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driver100 · December 2015

imidazol97 said:
Happy Boxing Day to our friends from the North. If you aren't in Canada,
do you still celebrate Boxing Day--a question for our friends in Sunny HOT
Florida.

I wouldn't celebrate Boxing Day if I was in Canada so I don't celebrate it here. It is a minor holiday...servants got a gift in a little box after Christmas, so it became known as Boxing Day. I think it is a good holiday as it gives most people a day off after Christmas. But here it is a regular day...drove by a Firestone store and a Good Year store at 7 p,m. Saturday evening and they were still fixing cars. A Walmart Neighborhood Store and Sam's were open Saturday evening....who needs groceries on a Saturday evening.

But, thank you for your good Boxing Day Wishes, it is very thoughtful.

Mr_Shiftright · December 2015

Thanks for reminding me. I must get the servants something.

snakeweasel · December 2015

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:
My wife wanted to take the grandkids to American Girl for lunch today. So guess where I am at right now? Yep I got dragged into this. Someone please kill me.
Don't worry, just take a shot of testosterone when you get home and you'll be fine.

Looking at the bright side of it I got to drive on this:

fezo · December 2015

Actually, if it wasn't my brother's first day in law school, it was very early on when the professor told the class that if you can't represent a man who you believe to be guilty and defend him against the charge you have no business being a lawyer.

He mostly does civil law, a lot of family law but he is the prosecutor in at least three towns.

abacomike · December 2015

snakeweasel said:

My wife wanted to take the grandkids to American Girl for lunch today. So guess where I am at right now? Yep I got dragged into this. Someone please kill me.
Don't worry, just take a shot of testosterone when you get home and you'll be fine.
Looking at the bright side of it I got to drive on this:

When I moved to Chicago from New York on my grant for my MA, I spent my first week there on the 30th floor of Marina City Towers (twin towers in the center of downtown Chicago). The first 15-20 floors are just parking spaces. You drive up on the circular drive to your reserved spot and then take an elevator to your residence.

I had a tough time falling asleep because the circular tower would sway back and forth in the strong winds. How people could get used to that is beyond me!

imidazol97 · December 2015

I recall the Sears Tower swaying in the wind. Really bothered me. And the idiot who
designed the video shown while the express elevator is shooting you upward at high
speed to get to that observation level should be shot. Having watched the elevator \in
the video shoot through the top of the building and far up into the air made me
feel even more queasy. LOL

After the planes hit the World Trade Centers, I often thought about the feeling folks
on the observation levels must have had seeing the plane fly into the building
under them. What if it had happened a decade or so earlier at the Sears Tower...
I think. I wouldn't go up on any observation tower now.

Feeling the building sway would really bother me.

Weren't the Marina Towers the setting for the Bob Newhart show of
that era?

abacomike · December 2015

imidazol97 said:

I recall the Sears Tower swaying in the wind. Really bothered me. And the idiot who designed the video shown while the express elevator is shooting you upward at high speed to get to that observation level should be shot. Having watched the elevator \in the video shoot through the top of the building and far up into the air made me feel even more queasy. LOL After the planes hit the World Trade Centers, I often thought about the feeling folks on the observation levels must have had seeing the plane fly into the building under them. What if it had happened a decade or so earlier at the Sears Tower... I think. I wouldn't go up on any observation tower now. Feeling the building sway would really bother me. Weren't the Marina Towers the setting for the Bob Newhart show of that era?

I really don't recall. Back in the late 1960's, Marina City Towers was "THE IN PLACE" to live in Chicago. The towers were completed in 1964. If you Google Marina City, they have a detailed history of its construction and design. At the time, it was the most expensive place to live in downtown Chicago. A friend of the family lived there and had two vacant, furnished apartments there, one of which I lived in until I could find a place of my own. I offered to pay him a few hundred for the week, but he refused. It was very nice of him.

But every time I think about that building, my stomach gets queezie from the movement of the building in the strong winds.

berri · December 2015

I know they have a shot of Marina City on the old Bob Newhart intro, but they show him getting on an "L" so I'm guessing from that shot that he was supposed to live somewhere on the north shore. Incidentally, he was originally from Chicago - an accountant who did some comedy stand up on the side.

berri · December 2015

Aba - sounds like you lived all over the place. What place did you like the best?

abacomike · December 2015

berri said:

Aba - sounds like you lived all over the place. What place did you like the best?

