Subaru Crew - Meet The Members II

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    If Juice has a nanny, does that make him a goat? At 35, he's hardly old enough to qualify though.

    Steve, Host
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    juice = goat! lol!

    Boy, rough crowd around here this morning. We're just getting up, but you guys should have had enough coffee by now...

    :)

    -brianV
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We sort of consider our nanny an aunt, if you will. The grandsons are close in age to my kids, so they're like "cousins".

    Gotta see if I can talk them into using the name "Dave"...LOL

    Rode to the airport today to pick up my folks in my sister's Forester. They had 4 suitcases, plus she had some Xmas gifts in the cargo hold. No problem squeezing us all in.

    Oh, and at 6" I fit in the back, no problem. My sister is short so I had abundant extra leg room.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    But would you have fit so comfortably with a Juice-size occupant in the front seat? ;-)

    I'm really conflicted on the subject of whether the Forester's rear legroom is sufficient. Another inch or so would certainly be nice but not if they have to stretch the overall length to acheive it. I'm suppose I’m fairly satisfied with the current setup where I sacrifice a little front legroom on those infrequent occasions when I'm transporting someone in the back.

    -Frank P.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    We've had 5 in our Forester, and it was tight but manageable. Only an 1-hour trip each way. I'm sure the three in the backseat go to know each other well! (I was lucky to be the driver). Took the same crowd in my Dad's Outback, and it was definitely more comfortable, though.

    Craig
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Even 3 adults in the back of an OB is hard for anything over 2 hours. Or so my wife says, I don't know as I was in the front passenger seat.

    Mark
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I went to lunch with a co-worker the other day in her brand-new Highlander (nice vehicle BTW). She parked in a parking lot space facing the street. When it was time to go she was having difficulty backing out so I suggested she just drive forward off an approx 4-inch curb. She was horrified by the suggestion as she didn’t want to damage her new toy. All my explanations about how the Highlander (being a quasi-SUV) could easily handle such a minor task fell on deaf ears. For me, this just highlighted how the overwhelming number of SUV owners have no intention of ever venturing off a paved road. What a waste!

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If you have 2 people over 6' tall, you might have to really squeeze. But even then, put them on opposites sides. So really only if you have three 6 plus footers, which is rare.

    Maybe if you're driving Shaq and Kobe somewhere (probably court, LOL), but how often does that happen? :o)

    Note the double meaning of the word "court"...

    While we're on the topic of Hoops, how 'bout them Terps beating the #1 team in the nation?

    -juice

    PS Got my tix to Detroit, it's official!
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    I would have driven my OB over that curb!

    Congrats Juice. Take lots of pics. I really want feedback on the new Legacy.

    Greg
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    >>Oh, and at 6" I fit in the back, no problem. My sister is short so I had abundant extra leg room.<<

    OMG juice I didn't KNOW you were a miniature !!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Rats, too late to edit. Fast fingers got me again!

    -juice
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    The Brazilian leprechaun :-)

      Cheers Pat.
  • jlemolejlemole Member Posts: 345
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    is actually a bobblehead.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Yea....I finally did it. Can I just say I hate when salesmen right with? Especially when I am the one who has to tell him he's getting a Legacy Turbo. In April. Debuting next month. In Detroit.

    "So how do you feel about the Saabaru...oh never mind."

    Neways, the XT.

    After I tamed the auto climate beast, we got on down the road. This car feels higher than the Outback, but the seats are more comfortable and my tooshie was warm.

    Powaaa. Dayum. This car really pulls; too bad about the gearing though, it is a little loud at highway speeds. But it is fast, I'll give you that. It certainly does not feel as tossable as a WRX, and although it has a more tractable powerband, I found it less confident to drive near the limit, no thanks in part to the useless dead weight in the passenger seat. He wanted to make sure I understood the car was AWD.
      While learning that gosh, it has a 6 CD changer and a long travel suspension, I appreciated the fairly quick steering reponse, although I found it a bit disconnected. This isn't entirely fair though, since my car is reaally dialed in.

    I think the FXT has great potential. No doubt in my mind that a plus one tire upgrade and maybe those Cobb swaybars would make it a very tossable little ute. But, and it is a big one, at that point you may have spent what the new Legacy Turbo is going to cost.

    No help on my fence position, then. WRX let down by lag, FXT needs new shoes right away, although I would prolly spend that on a WRX too. I feel the WRX wagon has a slight edge out of the box, simply because its suspension feels a lot more ready to play stock for stock. Then again, there is tons more practical space in the FXT. Maybe
    I need to revisit just how much used Miatas are, get a cheap one, and autocross THAT without remorse.
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    About time Loosh! ;-) This on-the-fence thing isn't that bad, is it?

    With your work, I'd think the FXT (hadn't seen it referred to that before) would be welcome, especially with the extra cargo room. Tires and a sway will likely do it good, but you should check out the 'other' forums to see if someone already has done it and what their impressions are.

