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iluvmysephia1 · December 2015

I always liked the Mark Lindsay tune 'Arizona'. Mark worked with Paul Revere as many of you already know. What great music we had to enjoy growing up, eh?

capriracer · December 2015

"...... Aren't they limited pretty much to big tractor-trailer rigs? Never heard of them on a pick up. .... "

Nope. Split rims were found on many vehicles. Still used in certain applications, like mining tires.

isellhondas · December 2015

I've seen them on forklifts too. I know Ford used them on 3/4 ton pickups I believe through the 60's.

In Mt. Shasta CA,. there was a gas station that had a split rim embedded in the ceiling that had been there since I believe the 50's. Nasty suckers!

Mr_Shiftright · December 2015

Some guys used to wrap a chain around the tire before inflating it.

abacomike · December 2015

So I won a free oil change - I am so excited! I can't wait to use it!

I got up early this morning because I had quite a bit of Christmas shopping to do since I was unable to complete gift-selection prior to my heart problem. I drove up to the Boca Town Center in Boca Raton and hit Macy's, Apple, Saks Fifth Avenue, Nordstrom's and my last stop was Bloomingdale's for me!

I had that $500 gift card to Bloomingdale's so I decided to buy 4 Polo Ralph Lauren 2-button short sleeve golf shirts, 1/2 dozen Calvin Klein anklet sport socks and a 5 fluid ounce bottle of Chanel ALLURE Sport Cologne. The tab, with tax came to $497.22. The nice thing about that is I will receive a Bloomingdale's $100 gift card in the mail as a rewards bonus for purchasing Polo Ralph Lauren merchandise today. So my $500 gift card ended up as a $600 gift card. But let's face it, $89.95 for each golf shirt is more than I have ever paid for a short sleeve golf shirt - but when you subtract the $25.00 per shirt rebate, it isn't so bad. Besides, I"ve never had Ralph Lauren Polo Golf Shirts nor Chanel ALLURE Sport ($120.00). I'd never spend that much for cologne either - but I figured, what the heck - I'll smell like a millionaire which is the closest I'll ever come to actually being one.

I had so many packages and shopping bags that I left the shopping bags with what I purchased at each store. They have a special service whereby they sent someone to all the stores to pick up my Christmas gifts and they met me at my car and loaded everything in the trunk for me. What a great service - especially for someone like me at this point in my recovery.

On the way home I stopped off for gas and then to the dealership for a car wash. I actually drove with the the moon roof wide open - no need for air-conditioning today - it's 72 degrees out - beautiful. I then came home and opened up all the windows and the sliding glass door to the terrace to bring some fresh air into the house for a change. I then had some lunch, hung up my new shirts and turned on my computer for the first time in a month or so. I am exhausted, but it is obvious I am getting much stronger and have a bit more stamina. I know walking is important for exercise. What I might do is try getting back to my walking slowly to build up my strength.

This is the most active day I have had in almost a month - it sure felt good to be able to handle the shopping at the mall.

Now, I think I hear my bed in my bedroom calling my name!

abacomike · December 2015

isellhondas said:
I've seen them on forklifts too. I know Ford used them on 3/4 ton pickups I believe through the 60's.

In Mt. Shasta CA,. there was a gas station that had a split rim embedded in the ceiling that had been there since I believe the 50's. Nasty suckers!

Funny you should mention Mt. Shasta. My son and his ex-wife were married in Redding, CA, I remember seeing Mt. Shasta in the distance - covered in snow of course. It was not an easy trip up there from Palm Springs. I flew an Alaska Air Boeing 737 to San Francisco and then a change in planes to a "puddle jumper" into Redding. Beautiful country up there - almost untouched north of Redding with all the forests. Winters are too cold for me up there, but the summers are beautiful.

carnaught · December 2015

Mike, sounds like you did fantastically, and will smell great to boot. Glad to hear it!

berri · December 2015

Aba's turning the corner - way to go Mike!

abacomike · December 2015

@berri:
@carnaught:

Thanks guys. I just have to be careful not to overdo it.

imidazol97 · December 2015

abacomike said:
I actually drove with the the moon roof wide open - no need for air-conditioning today - it's 72 degrees out - beautiful. I then came home and opened up all the windows and the sliding glass door to the terrace to bring some fresh air into the house for a change.

