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  • StillwaterStillwater Member Posts: 44
    wstang:
    I'd wash my car after rain... both because of dissolved solids being deposited on the car, and from possible raid acidity. I wouldn't just dry it off--the rain probably didn't wash off most of the dirt on your car, so you'll probably scratch no matter what you use.
    That said, I've come to like the Absorber for drying my car.

    pblevine:
    1) Apply Z1 when the Z1 hazes. The hazing is quite subtle, so you'll need to have have good light in order to see it.
    2) time to wipe off the Z2 varies depending upon the temperature and humidity. BE FOREWARNED that the time is a LOT longer when you apply it over the Z1. Several times longer. I did it a few days ago, when it was cool and wet out, and waiting overnight wasn't long enough (night temps in the 30s, some fog). Subsequently, w/o the Z1, the time needed before you remove the Z2 is much less. Test a small area--if it doesn't smear (i.e., looks like you spread olive oil over your finish), it's fine. Remove smears with a damp towel.
    3) 24 hours between coats.
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    Are there any benefits or caveats in applying Z-1 again between 2nf and 3rd coats of Z-2?

    I am afraid I did not put enough Z-1 or missed some areas the first time.
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    Apparently, the combination of Z-2 and the eclipse paint is incompatible. The engine heat causes a transmutation of the Zaino product resulting in Iron Pyrite formation. Stop using Zaino immediately.....
  • anne4anne4 Member Posts: 35
    Try emailing Sal Zaino on your question about yellowing on your Elipse. Email address is on their website at www.zainobros.com. Sal will be more than willing to work with you to solve the problem.
  • guitarzanguitarzan Member Posts: 873
    My sister has a black Eclipse. That is absolutely the worst paint you can work with. I await news on how to make that stuff look great...
  • DarknessDarkness Member Posts: 24
    I didn't have any problems with the first two coats, it was only the third that gave me trouble, I am thinking that I might not have wiped off the Z-6 properly, maybe it was poorly lit when I did it or what have you, or maybe I didn't wait the full 24 hours in between coats, but it's not on the rest of the car, and it still looks fabulous. I think I am just simply going to strip the hood of all wax and try it again.
    Marbuck, I SINCERELY doubt that, especially since my car isn't being driven at this time, and if it is driven, it literally ONLY around the block, it doesn't have insurance right now so it's just.. literally.. sitting pretty.
    Anyhow, I sincerely believe it's the Z-6, because when I was wiping the z-6 off the car after the third coat, it left the same color mark as I was wiping it (before I had wiped the final time) and I even let some dry and it had the same reaction. So it was probably a misuse of Z-6... my bad. Thanks all for your responses, I will let you know when I strip and reapply.
    -The darkness
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    Remember the date of my post.... ;o)
  • alanthieryalanthiery Member Posts: 1
    Markbuck:

    Actually the Iron Pyrite formation is only the beginning of the problem. Within a few hours there is a abberation of the inner-molecular bonding which transmutes the sub-atomic nuclear particles into bondo plasticised magnetized warp statification.

    Hope this helps.
  • dsomersdsomers Member Posts: 20
    Will that cause the car to go back in time?
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Stillwater,
    Thanks, and I'll try moving the Coupe inside after dark to let the Z2 dry. Everyone say 24 hours between Z2 coats. Ok, I'll observe that but why? And/or why not 12 hours. What's happening during this period?

    Markbuck,
    Iron Pyrite? No, its the yellow snow deposit by way of the local mutt! :)
  • petitpetit Member Posts: 4
    Yawn... I don't recall this being call the Zaino Zealot's thread.

    Does anyone out their have any useful information, such as:

    Does a static strap help keep your car clean?

    Does a 'sheeting' coating work better than a wax coating to prevent beading of water and subsequent leapord spotting?

    Do any of the 'scratch removers' actually work?

    Do one-step wash/waxes work (the theory being to wash the car once a week rather than wax it twice a year)?

    Are waxes required at all as a protectant now that clearcoats are designed to absorb UV?

    Are waxes better than polymer protectants?

    What exactly do new car vendors recommend?

    We need some experts/teachers to comment.
  • jvcnjvcn Member Posts: 50
    On polymer vs. wax, you can read about my experiment in topic #89.
  • shomanshoman Member Posts: 97
    If you really want some thoughts on these, here goes:
    Static straps. they performed a real function when people put clear plastic seat covers and interior fabrics were high static nylon. Todays fabrics and lack of (thankfully) clear plastic covers makes them unnecessary.

    "Sheeting" products generally don't work. You can sheet water off a highly waxed car with any product if you just use a thick stream of water instead of a spray to rinse. Some sheeting products simply leave your paint unprotected in order to give that effect. Most of the TV advertised products like you mention, are scams at best and horrible for your car at worst.

