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  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    I have to agree with BrianV, there still has not a case been made for war, Saddam is the supreme liar,but while the inspectors are still there he cannot do much.

      It is okay for Bush to rant and threaten he will not be the one in the line of fire, I am constantly reminded of the words in a song written about the conflict in my homeland Ireland,and they go like this, those who give the orders are not the ones to die, it's the Pats.and the Brians and the likes of you and I.

      Everyone is entitled to their point of view but no way can I justify the countless numbers who will die to get rid of a dictator, there has to be other ways to remove him and his hangers on.

      Besides what about after he is gone,and who will replace him,if the mess in Afganistan is anything to go by not enough thought has been given to after, the people in Afgnistan are just as bad off as they were with the Taliban despite assurances to the contrary.

      Cheers Pat.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    juice: Yes, the OB I'm renting has the whole CWP. It's very nice in this weather!

    brianV: I'm up in the Fort Collins/Loveland area. I heard it was 70 degrees just a week ago. Talk about timing!

    Ken
  • ffsteveffsteve Member Posts: 243
    Thanks for the different perspectives! I gain new ways of thinking here every day.

    I won't debate the definition of a glider, but I think that the shuttle wings do generate lift, otherwise it would fall like the brick it is often compared to. The lift generated simply does not (can not?) be much compared to its own weight.

    A glider can generate more lift by gaining speed. But this is done by aiming lower towards the ground and letting gravity do the work. Can the additional lift gained in this way overcome the loss of altitude caused by flying lower? In the long run it simply cannot, otherwise we would have a version of a flying perpetual motion machine that gains altitude by diving towards the ground. A glider gains altitude by finding rising currents of air, either thermal updrafts or by a rising flow of air over a ridge, or range of mountains. Other wise it is losing (an average of) a foot for every 30 feet flown.

    I'm not a pilot, glider or otherwise, but I do fly model gliders so I think I'm aware of the basics. But there is so much more to learn! If I'm not stating this correctly, please let me know (but I still won't accept a perpetual flying machine).

    Regards to all,
    Steve
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    nosing down to gain airspeed can put the craft back over minimum stall speed, perhaps even fast enough to climb briefly. But gravity will catch up sooner or later.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Sounds right to me!

    The Navy is experimenting with perpetual motion undersea drones, that use buoyancy and various mechanical and hydrodynamic tricks to swim around pretty much indefinitely. As the craft rises and falls, various control surfaces convert some of the vertical motion into forward motion. I think there are small batteries for instrumentation and basic computer control, but that's it. Pretty cool stuff. I wish I could find the article that describes it all!

    Craig
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Your comments remind me of an exchange in the fourth installment of my favorite programs, "The Black Adder," set in WWI France. I don't recall the quote exactly but it went along the lines of "the Field Marshal is about to have 10,000 men go over the top and be killed so he can move his liquor cabinet six inches closer to Berlin." Later when the Field Marshal and lesser officers tell Blackadder they're behind him in his push, he replies "yes I know, about thirty-five miles behind."

    Always the spoils to the wealthy while the working class takes the bullet. Maybe not true in the American Revolution but in every war since.

    Sadly,
    Ed
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    There is a certain irony in just having reread the Richard Feynmann account of the investigation of the Challenger disaster. The engineers estimated risk of failure at about 1 in 100, the administrators at about 1 in 10,000. Guess who is right.

    The impact of the Columbia failure has echoed around the world displacing local Australian news since it occurred. Coincidentally it followed a local train crash which killed seven but somehow, the image of astronauts/explorers risking their lives to push the bounds of knowledge, is a bigger tug at the heart. I now sort of understand the public upswellings of emotion over lost explorers; Livingstone (found) in Africa, Burke and Wills here in Australia, Franklin in the Arctic, Scott in the Arctic. I guess there are similar names in American exploration but somehow I think your astronauts will be the ones remembered.

