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  • jeffsjeffs Member Posts: 23
    ...is a publication issued by the Mercedes Benz Club of America (MBCA). It never occured to me that it could be confused with a supermarket tabloid in the context of cars :-).

    Further searches on Surluster have turned up that it is a cleaner/wax/soap product line that is very popular in Japan and they are trying to get a foothold in the US. www.surluster.com is the URL.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    jeffs-

    LOL........ HOW could they have a magazine with THAT name? I understand it, but........ Never having owned a Mercedes, I never heard of it. Sounds like it's better then what Chrysler sends me! ;-))) Glad we cleared that up!

    I couldn't believe that you were saying how interesting and informative it was!!! LOL....

    I would GUESS, since it's advertised there, that it's expensive? I just checked out their website. It is more expensive then Zaino. Not sure if that makes it better. I see that it has carnauba wax. There has been a lot of talk here and in the archived area about carnauba wax yellowing and being difficult to apply and take off. I'm no detail expert, but I do know what my car looks like with Zaino and how easy it is to apply and maintain.

    Don't know what else to say. The Star..........:-)

    fastdriver
  • jeffsjeffs Member Posts: 23
    I posted a request for Surluster users on some other boards. For objectivity sake I'll be trying the Zaino products (and Surluster if I get any good feedback) and comparing them to my 25 years with Meguiars. If there is one thing that never changes, it is the fact that things never remain the same.

    PS: Gotta get Zaino into the future. Needs to setup their bank account to accept charge cards. Its just to damn easy nowadays.
  • jmelchiojmelchio Member Posts: 23
    That "STAR" confusion is too funny. Thanks for the entertainment.
  • jeffsjeffs Member Posts: 23
    Oh, just a bit FYI. The MBCA was founded in 1956 and The Star has been around 29 years. I would bet that it predates the supermarket tabloid (thank goodness).
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    It isn't so much as this is a Zaino fan club, but it has more to do with the fact that this topic, a while back started as "the best of the best."
    That is why some folks seem rather opinionated.
    Because of the change in the topic, there might be a bit of a residual here.

    I have used Meguairs,Classic Car Wax, Collinite, Nu Finish, yada yada, and of late(one yr and one/half) Zaino. For my buck I like the bang.
    I like using less effort and less product to achieve greater results. I also have other things I like to do.
    If you have a question about optical clarity, put some Zaino'sz-1,z-2 on your windshield alongside your carnuba wax. Truly, you can see for yourself.
  • jeffsjeffs Member Posts: 23
    Oh, I look forward to using a product that looks better or is easier to use, but opinions are like a#$holes. Everyone has one. I always reserve any kind of judgement until I get hands-on experience. I've just seen alot of products come and go and most have gone. Haven't seen these kind of raves in quite sometime over a product so there will be a degree of truth in everyones claims. I Look forward to trying out the Zainos.

    However, are you recommending the use of Dawn to strip off the old wax before using the Zaino? The hair on the back of my neck goes up when I hear about the use of dish soap on a car. That defies rules that I've lived by forever.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #968
    Well, the use of Dawn to remove as much wax as possible is the best, but the Z-1 is supposed to chemically neutralize and make ready for the Z-2.

    Some, for MAX effect will clay the surface after a car wash with Dawn and then, finish with another Dawn wash. While the results are indeed dazzling, it does involve more steps and more work. For me, it just depends how far into minute detail you wish to go.
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    I have been using Zaino products for many months now. It's great stuff, but i am having problems. My car is white, and it is impossible to tell how much i am putting on the car. I all ways seem to put to much on, and then i get streaks. How do you
    guys apply Zaino? I would appreciate any tips you have on application. Also has any body else had problems with the bottles cracking?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    orange606-

    I hear you! I can barely SEE it on my Candy Apple Red 300! I can't imagine white! I guess you just have to keep looking on an angle. I know that's not easy.