We too didn't have to open windows as we drove to Chick Fil A for lunch. Since it's about 25 F we didn't have a need for AC. LOL. However, I painted the new lap boards I put on the south-facing side of my storage barn on Monday--in the 60 range. Back up to that kind of temps for Christmas after this weekend cold front.

abacomike said:
Now, I think I hear my bed in my bedroom calling my name!

I was wondering if you were overdoing it today and the last sentence is my answer. Take care and rest up.

snakeweasel · December 2015

driver100 said:

At one time owning a convertible was a real status symbol. Today, it is just a preference thing.....you get a convertible if you like driving with the top down.

That one time was when convertible tops tended to leak and get drafty with age so most people who owned a ragtop usually had another car for rainy or winter days. These days the tops keep their seals and don't leak or get drafty. Mine is 8 years old and no leaks nor any drafts.

snakeweasel · December 2015

abacomike said:
We are destined to repeat our mistakes because we don't know any better!

Yeah but some of those mistakes make mighty good stories.

snakeweasel · December 2015

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:
@stickguy said:

My real best memory was the '69 Volvo. That I can remember taking home new from the dealer. I was so excited! Ah, to be 7 again.

AAH, TO BE 25 AGAIN! I sure wouldn't want to go through puberty again!!!
To heck with 25. I'd settle for 39 again.

Heck next month I turn 39.

Of course it would be close to the 20th time I turned 29 but that's just a formality.

snakeweasel · December 2015

Mr_Shiftright said:
Hmm...I think Clark Kent's car was a Nash Healey.

Doesn't look like he would be able to put the top up on that.

Speaking of which I got behind a BMW roadster that must have been used by Caesar himself, it was a wonder the thing was staying together as it had several body pieces missing. Anyway it had the plastic back window and what looked like two after market head rests sticking so far up they were almost poking through that plastic window. I am serious when I say you could easily see how the window was deformed by those things.

snakeweasel · December 2015

driver100 said:
Additionally, Mason utilized the TV series “Superman,” as Clark Kent (aka Superman) drove Nash cars in the shows, including a Nash-Healy two-seater. The earlier episode Nash cars were utilized by Inspector Henderson of the Metropolis police department who always arrived in a Nash. Co-star “Lois Lane” drove a Nash Rambler convertible, while photographer “Jimmy Olsen” roamed in a Nash Metropolitan.

Lois Lanes Nash Rambler;

Did Nash sponsor "Superman"?

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

Some car dealers shouldn't drink.

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5363388443.html

At least you know what he spent the $5 on that he saved by posting in the owner section.

snakeweasel · December 2015

houdini1 said:

That's the problem with this darn internet. For years my wife would ask me some question and I would confidently rattle off some half baked answer and she would believe me. Thought I was a genius. Then she started checking some of my answers on her ipad, and that was the end of my genius days !

In my re-enacting days we had a member of our group that was a walking encyclopedia on antiques. If you brought something obscure to him he would tell you exactly what it was. The only problem was was that he was an expert BS'er too. So if he didn't know he would make something up that was 100% plausible.

The real problem was that when he came on an obscure object and knew what it was many time his explanation wouldn't make sense because it didn't seem right, but when he BS'ed you it did. So the rule of thumb was that if it sounded like he was making things up he was telling the truth.

snakeweasel · December 2015

driver100 said:

Interesting news from Dominica......and the low customer count on the airline. Maybe there is a contract in place and they have to keep flying until a certain date....or to maintain other routes.

It could very well be that they need the airplane there to fly a different, and profitable, route.

berri · December 2015

Thanks for the insider investing info Oldfarmer. Ford is bringing back the Escort, enlarging it and buying Chevrolet.

Mr_Shiftright · December 2015

Always a good idea to have a picture of your OBD scanner hooked up to the car---LOL!

oldfarmer50 said:
Some car dealers shouldn't drink.

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5363388443.html

At least you know what he spent the $5 on that he saved by posting in the owner section.

snakeweasel · December 2015

sda said:

But I still reminisce about my Oldsmobiles.

Like father/like son, ditto. From the mid 60s until 3 years ago my parents typically had an Olds or Cadillac in the driveway, with their last being a 98 Aurora. They now have a CR-V. I owned many Olds in the past and was upset when GM announced that Olds was being shuttered in 2001. Of all the GM car divisions at that time I thought Olds had the most attractive and up to date product offering.