    -Brian
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    The Cobb bars are brand new. People report improvements with a plus one, but I take it with a grain of salt, because the typical Forester owner's idea of handling and my idea of handling are probably somewhat divergent. Lark6 is the only one I know has autocrossed a Forester, so him I trust. And Juice flings a Miata around on a regular basis too. Well okay Peaty is as ex-2.5RS guy, so he knows a thing or 2 also.
  • hammersleyhammersley Member Posts: 684
    (Shameless plug here)
    How 'bout them Bulldogs beating the #4 team in the country?

    GO ZAGS!
    Cheers!
    Paul
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    http://www.need-desire.com/index.html

    Maybe time to come down from the fence. The suspense on pricing is killing me!
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I love driving my wife's Forester (an XS) but it's nowhere close to the WRX for handling. You could spend a lot of money on suspension mods and the Forester would still be in a different league. It's just got a different mission than the WRX from the wheels on up.

    I went for a long drive in my WRX today, touring coastal VA. Saw some great scenery. It's neat to be cruising through woods and farmland one minute (looks like Vermont!) and then see marshes and the Chesepeake Bay the next minute. I was actually looking for a seafood restaurant I had seen on Food TV, but couldn't find it. Had to settle for a burger....

    I was really amazed how comfortable the driver's seat was. I was in the car for three hours straight for one clip, and got out feeling great. All my other cars would have left me feeling sore or cramped up. The seats on the 02-03 WRX are about the best I've sat in.

    Craig
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    There's a restaurant in Williamsburg called The Whaling Company ... it's a WONDERFUL place to eat!
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    Thanks to everyone for the caring messages when my dad went into the hospital and throughout ... he went in on Nov 3 and went home finally yesterday ... I spoke to them tonight and he sounds good for someone who was so sick ... he's not totally recovered yet, but he is soooo glad to be at home ...
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    loosh - thanks for the link...I think. (The desire part is already starting!)

    Brenda - glad to hear your dad's home and on the road to recovery.

    Jim
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    goes to my daily philosophy, I think it's safe to say I have crossed over to "need." :-))

    We'll see how the bank account feels about it 1/5/04. ;-)
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    I cannot see anything but a black screen with that link, same with Bob's post over in future models.

      Cheers Pat.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    It is a flash animation "teaser site," and could take a while to load
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It works for me?!

    The screen is black, for a moment or so while it's loading. Are you on a slow Internet connection?

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I believe Pat is on dialup. They should've put a % loading meter while it's caching.

    -c
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Actually I am on broadband supposidly high speed .

    Cheers Pat.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Working guys I left it for 5 Minutes and all I get is the black screen and a note in the bottom left hand corner saying done.

      Cheers Pat.
  • fibber1fibber1 Member Posts: 12
    The last few days were a whirlwind. We flew from Nanchang to Guangzhou, did all of the US Consulate stuff, some shopping, and prepared to say 'goodbye' to our kids mother country.

    Ground transportation problems, flight delays, etc., all conspired against us and cut into any layover sleep time we might have enjoyed. So the three flights (Guangzhou to Hong Kong to Tokyo to NY) sort of merged into one long 30+ hour nightmare with overtired kids. First the baby, then Emily had major meltdowns somewhere over the Artic Circle. So if the tides suddenly rose and flooded your coastal town, you can blame us!!!

    For two days everyones clock was totally screwed, with long, sleepless nights. We are only just starting to feel human again. But we made it!! And we have one hell of a prize to show for our efforts. We celebrated Anne's first birthday yesterday in low keyed fashion, her second day as an American Citizen, She is a wonder - smiles and giggles the majority of the time.

    So ends our journey. This week we have some legal and medical stuff to attend to.

    BTY, it was fun driving the Subi in the snow this morning!

    Juice, did you ever get my e-mail with intersecting sleepers?

    Steve
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    so glad to hear you are all home safely ... and seemingly sane ..
    Congratulations to you all ..
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Cool Steve! I've really enjoyed reading your reports.

    Craig
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Kung Hey Kung Hey Lei
    Foon Yeng Lei Fahn Lay :D

    Translation:
    Congratulations
    Welcome Back

    :D

    -Dave
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    Steve - Congrats. Hey, the long nightmare of a flight gives you a story to tell when your bundle of joy is older. I am very happy for you, Beth and Emily.

    Brenda - great to hear your father is finally home. That's what it's all about. Will you see him for the holidays?

    Greg
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    I'm planning to go just after Christmas and stay awhile ... I also have that granddaughter near them who was born on 9/30 that I haven't seen yet!!
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Loosh: Thanks for sharing the FXT review. I also thought the FXT could use a little firmer suspension and definetly better shoes on my test drive too.

    Oh, and that teaser website! Thanks.

    Steve: Welcome back from your journey! What an amazing experience!

    Ken
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    juice, Bob:

    My brother and I are planning on flying out for the Detroit Auto show!

    When will you guys be there? We MUST hook up!!

    Ken
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    welcome back. Those long flights are an ordeal. But you're home! Once you re-adjust to the EST you're all back to normal.

    Congrats to the whole family.

