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driver100 · July 2018

Talk about family, this was a good one....when our business this S-I-L took over was being driven into the ground , and his debts were mounting up....he asked for......get this......"an early inheritance".

Do you realize how awful that is.....I wish I had told him to get lost then, but, then I would have felt guilty. Now, I really have had enough.

abacomike · July 2018

driver100 said:

Talk about family, this was a good one....when our business this S-I-L took over was being driven into the ground , and his debts were mounting up....he asked for......get this......"an early inheritance". Do you realize how awful that is.....I wish I had told him to get lost then, but, then I would have felt guilty. Now, I really have had enough.

An “early inheritance”? The nerve of him! He’s actually saying that your money is his money - merely a slight constraint since you have to be deceased before he gets it. Besides, you are leaving your money to your children, not your SIL.

I would set up a living trust with a 3rd party as the controller with a stipulation that if any money ends up in the hands of you SIL, the remainder of the trust’s assets shall be distributed to charities.

pensfan83 · July 2018

roadburner said:
Yesterday we took the Wrangler on a short trip to a picnic. I still enjoy driving it; it cruises just fine at 65-70, but the wind noise is pretty loud. And of course fuel economy isn't that great. Still, my wife is still thinking she will get a two door JK or JL once my new job starts. She liked our 1993 Pathfinder SE and I know that the J-if not the JK- is probably at least as civilized as the Nissan. I think I've mentioned before that the only problem with the JL is the fact that it would definitely have to be ordered. Most of the dealers that I have checked either don't have any two doors or either they are all base models with no options or fully loaded Rubicons.

I'd want a 2 door Wrangler as well, not a big fan of the Unlimiteds.

stickguy · July 2018

same for me on the Jeep. 2 door only.

stickguy · July 2018

Driver, if he asked for an early inheritance, I would have told him to call his parents, see what they said. Actually, why the heck are they leasing a Mercedes for him? Buy his own car. get a job if needed.

driver100 · July 2018

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

Talk about family, this was a good one....when our business this S-I-L took over was being driven into the ground , and his debts were mounting up....he asked for......get this......"an early inheritance".

Do you realize how awful that is.....I wish I had told him to get lost then, but, then I would have felt guilty. Now, I really have had enough.

An “early inheritance”?

The nerve of him! He’s actually saying that your money is his money - merely a slight constraint since you have to be deceased before he gets it. Besides, you are leaving your money to your children, not your SIL.

I would set up a living trust with a 3rd party as the controller with a stipulation that if any money ends up in the hands of you SIL, the remainder of the trust’s assets shall be distributed to charities

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That is a good analysis of how bad saying such a thing is. The 3rd party trust idea is a good one....we did that, mainly to protect our daughter. I told our financial advisers about his early inheritance plan, and they laughed their heads off at it.

driver100 · July 2018

stickguy said:
Driver, if he asked for an early inheritance, I would have told him to call his parents, see what they said. Actually, why the heck are they leasing a Mercedes for him? Buy his own car. get a job if needed.

Stick, he has already borrowed at least $240k from his parents and they have 8 kids....I don't think they want to give him more. He could never handle a real job, he has a company but from what I can figure out his father really owns it....I guess he knows his son. His father gives him a new leased car every 3 or 4 years. He gets a generous lease allowance, and he buys what he wants....actually his wife chooses what she wants since she is the one driving it most of the time.

It is a real case of afluenza....he has been given everything in life, so he never had to earn it. At one time I thought he had a great set up being given everything....but, all it did was makes him useless.

Mr_Shiftright · July 2018

My father used to tell this wonderful story about inheritance.

When HIS father, my grandfather Federico, was about 75, (the old man was born in Italy and came here in his 20s) he gathered all 6 children together and announced; "I am very ill. I will die soon. What I will do is give everything I own to the 6 of you now, --I will sell the house, the business ( hardware store in NY), everything---and in return, I will live with each of you, for a period of 6 months, starting with the oldest child. Chances are the youngest will never have to care for me".

Well, wouldn't you know he lived to be 96---LOL!

So every Christmastime, at the big family dinner, the old man, blind, deaf, wobbly, would rise from the table, raise his glass (he could consume considerable quantities of wine and cigars) and say:

la morte mi ha tradito (Death has cheated me!)

And my dad said that one could hear, in very low muttering around the table: "Death has cheated YOU?"

jmonroe · July 2018

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
as I was reading driver100’s posts about his SIL - I would love to produce a 16 episode TV series for one of the major cable networks entitled, “Steve Finally Deals With His Son-in-Law”!

