Edmunds dealer partner, Bayway Leasing, is now offering transparent lease deals via these forums. Click here to see the latest vehicles!
Popular New Cars
Popular Used Sedans
Popular Used SUVs
Popular Used Pickup Trucks
Popular Used Hatchbacks
Popular Used Minivans
Popular Used Coupes
Popular Used Wagons
Comments
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
No contact by my Kia salesperson; poor guy doesn't have a clue about sales I don't think. Or they've already written me off.
Just to get an idea of what trade would be on my 5-series, I went to CarMax over my lunch hour. Their appraisal was exactly what Q had estimated on the RWTIV forum - several thousand less than KBB.
Now, I understand what KBB and other online sources are, and more importantly, what they're not. But using that as a starting point, I was sorely disappointed by the actual value from CarMax.
Now for those who know, are the offers from CarMax generally in line with legitimate trade offers from a dealership?
If nothing else, it gives me an idea of where I would want to be on a private party sale, which was more or less the point of my visit.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
Like every other WRX test drive I've been on thus far, I find myself focused at first on the somewhat harsh ride, noise (and maybe rattles) in the cabin, and the less than stellar interior. Then, invariably, with every test drive, I find the car endearing by the end.
Which is to say I still have that on the list along with the Mazda3 - maybe the Civic Si as a longshot.
Though you'd really have to want a hatchback to buy a used one - CarMax priced this particular WRX about $1,500 more than a new one, comparably equipped. Sheesh!
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
For comparison:
Ford, Toyota, and Honda are 12/12 and 7/100k
Chrysler is only 3mo/3k B2B but 7/100k powertrain
Hell, even Jaguar is 6yr/100k.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
Thanks!
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
We've got a lot of work we need to do to the house starting with (hopefully) this summer's kitchen renovation. Followed by having our hardwood floors restrained, then the house repainted, then have our driveway ripped up & re-done, followed by a new deck...
BTW, there is definitely going to be another mortgage/lending meltdown. Money is getting thrown around by these banks & brokers like it is pre-2008. They are offering ARMs & HELOCs as well as other unconventional financing options...
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I was not that impressed with the mortgage broker I applied with. Was friendly enough and the fees were in line with the other two lenders, but I was very turned off by the slick sales presentation with questionable, over-generalized financial advice (e.g., mortgages are a great deal because the interest is usually 100% tax deductible; never try to pay off your mortgage early). If we're being fair, mortgage interest only helps your taxes to the extent your itemized deduction exceeds the standard deduction. And it may be a great deal to pay the mortgage off early, especially if you're in a lower tax bracket or the interest doesn't cause you to exceed the standard deduction by much (or at all). They glossed over these intricacies. Maybe I should've been a CPA...
All this house talk makes me feel like I am missing out - pretty much all detached housing within at an hour of where I work (during times people actually work and drive) is simply unaffordable for single income people making under 150K. Oh well, I'll survive.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Wound up living across the street from the great guy.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Thanks for the suggestion.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
On a 30 yr fixed rate mortgage paying 1 extra payment a year will knock off almost 6 years. In addition to the extra payment if you set up with mortgage company/ your bank to take additional money out monthly ( say 200 more a month ) you will knock off some more years and tens off thousands of dollars in interest paid over the lifetime of your loan.
Also if bank or broker is offering a bi weekly program at NO charge do it. Otherwise pay down your debt with extra principal payments/ extra cash every month.
https://www.churchillmortgage.com/dave/default.aspx
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
All in all, I'd rather have the monthly cash flow available for other stuff than try to pay the house off early. Done a lot better putting that house "equity" in the DOW. Houses haven't been an appreciating asset for me since 1980.
What lesson IS there, when you can be bailed out at taxpayer expense?
:@
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Is it "fairness"?
Again, I say :@
Edmunds Price Checker
Edmunds Lease Calculator
Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and let us know! Post a pic of your new purchase or lease!
MODERATOR
2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
No big surprises.
LIKES...
-Range Rover EVOQ-kind of surprised I liked it as much as I did. Not too big or too small. The one I saw was in the low $40s. If they ever improve their reliability, I'd consider one.