Yes, I've lived in quite a few places - NYC, the Poconos in PA, Chicago and several suburbs, San Diego CA, North Los Angeles CA, Palm Desert CA, N. Miami Beach FL, Northern Broward County FL (where I live now).

If I had to choose one place, it would be San Diego with Palm Desert being a very close second, earthquakes and all!

berri · December 2015

Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

abacomike · December 2015

berri said:

Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

I didn't care for La Jolla. During the summer, the cloud inversions cause heavy clouds from early morning to late afternoon. Not very sunny. I lived in Carmel Mountain Ranch which was 12 miles east of the ocean and clear skies all day.

driver100 · December 2015

berri said:
Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

Not supposed to mention politics

stickguy · December 2015

Hey, I took the bullet of taking my son to the Pokemon movie too. Got there late and ended up in 2nd row. It was awful. And did chuckles once (some kids birthday party) and swore never again.

Fezo, great looking Miata. Price seems fair. But if I didn't fit and couldn't get in and out 10 years ago, I doubt I can now!

abacomike · December 2015

berri said:

Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

Romney who?

fezo · December 2015

stickguy said:

Fezo, great looking Miata. Price seems fair. But if I didn't fit and couldn't get in and out 10 years ago, I doubt I can now!

Well, I'm getting mine fixed so I'm out of the market. That was tempting, though. Very much so.

Michaell · December 2015

abacomike said:

berri said:

Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

I didn't care for La Jolla. During the summer, the cloud inversions cause heavy clouds from early morning to late afternoon. Not very sunny. I lived in Carmel Mountain Ranch which was 12 miles east of the ocean and clear skies all day.

Yes, the infamous "June Gloom" - my folks get it in Ventura County, where I grew up.

My sister and her family live around Poway/RB, so I'm somewhat familiar with where you lived in Carmel Mtn Ranch.

abacomike · December 2015

Michaell said:

berri said:

Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

I didn't care for La Jolla. During the summer, the cloud inversions cause heavy clouds from early morning to late afternoon. Not very sunny. I lived in Carmel Mountain Ranch which was 12 miles east of the ocean and clear skies all day.
Yes, the infamous "June Gloom" - my folks get it in Ventura County, where I grew up. My sister and her family live around Poway/RB, so I'm somewhat familiar with where you lived in Carmel Mtn Ranch.

Yep - right between Poway and Rancho Bernardo just off the I-15.

carnaught · December 2015

abacomike said:

berri said:

Win a nice lotto and make it La Jolla - you can be Romney's neighbor

Romney who?

PULLED

abacomike · December 2015

For the first time in several days, I felt well enough to drive over to the Casino and have their brunch, which is comped to me. I had a piece of prime rib, some smoked brisket of beef, some shrimp cocktail and 2 pancakes and syrup. That's the most I've eaten in almost four weeks. I didn't have large portions, very small portions in fact. I just don't have the appetite I used to have for food.

For the past 4 weeks, I have been taking 1 low-dose (81 mg) coated aspirin every morning, as directed by my doctors, with the rest of my pills. I've noticed that my stomach has been bothering me for a couple of weeks and it finally dawned on me - I can't take aspirin because it causes horrible stomach problems for me. So I did not take the aspirin this morning. As I guessed, my stomach is much better. I will call the doctor's office tomorrow (two of them are still on vacation somewhere in India or Pakistan) and inform the nurses that I have stopped taking the aspirin. He prescribed a pill for stomach pains every morning, but it is obviously not working. I take two strong pills each day that are blood thinners - Eliquis and Brilinta along with statins and a cholesterol pill. I know they like to prescribe low dose aspirin after a heart attack, but I just can't handle aspirin. I guess I should also put a call into the cardiologist (he's also in India until after the 1st of January) and let the nurses know I cannot handle aspirin. I would think that with all the blood thinners I am on, the aspirin is very redundant. I will find out tomorrow.

abacomike · December 2015

I got a call from my son last night. He wanted to make sure that both boys called to thank me for their Christmas gifts. I told him I got a call from the older boy, but I did not speak with the younger one (he is autistic with aspergers). I said to him that he probably forgot, but that it was not necessary for him to thank me. considering his difficulties with language.

He said it was unseasonably cold out in the low desert this year. Highs in the upper 50's and low 60's and lows in the 40's. It's usually closer to 70 during the day this time of year out there. But the whole west coast has had a very cold December with the outlook for January similar. He said he was cold, which is saying something since he usually doesn't mind it being cooler in the winter out there.