That is ingenious. Maybe the S-I-L could do some ads......like, when I take a relatives car, I always prefer to steal a Mercedes....that little GLK wasn't bad, but I'd like to get my hands on Steve's E400, unfortunately he took the keys to Florida with him.

That’s funny stuff - I’ll put those ad ideas in my proposals to HBO, SHO, STARZ, USA, etc.

While you're at it, throw in another character...a dog named Gogo.

jmonroe

xwesx · July 2018

Mr_Shiftright said:

I will live with each of you, for a period of 6 months

The gift that keeps on giving!

driver100 · July 2018

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
as I was reading driver100’s posts about his SIL - I would love to produce a 16 episode TV series for one of the major cable networks entitled, “Steve Finally Deals With His Son-in-Law”!

That is ingenious. Maybe the S-I-L could do some ads......like, when I take a relatives car, I always prefer to steal a Mercedes....that little GLK wasn't bad, but I'd like to get my hands on Steve's E400, unfortunately he took the keys to Florida with him.

That’s funny stuff - I’ll put those ad ideas in my proposals to HBO, SHO, STARZ, USA, etc.

While you're at it, throw in another character...a dog named Gogo.

jmonroe

It is Fifi.....I mean Gigi.

driver100 · July 2018

And my dad said that one could hear, in very low muttering around the table: "Death has cheated YOU?"

Whenever we spend money these days....like to go to Wimbledon, I tell my wife we are not paying for this trip.....our children are paying, it comes out of their inheritance.

oldfarmer50 · July 2018

stickguy said:
same for me on the Jeep. 2 door only.

I'd advise anyone considering a Wrangler to rent one for an extended test drive. I think many buy them for the image only to find the ride and amenities more suited to the side of a mountain.

abacomike · July 2018

driver100 said:

And my dad said that one could hear, in very low muttering around the table: "Death has cheated YOU?"
Whenever we spend money these days....like to go to Wimbledon, I tell my wife we are not paying for this trip.....our children are paying, it comes out of their inheritance.

Now I know why your SIL asked for an early inheritance - he’s afraid that there won’t be anything left after all these trips to Europe and the UK. Smart guy - but still very stupid!

abacomike · July 2018

driver100 said:

driver100 said:

as I was reading driver100’s posts about his SIL - I would love to produce a 16 episode TV series for one of the major cable networks entitled, “Steve Finally Deals With His Son-in-Law”!

That is ingenious. Maybe the S-I-L could do some ads......like, when I take a relatives car, I always prefer to steal a Mercedes....that little GLK wasn't bad, but I'd like to get my hands on Steve's E400, unfortunately he took the keys to Florida with him.

That’s funny stuff - I’ll put those ad ideas in my proposals to HBO, SHO, STARZ, USA, etc.
While you're at it, throw in another character...a dog named Gogo. jmonroe
It is Fifi.....I mean Gigi.

We know what JM means - “...the names were changed to protect the innocent...” - an old Dragnet concept!

snakeweasel · July 2018

driver100 said:

Mike, you can divorce a SIL or DIL easily. Problem is, your kid usually goes to. So have to decide what’s more important.
Here is the problem stick. 80 to 90% of people are pretty honest and decent. That is what makes civilization work. Otherwise, we couldn't leave our house, business wouldn't trust businesses to pay for goods. When you get a con man involved, he knows the buttons to push that make you believe him. If she believes him, and doesn't believe us, then she has to make her choices.....I can't force her to realize he is a con man....she has to find out, and I will try to prove it to her......then she can make the decision. All I know is I want nothing to do with him.......life is good, and he is the only negative in my life....and I want him removed. (Do you know someone who could do it?)

Be careful how you approach this with your daughter as she sees him through her eyes and experiences not yours. Many people see criticism of their spouse as criticism of themselves, sort of suggesting that they make poor choices or are to sense to know things.

Also consider that there is their side of the story and that either there is a rational explanation of why they did that or that she has rationalized his actions. so that any criticism will be met with "you just don't understand".

Finally people do know the faults of their spouses and still love them despite those faults and any complaint about them isn't going to do any good. You also have to understand that with many people they will stand by their spouse and will take the stance that if their spouse isn't welcomed then they aren't either.

I would talk with both and let them know that I was not happy with their actions and would prefer that things like that would not happen again. Doing it in a non accusatory way, then take steps to make sure it doesn't like change codes and hide keys while away. But that's just me.

In conclusion tread carefully if you want to maintain good relations with the daughter.

Good luck.

driver100 · July 2018

Mr Snake....you are a wise man. What you have said is very true. My wife was a family councilor and we had this discussion this morning. I wanted to tell our daughter what he is all about, I felt it was necessary to warn her. My beautiful and wise wife said....she is living in a fantasy world, she has her 3 children, she has a wonderful career....she loves her husband and he won't leave her because he has the life he wants. She won't believe me, and my wife doesn't want us to be responsible for ruining her fairy tale world. If it were me, I would want to know what I was married to, but, then again....the partner in the marriage doesn't want to know about those faults.

