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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,255
    driver100 said:


    Ironically then, the new E-Class sedan is now available with semi-autonomous driving capabilities. The optional Intelligent Drive package now includes Drive Pilot, a feature that can take over the steering, braking and accelerating in many common driving situations

    I read some speculation on another board that the hangup with certification may be due to those nanny/autonomous drive features. Govt is afraid they will cause problems.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    Yeh, the government is probably baffled....do we have rules for this kind of thing?

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,404
    Hopefully MB buyers aren't as gullible as Tesla buyers who fell for the "autopilot" toys.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,706
    I was pretty disappointed with the interior of the Fusion Sport.
    Seems like they ran out of money or something.
    The seat material looks cheap and the center stack controls are from the 2016 Fusion.
    My 2017 SE has a completely different center stack layout.

    Like Fintail, I checked the inventory of a local Benz dealer. They have 28 E class listed. 26 E300's and 2 E400 coupes. I thought maybe they are holding back the 6 cylinder models because they are selling so many CUV/SUV's and are trying to keep their CAFE numbers up.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    fintail said:
    Hopefully MB buyers aren't as gullible as Tesla buyers who fell for the "autopilot" toys.
    Those so-called auto pilot toys on MB's (also most other makes including my BMW) is a misnomer.  Take your hand(s) off the steering wheel and see what happens - it disengages the self-steer in under 8 seconds and lets out a warning signal that can't be misinterpreted as anything but, "...get your freaken hand(s) back on the darn steering wheel!"

    The auto-steer is intended only to keep the car equidistant between the two lane stripes without the driver having to manually adjust the steering input needed to accomplish that.  It requires bright road striping on both sides of the car to enable the function.  On my trip to and from Northern Florida last week, it only worked effectively at speeds under 75 mph, and even at those speeds, the brightness of the lane striping was not very visible in some stretches causing it to disengage intermittently.

    Autonomous cars, IMHO, are a long way off from being safe on high speed interstates or anywhere else, for that matter.

    The one system that I really liked was the pop-up alert suggesting a stop for a rest.  If you respond to the "take a rest" option, it pulls up the NAV and suggests optional places to stop and will use GPS to get you there once selected.  I used it on the way back and really appreciated it.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584

    I was pretty disappointed with the interior of the Fusion Sport.
    Seems like they ran out of money or something.
    The seat material looks cheap and the center stack controls are from the 2016 Fusion.
    My 2017 SE has a completely different center stack layout.

    Like Fintail, I checked the inventory of a local Benz dealer. They have 28 E class listed. 26 E300's and 2 E400 coupes. I thought maybe they are holding back the 6 cylinder models because they are selling so many CUV/SUV's and are trying to keep their CAFE numbers up.

    Might be to keep CAFE numbers up, but they had E400 6 cylinders last year. My theory is they would never be able to build enough for the US market so start to build them for 2018.

    The 4 is supposed to have all the power one needs, in the review I read it was a little noisier when idling with the window down. The 2017 E 300’s official 0 to 100 km/h time of 6.3 seconds shaves more than a second off the 2016 E 300’s time. Still, the 3.5L V6 is a smoother engine overall and some E-Class owners may not wish to ‘downgrade’ to a four The E400 6 cylinder does 0 to 60 in 5.3 seconds. I don't need that kind of power, but I like an engine that has the refinement to do that.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,567
    fintail said:

    It definitely can't be heavier than my Bluetec 4Matic, which tips the scales at over 4000 lbs. Luckily it has torque.

    I think that semi-autonomous system is the same as used in the S-class since MY 2014. There are some funny hacks for it on youtube.


    driver100 said:


    Ironically then, the new E-Class sedan is now available with semi-autonomous driving capabilities. The optional Intelligent Drive package now includes Drive Pilot, a feature that can take over the steering, braking and accelerating in many common driving situations

    Your MB Bluetec is absolutely gorgeous. Now that you've had it a while, give us a quick review of your likes and dislikes.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    MIKE: The auto-steer is intended only to keep the car equidistant between the two lane stripes without the driver having to manually adjust the steering input needed to accomplish that. It requires bright road striping on both sides of the car to enable the function.