    Scratch removers, do they work? No

    One step wash/wax products, do they work? No

    protection required on clearcoat? Yes, clearcost is simply paint with no pigment. It still weathers and can fail like any paint. You must keep it smooth and protected for it to shine and last.

    Waxes/vs/polymers My personal opinion is that there isn't any real advantage, each has it's own advocates. Let common sense and your own trials be your guide. I think there are excellent products in each category.

    New car vendors (manufacturers/dealers) usually recommend what the manufacturer sells or whatever product the dealer got a deal on that month. These people generally are not the best source for this information.

    Don
  • bufferbuffer Member Posts: 2
    www.toughguard.com will provide much useful info for all car waxers! Some good stuff
  • bufferbuffer Member Posts: 2
    for the best available check out www.toughguard.com for patented paint protection
  • dsomersdsomers Member Posts: 20
    Sheesh! Not only SPAM but a scam to boot. At least your phony explanation of how the product works is more inventive that others I've seen recently!
  • bernard1bernard1 Member Posts: 58
    Went to a Corvette show this weekend with some friends and at the show there were lots of car products for sale. The one that the vette owners swear by is Dura Gloss. Has anyone used this product? If so, how does it compare with Zaino products, Maguires & others?
  • wc3georgewc3george Member Posts: 23
    I've posted some information about Duragloss in topic 89.

    I've used Zaino for a couple of months; Duragloss for a couple of years. IMHO, Duragloss is cheaper, more widely available, shines as well as Zaino, and is less time-consuming than Zaino. As for durability, I completed a half and half test on my new Odyssey two weeks ago. As I said, the shine is equal; I'll keep you posted on durability.

    BTW, the web site for Duragloss is

    http://www.spyder.net/duragloss/

    Best of success to you.
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    I have been noticing ads for Prolong paint sealant that sounds very similar to Zaino. The other day I actually saw a long infomercial for this stuff. As usual - acid tests and sandblaster tests. Hehe - maybe they should do the same in their Prolong engine treatment infomercials - pour acid into cylinders and stuff them with sand and see how far the car will go without any oil? :)

    I also saw that Rain-X jumped in and developed their own car polish.

    Has anyone tried these yet?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    also - go to Meguiar's web site and get a free trial sample of their Endurance tire treatment. Hell knows if it is any good but it is FREE!!!

    http://www.meguiars.com/endurance/endurance.cfm
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    I FINALLY Z'D MY CAR! But first, Ruski, great pictures. You did a wonderful job. I also attempted to take some pictures but found its hard to really get a true picture of the shine and deepth.

    Zaino really works and I highly recommend it. I did my car ('98 Accord Coupe EX V6 Emerald Green) up in Otis, MA where it gets cold. I started about 9:00am and was finished about 3:00pm. It doesn't take that long normally but the colder air
    prolonged the drying process. It took about 2.5 hours for the Z2 to dry under these conditions.

    I washed with Dawn and then "clayed" the car with Erazer. They sent me a sample of their new Yellow Clay along with the normal grey stuff. The grey clay works well, but its a little too sticky on plastic bumper surfaces. The Yellow Clay was much better on these surfaces. Its not as tackly but much harder to reshape. The grey stuff was much better on my wheels. And wow, the amount of gunk that the clay picked up from my wheels (after being washed with Dawn) was amazing!

    I then washed with Dawn again, dried the car, and applied a layer of Z1. By the way, I used a little Z6 to dampen the applicator. 'Not sure if that was correct. After letting the Z1 dry (and yes, it is rather hard to tell when it's dry), I then applied the first coat of Z2. Given this was a first coat over Z1 plus the cold (mid 40's plus wind chill), it seemed to take forever to dry. I went and took a shower, came back, and it still needed more time. Maybe I should have waited for a warmer day. Anyway, I finally used my brand new pure cotton towels to wipe the hazed Z2 off. W W W 0 0 0 0 W W W!

    It is beautiful and worth the effort! The shine is absolutely clear, deep, and smoooooth! And smells good too. (My wife: please keep that stuff out of the trunk!). I waited 24 hours, but it was just to cold to put a second coat of Z2 on the car. I really wanted a second coat, but that will just have to wait for another weekend. Even so, this is far better than any wax I've ever used. With just one coat, the effect is about the same as Ruski's pictures. My car has that green over black undercoat paint concept. With wax, its hard to see the green highlights and the finish looks blue in dark shade. After using Zaino, the green highlight really stands out. Thanks Sol. :):)
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    also - go to Meguiar's web site and get a free trial sample of their Endurance tire treatment. Hell knows if it is any good but it is FREE!!!

    http://www.meguiars.com/endurance/endurance.cfm
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    I did most of my Z-ing in the garage. It is no heated but it is adjacent with my basement/rec room. So I just opened the door from the rec room to the garage and cranked up the heat in the rec room. Disadvantage - not enough light in the garage, as a result I missed a few spots when wiping Z2 or Z5 off.