All I can do is politely say I don't want anything more to do with him. I will be civilized in public or family functions, but, other than that I want nothing to do with him.

btw.....she is the perfect victim for a con man, she is honest and naive.

driver100 · July 2018

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

And my dad said that one could hear, in very low muttering around the table: "Death has cheated YOU?"

Whenever we spend money these days....like to go to Wimbledon, I tell my wife we are not paying for this trip.....our children are paying, it comes out of their inheritance.

Now I know why your SIL asked for an early inheritance - he’s afraid that there won’t be anything left after all these trips to Europe and the UK. Smart guy - but still very stupid!

He is part of the reason I adopted my new philosophy....I am trying to stay one step ahead of him.

nyccarguy · July 2018

@jmonroe - Mazel-Tov on your anniversary! A few years ago at a family wedding, they had a dance for “all the married couples.” After a few minutes, the band asked all the couples who had been married 1 year or less to get off the dance floor, then 5, 10, 20... My parents were the last couple dancing together having been married over 40 years. It is something to be very proud of.

We’ve got to talk about 7,500 miles in your ownership period of your “new Genny.” I think it is th color. Trade that sucker in for a new Cabarnet Red V8 powered G90 and you’ll put more miles on it. Either that or convince MRS J that she needs to ditch her Legacy for a Genny of her own.

@driver100 - Steve, I can’t believe how low your piece of trash son in law stooped. I don’t envy your position at all. Unfortunately I’ve learned in my short 42 years on this earth that the right thing and the easy thing are almost never the same. You’ve put up with his crap for long enough.

@abacomike - enjoy your time with your grandson. One thing I’ve always been thankful for is the fact that I had 2 parents and 4 grandparents growing up. My kids too. There really is nothing like having a relationship with your grandparent or grandchild.

@xwex - it’s difficult enough raising kids these days in any capacity! You and your wife are doing an exemplary job. Just the fact that you both care so much in your own way speaks volumes.

graphicguy · July 2018

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball.

I don’t watch TV news except for CBS This Morning on Sunday mornings and 60 Minutes. I don’t need the rest to tell me what to think or what their opinion is. I’m capable of that on my own.

I do read a lot of newspapers and publications....(Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Chicago Tribune). Hell, I don’t even read my local paper anymore. It’s a shell of what it used to be and the only thing I need from it are sports scores, which I can find on my phone. I read a lot of business and tech pubs (Forbes, Wired, etc).

The last series I think I watched was while I was still married, 3-4 years ago. She liked to watch “Shameless” with William H Macy (who was outstanding). It’s a pretty brutally, over the top show about the foibles of an Irish family living in the south side of Chicago living most of their lives screwing up. Pretty graphic in all aspects, though. Actually, it’s a show some would find distasteful. I rather liked it, but the she loved it. Of course, she also loved the Bachelor and Bachlorette. I would watch that with her and I could feel my IQ drop every moment I watched it.

Home Run Derby was fun last night. I do like the Planet Earth Series (especially in 4K).

I am watching more and more movies in 4K in my home theater. Pretty spectacular what they’re doing with surround sound (Atmos) and picture quality these days.

houdini1 · July 2018

driver100 said:
Mr Snake....you are a wise man. What you have said is very true. My wife was a family councilor and we had this discussion this morning. I wanted to tell our daughter what he is all about, I felt it was necessary to warn her. My beautiful and wise wife said....she is living in a fantasy world, she has her 3 children, she has a wonderful career....she loves her husband and he won't leave her because he has the life he wants. She won't believe me, and my wife doesn't want us to be responsible for ruining her fairy tale world. If it were me, I would want to know what I was married to, but, then again....the partner in the marriage doesn't want to know about those faults.

All I can do is politely say I don't want anything more to do with him. I will be civilized in public or family functions, but, other than that I want nothing to do with him.

btw.....she is the perfect victim for a con man, she is honest and naive.

I like this plan much better driver. Kudos to you and your wife for handling a difficult situation.

snakeweasel · July 2018

driver100 said:

Talk about family, this was a good one....when our business this S-I-L took over was being driven into the ground , and his debts were mounting up....he asked for......get this......"an early inheritance". Do you realize how awful that is.....I wish I had told him to get lost then, but, then I would have felt guilty. Now, I really have had enough.

Early inheritance? just take out your wallet hand him $1.00 and say "enjoy".

snakeweasel · July 2018

stickguy said:

same for me on the Jeep. 2 door only.