    Every year on the trip back north we hit the highway reconstruction around Cincinnati. I-75 has 3 lanes north at this point, and they twist and turn with a cement barrier on the left and right, with pylons in places. Wide trucks trying to twist and turn with cars....not much room for even small errors. Will that auto-steering keep the car in the lanes? There are markings.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,117
    sda said:

    fintail said:

    It definitely can't be heavier than my Bluetec 4Matic, which tips the scales at over 4000 lbs. Luckily it has torque.

    I think that semi-autonomous system is the same as used in the S-class since MY 2014. There are some funny hacks for it on youtube.


    driver100 said:


    Ironically then, the new E-Class sedan is now available with semi-autonomous driving capabilities. The optional Intelligent Drive package now includes Drive Pilot, a feature that can take over the steering, braking and accelerating in many common driving situations

    Your MB Bluetec is absolutely gorgeous. Now that you've had it a while, give us a quick review of your likes and dislikes.
    SDA.....I second that! It's a beautiful car!

    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,117
    OK....you guys are going to have a field day with this.....Cadillac Customer Service just called and told me since the car was recall, they don't consider the car having issues with faulty materials and workmanship. In short, it's not faulty to have the wiring arc and cause a fire. It's not faulty to have to pull the engine to re-wire the plug wires. In short, it's not their fault, according to them.

    If this weren't so comical, I would be livid. It's their alternative truth!

    I told them they can do whatever it is they want. I'm reporting to the Ohio Attorney General (as @driver100 originally suggested) and will retain a lawyer. Don't care if I have to come out of pocket for one. This is ridiculous.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    driver100 said:

    I remember having ABS in my 92 Cavalier, it was the first year it was standard equipment. It kind of scared me the first time it actually came on, but, I think it really did work the way it should.

    My first car with ABS was a1991 Corsica, the salesman told me that since I never driven a car with ABS before I should find a nice empty parking lot the next time it snows and stomp on the brakes a few times so I know what to expect.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    driver100 said:
    MIKE: The auto-steer is intended only to keep the car equidistant between the two lane stripes without the driver having to manually adjust the steering input needed to accomplish that. It requires bright road striping on both sides of the car to enable the function.
    Every year on the trip back north we hit the highway reconstruction around Cincinnati. I-75 has 3 lanes north at this point, and they twist and turn with a cement barrier on the left and right, with pylons in places. Wide trucks trying to twist and turn with cars....not much room for even small errors. Will that auto-steering keep the car in the lanes? There are markings.
    I can't answer that question, driver, because I don't know how the car will react.  The auto-steer does keep the car within the lines even on slight curves.  But I disengage auto-steer when going through construction areas - I don't trust it in those tight situations.  I hope that answers your concerns - when in doubt, steer the car yourself - I do!   :o

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,404
    Yep. But apparently there have been Tesla incidents due to the "drivers" thinking it is fully autonomous. The name "autopilot" shouldn't be able to be used to describe such gadgets.

    There's an easy hack for the MB steering guidance - attach a water/pop bottle (with contents) to the steering wheel rim. The weight fools the car. As you probably recall, MB has also used "attention assist" for some time, with a message in the instrument cluster suggesting that the driver take a break, when the car senses it is being driven erratically.

    There's a huge list of obstacles that will prevent fully autonomous vehicles anytime in the near future. For now, a few people just get to play with fun toys.
    abacomike said:


    Those so-called auto pilot toys on MB's (also most other makes including my BMW) is a misnomer.  Take your hand(s) off the steering wheel and see what happens - it disengages the self-steer in under 8 seconds and lets out a warning signal that can't be misinterpreted as anything but, "...get your freaken hand(s) back on the darn steering wheel!"

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    suydam said:

    I like Cleveland too. Really nice city. Just don't like their winters.

    I spent two years just outside Cleveland (a bit to the east on the lake) couldn't wait to get out of there. Ended up at the end of the road in Alaska and loved it.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,404
    edited February 2017
    Thanks. I definitely still like the car.

    Pros: The engine is a gem, great color combo, good styling, balanced ride, 4Matic performed well in the single snow day we've had since, good mileage, high build quality. The prior V6 was smooth and powerful, but maybe almost too much so. I like the noise and gentle purr of the diesel.

    Cons: payment B) , color requires maintenance, , lack of surround view in post -2014 cars, same plastics issue as in a prior car (rear deck plastic expands/contracts in sunlight, making a faint but annoying noise), ICE in a car that entered production in 2009 seems old now, runflats.
    sda said:



    Your MB Bluetec is absolutely gorgeous. Now that you've had it a while, give us a quick review of your likes and dislikes.