    As for the bottles cracking- never had that happen. Were they left in a cold place in the winter? That's one thing that is not mentioned here much. Sal said that his product should not be subjected to freezing conditions. In the winter, I keep my Zaino in the basement.

    Wish I could be of more help in applying Zaino to a white car. Did you e-mail Sal? He might have some suggestions.

    fastdriver
  • mstan1mstan1 Member Posts: 9
    I use Meguiar's steps 2 & 3 polish and then wax after a car wash. I like the shine but it seems I'm still getting these little water marks when I look closer. What am I doing wrong? By the way, the car I'm working on is a brand new red Pontiac GrandAm. I would appreciate any help. I would like to keep this car looking shiny for as many years as I can.
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    No they cracked when i droped the bottles, its my own fault. The botles are not to strong though.
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    Where can i get 3M products. I cant find them at auto zone, pep boys, or checker. They make an oxidation remover that i am thinking of trying. Any one try that stuff?
  • adavis1adavis1 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks to everyone especially anne4. I will be purchasing some zaino and let you all know how it works.
    PS I was looking in the archives and some time in March a gentleman had a problem with brown droppings on his car. Did he ever find out what it was?????
    PPS I am going to call the dealer and ask him if he will pay for the Zaino (HA HA HA) Hey, you never know?
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    I am looking for a good tire treatment. The best one i have found was post #742. "I clean my tires with Westley's Bleche-White from the Auto Zone. I then use one of the white liquids like Zaino for tires, Black Again, etc. This makes the tires really black. I then use Tire Treat." This seem like a great plan, but i have not been able to find tire treat. Any body know how to get it? I e-mailed him, but there was no responce.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    orange606-

    Did you drop the bottle when you were overcome with the WONDERFUL smell of the different ZAINO products?? LOL.....

    Try this site for the 3M stuff- http://www.mmm.com/market/automotive/ I did a Sherlock search and came up with this site for you.

    fastdriver
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    Thanks drscopem, i called and orderd a catloge.

    fastdriver,
    The link does not seem to work. Whats a sherlock serch? Thats new to me.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    orange606-

    Mmm..... I just clicked on it and it worked. Try copying it or typing it in yourself. It should work.

    A Sherlock search is just a MAC thing! ;-))) I just type in a subject that I'm looking for and it searches all kinds of search engines or whatever Sherlock plug-ins I have at once and comes up with a listing. Just took me seconds to find the 3M site.

    fastdriver
  • wstangwstang Member Posts: 35
    What are your opinions? Sounds good... wonder how if compares with Zaino...

    Read it at http://www.mmm.com/market/automotive/newsletter/winter98pg1.html
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    Ok the link worked. I have already seen the 3M site. None of those stores are in my state. I found a place that i can mail order it from, but there prices are to high for mail order. I may just have to get it from them. What I want to get is 3M One Step Cleaner Wax. I dont like the wax part, but if it removes oxidation, and scraches then i will give it a try. I am realy interested in its oxidation removing properties. I have some heavy oxidation on my car. If any body has a better solution feel free to post it. I do have clear coated paint so rubbing compounds are not useable.
  • drscopemdrscopem Member Posts: 83
    Hi:
    There are lots of places to get them. Most NAPA stores will carry a good supply and can special order what they don't carry. You can also try an automotive paint store (check the yellow pages or call a body shop and ask where they get theirs).
    If you prefer, you can call Larry Reynolds at www.carcareonline.com. He can give you advice and also carries products not listed on the website. He has Imperial Hand Glaze, Swirl Mark Remover, Imperial Machine Glaze, Microfinishing Glaze, Finesse-It II Finishing Material, etc. If you aren't sure what to get just tell him what your problem is and he'll make a recommendation.
    Good luck.
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    drscopem,
    That bleach wite tire cleaner is not siting to well with me. After reading the warnings and instructions i have a few questions. I says do not get any on the wheels. How do i do that, should i wipe it on instead of spraying it on? How harsh is this stuff? Will it take the paint off my car? If i cant lay this stuff on to thick so that it doesn't run, and i cant hose it how does it do a good job of cleaning the tire. Also if it cant be hosed off doesn't that mean residue will be left behind that could come off in the rain, or
    hinder the following tire treatment from being applied?
  • frygielfrygiel Member Posts: 1
    I read through previous posts and it seem that the consensus is to use Erazer Clay, and Zaino. I just brought a brand new Isuzu Rodeo. It's silver and I don't want it to fall victum to the Florida sun. Ever see a 10 year old silver car in Florida??? Exactly. I was considering the Erazer paint sealent over Zaino. Someone said that acrylic paint sealents turn yellow so I e-mailed Erazer and they insist that it will never turn yellow. It seems to me that an acrylic paint sealent is better than Zaino which is a wax. Am I wrong?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    frygiel-