@laurasdada.....I don't think they make a bad looking Jag, do they?
-When did Buicks start making such nice looking vehicles. Regal I had sort of forgotten about. But, it's still a nicely done car. I'd buy an Enclave if I was in the market for an SUV. Nicely put together vehicles.
-Speaking of SUVs, I know the Jeeps have just been redone, but unless I was looking at a Wrangler (which I really like), I'd probably skip the rest of their lineup.
-Having been a former Tahoe owner, these have become very, very nice full size SUVs. $70K for an LTZ? I think I paid in the low $40s for my LTZ from 2006. Hard for me to see how they can justify even $65K sales prices. But, they had a crowd around them. Pickups? Hard to argue against buying a Silverado or the Colorado.
-Really liked the look and seating of the Lexus RX350. Thought it was supposed to be a Mommy Wagon. I'd consider one. At one point, I thought I would consider an IS 350 F Sport. Too cramped. GS 350 F Sport would be more my speed. Nicely done.
-No disrespect intended for some of the friends here who have Mercedes E 350s, They are very nice cars. but the C class is a homer for Benz. It's an S Class that's smaller with a little motor. But, it's also ⅓ an S Class price. The C is not that much smaller than the E Class, either. It's certainly nicer on the inside than the E Class. Can't wrap my mind around the MB SUVs. For that kind of money, there are much nicer vehicles that do the same thing for less money.
-Ford? Mustang, Mustang, Mustang. Great job. Would put it on my short list and can see myself buying another one sometime in the future. F150 shows its appeal. No wonder it's a vehicle that's so popular. Get a cheap one for work. Get a loaded one and you've got a do it all luxury vehicle.
-Lincoln....'ya know...they try really hard. I was just walking through and was asked if I wanted to get a $75 gift card from them. Sure! I explained that I already got one 3 months ago. No matter. They want me to give ti another shot. OK!
-I can see the appeal those of you in these threads with the Charger and Challenger. Good American muscle in comfortable packages. I really, really liked the Challenger Scat Pack. Hard to dislike anything about those two cars and performance for right around $40K. You might get a little more performance out of a Camaro or Mustang, but I'm not sure it matters if you aren't tracking those cars. Aside from that, and you're only going to be on the road, I'd take the Lime Green one I saw on the show floor. I'd dump the automatic for a manual. Sweet car.
BMW? I sat in a 5 Series that was equipped about the same as my CTS.....$70K. Really? I love me some BMWs, but I wouldn't trade my car heads up for it. 3 series is their brad and butter. Hard to make the case for one at nearly $60K, though.
-Caddy....styling's subjective, but these were some of the finest looking cars on the floor. They're also crafted as well as any car, at any price that I looked at. Not, all that said, $85K for an Escalade? Don't see it. But, there was a 3 deep line to sit in one. Go figure.
The rest? Nothing that struck me as anything I'd spend much time looking at other than a quick glance. Maybe the VW GTI, but that's about it.
No action at the Korean exhibits? Or just no interest on your part?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Amazing to me how far all manufacturers have come in just a few years as far as the quality of their vehicles, however. I can remember 5 or 6 years ago going to the auto show and the gaps were much larger, the buttons and controls feeling rather flimsy....lots of hard plastic, even in expensive cars.
GM has made a dramatic turn around in those areas. They are putting out some of the nicest vehicles I looked at.
We talk about customer service in the luxury brands all the time in different threads. If Kia and Hyundai can nail customer service down, they would do themselves a huge favor. If the Genesis drives like it looks, they would go on my short list. They've got that MPG bugaboo they are dealing with.
BTW, the Cadillac ATS Coupe is super sexy.
I just wish the manufacturers would respect the spirit of the original ponycars: relatively small and light, lots of bright colors inside, and affordable.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
A dealer that happens to be local to me advertises on ClubWRX.com and offers quotes on request. So, I e-mail the individual and ask for a quote on a fully loaded WRX Limited with the HK/Navigation package.
MSRP - $34,054
Dealer Invoice - $31,738
Quote - $30,238 plus tax.
Pretty darn good I think.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I emailed asking for quotes on two new cars on their lot before buying my Fusion last year. Very helpful and made me want to do business with them.