    Jim
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Glad you are all safe and sound.
  • damish003damish003 Member Posts: 303
    Brenda - Glad your Dad's back home and being taken car of.

    Steve - Welcome back!

    A brief update to the crunched 04 OBS. The other insurance company is NOT going to total it. Full repairs, including labor of course, come to just over 10k. I've been given to understand by the collision shop that since nobody has a clue to salvage value on this car, that the decision to total the car is a lot of guess work. Apparently, they would rather make the repairs. Looks like 5k parts, 5k labor. Won't get the car back till mid-January, what with the part ordering and the short holiday weeks. Everything is guaranteed for life, and I've had VERY good experiences with this company before, so I'm really not worried about the repair. I just want the car back. I'll update as we go.

    -Dan-
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Very good review, Loosh. I took went on my first solo test drive this past Saturday (first was with my wife and lark6).
    After the drive a complained about the lack of turbo lag. :-D You really have to go easy on the pedal for low-speed driving.

    The WRX shines in the handling dept., but the FXT screams more practicality. Seats aren't quite as snug as the 02/03 WRX.

    Craig - I agree on the seat comfort. I put 2,000 miles on my WRX wagon on a summer trip. I couldn't believe how fine I felt during the trip (not as achy as the past in the OBS).

    Steve - Welcome back!!

    -Dennis
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    As you recall. I was all set to buy a new WRX wagon (pricing at fitzmall around $22k). Then I figured I'd better test drive a Forester XT, which has a great powerplant and a stengthened 5MT. More creature comfort too, but it is going to need 17" rims and swaybar upgrades to make me as happy as I am with my current rig. Then I started thinking "well, THAT'S $23.3k for the XT plus a couple grand for wheels and tires and sway bars and now we're in possible Legacy Turbo Wagon territory, so I just need to wait and see."

    So then all of a sudden here's me contemplating almost $27k for a new car!! C'mon! I back away from it all, get away from being wrapped up in that spiralling way of thinking, and remember that $22k for a new WRX wagon leaves $4k for other things in life, like a cool vacation or a new deck. So it's a daily struggle between need and desire here in Lucien's brain this week. :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Much as I love the XT, DA-HA-HAAAAAM, that Legacy's silhouette looks sexy. Chris Bangle should be taking notes!

    Most handsome Subaru sedan ever.

    Argh, must resist temptation to go with a sedan over a wagon, what am I thinking? We need more space, not less!

    Miata is a fun handler, but my Forester is fun in its own way. I have 16"s and an 18mm sway, that's it. There is relatively more roll, dive, and squat, but in a way, that's fun, I can approach the limits more easily. I've spun the Miata once, nearly a 2nd time (tires - could not possibly blame my skills LOL).

    I've had many, many more controlled slides in the Forester (usually in rain or snow). The Miata is knife-edged handling, get it right and it's great, but it's much harder to get there, and even then let off the gas and you'll spin. The Forester is forgiving, the Miata ain't.

    Steve: I'll check my e-mail now, that's my 2nd e-mail addy so I don't read it as often.

    Congrats. So when is the official Gotcha Day, is it when you arrive in the USA, or the day you picked her up? I gotta learn the etiquette. :o)

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    not that it was a hard title to win, but IMO it's easily the most handsome subaru ever.

    :)

    -c
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's actually too good looking. Where are the quirks in the styling? Is this a true Subaru?

    First goal in my quest will be to pop the hood and look for the boxer engine and AWD system. ;-)

    It's almost as if they hired the guy who used to style Bimmers, pre-Bangle. LOL

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Glad you caught yourself. Very often, I find myself going in for option A and coming out with the more expensive option B (or C). It's like my internal sales-weasel upsells my logic.

    So let me throw some more insanity at you. If you got a WRX, you'd likely want to upgrade the tires and wheels on that as well. It pretty much cries out for 17" wheels and tires visially and for handling, and it's a great upgrade. My WRX feels much more secure at speed on 17" rubber. At minimum, you'd spend $1200-1500 on that. Some other WRX must haves:

    Kartboy shifter bushings $35
    Prodrive Axleback $400

    So, I can see adding $2000 in mods to your WRX. Where does that put you?

    Craig
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    Steve: Welcome home, fibber family! I can only imagine the joy you are experiencing this holiday season. :-)

    Brenda: Glad to hear your dad is home and doing better. My father unexpectedly passed away two years ago on 12/22. So this time of year brings a measure of sadness to our family. Have a good visit and cherish your time together!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ken: that's really cool.

    Bob and I will be there January 6-8. Public days only start on the 10th, so I doubt our stays will overlap.

    Still, we always miss something. It's great to have someone follow-up for us. You'll recall that paisan played that roll for the Crew at the 2002 New York auto show. He got pics of several things we had missed.

    So, it's all good. We'll get you a list. :-)

    -juice
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    You're making me dizzy with all this switching, I can't keep up, you must driving your wife nuts, If this were me Rita would have beat me to death by now with a wet noodle :-)

       Cheers Pat.
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