    Yes, I believe you are wrong. ZAINO is NOT a wax, but a polymer. To be sure, e-mail Sal Zaino. He'll help you.

    fastdriver
  • dxplitesdxplites Member Posts: 1
    I just purchased a F250 SD PU. I have well water and after I washed it I now have hard water stains to try and remove. Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject? After I get it clean I will need to protect the paint. Whats the next step.
  • shomanshoman Member Posts: 97
    Been away for a while and saw the notes on shoe polish for that black plastic that gets grey. There is a product that I considered selling called Forever Black that is exactly that. It is like painting your car and you can see overlaping lines, and it is hard to get on smooth. A long time detailer turned me on to Wurth Rubber Care. It works, is clear, and not expensive. Reply privately if interested, I sell it.
    About Meguiar's new tire care product (endurance?) I bought a bottle (about $9 at a local discount store) and was very impressed. We tried it on two cars, and both look great after over two weeks. Not a lot of rain, but one car has been in the rain and no change. We did one coat and the tires have a slightly shiny look that is pretty good. I have no reason to doubt that more coats would give more shine if you like that look, I don't. I love that it is NOT sticky to the touch. In fact I can't get any dirt/stains on my hands from rubbing the tires, compared to No Touch which would turn my hands very dark if I dared touch the tire. So far, Meguiars has come through with this product. I don't understand how some of you are so down on the product, maybe you didn't use it right, or shake the bottle.
    Swirls in paint. I tried the Z5 for swirls and it had zero effect. Multiple coats also did not help. The best and still only way to effectively treat these types of problems is to use a very good (and very fine) polish (the type with quality and fine abrasives). If it's good enough for the mirror in Hubble, it should be good enough for our cars paint. Some claim that ANY abrasive will ruin or wear out your paint, They just don't understand how to properly prepare a car.

    Don M.
  • jmelchiojmelchio Member Posts: 23
    I too have a silver car in florida. It's only a few months old, so I can't comment on the long term effects of Zaino, but I highly recommend the products.

    I agree that you should email Sal Zaino with specific questions. I know that his polishes all contain UV protectant, but he can give you alot more information.
  • drscopemdrscopem Member Posts: 83
    Hi:
    #984 - tire cleaner
    I have been using this for years around coated and uncoated wheels without any stains or other problems. I spray the middle of the tire angling outward. I let it sit for a few minutes as directed. I then lightly brush the tire as directed. I then flush the tire with lots of water. I then flush the wheels.
    I clean one tire at a time. I clean the wheels while the Bleche White is working. If you don't want to clean the wheels and are concerned then you can use an old pro trick. Cut a piece of cardboard into a circle the size of your wheels so that the wheels are covered but the tires aren't. Cut two circles or ellipses in the middle that are large enough for your hand to fit through and grab the piece between the circles as a handle. Once cut, cover the disc with duct tape. You can then hold this to protect the wheels when applying anything to the tires. Any overspray gets on the disc rather than the wheels.
    If you still aren't sure then by all means avoid using it.
    Good luck.
  • jeffmaiojeffmaio Member Posts: 6
    Looks like I did what I said I wouldn't do: too thick of a application of Z1/Z2. With the Humidity back it hasn't dryed in 12 hours. I have fans running in the garage to help. With the humidity over 90% do you think I should pull it out into the sun? I can wait another 8 hours but then I might have to dampen a towel to remove the wax as suggested in a earlir post.
    One other thing, I know it has been discussed briefly in the past but I have a new car & wanted to clean my windows with the right solution from the start. Z-6 seems a bit greasy to use on a window? What do you use on the insides of windows? Anything wrong with Windex,glassplus?
    Appreciate your opinions?
    Jeff
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Yes, put your car in the sun and just let it bake for a few hours. If it is still not dry, just wipe of the Z2 which has hazed and call it a day. It will dry from the outside inwards which means that for all practical purposes, you are protected. It also happened to me and after a few days of really cold wet conditions, I was able to again wipe it down with Z6. The results were good and later when I was able to apply my second coat of Z2, the results were just great. Oh yes, on my second Z2 application, I picked a nice hot dry day and still let it dry overnight.