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388

    OK....you guys are going to have a field day with this.....Cadillac Customer Service just called and told me since the car was recall, they don't consider the car having issues with faulty materials and workmanship. In short, it's not faulty to have the wiring arc and cause a fire. It's not faulty to have to pull the engine to re-wire the plug wires. In short, it's not their fault, according to them. If this weren't so comical, I would be livid. It's their alternative truth! I told them they can do whatever it is they want. I'm reporting to the Ohio Attorney General (as @driver100 originally suggested) and will retain a lawyer. Don't care if I have to come out of pocket for one. This is ridiculous.
    Obviously you are upset, GG - I sure would be!  I would only suggest that you take a 24 hour time out and revisit the issue then.

    Do you have your car back yet after the suspension issue?  If so, is it running OK?  If not, when are you expecting to have your car back?

    Lawyers are not cheap, as you know.  The Attorney General route will take a long time.  It is very obvious that Cadillac is going to fight this.  They have many more resources than you do - legally and financially.

    After the 24 hour time out, I think you will see this differently.  Take the car to your nearest dealer - the one where you decided to buy a new car - and trade it in on something you want.  I know you will never buy another Cadillac again so just move on. It's not healthy to get all stressed about this situation any longer.  Chalk this all up to a learning experience the hard way and start enjoying a new car.  

    Cadillac and its consumer relations department don't deserve one more minute of your time or attention.  Just my opinion, GG.  I truly believe you've been through the ringer and it's time to cut them loose.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,063
    That's my take too. Take some time off. Sometimes it's better just to let go and move on. That's how I feel about the sale of my house. Such an awful experience. But it's in the rear view mirror now, I'm where I want to be, and I've got a new car I really like.
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    edited February 2017
    GM seems to be its own worst enemy sometimes. This should have been handled long ago, so now they've created a dissatisfied Cadillac customer who will turn around and talk about the debacle to many people. Worse, it is their premier division they are trying to build up and compete against import luxury brands that dominate the segment. I've also found, for whatever reasons, that on the GM cars I've owned, two of the same year and type models can vary a lot from each other in reliability, build quality, etc. I just don't get it in today's high tech and social media world???
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    abacomike said:


    driver100 said:

    MIKE: The auto-steer is intended only to keep the car equidistant between the two lane stripes without the driver having to manually adjust the steering input needed to accomplish that. It requires bright road striping on both sides of the car to enable the function.


    Every year on the trip back north we hit the highway reconstruction around Cincinnati. I-75 has 3 lanes north at this point, and they twist and turn with a cement barrier on the left and right, with pylons in places. Wide trucks trying to twist and turn with cars....not much room for even small errors. Will that auto-steering keep the car in the lanes? There are markings.

    I can't answer that question, driver, because I don't know how the car will react.  The auto-steer does keep the car within the lines even on slight curves.  But I disengage auto-steer when going through construction areas - I don't trust it in those tight situations.  I hope that answers your concerns - when in doubt, steer the car yourself - I do!   :o

    "Tight situations"?

    Yep, that's where "driving dynamics" is your friend. B)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    GG said: If this weren't so comical, I would be livid. It's their alternative truth!


    Alternate truth explains it perfectly.

    When does it become a lemon and not a recall....once the car blows up?

    The AG's office should get some kind of response or they aren't upholding their own laws. I'd go public....TV stations would love to take this one on. I can just see Scott Pelley ariving at the dealers office.....Hi, I am from 60 Minutes and I hear you have a new CTS under warranty that has been sitting in your service bay for almost 2 months now, waiting for the manufacturer to design and install a wiring harness so this customer can drive around in his new car, without it self combusting! :@

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,117
    abacomike said:




    OK....you guys are going to have a field day with this.....Cadillac Customer Service just called and told me since the car was recall, they don't consider the car having issues with faulty materials and workmanship. In short, it's not faulty to have the wiring arc and cause a fire. It's not faulty to have to pull the engine to re-wire the plug wires. In short, it's not their fault, according to them.

    If this weren't so comical, I would be livid. It's their alternative truth!

    I told them they can do whatever it is they want. I'm reporting to the Ohio Attorney General (as @driver100 originally suggested) and will retain a lawyer. Don't care if I have to come out of pocket for one. This is ridiculous.