Here, it's still in the mid 80's during the day and mid to upper 70's at night. We are setting records for not only high temps during the day, but "highest low temps" at night. Very interesting winter so far.

We are supposed to cool off to more normal temps this coming weekend. It would be nice to not have to run the AC all the time.

berri · December 2015

Seems like this entire year has been bonkers weather almost everywhere. Who do we blame - the Chinese or the Iranians

berri · December 2015

right between Poway and Rancho Bernardo just off the I-15.

Had to think about this for a bit, but wasn't there some odd cable show awhile back about a family that ran a funeral home in Poway? Heck, nothing else much of merit on TV anymore!

I remember taking the family to San Diego sometime in the mid to late 90's. We were standing in a long line for a weekend tour of a Navy ship. It was hot and slow moving when I spotted a brochure for a place called something like Deer Park Winery. Turned out to have one of the neatest auto museums I ever went to. It was a series of several barn like buildings that had post WWII convertibles. But it also had things like appliances, radio's and TV's, etc. from those era's as well. Plus it had a building filled with Barbie doll stuff. Some years later when I was in san Diego I couldn't find anything about it and didn't have time to drive up into Escondido. I suspect insurance and surging baby boomer prices led to it's sell off, just like the kind of cool Branson, MO. '57 Heaven collection at the Dick Clark theater complex.

stever · December 2015

My wife grew up in San Diego but all her durn family moved away so it's hard to freeload on anyone there anymore. We got about 10" yesterday and last night (2 to 4" in town). Already starting to melt a bit but it's pretty while it lasts.

Luckily our company has a Subbie so they drove all of us to dinner last night.

Mr_Shiftright · December 2015

berri said:
Seems like this entire year has been bonkers weather almost everywhere. Who do we blame - the Chinese or the Iranians

I'm sure some stoner on YouTube has a conspiracy theory for that

30 degrees in Sonoma CA. The grapes are freezing! (just kidding, the "resting" vines actually like it).

snakeweasel · December 2015

imidazol97 said:

After the planes hit the World Trade Centers, I often thought about the feeling folks
on the observation levels must have had seeing the plane fly into the building
under them. What if it had happened a decade or so earlier at the Sears Tower...
I think. I wouldn't go up on any observation tower now.

I think that the observation levels of the twin towers weren't open at the time of the attack.

imidazol97 said:
Feeling the building sway would really bother me.

Weren't the Marina Towers the setting for the Bob Newhart show of
that era?

Tall buildings are designed to give a little, most not more than an inch or two.

In the Newhart show Bob lived in the Edgewater Neighborhood along Sheridan Dr.

snakeweasel · December 2015

abacomike said:

I really don't recall. Back in the late 1960's, Marina City Towers was "THE IN PLACE" to live in Chicago. The towers were completed in 1964. If you Google Marina City, they have a detailed history of its construction and design. At the time, it was the most expensive place to live in downtown Chicago. A friend of the family lived there and had two vacant, furnished apartments there, one of which I lived in until I could find a place of my own. I offered to pay him a few hundred for the week, but he refused. It was very nice of him.

But every time I think about that building, my stomach gets queezie from the movement of the building in the strong winds.

Currently you can get a studio apartment in Marina City for something like 160K and a 1450 square foot 2 bedroom Condo for around $400K. Since the towers are on the river they have their own marina.

imidazol97 · December 2015

imidazol97 said:
Feeling the building sway would really bother me.

Tall buildings are designed to give a little, most not more than an inch or two.

The average sway of Sears Tower is 6 inches amplitude from center, so the total average sway is
12 inches under "ideal" circumstances. The build is designed to sway up to 3 feet from center.

http://theskydeck.com/for-kids/fun-facts/

The Marina Towers sway and this author posted a recording of sounds his building
makes during its swaying.

http://www.chicagocarless.com/2009/03/25/when-the-wind-blows-at-marina-city/

ab348 · December 2015

berri said:
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Had to think about this for a bit, but wasn't there some odd cable show awhile back about a family that ran a funeral home in Poway? Heck, nothing else much of merit on TV anymore!