    As for your windows, Z6 actually (and I too had doubts) works like magic. You will have to apply some good old pressure, but the Z6 cuts throught everything. The interior of the windows is another matter. The insides build up a coating of plastic residue from the curing of your new cars plastic parts. The best thing I've found is Zaino Glass Polish (Z?). Just wipe it on, let it haze, and wipe off. I'm sure there are other products on the market, but I've found the Zaino stuff works like a charm. It has some mild abrasives, however, and a little elbow grease (ie: effort) may be necessary were the plastic gases residue has had a chance to harden. And when you're done, try a little Z6 to finish the job. Best of luck, I've been there!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #991
    Yes, the Z-6 works well on the windows. I have been using it like rain x. The optical clarity is real good. It is actually easier to apply than rain x.

    Another trick is to swipe your wiper blades with it(Z-6) after you have swiped the gunk out with a scotch brite pad. Thus treated ,it keeps the windshield streak free.
  • jmelchiojmelchio Member Posts: 23
    Jeff,

    I talked to Sal Zaino about cleaning tinted windows (aftermarket tint). He said not to use the Zaino glass cleaner on tinted windows since it has a mild abrasive and would probably scratch the film.

    I found that using Plexus on the tinted windows works pretty well.
  • jeffmaiojeffmaio Member Posts: 6
    The Van & Zaino are baking in the sun to dry - after the sun goes down I'll test & try some Z6 on the windows.
    Thanks - Jeff
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #995
    Sorry to hear about the humidity/drying problem. Here in NoCA, it dries in 5-15 min. (In no sun) It must be a bummer to wait that long.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    I must pick the right days to Zaino my car because I have NEVER had to let it sit for hours never mind overnight!

    It's pretty hot and humid here in CT right now so I wouldn't think of using Z-2. Z-6 is okay though. Just did it last night about 7. No problem. Car looks great.

    fastdriver
  • jeffmaiojeffmaio Member Posts: 6
    That's my problem - I'm in CT with this humidity.
    I thought I could beat the heat but the humidity level seemed to really rise during the night.
    Placing the van in the sun seemed to help a bit but it's 24hrs & I'm still waiting - I better go turn on those fans in the garage maybe that will help.
    Jeff
  • georgedegeorgede Member Posts: 40
    fastdriver
    Thanks for your help on Zaino, and you have a
    great site. Hope your problems are solved by now.
    Anyway, I will order Zaino this next week, but I
    suspect will take at least 2 weeks before I get it. Meanwhile my new red Rodeo is extremely dirty. It seems each time I leave the truck in the driveway, the automatic sprinklers go
    on and the truck is always full of spots by morning. Well I'm thinking of going to a store and
    use Nu Finish until Zaino arrives. Also, I was in the wax store site, and they mentioned that Poliners or sealants could damage the paint over time. I hope that Zaino is safe. Anyway I'll definetely order Zaino tomorrow. Thanks again...
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    I beleive Nu Finish has abrasives in it. You may want to use somthing like Meguiars gold class untill the ziano products arive.
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