Agreed.

snakeweasel · July 2018

oldfarmer50 said:

same for me on the Jeep. 2 door only.
I'd advise anyone considering a Wrangler to rent one for an extended test drive. I think many buy them for the image only to find the ride and amenities more suited to the side of a mountain.

I'll agree with that, it's been said many times that the Wrangler is one of the worse vehicles for paved roads but almost unbeatable off road. If I were to get one it wouldn't be a primary vehicle but one for bad snowy days or out for fun.

iluvmysephia1 · July 2018

Breaking and entering is not an 'All in the Family' right, driver100. I agree - change the locks and keys and then distance yourself from this guy even more than you probably always have been distancing yourself from him. Your daughter's relationship with him is her business - I would think she's bright enough ta know this wasn't right in any way. Family helping family is a good thing...but being extra grabby doesn't cut it and he needs a lesson taught. I sincerely hope you and your wife recover from this and try to resume a normal life as soon as humanely possible.

We're still reeling from the loss of a family member - our Pomeranian Cotey.

The house is much quieter now - especially at feeding times.

We have our son from Tucson for several more days - we enjoy his visits and we've enjoyed showing him some of southern New Mexico's outdoor delights - we're blessed to have the Sacramento Mountains just to our east to go explore and capture some of the Pacific Northwest back again. It's amazing - from the desert of Alamogordo and White Sands National Monument to Alamo and then 16 miles east up the mountain and we've got elk, deer, bobcat, cougar, bear and coyote, trees and streams and hiking trails to view them from. Ruidoso often has herds of deer hanging out downtown along with many Texans escaping the heat.

snakeweasel · July 2018

driver100 said:

Mr Snake....you are a wise man. What you have said is very true. My wife was a family councilor and we had this discussion this morning. I wanted to tell our daughter what he is all about, I felt it was necessary to warn her. My beautiful and wise wife said....she is living in a fantasy world, she has her 3 children, she has a wonderful career....she loves her husband and he won't leave her because he has the life he wants. She won't believe me, and my wife doesn't want us to be responsible for ruining her fairy tale world. If it were me, I would want to know what I was married to, but, then again....the partner in the marriage doesn't want to know about those faults. All I can do is politely say I don't want anything more to do with him. I will be civilized in public or family functions, but, other than that I want nothing to do with him. btw.....she is the perfect victim for a con man, she is honest and naive.

Me? Wise? That's not said very often.

I do hope that everything works out for you and your daughter. But remember protect you and your wife first and be there for your daughter if she needs it.

abacomike · July 2018

graphicguy said:

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball. I don’t watch TV news except for CBS This Morning on Sunday mornings and 60 Minutes. I don’t need the rest to tell me what to think or what their opinion is. I’m capable of that on my own. I do read a lot of newspapers and publications....(Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Chicago Tribune). Hell, I don’t even read my local paper anymore. It’s a shell of what it used to be and the only thing I need from it are sports scores, which I can find on my phone. I read a lot of business and tech pubs (Forbes, Wired, etc). The last series I think I watched was while I was still married, 3-4 years ago. She liked to watch “Shameless” with William H Macy (who was outstanding). It’s a pretty brutally, over the top show about the foibles of an Irish family living in the south side of Chicago living most of their lives screwing up. Pretty graphic in all aspects, though. Actually, it’s a show some would find distasteful. I rather liked it, but the she loved it. Of course, she also loved the Bachelor and Bachlorette. I would watch that with her and I could feel my IQ drop every moment I watched it. Home Run Derby was fun last night. I do like the Planet Earth Series (especially in 4K). I am watching more and more movies in 4K in my home theater. Pretty spectacular what they’re doing with surround sound (Atmos) and picture quality these days.

So, GG, if I understand your TV habits, anything with balls in It you would watch. I am beginning to wonder about you GG, worry a lot!

snakeweasel · July 2018

graphicguy said:

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball.

So all you watch is sports and ballroom dancing.

My wife watches the bachelor and now there is an even better show after it where people compete to be proposed to by someone they never met. My question is where do they find people that would degrade themselves like that?

abacomike · July 2018

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball.

So all you watch is sports and ballroom dancing.

My wife watches the bachelor and now there is an even better show after it where people compete to be proposed to by someone they never met. My question is where do they find people that would degrade themselves like that?