Like father/like son - not here, at least with cars. My dad was a Ford man to the extent that there were only two kinds of cars, Fords and other Fords. Me I'll buy most brands as long as the car interests me and fills my desires. I have owned cars from the Detroit gang and several imports. I don't care about the make (as long as it's not a Toyota) as long as I like it, and it does what I want it to do.

BTW the only Ford I would get right now would be the Mustang, but I might be enticed to get the electric Focus as I have test driven one once and was really pleased.

ab348 · December 2015

Might be a bit sluggish with just a 4-banger under the hood....

stickguy · December 2015

my old stomping grounds in Schenectady too, Farmer. I went to college within walking distance to that lot based on the map location in the ad.

snakeweasel · December 2015

imidazol97 said:

Then there a couple summers back when someone in a Lamborghini or Maserati was zipping around folks doing lane changes for clear space ahead to gun it on I75 with 6 lanes just north of I275 Cincinnati. Just WOW.

Many years (decades?) ago I was driving down I-88 through Northern Illinois early on a Saturday morning. I was maybe 3/5ths of the way across the state from Chicago to the Quad Cities. This road at that time back then was always empty, when all of a sudden something shot past me at what I estimated was at least 100 MPH faster than my speed which likely was something in the vicinity of 60-70 MPH. Whatever it was shot passed me so fast I couldn't make out what it was.

snakeweasel · December 2015

Michaell said:

At some point I'd love to get a Mustang GT and put a nice sounding exhaust system on it. Doesn't have to be new - heck, it doesn't even have to be the 5.0. I'd take the 4.6. I don't need 400+ HP - 300 would be just fine.

I am thinking that a Mustang could be my next car but not the GT. The V-6 is plenty powerful enough and I cannot justifying spending $10K+ more for power that I would only use 0.1% of the time.

snakeweasel · December 2015

abacomike said:

Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, I believe that great looking wheels add a special dimension to the attractiveness of a car. What's the first thing that attracts your attention on a great looking car? The wheels of course.

If you plan on keeping the car for several years, consider adding sharp alloy wheels. I have the 19" "multispoked" AMG wheels. They were a $1000 option over the 18" standard wheel. They are painted a dark gray, but you don't notice they are painted until you get close. But they are machined alloys,

I would think you could get a nice set of wheels on the secondary market real cheap.

I'll have to disagree with you on that one. The wheels are one of the last things I notice on a car, what attracts my attention on a great looking car is the lines of the body. But I will add that good wheels make a car look better. My Sebring came with aluminum wheels that the detail guy (gal?) at the dealership neglected to clean when the car was delivered. When I gave them a good cleaning man did they stand out and in a good way. Unfortunately 6 years and close to 90K miles took their toll.

snakeweasel · December 2015

PF_Flyer said:
I'm so dedicated
Wife's car was due for oil change/checkup, so here's the view from my "office" at Tire Town in State College...

If you have tire questions, this would be the morning...LOL

Yeah, can you get me a price on 700-25 tires?

stickguy · December 2015

Snake, I am probably with you on the Mustang. if it did happen, odds are I would talk myself down to one of the smaller engines (maybe the turbo 4) to save a lot of money. I will never likely come close to using all the capability either the 4 or 6 has, and would probably just scare myself with the V8! The price differential really does seem extreme. $1,500 or so? sure. Close to 10K? well, that is a bit much.

also depends heavily on if it is an AT or a manual trans. I am not a fun of really heavy clutches.

snakeweasel · December 2015

Mr_Shiftright said:
I heard that new Camaros come with a hand gun in the glove box and a $100 gift certificate towards a tattoo but that's probably not true.

No it's not true, the new Camaros come with a CB radio, a cowboy hat and a Sally Field look alike.

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/16/2419B82600000578-2876311-The_iconic_Trans_Am_car_from_the_Smokey_and_the_Bandit_movies_fe-a-1_1418764580175.jpg

snakeweasel · December 2015

PF_Flyer said:
How about a Seinfeld-type of moment that hit me driving my hatchback in the rain today? That rear window really catches the road spray and needs to be cleaned all the time. How about a rolling rear window that occasionally moves a fresh pane of "glass" into place as it wipes the dirty one clean? Sorta like the cameras they put on race cars for TV.

