I took it up with Chrysler, told them that it was b'coz of bad rotor that my brake pads went bad in just 8k miles. They readily refunded me the 100 bucks.
And your problem is the rotor itself. So I feel they would consider it. Good Luck.
Since then, I have (thankfully!) visited this message board. No wonder people are turning them in! I had no idea that new cars could cause so much trouble. The same complaints are typed over and over. Unfortunately, my search will start over... I'm thinking about a Montero Sport. Any suggestions?
I ordered an Escape--great value in a mini-SUV. If you are considering a mini, this will be an even better vehicle in 2002 (2001 was the first model year, but I bought a 2001 since privacy glass will be standard on the 2002 and I don't want it).
Too bad, I had been dreaming about a Jeep for years but just don't want to sign up for the problems I've been reading about.
andor
leo948 Jan 12, 2001 2:10pm
hope that helps..
leo
THANKS
Anyone here have these shock on their GC??
I'm hoping to reduce alotta the lean during turns & the nose diving during hard braking. As long as they don't make the ride too harsh...from what I've read I think these guys should do the trick.
Any feedback would be appreciated. :-)
It better NOT be true - I switched from Getty to Mobil last Sept while on vacation & noticed that I got slightly better fuel economy & a smoother-running engine, etc. so I stuck with it in my JGC & also put it in my Nissan Altima. Just my luck! LoL!!
Twice before this has happened and they had to resurface and de-warp the rotors. It appears this happens about every 7,000 miles.
Is this a known pervasive problem or do I just have bad luck? Is there a service bulletin on it?
Any input would be appreciated. Thanx in advance.
You're joking, right? Try reading all the messages here and you'll have your answer. Here, I'll start you off neveragain5 "Jeep Grand Cherokee problems" Jun 6, 2001 2:01am
1999-2000 JGC
42RE built before Sept1,1999 or
46RE built before Dec1,1999
Replacement of the transmission valve body upper upper housing separator plate
and valve body check valve
Eddie
The dealer said that the shock had failed and said that they replaced both shocks.
Now 7000 miles later the left rear shock has failed.
I can't see a shock failing after 7000 miles of mostly highway driving and suspect that the
dealer only changed the right rear shock (or they get their shocks from the same people
they get their brake components)
I have seen lots of problems posted here but none on shocks.
Any others have shock problems.
At 15000 they also said that they replaced the rotors.
After 3000 miles they were warped again.
Any new info of what might be the the best non-Jeep rotors and pads at a reasonable price.
Ozzy_zak's one post at Edmunds TH is to inform you that Mobil gas will melt your gas tank.
Let the troll's feed elsewhere...
I'm normally over in the Wrangler area, but a friend of mine has a 96 Grand Cherokee and wants a full waterproof cover. What's the best place to get one? (other than ordering from a dealer for $225)? Thanks for any info...
yellowman
Even with this increased firmness & improved handling, the ride doesn't suffer, in fact it's smoother than before. The JGC rides pretty smoothly anyway, but now it's much better! Speed bumps I don't even feel, the dipping & hobby-horsing I used to do over RR crossings is gone! The body stays level while the suspension dances all over the place!
Granted, some 'hits' seem harder, or at least louder, but as my wife pointed out, you don't feel them. I grin everytime I hit a big pothole or go over broken pavement & the Jeep just glides over it! :-)
These shocks really are the best of both worlds, soft on rough pavement & firm on curves. I heartily recommend them to anyone who owns a JGC; install them & you won't regret it! It's definitely the best money I've put into my Jeep. :-)
You can get them a few dollars cheaper from Performance Products.
Let me know what you decide to do.
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