It’s called, “...make me an offer...”! There are people out there that will do anything for money or glory or fame. I have my limits - money is my preferred enticement. Fame or glory won’t get you anything of value,

iluvmysephia1 · July 2018

2017 Nissan Sentra
SR TURBO 4dr Sedan (1.6L 4cyl Turbo 6M)

Found this pup using the Edmunds used car search tool. This one's at a Phoenix dealer so it's a bit over 500 miles away, but it would be worth it. 6-speed manual SR Turbo with only 7,686 miles on it. 188hp - it's heading to auction soon. Humm...probably be taking the kid back to Tucson on my next 4 days off starting on Saturday morning.

Illuminated entry is kind of cool.

$13,573
Mileage:
7,686 miles
Ext. Color:
Gun Metallic
Int. Color:
Charcoal Premium Cloth
Engine:
Gas
Drive Type:
Front Wheel Drive
Transmission:
Manual
VIN#:
3N1CB7AP9HY206207
Stock#:
BB3344

My boss just bought one in Las Cruces but her's is an Altima. Same color, though. I like the lines and dimensions of the Sentra most out of all the new Nissan's.

snakeweasel · July 2018

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball.

So all you watch is sports and ballroom dancing.

My wife watches the bachelor and now there is an even better show after it where people compete to be proposed to by someone they never met. My question is where do they find people that would degrade themselves like that?

It’s called, “...make me an offer...”! There are people out there that will do anything for money or glory or fame. I have my limits - money is my preferred enticement. Fame or glory won’t get you anything of value,

Fame I don't want I like anonymity, glory should go to someone else and there is not enough money out there to get me on one of those shows.

ab348 · July 2018

snakeweasel said:
My question is where do they find people that would degrade themselves like that?

Based on the number of absurd "reality" shows on the air, it seems there is an ample supply of such people.

stickguy · July 2018

Doesn’t seem like a bad price on that Sentra. Wonder how it drives?

iluvmysephia1 · July 2018

That's what I'm wondering too, stick!

dino001 · July 2018

So I just came back from vacation in Scotland previous Sunday. A bit more than two weeks, first one I enjoyed the cities (Edinburgh, Glasgow and vicinity) then I rented a car and drove to the countryside to see their legendary landscapes. The landscapes did not disappoint, the only regret was I should have shortened my city stay and lengthen the countryside. Anyway, I drove a manual transmission Passat with the steering wheel on the right hand side, gear shifter on the left and of course I had to stay on the proper side of the roads and intersections. Here come the impressions:

First three days can be described as horror. The left side of the road and intersections were actually the least terrifying aspects, except perhaps multilane roundabouts, where I may sometimes have not been a model driver. I was honked only three times over that period, which I consider a personal triumph. HOWEVER, the vehicle width and depth perceptions was all messed up. Right is left, left is right, everything had to be relearned. And Passat is a pretty large vehicle (should have gotten a Golf or Focus). Within 30 MINUTES I hit a trash can, dislodged the passenger (right) mirror and scratched the front quarter panel. I made a mistake of picking the car in the dusk, which meant I drove it on narrow streets of Edinburgh (to get to my hotel) after dark. It was a miracle I did not hit more. So I drove my car with passenger mirror out of alignment, but fortunately I was not using multilane roads, so it didn't matter. Other things did.
Day one - terrified of every vehicle coming from the opposite lane, including Smart

Day two - terrified of trucks and buses coming
Day three - still uncomfortable with buses.

BTW, the roads there are narrow, commonly with 10 ft or so lanes and no shoulder. On those days I ended up kissing the curb many times (as you'll naturally drift away from oncoming traffic, especially if you don't have a good feel for the width of the vehicle), but fortunately the curbs were low and the tires were high enough, so it was only an uncomfortable "kick", rather than all out grinding of the rims.

By day four I generally got decent handle of it, enough not to be scared all the time. I still had sometimes uncomfortable moments, when my weak left hand couldn't feel the shifter too well on gear reductions, making me slow down too much and delay taking off on some roundabouts, but it wasn't too bad, just not too smooth. Anyway, I would still avoid driving on the left side of the road in cities and after dark, but country was alright. Overall it was exhausting, though.

On other subject - the Passat (it was a diesel, rather base version, but still some decent equipment) was OK, but its entertainment and media center was completely baffling. I could not figure out a consistent way to make it play navigation directions from my phone: one time it would do nothing, another it would silence the podcast feed, but still not say anything, another time it would actually play the directions through the speakers. For the life of me, I didn't know how to make it do it every time. It was something about streaming through the USB vs. Bluetooth, but only God and Hans knew what the exact settings were.

graphicguy · July 2018

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball.

I don’t watch TV news except for CBS This Morning on Sunday mornings and 60 Minutes. I don’t need the rest to tell me what to think or what their opinion is. I’m capable of that on my own.