2020 Ascent Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
http://www.schneidernelsonaudi.com/used/Volvo/2010-Volvo-S80-west-long-branch-nj-9a0818200a0a00de16507dd20091de11.htm
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I could live with that, though not my favorite color combo. Plus I would be fine with FWD/3.2!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
$68K for a Kia K900? Not really seeing it.. even with 429 HP.. Do you think LeBron really drives one?
Mitsubishi... didn't show
Audi: Only brought 4 cars, but they were the RS7, S8, S3 and Q5 TDI. RS7 is a turbo V-8 with 560 HP, AWD and 21" wheels....
Porsche only brought a Cayman S and a base Boxster and they were both locked
Volvo only brought an S60 and an XC60.
Mercedes had a great display.. GLA450 AMG, included
VW display was all white.. 8 cars, all in white... a little weird, but they looked great. Directly across the aisle from the new white GTI was a new white Focus ST. Two direct competitors with similar MSRPs. Interesting.
Mustang vs. Camaro vs. Challenger?
Mustang is sleek and cool. Mustang GT starts about $38K, while the model they had on display was $44.5K
Camaro models on display were the Z28 and ZL1. A little overstyled.. sort of cartoonish.. but, some serious motors.
Challenger: Compared to the other two, it looks like a big fat pig. I liked the retro Superbird green on the Scat Pack model, but really big.. and really heavy. Can't imagine picking it over the Mustang.
Lexus also had a nice display.. Had the RC F model. Remember when the LS460 was an S-Class competitor? Not if you see them side-by-side, which they nearly were at the show..
I love Acuras.. but, put them next to Lexus and Mercedes and they dissolve into the background.
Lots and lots of Range Rovers and Jaguars.. Big display and impressive.
BMW had the new i8 supercar and i3 electric, but not much else.
Infiniti? Boring.
Cadillac. Really like the ATS, sedan and coupe. The CTS has a horrible giant Cadillac crest on the grille. Maybe some of the other models do, as well... but, that really jumped out at me.
Subaru: Why can't you get a hatchback WRX?
Pickup trucks are everywhere, and look great! Gas is cheap!
The new vans are pretty cool... Ford Transit Connect looks like a pretty efficient people mover.
You could fit a 4th row in a Suburban or Expedition EL. (not that it has one.. but, the room is there)
Mazda has ruined the looks of the Mazda3 Hatchback... smoothed it out, way too much.
The new 4-door MINI is a good replacement for the dorky Clubman.
I'm used to the pretty women up on the turntables, but this year, there were a couple roaming each manufacturer's display. Something about young attractive women smiling at an old man like me, and wanting to talk makes me check for my wallet. Vaguely uncomfortable.
Edmunds Price Checker
Edmunds Lease Calculator
Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and share!
Edmunds Moderator
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Agree with you about Acura. Did they get a big display discount by putting their display at the far back corner of the show?
Funny about the BMW i8. I just watched TopGear where Clarkson gushed all over that car. My BMW dealer has been pretty honest about the i3, saying it's a tough sell.
Forgot about the Audi display. They brought the top of their line, across the board. Good job.
Infiniti-Agreed.....all I did was pass through, especially after hearing one of the "customer reps" telling someone else that their Q SUVs are all designed to "not even feel railroad track bumps". Really? I had to pass through with hip waders on.
I must be getting old. I thought the Challenger was more comfortable than the Mustang. I did like the seats better in the Mustang, though. Maybe it was the color of that Scat Pack Challenger (lime green). Somehow that really attracted me. Pig? Perhaps. But it is a very fast pig that was comfy. I want some seat time on both the Mustang GT and if I can find a Scat Pack at a dealer somewhere.
My son is thinking of selling his '12 Fiesta to his girlfriend. He's looking at the Mazda 3. But, he's also thinking of the Fit. No bad choices there.
I had a hard time getting any interest in the Toyotas there. Same with Nissans. HAve they changed the 3xxZ at all since they released the 350Z?.....aside from making the V6 a bit larger? Doesn't seem so.
Pretty women separating you from your wallet? That's the whole point isn't it?