    Obviously you are upset, GG - I sure would be!  I would only suggest that you take a 24 hour time out and revisit the issue then.

    Do you have your car back yet after the suspension issue?  If so, is it running OK?  If not, when are you expecting to have your car back?

    Lawyers are not cheap, as you know.  The Attorney General route will take a long time.  It is very obvious that Cadillac is going to fight this.  They have many more resources than you do - legally and financially.

    After the 24 hour time out, I think you will see this differently.  Take the car to your nearest dealer - the one where you decided to buy a new car - and trade it in on something you want.  I know you will never buy another Cadillac again so just move on. It's not healthy to get all stressed about this situation any longer.  Chalk this all up to a learning experience the hard way and start enjoying a new car.  

    Cadillac and its consumer relations department don't deserve one more minute of your time or attention.  Just my opinion, GG.  I truly believe you've been through the ringer and it's time to cut them loose.


    Mike....the dealership still has the car. Something tells me it's going to be another "major" issue with it as they've had it since mid last week.

    I'm in a state of disbelief. I'd like to know what they consider defective materials and workmanship really are.

    I'll chalk it up.....as soon as I get an arbitration hearing, or legal representation.

    Berri....you're right. They are their own worst enemy.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    edited February 2017
    abacomike said:


    driver100 said:

    MIKE: The auto-steer is intended only to keep the car equidistant between the two lane stripes without the driver having to manually adjust the steering input needed to accomplish that. It requires bright road striping on both sides of the car to enable the function.


    Every year on the trip back north we hit the highway reconstruction around Cincinnati. I-75 has 3 lanes north at this point, and they twist and turn with a cement barrier on the left and right, with pylons in places. Wide trucks trying to twist and turn with cars....not much room for even small errors. Will that auto-steering keep the car in the lanes? There are markings.

    I can't answer that question, driver, because I don't know how the car will react.  The auto-steer does keep the car within the lines even on slight curves.  But I disengage auto-steer when going through construction areas - I don't trust it in those tight situations.  I hope that answers your concerns - when in doubt, steer the car yourself
    - I do!   :o

    I understand fully and I don't think I could let the car steer itself, or change lanes by itself, or park itself. I think it is nice if for some reason you miss something for whatever reason......you have the option of using these new devices.

    One night I did have to parallel park, I was very tired, and I used the self park feature. I used it twice in 2 years...but, it was nice to have as a back up device (pun intended).

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,669
    edited February 2017
    OK....you guys are going to have a field day with this.....Cadillac Customer Service just called adid you getnd told me since the car was recall, they don't consider the car having issues with faulty materials and workmanship. In short, it's not faulty to have the wiring arc and cause a fire. It's not faulty to have to pull the engine to re-wire the plug wires. In short, it's not their fault, according to them. If this weren't so comical, I would be livid. It's their alternative truth! I told them they can do whatever it is they want. I'm reporting to the Ohio Attorney General (as @driver100 originally suggested) and will retain a lawyer. Don't care if I have to come out of pocket for one. This is ridiculous.
    Did you get pictures of the results of the shorting and the "fire"?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,732
    GG - why don't you call this place and see what this is all about? haha. Let us know.

    https://highendautoleasing.com/details.php?id=75

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,255
    @graphicguy , I think your bigger problem is that you are beyond the 12 month ownership period for Ohio lemon law to be valid.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,575
    edited February 2017
    I agree with @driver100. GG, I know you didn't want to do this, but if I were you, I'd go to the media, a local television station's consumer advocate. They would love to take on a story like this.

    I could just see them giving a commercial teaser, "local luxury car owner's car in the dealer's service bay for two mos., undrivable because of it being a fire hazard due to manufacturer's design flaw, yet the company says it's not faulty.....details at 10."
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,931
    edited February 2017
    I think my son is definitely going to be a car guy.  we pulled up to the store today and i happened to park next to an Enclave in a very similar color to ours.  He says "Mommy's car!"   I was stunned he picked that up.  He turns three in March. 

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    tjc78 said:
    I think my son is definitely going to be a car guy.  we pulled up to the store today and i happened to park next to an Enclave in a very similar color to ours.  He says "Mommy's car!"   I was stunned he picked that up.  He turns three in March. 
    Like father, like son - isn't that great?  You sure should be proud!   ;)

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    ab348 said:

    @graphicguy , I think your bigger problem is that you are beyond the 12 month ownership period for Ohio lemon law to be valid.