I do read a lot of newspapers and publications....(Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Chicago Tribune). Hell, I don’t even read my local paper anymore. It’s a shell of what it used to be and the only thing I need from it are sports scores, which I can find on my phone. I read a lot of business and tech pubs (Forbes, Wired, etc).

The last series I think I watched was while I was still married, 3-4 years ago. She liked to watch “Shameless” with William H Macy (who was outstanding). It’s a pretty brutally, over the top show about the foibles of an Irish family living in the south side of Chicago living most of their lives screwing up. Pretty graphic in all aspects, though. Actually, it’s a show some would find distasteful. I rather liked it, but the she loved it. Of course, she also loved the Bachelor and Bachlorette. I would watch that with her and I could feel my IQ drop every moment I watched it.

Home Run Derby was fun last night. I do like the Planet Earth Series (especially in 4K).

I am watching more and more movies in 4K in my home theater. Pretty spectacular what they’re doing with surround sound (Atmos) and picture quality these days.

So, GG, if I understand your TV habits, anything with balls in It you would watch. I am beginning to wonder about you GG, worry a lot!

Mike...someone should worry about me. I certainly worry about myself.

snakeweasel · July 2018

iluvmysephia1 said:

That's what I'm wondering too, stick!

Well according to carfax it was a buyback/lemon. So I would avoid it like the plague.

roadburner · July 2018

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
same for me on the Jeep. 2 door only.
I'd advise anyone considering a Wrangler to rent one for an extended test drive. I think many buy them for the image only to find the ride and amenities more suited to the side of a mountain.

I had heard all of the "issues" with Wranglers before I bought my Sahara in 2002; I fully intended to sell it after the election. As it turned out, we all liked it so much that I sold my 1993 Pathfinder SE instead. I wouldn't recommend a TJ for long interstate jaunts, but for suburban driving they are fine.
I haven't spent any seat time in a JL, but from what I've read it has much more civilized on-road behavior while retaining the off-road capability that Wranglers are known for. As to amenities, the new JL can be equipped with a full set of Helen Keller "driver's aids" as well as LED lighting, heated seats, navigation, and a decent "premium" audio system.

stickguy · July 2018

Ah, memories of being handed the keys to a brand new Land Rover to pilot around Ireland. Highway, no problem. Little old towns and rural lanes, way too big a barge. At least that was an AT so one less thing to worry about. And built in Navi was handy. Even if it did consider goat paths usable roads. Roundabouts though, they did not bother me. Family in back seat yelling about being close to things, they get annoying.

Somehow I avoided hitting anything in 5 days. But I did get smart and not drive into Dublin.

Next time, I am getting the smallest car they have. Something like a polo, maybe an up. But with a Stick!

oldfarmer50 · July 2018

iluvmysephia1 said:

2017 Nissan Sentra
SR TURBO 4dr Sedan (1.6L 4cyl Turbo 6M)

Found this pup using the Edmunds used car search tool. This one's at a Phoenix dealer so it's a bit over 500 miles away, but it would be worth it. 6-speed manual SR Turbo with only 7,686 miles on it. 188hp - it's heading to auction soon. Humm...probably be taking the kid back to Tucson on my next 4 days off starting on Saturday morning. Illuminated entry is kind of cool.

$13,573
Mileage:
7,686 miles
Ext. Color:
Gun Metallic
Int. Color:
Charcoal Premium Cloth
Engine:
Gas
Drive Type:
Front Wheel Drive
Transmission:
Manual
VIN#:
3N1CB7AP9HY206207
Stock#:
BB3344

My boss just bought one in Las Cruces but her's is an Altima. Same color, though. I like the lines and dimensions of the Sentra most out of all the new Nissan's.

Here's a few more within 200 miles for comparison.

https://www.listingallcars.com/srp/?l=88310&d=200&co=u&yl=2017&yh=2018&m=Nissan&mo=Sentra&tt=m

oldfarmer50 · July 2018

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Regarding TV habits, I really don’t watch TV unless it’s to watch someone throwing a ball, hitting a ball, catching a ball, kicking a ball or throwing a ball.

So all you watch is sports and ballroom dancing.

My wife watches the bachelor and now there is an even better show after it where people compete to be proposed to by someone they never met. My question is where do they find people that would degrade themselves like that?

It’s called, “...make me an offer...”! There are people out there that will do anything for money or glory or fame. I have my limits - money is my preferred enticement. Fame or glory won’t get you anything of value,

Fame I don't want I like anonymity, glory should go to someone else and there is not enough money out there to get me on one of those shows.

How about those Naked and Afraid shows? Not only would they get to see your shortcomings but you'd be on display all bug-bitten and sick.

henryn · July 2018

I find myself in agreement with a lot of the posts I have just read through.