Huh? Yea??

Sometimes you have to write these things down BEFORE people tell you to forget them!!

The last few hatchback/wagons I have had had this thing called a windshield wiper to keep the rear window clean. Seemed to work back then.

snakeweasel · December 2015

PF_Flyer said:
The car has a rear wiper. I think I just want an easier way to clear the entire window

Do you want it for the front window?

snakeweasel · December 2015

verdugo said:

snakeweasel said:

While Jeeps may not be the best for paved roads but they are one of the best for when you run out of road.
That only applies to the Wrangler. The other Jeeps are totally fine on the road. My Jeep Grand Cherokee is buttery smooth on the road, but it's trail rated also.

That's likely true, when I think of Jeep I do think of the Wangler. To me the Cherokee and others really don't speak "Jeep".

isellhondas · December 2015

abacomike said:

isellhondas said:
I've seen them on forklifts too. I know Ford used them on 3/4 ton pickups I believe through the 60's.

In Mt. Shasta CA,. there was a gas station that had a split rim embedded in the ceiling that had been there since I believe the 50's. Nasty suckers!
Funny you should mention Mt. Shasta. My son and his ex-wife were married in Redding, CA, I remember seeing Mt. Shasta in the distance - covered in snow of course. It was not an easy trip up there from Palm Springs. I flew an Alaska Air Boeing 737 to San Francisco and then a change in planes to a "puddle jumper" into Redding. Beautiful country up there - almost untouched north of Redding with all the forests. Winters are too cold for me up there, but the summers are beautiful.

" The summers are beautiful"

Oh, you think so? I used to have to work in and around Redding and let me tell you, the summers get HOT and they stay HOT. I was working one summer day in Red Bluff which is just a bit south of Redding and it hit 119 that day! Maybe you like heat like that?

You sound so much better and I am so happy to hear this! Keep up the good progress!

snakeweasel · December 2015

stickguy said:
Snake, I am probably with you on the Mustang. if it did happen, odds are I would talk myself down to one of the smaller engines (maybe the turbo 4) to save a lot of money. I will never likely come close to using all the capability either the 4 or 6 has, and would probably just scare myself with the V8! The price differential really does seem extreme. $1,500 or so? sure. Close to 10K? well, that is a bit much.

also depends heavily on if it is an AT or a manual trans. I am not a fun of really heavy clutches.

Well according to Fords website the base V-6 starts at $25,600 where the GT starts at $34,100 so it's close to 10K. However I was looking at the ragtop when I compared prices which are $31,100 and $43,600 respectively.

Of course that is just the starting MSPR for each engine size and comparing them with the same equipment might give different numbers but the base V-6 is a lot less expensive than the base V-8.

nyccarguy · December 2015

stickguy said:
Snake, I am probably with you on the Mustang. if it did happen, odds are I would talk myself down to one of the smaller engines (maybe the turbo 4) to save a lot of money. I will never likely come close to using all the capability either the 4 or 6 has, and would probably just scare myself with the V8! The price differential really does seem extreme. $1,500 or so? sure. Close to 10K? well, that is a bit much.

also depends heavily on if it is an AT or a manual trans. I am not a fun of really heavy clutches.

I don't care how "good" the turbo 4 or the V6 is on a pony car. If I'm going for it, then I'm going to swing for the fences. Go with the V8 or go home. Jalopnik gave the new V6 Camaro an excellent review.

I'll never come close to using the capability of my Legacy's 175 hp 4cyl. Doesn't mean I don't want MORE POWER! ARGH ARGH ARGH!

snakeweasel · December 2015

nyccarguy said:

I don't care how "good" the turbo 4 or the V6 is on a pony car. If I'm going for it, then I'm going to swing for the fences. Go with the V8 or go home. Jalopnik gave the new V6 Camaro an excellent review.

I'll never come close to using the capability of my Legacy's 175 hp 4cyl. Doesn't mean I don't want MORE POWER! ARGH ARGH ARGH!

When you go to the movies do you buy the extra large drink and extra large popcorn knowing full well that you will only consume half of it and throw away the rest?

driver100 · December 2015

abacomike said:
So I won a free oil change - I am so excited! I can't wait to use it!