I remember taking the family to San Diego sometime in the mid to late 90's. We were standing in a long line for a weekend tour of a Navy ship. It was hot and slow moving when I spotted a brochure for a place called something like Deer Park Winery. Turned out to have one of the neatest auto museums I ever went to. It was a series of several barn like buildings that had post WWII convertibles. But it also had things like appliances, radio's and TV's, etc. from those era's as well. Plus it had a building filled with Barbie doll stuff. Some years later when I was in san Diego I couldn't find anything about it and didn't have time to drive up into Escondido. I suspect insurance and surging baby boomer prices led to it's sell off, just like the kind of cool Branson, MO. '57 Heaven collection at the Dick Clark theater complex.

You're thinking of the A&E show "Family Plots", about the Poway Bernardo Mortuary in Poway, California.

The website for Deer Park seems to indicate it is still there:

http://deerparkwine.com/museum.html

abacomike · December 2015

imidazol97 said:

Feeling the building sway would really bother me.

Tall buildings are designed to give a little, most not more than an inch or two.
The average sway of Sears Tower is 6 inches amplitude from center, so the total average sway is 12 inches under "ideal" circumstances. The build is designed to sway up to 3 feet from center. http://theskydeck.com/for-kids/fun-facts/ The Marina Towers sway and this author posted a recording of sounds his building makes during its swaying. http://www.chicagocarless.com/2009/03/25/when-the-wind-blows-at-marina-city/

I am totally serious about my problems sleeping while living that short time in the Marina City Towers. It was in January, 1966, during an exceptionally windy couple of days. The wind was howling from the northeast at about 25-35 mph. I was in bed and almost ended up on the floor. I stood up because I was getting seasick and had difficulty maintaining my balance. It certainly was more than 6 inches in one direction - it was more like a foot in each direction.

It was a week long experience I will not soon forget - and it was 50 years ago - and I still get dizzy just recalling the experience!

stickguy · December 2015

I went to a conference at the rancho Bernardo inn once. Had to be at least 20 years ago. My only trip into San Diego. I recall it being a beautiful place and area.

berri · December 2015

Don't like tall buildings swaying - don't look closely at the wings on that jumbo jet because they are doing the same thing or they would get ripped off the fuselage.

Aba - don't you know that the "windy" in Windy City is supposed to be about the politicians

abacomike · December 2015

berri said:

Don't like tall buildings swaying - don't look closely at the wings on that jumbo jet because they are doing the same thing or they would get ripped off the fuselage. Aba - don't you know that the "windy" in Windy City is supposed to be about the politicians

Yes, I knew that - but in winter, that northwest wind coming in from Canada can be brutal. I don't enjoy going into a high rise building and going to the top floors. That's where you feel the building movement the worst.

abacomike · December 2015

stickguy said:

I went to a conference at the rancho Bernardo inn once. Had to be at least 20 years ago. My only trip into San Diego. I recall it being a beautiful place and area.

Yes, stick, the northeast San Diego suburbs are beautiful - Poway, Carmel Mountain Ranch, Rancho Bernardo and some eastern parts of Escondido. Weather is as close to perfect as you can get in the US. There is rainy season in winter, but April through November are beautiful months.

sb55 · December 2015

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:
Happy Boxing Day to our friends from the North. If you aren't in Canada,
do you still celebrate Boxing Day--a question for our friends in Sunny HOT
Florida.
I wouldn't celebrate Boxing Day if I was in Canada so I don't celebrate it here. It is a minor holiday...servants got a gift in a little box after Christmas, so it became known as Boxing Day. I think it is a good holiday as it gives most people a day off after Christmas. But here it is a regular day...drove by a Firestone store and a Good Year store at 7 p,m. Saturday evening and they were still fixing cars. A Walmart Neighborhood Store and Sam's were open Saturday evening....who needs groceries on a Saturday evening.

But, thank you for your good Boxing Day Wishes, it is very thoughtful.

Several years ago we took a vacation to London (England) for Christmas. When we landed on Christmas eve, everything was open. To our dismay, on Christmas day AND Boxing day almost everything was closed. Including the tube (subway to most of us)!!! We were stuck walking around our hotel neighborhood looking for anything to do. I remember watching a showing of the movie Titanic in the hotel TV since there was nothing else for us to do! We lost an extra day of exploring as we had no idea Boxing day was a real holiday in England..... I can't imagine mass transit shutting down for 2 days anywhere in the US (or Canada).

driver100 · December 2015

We went to a show yesterday and saw the movie "The Big Short" which was a very clever movie that explains the economic crash of 2008, and explains how the banks defrauded America....especially the average person.