    Could be a problem. has it been over a year? OTOH, the problem has been in the car since it was purchased, so was there within the 12 month period. Still worth checking with AGs office.

    That might be the reason they have kept you in a loaner...they know they can call it a recall issue. So how long can they keep a car under recall notice? I am not a lawyer but if you buy a $60k car you should be able to drive it and expect it can be repaired in a reasonable amount of time.

    I guess you can go on a TV show or tell your story to the local paper and they have to keep you in a rental car. You could see if they have a low mileage Honda or Avalon on their lot that you could swap for....to remain silent.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    tjc78 said:

    I think my son is definitely going to be a car guy.  we pulled up to the store today and i happened to park next to an Enclave in a very similar color to ours.  He says "Mommy's car!"   I was stunned he picked that up.  He turns three in March. 

    Soon he will be posting right along with the rest of us.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,255
    edited February 2017
    driver100 said:


    Could be a problem. has it been over a year? OTOH, the problem has been in the car since it was purchased, so was there within the 12 month period. Still worth checking with AGs office.

    Well, presumably every car with a problem had the problem built-in from the factory so they would all "be there" in the first 12 months even if it hadn't manifested itself yet.
    That might be the reason they have kept you in a loaner...they know they can call it a recall issue. So how long can they keep a car under recall notice? I am not a lawyer but if you buy a $60k car you should be able to drive it and expect it can be repaired in a reasonable amount of time.

    I guess you can go on a TV show or tell your story to the local paper and they have to keep you in a rental car. You could see if they have a low mileage Honda or Avalon on their lot that you could swap for....to remain silent.

    This is where we diverge. The recall was issued and GG's car was brought in at their request. It was apparently running fine; I don't recall any mention of a complaint. They put him in a CT6 and said they would keep him posted. That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable response. Whatever happened last week with putting him back in his car with whatever unresolved issues they created is another matter, but that is with the dealer.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    GG, if the dealer still has your car and there is no known date for its return to you, then I agree with moving on to legal action.  I thought you had the car back or were about to get it back.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,584
    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:


    Could be a problem. has it been over a year? OTOH, the problem has been in the car since it was purchased, so was there within the 12 month period. Still worth checking with AGs office.

    Well, presumably every car with a problem had the problem built-in from the factory so they would all "be there" in the first 12 months even if it hadn't manifested itself yet.
    That might be the reason they have kept you in a loaner...they know they can call it a recall issue. So how long can they keep a car under recall notice? I am not a lawyer but if you buy a $60k car you should be able to drive it and expect it can be repaired in a reasonable amount of time.

    I guess you can go on a TV show or tell your story to the local paper and they have to keep you in a rental car. You could see if they have a low mileage Honda or Avalon on their lot that you could swap for....to remain silent.

    This is where we diverge. The recall was issued and GG's car was brought in at their request. It was apparently running fine; I don't recall any mention of a complaint. They put him in a CT6 and said they would keep him posted. That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable response. Whatever happened last week with putting him back in his car with whatever unresolved issues they created is another matter, but that is with the dealer.



    This is where we diverge even further. Even though the car may not qualify under the Lemon Law there is probably something in law (I watch a lot of Hot Bench) that says when you buy a product you assume you will get some kind of normal use from it. This isn't even close to normal use. When his warranty is completely over they will have no responsibility to fix his faulty (I avoided the word lemon) car.

    The Lemon Law has a huge fault in it....12 months is a very short time limit for a car to be declared a lemon. By the time they fix it up a few times and give you some story the car is over the limit. A car isn't a $50 CD Player, it should be fixed within a reasonable time. If my new E400 had a similar problem I would call it a lemon too.............

    Maybe a bumper decal




    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,310

    driver100 said:

    I remember having ABS in my 92 Cavalier, it was the first year it was standard equipment. It kind of scared me the first time it actually came on, but, I think it really did work the way it should.

    My first car with ABS was a1991 Corsica, the salesman told me that since I never driven a car with ABS before I should find a nice empty parking lot the next time it snows and stomp on the brakes a few times so I know what to expect.
    My first car with ABS was a 1988 Scorpio- followed by a 1987 535is.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,117
    driver100 said:

    ab348 said:

    @graphicguy , I think your bigger problem is that you are beyond the 12 month ownership period for Ohio lemon law to be valid.