    Oddly, from the other side of the world, the catastrophe has a local angle. One of the experiments being undertaken on-board Columbia was an experiment in spider web strength being co-authored by a local finalising his doctorate in Materials Science and kids from the local high school. They were all waiting for the eight golden orb spiders to return so they could determine the tensile behaviour of spider silk produced under zero-g conditions. Apparently the experiment was going well and as predicted.
    Poor kids are understandably upset, having seen the whole thing through over about 4 years and been there to see the launch. Wonder what happens to a PhD when your critical experiment is destroyed?

    Thinking of the sadness in so many hearts

    Cheers

    Graham
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Someone has to be the Chief and someone has to be the Indians. That is how life is. I know everyone wants to be the Chief and no one wants to be the Indians.... Such is life.

    -mike
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    The Crew - shuttle
    The Students - avalanche
    The Passengers - train

    coincidence?

    -Dave
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I thought good things came in threes.

    -juice
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    Anyone see over at the media subaru site that Lance Armstong is the new celebrity spokesperson for Subaru? Commercials soon. Awesome. What a classy and significant individual for SOA to get.

    PS, yes like many of you I'm a bike rider.

    TWRX
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Makes me want to hop on my bike and take my toddler for a ride right now.

    Good choice.

    -juice
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Buon Compleano!!!

    A paisan size Happy Birthday and many more! :D

    -Dave
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    Happy Birthday! I'm tomorrow :).

    Jim
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Happy birthday, you too Jimmy for tomorrow.

      Cheers Pat.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    My birthday was two days ago.

    Bob
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Bob-
    Happy 48th?
    Jim-
    Happy 36th?

    ;-)

    -Dave
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    add 10 to that number. :)

    Bob
  • jay_24jay_24 Member Posts: 536
    What outback models came with the limited slip rear diffy? I seem to recall 2001 automatics did but manuals didn't. Edmunds seems to list all come standard with it (rear LSD).

    Reason I ask is a subie was stuck in a snow bank this morning, one front and one rear wheel spinning. Or maybe no rear wheel spinning? My co-worker saw that one rear wasn't spinning so we assume the other was.

    1/2hour later the subie was out an a Jeep GC was in the same spot but needed a tow truck to get out. Not sure how the subie got out, but only the front wheels were in the deep snow. The Jeep was burried.

    --jay
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Holy cow pretty soon you'll qualify for senior discounts! ;-)

    Happy B-day folks. Anyone get a gift certificate for Bob Bondurant?

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    << Holy cow pretty soon you'll qualify for senior discounts! ;-) >>

    Everything is relative... and speaking of relative(s): I spoke to my aunt yesterday, who is 89. She still thinks of me, and my cousins, as a "children." :)

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Car guys are kids at heart. How else can you explain the drooling over the STi?

    I was humbled when my daughter told me I have no hair the other day. Ouch.

    -juice
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    Steve - The shuttle's wings do generate lift, of course, but its glide ratio is so poor that it is essentially incapable of climbing out (much anyway), despite its enormous airspeed.

    A glider's glide ratio is typically in the area of 20:1 or better, if memory serves correctly. So for every foot of altitude lost, it moves forward 20 feet. That glide ratio enables it to climb in a thermal, since it doesn't take much energy input to allow it to climb.

    It seems to me that my father's single-engine Piper has a glide ratio of about 10:1. Jets, especially supersonic ones, generally do a lot worse - the Shuttle is an extreme example (hypersonic) of the latter case.

    The shuttle's final approach is about 10x steeper than a typical jet airliner's. It doesn't glide so much as "fall with style", to quote Toy Story.

    Don't mean to split hairs here, the discussion's been fun... :)
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    I can't speak for the whole line, but with respect to the Forester, the LSD was first made standard on the 2000 'S' model, if I'm not mistaken. It has not been available on the L, now the X, but continues to be standard equipment on the XS.

    Hope this helps,

    -brianV
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    LSD was part of the "All Weather Package" in 2000 Outbacks. AWP was included on Limiteds but was optional on base models in 2000. It became standard equipment on all models from 2001 onward. My dad's 2000 Outback does not have the rear LSD, so it would spin one front and one back wheel in a worst case scenario.