    Also learned a lesson with Z-6. After initial over-usage of Z-6 I only had 1 ounce of it left. However it lasted much longer this time. Instead of sqeezing the trigger all the way, I squeezed it very lightly and it still sprayed enough stuff for an area.
  • DropTop90DropTop90 Member Posts: 22
    I finally got to hand wash & wax my Spyder GS-T recently and wanted to share my experience with using Collinite 476. It costs about $10. This is the wax my Dad uses. His black Jimmy looked so great I asked him to get me a can. It claims to be permanent, detergent-proof wax. Who knows. Anyway, I washed the car using Mother's Car Wash and dried it with a chamois. Then I applied the Collinite 476. It went on easily and was near dry by the time I got all the way around the car. Now the hard part - it took a lot of rubbing and buffing to get this stuff off. Directions say to do a section at a time and hopefully not following those directions was my problem. Next time I'll do like the label says. The shine is rich and deep but I can still see some swirl marks. I plan to put on a 2nd coat soon and will update this post.
  • dmattgamdmattgam Member Posts: 15
    I am about to get Clay magic to clay my car this week-end - after washing my car with dawn liquid. From what I've read so far, the clay bar picks up all the contaminants from the paint. Those contaminants must get into the clay somehow.

    Am I suppsosed to remove all that stuff from the clay bar BEFORE using on the next area of my car ? If so, how does one do that or you simply reshape the clay and resuse it ? Thanks.
  • joecarojoecaro Member Posts: 44
    The instructions that came with my clay magic say to fold over the clay every time it gets discolored so the contaminants are folded into the clay.
  • DarknessDarkness Member Posts: 24
    For all those that are interested in knowing more about Z-6....
    If you all recall the post I wrote about the "streaking" in the hood of my car (And various puns were mentioned, being april fools and all), the problem is solved. Last night around midnight, I stripped the wax, clayed, washed, and recoated the car... around 10am today I cleaned off the excess wax and there was no streaks... I then applied the Z-6.. that was where the problem was. I wasn't getting it off quick enough, anyone that owns a black car knows how hot the hood can get on a warm sunny day.. well, what was happening was the Z-6 was drying before I could get to it... literally within micro seconds...
    There are a couple of ways to solve this problem, as I did speak to Sal, Thanks again, you were more then supportive, and I'll take you out for a beer when your up for it. Anyhow, to solve the problem either dilute the Z-6 and grow lightning fast hands, or do it at night. Also you can do it during a warm sunny day but a VERY VERY VERY small amount of Z-6 and A LOT more rubbing it down... BE SURE that it's all off, and stare at your car for awhile, making sure that there is NOTHING left, otherwise you can trap it under coats. I simply used smaller amounts and a smaller area and it seems to be working like a charm.. thanks to all who commented... and screw all molecular bonding comments. :P
    -The Darkness
  • StillwaterStillwater Member Posts: 44
    The 24 hours is a drying period to allow the solvents to evaporate and bonding to complete.
  • sd99sd99 Member Posts: 65
    Can you apply Zaino over a car that has been waxed previously, or do you need to strip all the wax off first?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    better strip it off. Dawn will strip off most wax. Claying after Dawn will strip anything that Dawn could not remove. And if you do another wash with Dawn after claying (or a wash with Z-7) you will have a wax free surface.

    If you Zaino over wax, you will trap dirty wax under the coat of Zaino. And even if the wax is not dirty, still it is not as shiny or transparent as Zaino. And that layer of wax underneath will spoil the visual effects that Zaino creates.

    Do it right, you will not regret an extra hour you spend on Dawning and claying.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    ruski is correct, strip all wax before Z'ing. I actually Dawned 3 times because I noticed some old wax residue inside my doors. I went back and hand washed (and clayed) inside the door sills, inside the gas intake cover area, inside the trunk hood, and around the engine compartment. These are all areas which contain paint and clearcoat AND are a continuous surface extension of the rest of the finish.

    Question: Before I apply another coat of Z2, I'll wash with the Z7 mild car wash. Should I then use Z6 before applying the Z2? Or am I covered with the Z7 wash?

    By the way, thanks for all the good comments and advice form all. :)
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    a friend of mine was surprised by his Z-7. he said it was not all that mild. stripped all his wax.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Yeah, but Z7 is only to be used as a wash on a previously Zaino'ed surface. Again, after washing with Z7, should I use Z6 prior to applying another coat of Z2?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    I was Zainoing my GTP until 3am last night (hehehe got a new bottle of Z-6 and got trigger happy). The GTP came out really shiny.