    Could be a problem. has it been over a year? OTOH, the problem has been in the car since it was purchased, so was there within the 12 month period. Still worth checking with AGs office.

    That might be the reason they have kept you in a loaner...they know they can call it a recall issue. So how long can they keep a car under recall notice? I am not a lawyer but if you buy a $60k car you should be able to drive it and expect it can be repaired in a reasonable amount of time.

    I guess you can go on a TV show or tell your story to the local paper and they have to keep you in a rental car. You could see if they have a low mileage Honda or Avalon on their lot that you could swap for....to remain silent.
    Yes...the problem was from the beginning of the car's useage. So, I believe any problems that arise from that issue is valid in Lemon Law.

    I'm through with Cadillac....regardless of what they do. I'll go to any media source who will listen. I have pics of the damage the faulty wiring caused.

    Thx!
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,310
    tjc78 said:

    I think my son is definitely going to be a car guy.  we pulled up to the store today and i happened to park next to an Enclave in a very similar color to ours.  He says "Mommy's car!"   I was stunned he picked that up.  He turns three in March. 

    At around four my son would call out "Jeep!" "Mustang!" and "Daddy Car!"(BMW)...

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,732
    driver100 said:
    Could be a problem. has it been over a year? OTOH, the problem has been in the car since it was purchased, so was there within the 12 month period. Still worth checking with AGs office.
    Well, presumably every car with a problem had the problem built-in from the factory so they would all "be there" in the first 12 months even if it hadn't manifested itself yet.
    That might be the reason they have kept you in a loaner...they know they can call it a recall issue. So how long can they keep a car under recall notice? I am not a lawyer but if you buy a $60k car you should be able to drive it and expect it can be repaired in a reasonable amount of time. I guess you can go on a TV show or tell your story to the local paper and they have to keep you in a rental car. You could see if they have a low mileage Honda or Avalon on their lot that you could swap for....to remain silent.
    This is where we diverge. The recall was issued and GG's car was brought in at their request. It was apparently running fine; I don't recall any mention of a complaint. They put him in a CT6 and said they would keep him posted. That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable response. Whatever happened last week with putting him back in his car with whatever unresolved issues they created is another matter, but that is with the dealer.
    This is where we diverge even further. Even though the car may not qualify under the Lemon Law there is probably something in law (I watch a lot of Hot Bench) that says when you buy a product you assume you will get some kind of normal use from it. This isn't even close to normal use. When his warranty is completely over they will have no responsibility to fix his faulty (I avoided the word lemon) car. The Lemon Law has a huge fault in it....12 months is a very short time limit for a car to be declared a lemon. By the time they fix it up a few times and give you some story the car is over the limit. A car isn't a $50 CD Player, it should be fixed within a reasonable time. If my new E400 had a similar problem I would call it a lemon too............. Maybe a bumper decal
    Lemon Law differs by state, but I'm pretty sure the caddy would qualify in most because it was in the shop for one problem for more than 30 days. 

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    edited February 2017
    TV or newspaper coverage makes sense, but will they do it? Is the dealership ownership (often corporate groups of different dealerships these days) buying lots of ad spots???

    As for counting on a state or county attorney general; realistically auto dealerships pay lots of taxes and often have strong lobby organizations. May or may not come into play on whether they'll pursue your matter and how hard.

    Don't mean to be a cynic, but...

    I guess if you pursue these approaches, well an old admin officer I dealt with years back sometimes used the saying "don't bet on it" (i.e. don't make it your only approach or your ace card).
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,184
    fintail said:

    Yep. But apparently there have been Tesla incidents due to the "drivers" thinking it is fully autonomous. The name "autopilot" shouldn't be able to be used to describe such gadgets.

    There's an easy hack for the MB steering guidance - attach a water/pop bottle (with contents) to the steering wheel rim. The weight fools the car. As you probably recall, MB has also used "attention assist" for some time, with a message in the instrument cluster suggesting that the driver take a break, when the car senses it is being driven erratically.

    There's a huge list of obstacles that will prevent fully autonomous vehicles anytime in the near future. For now, a few people just get to play with fun toys.


    abacomike said:


    Those so-called auto pilot toys on MB's (also most other makes including my BMW) is a misnomer.  Take your hand(s) off the steering wheel and see what happens - it disengages the self-steer in under 8 seconds and lets out a warning signal that can't be misinterpreted as anything but, "...get your freaken hand(s) back on the darn steering wheel!"