However, I digress, what I wanted to talk about was an ad that was on before the movie started.....why we have to sit through ads is another matter all together, but now I have digressed again.

I wanted to ask if anyone has used or heard about Verizon's Hum device? Here is an explanation:

Verizon Telematics, a subsidiary of the biggest US wireless carrier, has launched a new aftermarket telematics vehicle platform that gives drivers detailed information on their car's health and how to get help in the event of an emergency or car trouble.

Dubbed Hum, the $15-a-month service requires drivers to install a small dongle into their car's onboard diagnostic reader (OBD) port. Almost every car made after 1996 has an OBD.

A Bluetooth-enabled device that ships with Hum is clipped to the car's visor and communicates between the Hum dongle and a dedicated Verizon mobile app. Once connected, the platform will diagnose problems with the car and offers the ability to contact nearby roadside, emergency and stolen vehicle assistance, among other features.

FULL STORY ABOUT HUM

Maybe GG should suggest the first Cadillac dealer invest in a HUM.

BTW GG, if you are around I wouldn't mind an update on your impressions of your latest CTS.

stever · December 2015

We have company right now. Our Taos friends' older Subaru is throwing a check engine light. Our Texas friend connected his phone to the OBDII and his app grabbed the codes. Could be a bad gas cap since it is an older car unless it's something else related to the evap system. His app unfortunately cannot reset the CEL. I think some cars are already able to do all this just by tabbing through the dashboard screens.

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

driver100 said:
We went to a show yesterday and saw the movie "The Big Short" which was a very clever movie that explains the economic crash of 2008, and explains how the banks defrauded America....especially the average person.

However, I digress, what I wanted to talk about was an ad that was on before the movie started.....why we have to sit through ads is another matter all together, but now I have digressed again.

I wanted to ask if anyone has used or heard about Verizon's Hum device? Here is an explanation:

Verizon Telematics, a subsidiary of the biggest US wireless carrier, has launched a new aftermarket telematics vehicle platform that gives drivers detailed information on their car's health and how to get help in the event of an emergency or car trouble.

Dubbed Hum, the $15-a-month service requires drivers to install a small dongle into their car's onboard diagnostic reader (OBD) port. Almost every car made after 1996 has an OBD.

A Bluetooth-enabled device that ships with Hum is clipped to the car's visor and communicates between the Hum dongle and a dedicated Verizon mobile app. Once connected, the platform will diagnose problems with the car and offers the ability to contact nearby roadside, emergency and stolen vehicle assistance, among other features.

FULL STORY ABOUT HUM

Maybe GG should suggest the first Cadillac dealer invest in a HUM.

BTW GG, if you are around I wouldn't mind an update on your impressions of your latest CTS.

Don't most new cars have something like that already? I know my Ford has that capability although I would never want my car talking to anyone behind my back.

Seriously though I can push some buttons on my car and get displays for vacuume pressure, intake manifold temp., transmission temp. and a dozen other functions.

abacomike · December 2015

My car monitors quite a few systems by gauges;

oil temp gauge, charging (volt) gauge, torque and expended horsepower gauge, tach gauge and speedometer.

Oil level, transmission temp and fluid level, and a myriad of other functions and systems are monitored by Mbrace (telematics) via satellite. If there is a problem, I automatically get a message on my big screen telling me what the problem is and suggested actions. It's part of my contract with Mbrace.

But quite frankly, IMHO, the more monitoring that goes on the more chance of a glitch or false reading or even a breakdown in telecommunications with the car. The more junk on a car, the higher chance of garbage in, garbage out.

Michaell · December 2015

I think the point of this new technology is to allow older vehicles to have the same level of diagnostic information as newer cars Similar to replacing the head unit of the stereo and enabling Bluetooth and satellite radio

driver100 · December 2015

Michaell said:
I think the point of this new technology is to allow older vehicles to have the same level of diagnostic information as newer cars Similar to replacing the head unit of the stereo and enabling Bluetooth and satellite radio

That's my impression Michaell. Mike and oldfarmer have new cars that can diagnose the engine. I think this is for cars built between 1996 and about 2012 to 14 depending on make.