    I then took the Z-6 to my 300M that was Zaino-ed a few days ago with a few coats of Z-5 and Z-2, but no Z-6 which had run out. What a shine!

    Am I Zaino-ed in the head or what?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    Speaking of the Z-6 bottle. I know that some people don't like the way it sprays. I found out that if you open the nozzle just a bit, it mists pretty well. However it also drips like that too.

    I was playing with Meguiar's spray detailer and liked the spraying action of their bottle. I might re-use that bottle and fill it up with Z-6.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    ruski,
    Those pictures of your 300M are terrrific! You've done well. Z6 is great stuff. My Erazer Clay came with two spray bottles which have a good misting ability, and I think I'll use one of them for my Z6.

    Again, after washing with Z7, should I use Z6 prior to applying another coat of Z2?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    Thanks pblevine.

    Those pictures of 300M are after a few coats of Z-5 and Z-2, however Z-6 ran out back then and the last coat of Z-2 did not get a Z-6 treatment. I took the pictures anyway.

    I think using Z-6 before washing your car with Z-7 is an overkill, but I don't think it will hurt.
  • blumsdenblumsden Member Posts: 15
    Do you guys know anything about the Simoniz products? They are common in Canada, can buy them at Canadian Tire. Simoniz makes a number of products, including Simoniz Pure, which is a liquid carnauba wax. They also make a "Tire Wet", a protectant like Armor All, and a Gel Car Wash liquid.

    Does anyone have any comments or know if this stuff is any good? It's slightly less expensive than Meguiar's and Mothers.

    One particular question I had was regarding Simoniz's wash, which has teflon in it... is this good or bad?
  • shomanshoman Member Posts: 97
    Simonize is a name that has been around a long time, but I don't have experience with their latest products.

    I would recommend you have nothing to do with a product with teflon in it. Teflon as an oil additive has been proven to do more damage than good because it tends to plug up oil filters! If it won't fit through an oil filter, I don't think I want it IN my wash or polish!
    To get your car clean I recommend Ivory dishwashing liquid. A tiny squirt in a large bucket of water will get your car clean with lots of healthy suds (suds help keep dirt away from your paint) and it won't remove all of your current wax, any more than any other washing process. The goal of washing is to CLEAN not to wax or keep eggs from sticking when cooked! :)

    Don
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Yep, the Simonize brand was known as a good wax years ago. 'Don't know how it would stack up against more modern products. As for teflon, I cannot believe it actually contains such a tough multi-module plastic. That would not be good over the existing clear-coat. Its just hype!
  • StillwaterStillwater Member Posts: 44
    uh, Shoman, I don't quite get that argument ("If
    it won't fit through an oil filter, I don't think I want it IN my wash or polish!"). Aren't you the Collonite fan??? I don't think carnauba fits through an oil filter. :)
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Teflon may actually fit throught an oil filter, but its still no good as a finish. Being so tough compared to the clear coat, it will leave a damaged clear coat as it wears off. And ALL waxes, polymers, etc. DO wear off. Besides, to be truly effective, it would have to be heat binded to the existing finish.
  • joe68joe68 Member Posts: 2
    Before I use the Zaino products that I have ordered does any user know if it is safe to get it on the plastic trim on my car. Other products that I have used left a white chalky residue that I could not remove.

    Thanks, Joe
  • shinershiner Member Posts: 19
    That's one of the advantages of Zaino. No problems with residue on plastic trim. You just wipe it right off.
  • tonewheeltonewheel Member Posts: 47
    I have a brand new, silver metallic I30. Would a good wash with Dawn be sufficient before Zaino-ing? I can't believe I would need to clay a new car. Also, any opinions about Zaino on my light colored silver paint versus darker colors?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #552
    Actually, either way would work. But... try a spot with clay and you might decide it is worth the extra work.

    I have Zaino on white and a thing called moonglow pearl The white is a more shiny white and the moonglow (toyota ease for metallic blue) is very very deep.
  • guitarzanguitarzan Member Posts: 873
    Tonewheel, claying removes rail dust which many new cars have embedded in their paint. Do it.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Tonewheel,
    Guitarzan is right, rail dust will be present. It may be almost microscopic but its there. Take a damp paper towel and run it over your "clean" hood and maybe you'll be able to see some. In any case, claying will pick up even what a towel cannot, and the surface of your car will be much smoother. I had the same concerns with my new car, and I'm glad I invested the time to clay it.

    As for your concern about the "light silver" color of your car, Zaino will really make it stand out. The effect is the same for darker colors too. And that effect is a truly "clear" shine which brings out the true color of the car's paint.
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    tonewheel - do the clay. it is very easy to do and is not too time consuming. You will be amazed at how smooth your new car will get. When the car is transported to the dealer on a railway car or by truck, it gets a good share of contaminants. Unless this is an exotic car that comes in a sealed container.
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