    Ha ha I wonder who was playing around to discover how to defeat their car's safety devices. That makes me wonder how there will ever be large numbers of self driving cars. Humans are very clever little monkeys and they tend to like to mess with things, sometimes with ill intent.

    What happens when the occasional malcontent figures out how to confuse or blind a passing self driver so that it goes out of control?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,404
    There's even a video of it in action in an S-Class (Mezzo Mix!):

    https://youtu.be/Kv9JYqhFV-M

    Not to mention the cars able to be hacked literally, and maybe more importantly, what will happen to revenue-based traffic enforcement when cars are programmed to obey the law. Open up your wallet!






    Ha ha I wonder who was playing around to discover how to defeat their car's safety devices. That makes me wonder how there will ever be large numbers of self driving cars. Humans are very clever little monkeys and they tend to like to mess with things, sometimes with ill intent.

    What happens when the occasional malcontent figures out how to confuse or blind a passing self driver so that it goes out of control?

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,404
    For the Caddy issue, as we all probably know (and wish we didn't), social media can get a lot of attention these days, too.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,184
    Re: GG's car.

    Even though the run of defective cars was limited, there must be other owners who got the recall and I assume went through the same outrage. Could be hundreds. Isn't recall information available during legal discovery? He might be able to work this into a class action suit.

    If they pulled this nonsense with many buyers I bet any TV station would run with it.

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  • jpp75jpp75 Member Posts: 1,535
    qbrozen said:

    Gonna throw this out to the peanut gallery, so all comers are welcome.

    UPDATE on the CTS.....BBB said they found my paperwork, and the clock starts over again at 40 days from yesterday for a resolution. IF there is no resolution, then they have to schedule an arbitration hearing. Not sure how long that will take. But, I'm pretty sure it won't be quick. Once again, Cadillac's strategy is to grind this out, and delay as much as possible.

    Dealer called today asking me to bring back the loaner as they have to re-do paperwork, or maybe swap me out for another loaner given I've had it so long. Not sure what that has to do with anything. But, I suspect the loaner is going to go away soon without a resolution in place with Cadillac.

    The dealer also said they have some, not all, of the parts needed to fix the CTS, stating with the new parts and some temporary rigging of wiring, the car can be driven. But, the engine is already out. And, if they put it back in to let me take the car, they might have to pull it out again when the rest of the parts come in. The dealer doesn't want to do that. Don't blame them. I don't want them to do that, either.

    I have some (not a lot) of time before I'm going to need another car, regardless of what resolution comes about with the CTS.

    So, as you can probably tell, I'm pretty fed up with tying up $50K-$60K into cars that for a variety of reasons, can't stay on the road.

    Here's the challenge, recommend a NEW car, sedan (required by my employer), that you would spend your OWN money for, that can be bought between $30K-$40K on. MSRP can be higher, if you can show it would actually sell between $30K-$40K. The recommendations have to have a reasonable chance of being reliable based on either EXTENSIVE personal experiences, or some sort of empirical data you can point me to.

    Seriously want to see what all of you recommend.

    Boy, that's tough. I only got one ... the S60. I see I can get a 2017 T5 FWD with tech, vision, and nav (I know you like your toys) for under $34k through Truecar. Might be less because the incentives don't seem to be working. They show $1k conquest cash for other luxo owners, including Caddy, but when I click on it, the truecar price isn't changing. Weird.

    ooohhh... even better. LWB S60 T5 Inscription Platinum with climate pack for $37k.

    Can't really help you much with reliability data other than my owner personal experience, but that's with a different generation of Volvos. Depreciation is also pretty bad, but you bought a Caddy, so that shouldn't matter.
    A bit late to the conversation here but I found the S60 to be a great driving car, one of my favorites out of everything I've driven recently. It's staying with the ex but I would have been fine with taking it. I'd definitely check out the LWB as it is a bit tight in the back, and as @qbrozen noted the depreciation curve is a more of a cliff, probably worse than a Caddy but IMO the S60 is a better car.
  • ventureventure Member Posts: 3,163

    I was pretty disappointed with the interior of the Fusion Sport.
    Seems like they ran out of money or something.
    The seat material looks cheap and the center stack controls are from the 2016 Fusion.
    My 2017 SE has a completely different center stack layout.