I got up early this morning because I had quite a bit of Christmas shopping to do since I was unable to complete gift-selection prior to my heart problem. I drove up to the Boca Town Center in Boca Raton and hit Macy's, Apple, Saks Fifth Avenue, Nordstrom's and my last stop was Bloomingdale's for me!

I $89.95 for each golf shirt is more than I have ever paid for a short sleeve golf shirt - but when you subtract the $25.00 per shirt rebate, it isn't so bad..

Mike, you mut have recovered....I don't think I would last too long if I went to a mall,,,that would finish me off in about 15 minutes, let alone go to 4 department stores!

About the $89 shirts, I don't think I have spent more than $30 on a shirt, and most average around $20.

But, enjoy yourself....that's what your money is for.

Glad you are feeling better.

driver100 · December 2015

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
Additionally, Mason utilized the TV series “Superman,” as Clark Kent (aka Superman) drove Nash cars in the shows, including a Nash-Healy two-seater. The earlier episode Nash cars were utilized by Inspector Henderson of the Metropolis police department who always arrived in a Nash. Co-star “Lois Lane” drove a Nash Rambler convertible, while photographer “Jimmy Olsen” roamed in a Nash Metropolitan.

Lois Lanes Nash Rambler;

Did Nash sponsor "Superman"?

I don't think so, but it seems all the main characters drove Nash's. I don't think they had ad placements in those days.

driver100 · December 2015

oldfarmer50 said:
Some car dealers shouldn't drink.

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5363388443.html

At least you know what he spent the $5 on that he saved by posting in the owner section.

Sounds like a bait and switch deal, only no bait but a big switcherooni.

driver100 · December 2015

stickguy said:
Snake, I am probably with you on the Mustang. if it did happen, odds are I would talk myself down to one of the smaller engines (maybe the turbo 4) to save a lot of money. I will never likely come close to using all the capability either the 4 or 6 has, and would probably just scare myself with the V8! The price differential really does seem extreme. $1,500 or so? sure. Close to 10K? well, that is a bit much.

also depends heavily on if it is an AT or a manual trans. I am not a fun of really heavy clutches.

I actually saw an ad for a Ford dealer this morning. They had a new Mustang for $21k, and a GT model for $38k. I thought to myself, that is one huge spread for the same model car. I would really hesitate to lay out $38k for a car that is pretty much the same as the $21k car. I know it is different, but not double different!

driver100 · December 2015

snakeweasel said:

nyccarguy said:

I don't care how "good" the turbo 4 or the V6 is on a pony car. If I'm going for it, then I'm going to swing for the fences. Go with the V8 or go home. Jalopnik gave the new V6 Camaro an excellent review.

I'll never come close to using the capability of my Legacy's 175 hp 4cyl. Doesn't mean I don't want MORE POWER! ARGH ARGH ARGH!
When you go to the movies do you buy the extra large drink and extra large popcorn knowing full well that you will only consume half of it and throw away the rest?

Price of a small popcorn is about $5, a medium is $5.50, and an enormous is $5.75. So, yeh, sometimes it would seem worth it to buy the largest one and eat what you can and dump the rest out.....in case you are hungrier than you expected to be.

mako1a · December 2015

I sold my truck last week. Wasn't using it much. Paid $8800 for it 3 years ago. Sold it for $6k. Nice clean truck, but lots of miles (218000).

snakeweasel · December 2015

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

Did Nash sponsor "Superman"?
I don't think so, but it seems all the main characters drove Nash's. I don't think they had ad placements in those days.

It's not product placement as such, shows back then were sponsored by companies and the shows often used the sponsors products. Looking into this it appears the Superman was sponsored by Kelloggs.

snakeweasel · December 2015

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
Snake, I am probably with you on the Mustang. if it did happen, odds are I would talk myself down to one of the smaller engines (maybe the turbo 4) to save a lot of money. I will never likely come close to using all the capability either the 4 or 6 has, and would probably just scare myself with the V8! The price differential really does seem extreme. $1,500 or so? sure. Close to 10K? well, that is a bit much.

also depends heavily on if it is an AT or a manual trans. I am not a fun of really heavy clutches.
I actually saw an ad for a Ford dealer this morning. They had a new Mustang for $21k, and a GT model for $38k. I thought to myself, that is one huge spread for the same model car. I would really hesitate to lay out $38k for a car that is pretty much the same as the $21k car. I know it is different, but not double different!