    Happy birthday to all!

    Craig
  • hammersleyhammersley Member Posts: 684
    I have the heart of a child, and the hairline of an old man. The truth falls somewhere in between.

    The shuttle gliding to landing is all about energy - giving back all that which it gained during liftoff, and the management of that finite amount. By the time it's "wheels stop", it's all gone, either by way of motion, heat, or some other form.

    Landing speeds are in the 205-210 knots range, IIRC, which is substantially faster than an equivalent airplane.

    Cheers!
    Paul
    (former space junkie)
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    Bob
    Mike
    Jim

    Greg
  • ffsteveffsteve Member Posts: 243
    Agreed! I think we all contributed, I know that I learned from all.

    Thanks.
    Steve
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    how about a compromise ...
    can we refer to the shuttle as ... "aircraft"? ...
    seriously, I've enjoyed the discussion as well ...
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    but how can we consider it an AIRcraft when there is little to no air in space??? Spaircraft?? :)

    Greg
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Birthday to Bob, Mike & Jim.

    I too enjoyed the philosophical discussions about flight. I think we should call the shuttle 'unique' and leave it at that!

    In memory of happier times I put an enlarged copy of the photo I took from a roof top along the coast south of Canaveral the morning of April 12, 1981 on my office door. It is little more than a glowing dot with a trail of smoke, but the excitement and pride I felt is what I want to remember.

    Steve
  • hammersleyhammersley Member Posts: 684
    Did the screen fonts change, or is it me?
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    again ...
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    You can add me to the list...tomorrow, I'll be 53 years young, and on the 15th, Michael will be 13.
    Happy birthday to all you young and old Subie farts (j/k)!!!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    All these February birthdays! Is this another Subie claim-to-fame?

    Happy birthday Serge! BTW, my son's birthday is on the 11th. He'll be 24.

    Bob
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    don't forget me .. my birthday ... oh wait .. it's not til May ...
    n/m .. <emily lutella voice>
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    or is it Emily? Having a "senior moment," are we? ;)

    Bob
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    I'll be out all day tomorrow, so thanks in advance! Dave, you were close, I'll be 34 tomorrow (Thursday). Have a fun chat, I won't be in until that's long past done.

    Jim
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    >>Having a "senior moment," are we? <<
    .... depends ....
  • hammersleyhammersley Member Posts: 684
    Brenda... maybe I really am you! What day in May?

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    May 7 ... another Taurus?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Bob and Jim! Great people are born in Feb :)

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hey guys, over on the Isuzu Trooper (in SUV section) there is a very interesting discussion for the past 2 days about rear LSD and deflating a full size tire when putting on a donut to prevent extra wear on the LSD. I just wanted to invite anyone over who might be interested/have some input.

    -mike
  • hammersleyhammersley Member Posts: 684
    Cinco de Mayo here... close enough!

    Cheers!
    Paul

    (and the fonts changed back again, didn't they?)
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    Happy B-day!!!

    rsholland
    paisan
    jimmyp1
    serge

    Thank goodness for cyber cake! No calories. :-)

    KarenS/Host....celebrating a 10 pound loss!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Way to go Karen!

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'll check it out, mike.

    Maybe we'll add "born in February" to the list of demographics. Daves and Mikes that use Macs, own pets, teach, favorite color blue, favorite numbers 555, etc.

    -juice
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    They've introduced a recurring javascript error on virtually every page.

    I use IE 5.0 under Win2000.

    Moderately annoying...

    Edmunds, did you guys do any compatiblity testing before rolling out your new code ?

    -brianV
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    I've been wanting to get down to my ballet-weight(well, maybe not THAT thin), but being married to a meat/potatoes/beer kind of guy, it hasn't been easy. Since he found out he's hypertensive, everything has changed. And he is actually beginning to like grilled fish and veggies! :-)
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'm down about 40 pounds from this time last year. 20&#150;25 to go...

    Bob
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