    Like Fintail, I checked the inventory of a local Benz dealer. They have 28 E class listed. 26 E300's and 2 E400 coupes. I thought maybe they are holding back the 6 cylinder models because they are selling so many CUV/SUV's and are trying to keep their CAFE numbers up.

    You have to add the Sport Upgrade Package to get the newer looking center stack. That includes the 2 - 4.2" LCD displays and the 8" center stack display, and the Sony 12 speaker sound system among other stuff. If you restrain yourself and don't get adaptive cruise, lane keep, BLIS, etc., you can have one for mid-30s. That's really not bad for a 325 HP, 380 lb./ft., AWD car.

    The seats being only available in dark gray, and being suede and leather, made me not interested. I'm not a suede seat guy.

    I took my Titanium out tonight and turned off the radio to listen to the squeeks and rattles. The only thing I heard was engine and tires. Couldn't find much hard plastic either except for the console top.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,849
    I love Chick-Fil-A. Sometimes during a work day (I work at home), I've actually driven to the nearest one, probably six or seven congested miles away, just because I've been hungry for one.

    jmonroe, is the Chick-Fil-A you mention the one near Robinson Town Centre? When I go to our Pittsburgh office, that's the one I eat at.
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,117
    Fintail...thanks for the support. Social media is a good tool. Thanks for the idea.

    OF...I've wondered that myself...certainly, I can't be one of one with this issue. Others have to be in the same boat. I went over to one of the Cadillac forums, and not one mention of the issue, though. Maybe those affected don't frequent that forum.

    Still, putting something out there to sniff out others with the same issue should turn up something.
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,184
    venture said:

    I was pretty disappointed with the interior of the Fusion Sport.
    Seems like they ran out of money or something.
    The seat material looks cheap and the center stack controls are from the 2016 Fusion.
    My 2017 SE has a completely different center stack layout.

    Like Fintail, I checked the inventory of a local Benz dealer. They have 28 E class listed. 26 E300's and 2 E400 coupes. I thought maybe they are holding back the 6 cylinder models because they are selling so many CUV/SUV's and are trying to keep their CAFE numbers up.

    You have to add the Sport Upgrade Package to get the newer looking center stack. That includes the 2 - 4.2" LCD displays and the 8" center stack display, and the Sony 12 speaker sound system among other stuff. If you restrain yourself and don't get adaptive cruise, lane keep, BLIS, etc., you can have one for mid-30s. That's really not bad for a 325 HP, 380 lb./ft., AWD car.

    The seats being only available in dark gray, and being suede and leather, made me not interested. I'm not a suede seat guy.

    I took my Titanium out tonight and turned off the radio to listen to the squeeks and rattles. The only thing I heard was engine and tires. Couldn't find much hard plastic either except for the console top.
    Impressive. Which engine is that?

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,184

    Fintail...thanks for the support. Social media is a good tool. Thanks for the idea.

    OF...I've wondered that myself...certainly, I can't be one of one with this issue. Others have to be in the same boat. I went over to one of the Cadillac forums, and not one mention of the issue, though. Maybe those affected don't frequent that forum.

    Still, putting something out there to sniff out others with the same issue should turn up something.

    The government agency that monitors recalls must have data on the number of people affected. Have no idea which one that is.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,484
    I'm not sure if I posted this or not, but last week somebody swerved in front of my father in law.  He then swerved to avoid the guy that was going to hit him head on (local road, slow speed) & hit a parked car with his 2013 Escape SEL 4WD.  Air bags deployed.  My father in law didn't get hurt.  The Escape had to be towed to the body shop.  Of course the guy that swerved in front of him didn't stop, so it looks like my father in law was driving down the road & hit a parked car.  

    He was pretty upset.  The cops asked him if he was drinking or texting.

    The insurance company totalled (pictured below) his Escape.  It is a 2013 SEL 4WD Escape with 60K miles.  They offered him $13,000 for it.  Does that seem reasonable?  I think so.  

    He went looking at a new 2017 Escape and liked it.  Then he went to the Subaru Dealer and is picking up a 2017 Outback 2.5i Limited on Thursday.  He wants to buy (4 years @ 0% financing).  I told him to look into leasing because of the Outback's high residual.  

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,484
    @graphicguy - You seem pretty impressed with the Accord Touring. How did it ride on those 19" Wheels? How would you compare the ride & handling of the FWD Accord Touring to the AWD Acura TLX you test drove?

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