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

driver100 said:

Michaell said:
I think the point of this new technology is to allow older vehicles to have the same level of diagnostic information as newer cars Similar to replacing the head unit of the stereo and enabling Bluetooth and satellite radio
That's my impression Michaell. Mike and oldfarmer have new cars that can diagnose the engine. I think this is for cars built between 1996 and about 2012 to 14 depending on make.

That's the nice thing about having two old clunkers. I can pass inspection with the dash lit up like Christmas.

oldfarmer50 · December 2015

Just noticed that the ads between posts are sometimes running full TV commercials. There's one on right now where some blonde fro the old 30 Rock show is sitting on some guy's back drinking orange juice while he does push ups.

Maybe that's why the system is so glitchy.

driver100 · December 2015

oldfarmer50 said:
Just noticed that the ads between posts are sometimes running full TV commercials. There's one on right now where some blonde fro the old 30 Rock show is sitting on some guy's back drinking orange juice while he does push ups.

Maybe that's why the system is so glitchy.

I think you are right oldfarmer. It seems the ads make the pages take longer to appear. Oh well, the ads pay the freight....I can live with it.

verdugo · December 2015

driver100 said:

I think you are right oldfarmer. It seems the ads make the pages take longer to appear. Oh well, the ads pay the freight....I can live with it.

What? I thought that's what dues were for.

graphicguy · December 2015

Driver....yeah, taking some time off until the NEWYEAR.

It's hard for me to believe that the '16 CTS is in any way related to the '14 version. Cadillac has done more than a new transmission and updated CUE.

The '16 is faster with a fatter torque/RPM range. I expected the shifting to be different, but not THIS different. 8 speed is smoother and more in tune with the power band of the motor. It's quicker to shift, up or down.

The engine sounds much more refined with a better snarl in the upper rev range. It "sounds" more expensive than the '14.

Handling/ride and steering is better and more refined, by a pretty significant margin. Not sure what they did, but it's clear to me that the '14 was either really all wrong, or there's been a very healthy development effort in the steering and suspension dept.

The '16 urges you to push it. The '14 dreaded to be pushed (and gave off moans, groans and steering snafus as a way to protest pushing it).

Apple Car Play makes CUE more functional and 1000% more useable and easier to operate.

In short, pretty significant delta between the '14 and '16.

driver100 · December 2015

"

graphicguy"

In short, pretty significant delta between the '14 and '16

GG, good comparison and review. Sounds like the car you expected to buy when you bought originally bought it. Now, what are your plans going forward?

bwia · December 2015

"
graphicguy" In short, pretty significant delta between the '14 and '16
GG, good comparison and review. Sounds like the car you expected to buy when you bought originally bought it. Now, what are your plans going forward?

Sounds like a no brainer to keep it at least for the four year warranty period.

graphicguy · December 2015

driver100 said:
"
graphicguy"

In short, pretty significant delta between the '14 and '16

GG, good comparison and review. Sounds like the car you expected to buy when you bought originally bought it. Now, what are your plans going forward?

Driver....BWIA....I don't know what I'm going to do. On the one hand, I'm still pretty PO'd about how I was treated by Cadillac. On the other, if I try to trade this CTS, it will certainly cost me money.

I had some time off last week and again this week. Just curious what the '16 CTS would bring on the trade market, so shopped it at the local BMW dealer. Sort of liked an X5, but really don't need an SUV. Tested a 535i, and was generally underwhelmed.

Keep seeing commercials for the Lexus "December to Remember", so probably will take a look at the IS350 F Sport, or even the GS350 F Sport today. I might even head over to the Benz dealer and take another look at the C or E.

Biggest problem I see right now, the '16 CTS is too new, and early in the model year. It's immediately going to raise some suspicions on a used lot. And, with the typical GM discounts, the other dealers don't know how to price it. I could sell it myself, but I'm going to run into the same issue that a dealer might....."why are you selling it so soon"?

Nobody is going to care about the last several months and what Caddy put me through.

Still, this CTS is now into it's 3rd model year, and I still get compliments on it (not that it matters to me).

If I fall in love with something else, and the dealer is at least reasonable, I might pull the trigger. We'll see how motivated they are for an end of year sale.

bwia · December 2015

The C300 4matic interior looks very appealing except for the 8" screen which is perched too high on the dash in my opinion. This model is selling well so discounts might be skinny.

Unless the CTS truly disgusts you like an ex-wife, it sounds like a keeper to me. Happy driving and while you are it buy a few shares of GM stock

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