Jeep Wrangler -- I, too, would only be interested in a 2 door. And I would definitely rent one for a few days before buying.

@driver100 -- I think your wife is a very wise woman, and has given you some very good, solid advice. Glad to see you accepting it. I also understand about being very angry, and needing to vent.

@abacomike -- if you can sell your idea for a TV series to one of the networks, I will be watching!

@iluvmysephia1 -- yes, things are also quieter around my house. I had a trial visit this weekend with the really big dog that I had posted about before, the half lab half newfoundland. That did not work out well.

qbrozen · July 2018

iluvmysephia1 said:

2017 Nissan Sentra
SR TURBO 4dr Sedan (1.6L 4cyl Turbo 6M)

Found this pup using the Edmunds used car search tool. This one's at a Phoenix dealer so it's a bit over 500 miles away, but it would be worth it. 6-speed manual SR Turbo with only 7,686 miles on it. 188hp - it's heading to auction soon. Humm...probably be taking the kid back to Tucson on my next 4 days off starting on Saturday morning. Illuminated entry is kind of cool.

$13,573
Mileage:
7,686 miles
Ext. Color:
Gun Metallic
Int. Color:
Charcoal Premium Cloth
Engine:
Gas
Drive Type:
Front Wheel Drive
Transmission:
Manual
VIN#:
3N1CB7AP9HY206207
Stock#:
BB3344

My boss just bought one in Las Cruces but her's is an Altima. Same color, though. I like the lines and dimensions of the Sentra most out of all the new Nissan's.

Does their website have a carfax link? Autocheck tells me there is a "title problem" but no details. Their asking price is about $1500-$2k below auction value, so that is concerning.

driver100 · July 2018

Guys, I thank all of you for listening and to your comments about my family situation. There are some very wise people here, and your understanding of the situation has really impressed me.

Unfortunately, the situation did not end well. I wrote an email to my daughter saying there was no excuse for taking someone's car etc, and I did say the S-I-L would find his wallet, because he didn't really lose it. My wife went there today to visit, they were both there, they told her my email was rude and they don't want to talk to me any more.

I know the SIL has control over her and has told her all kinds of lies about how I cheated him, and he shut any discussion down before I could have a say. I am glad to get rid of him, I can now sleep at night, she wants to believe in him, and that is her life. She is living a lie with a big phony, but, if that is what she wants to do, that is OK with me.

My wife is taking it very hard, but, she also knows I couldn't have done anything else.
It is OK, you don't have to console me....I am OK with moving on, but, I really do appreciate your comments and excellent advice.

driver100 · July 2018

Dino, I am glad you gave your report on right hand driving. I have never felt I would want to drive on the other side of the road....way too much thinking involved, and chance for a mishap. Your story confirmed my feelings.
I noticed in London, a lot of cars have the left front wheels and discs all scraped up....I think a lot of people hit the curbs especially when parking in those tiny spaces over there.

imidazol97 · July 2018

@driver100

Then there's this:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-sb-lauderdale-fatal-mom-beating-20180716-story.html

From beautiful, sunny Ft. Lauderdale (no more freezing in the cold up North),
"ort Lauderdale woman who said she was angry about not receiving an inheritance beat her mother, who later died from her injuries, police say.

Gabriela Perero, 53, is facing charges of premeditated murder and aggravated battery on a person 65 years of age or older. She was denied bond during a court hearing Monday.

Perero told police she had been temporarily living with her 85-year-old mother, Luisa Perero, at the mother’s condo in the 600 block of Tennis Club Drive.

She said she became enraged that her siblings received an inheritance while she was caring for her mother and was left out, the police report said.

jmonroe · July 2018

driver100 said:
And my dad said that one could hear, in very low muttering around the table: "Death has cheated YOU?"

Whenever we spend money these days....like to go to Wimbledon, I tell my wife we are not paying for this trip.....our children are paying, it comes out of their inheritance.

I think I know what you mean about that.

Back in 2009 when I was thinking of getting an '09 Genny, I was in Son #1's family room discussing the car since it was just introduced and it had gotten some kind of an award. I think it was North American Car of the Year Award. Anyway after talking about it for about 15 minutes, Mrs. j jumps up and says something like, "I don't want to hear anymore about getting a new car we don't need a car" and she leaves the room putting her hands over her ears. After about and hour of talking about the cars specs from a brochure I picked up at a dealer and him looking at info online, I've pretty much convinced myself that I'm going to get one in Cabernet Read Pearl with a V8. Just have to see who has it at the right price. Like I said we discussed this car for about an hour and I remember my Son saying, "that seems like a nice car and even though the V8 cost more, there is no sense in going half way by getting the V6". Then he says, "do you really think you should be spending your grandkids inheritance like that"? Too late, I had already made up my mind. I know my Son and I know he was kidding but it was humorous to me and Mrs. j when she heard about it.