The one thing I wonder is what is optional on the V-6 that's standard on the GT? It does make a difference if the additional standard equipment is something you would buy if you got the V-6, but it's meaningless if it's not.

mako1a · December 2015

Snake, the Mustang is sold by packages. Base is the same on 6 cyl or 8 cyl. Premium can be had on either as well. Premium has SYNC, Shaker stereo and bluetooth. Non premium has basic stereo, cloth seats, less chrome. They both look and function similarly. I started with a 6 cyl and traded it for a GT (Both premium interiors) within 4 months. Lost very little on the trade. Wife heard the 6 start up in the garage and said "it doesn't sound like a Mustang". Next day I had the GT and never looked back.

nyccarguy · December 2015

snakeweasel said:

I don't care how "good" the turbo 4 or the V6 is on a pony car. If I'm going for it, then I'm going to swing for the fences. Go with the V8 or go home. Jalopnik gave the new V6 Camaro an excellent review. I'll never come close to using the capability of my Legacy's 175 hp 4cyl. Doesn't mean I don't want MORE POWER! ARGH ARGH ARGH!
When you go to the movies do you buy the extra large drink and extra large popcorn knowing full well that you will only consume half of it and throw away the rest?

No, but I've always wanted a V8 powered car. If I buy the small popcorn & want more I can always get it or get a bigger one the next time I go to the movies.

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

stickguy said:
my old stomping grounds in Schenectady too, Farmer. I went to college within walking distance to that lot based on the map location in the ad.

Just think, if you hadn't gone on to other things after Union College you could be a shady used car salesman today.

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

snakeweasel said:

Michaell said:

At some point I'd love to get a Mustang GT and put a nice sounding exhaust system on it. Doesn't have to be new - heck, it doesn't even have to be the 5.0. I'd take the 4.6. I don't need 400+ HP - 300 would be just fine.
I am thinking that a Mustang could be my next car but not the GT. The V-6 is plenty powerful enough and I cannot justifying spending $10K+ more for power that I would only use 0.1% of the time.

Consider the Ecoboost. You can always say you care about the planet. With the V-6 people will always be asking you to take dictation.

abacomike · December 2015

nyccarguy said:

snakeweasel said:

I don't care how "good" the turbo 4 or the V6 is on a pony car. If I'm going for it, then I'm going to swing for the fences. Go with the V8 or go home. Jalopnik gave the new V6 Camaro an excellent review. I'll never come close to using the capability of my Legacy's 175 hp 4cyl. Doesn't mean I don't want MORE POWER! ARGH ARGH ARGH!
When you go to the movies do you buy the extra large drink and extra large popcorn knowing full well that you will only consume half of it and throw away the rest?

No, but I've always wanted a V8 powered car. If I buy the small popcorn & want more I can always get it or get a bigger one the next time I go to the movies.

We're only rationalizing buying a V6 over a V8 or vise versa. "If I find I would rather have the V8, I can get it next time!"

My suggestion is to carefully analyze the options, drive both cars (V6 and V8), determine which fits your desires, then buy that one. It's an expensive decision if you end up buying a car that is less satisfying.

I had a CLS550 in 2014. I found the 402 hp to be a bit overpowered for my tastes and needs - they did not have a V6 twin turbo at the time in their lineup. When I drove the 2016 CLS400, I found the 330 hp and 354 ft lbs of torque to be fast and powerful enough for my needs - it has the punch I like when I need it and moves off the line faster than most cars.

I certainly would never have bought the CLS550 again. Additionally, 31 mpg highway and 20 mpg city is much more economical. Too bad they didn't have the CLS400 back in 2014.

If I was going to buy a Mustang, only the Premium GT V8 would be acceptable - that's why you buy a Mustang - RAW POWER! Just my opinion.

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

stickguy said:
Snake, I am probably with you on the Mustang. if it did happen, odds are I would talk myself down to one of the smaller engines (maybe the turbo 4) to save a lot of money. I will never likely come close to using all the capability either the 4 or 6 has, and would probably just scare myself with the V8! The price differential really does seem extreme. $1,500 or so? sure. Close to 10K? well, that is a bit much.

also depends heavily on if it is an AT or a manual trans. I am not a fun of really heavy clutches.

The Mustang clutch to me seems unusually light but I'm use to shifting trucks so what do I know. Only way to know is try it.

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