Being the grandparents of 5 (4 boys and a girl), we try to have a good time with them, which of course means spending money sometimes. We don't think we over do it but we immensely enjoy watching them have a good time with what we give them. We'd rather see them enjoy it while we can still see it because we know nothing down the road is guaranteed. For us this is the way to do it but everyone has to do it their own way and I'm sure you will have some left over for your grandchildren too.

jmonroe

abacomike · July 2018

jmonroe said:

And my dad said that one could hear, in very low muttering around the table: "Death has cheated YOU?"
Whenever we spend money these days....like to go to Wimbledon, I tell my wife we are not paying for this trip.....our children are paying, it comes out of their inheritance.
I think I know what you mean about that. Back in 2009 when I was thinking of getting an '09 Genny, I was in Son #1's family room discussing the car since it was just introduced and it had gotten some kind of an award. I think it was North American Car of the Year Award. Anyway after talking about it for about 15 minutes, Mrs. j jumps up and says something like, "I don't want to hear anymore about getting a new car we don't need a car" and she leaves the room putting her hands over her ears. After about and hour of talking about the cars specs from a brochure I picked up at a dealer and him looking at info online, I've pretty much convinced myself that I'm going to get one in Cabernet Read Pearl with a V8. Just have to see who has it at the right price. Like I said we discussed this car for about an hour and I remember my Son saying, "that seems like a nice car and even though the V8 cost more, there is no sense in going half way by getting the V6". Then he says, "do you really think you should be spending your grandkids inheritance like that"? Too late, I had already made up my mind. I know my Son and I know he was kidding but it was humorous to me and Mrs. j when she heard about it. Being the grandparents of 5 (4 boys and a girl), we try to have a good time with them, which of course means spending money sometimes. We don't think we over do it but we immensely enjoy watching them have a good time with what we give them. We'd rather see them enjoy it while we can still see it because we know nothing down the road is guaranteed. For us this is the way to do it but everyone has to do it their own way and I'm sure you will have some left over for your grandchildren too. jmonroe

I do the same thing, JM. When my son comes to see me, whether it’s with his SO or with one of his sons each August, I always pay for their airline tickets and I take them shopping one full day for clothes, shoes, and goodies. It’s my way of sharing what I have with them. We go out for dinner every night and brunch every day. We go to the movies or do something they want to do.

I give my son $100 each month to help him with his health insurance premiums and just before he leaves to go home to Palm Desert, I give him a check for a few thousand dollars because I know he needs it. He works 12+ hours every day and part of every Saturday. Why not see him and my grandchildren enjoy what I provide them rather than have him spend his inheritance when I am gone. If my surviving daughter had any kind of normal relationship with me, I would do the same for her. I have offered to pay her way down here but she refuses. Her loss, my son’ and grandsons”s gain!

Most importantly, it gives me pleasure!

I wonder how he’ll (my son) react to my 2018 S450? He will probably say, “.. enjoy the new car Dad...”!

snakeweasel · July 2018

qbrozen said:

2017 Nissan Sentra SR TURBO 4dr Sedan (1.6L 4cyl Turbo 6M) Found this pup using the Edmunds used car search tool. This one's at a Phoenix dealer so it's a bit over 500 miles away, but it would be worth it. 6-speed manual SR Turbo with only 7,686 miles on it. 188hp - it's heading to auction soon. Humm...probably be taking the kid back to Tucson on my next 4 days off starting on Saturday morning. Illuminated entry is kind of cool. $13,573 Mileage: 7,686 miles Ext. Color: Gun Metallic Int. Color: Charcoal Premium Cloth Engine: Gas Drive Type: Front Wheel Drive Transmission: Manual VIN#: 3N1CB7AP9HY206207 Stock#: BB3344 My boss just bought one in Las Cruces but her's is an Altima. Same color, though. I like the lines and dimensions of the Sentra most out of all the new Nissan's.
Does their website have a carfax link? Autocheck tells me there is a "title problem" but no details. Their asking price is about $1500-$2k below auction value, so that is concerning.

yes their website has a carfax link and as I reported it's a buyback.

https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=DEY_0&vin=3N1CB7AP9HY206207

hope the link works

dino001 · July 2018

snakeweasel said:

yes their website has a carfax link and as I reported it's a buyback.

https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=DEY_0&vin=3N1CB7AP9HY206207

hope the link works

Now you have an answer, why it's priced under the market. Original owner didn't want it, likely for a good reason and now nobody else wants it, also for a good reason. I would not even kick its tires.

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