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snakeweasel · November 2019

ab348 said:
I understand that Volo is more of a consignment shop than a museum - I gather everything is for sale, and not everything is museum-quality - but can still be entertaining to browse.

Well it's more of a collection open to the public. And while they do sell cars not all are for sale.

houdini2 · November 2019

imidazol97 said:
I don't put a lot of food scraps into the waste line. They go in the garbage sack. I can only imagine the food waste rotting in the sewer line water and having to be further broken down by the sewage treatment plant, hopefully, before it's returned to the waterways. I consider it Earth friendly to just put it into the garbage.

We just eat most everything on our plates and then fight with the dog to see who gets to lick them clean.

driver100 · November 2019

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

If it makes you feel any better my 1995 Lincoln had a similar shudder. It involved the torque converter. Common problem on the Mark VIII. Solution was the same, change the fluid. In my case I also had them add a quart of a product called Lube Guard. Shudder gone and stayed away for the 40k miles I owned the car.
This isn't much different. GM replaced a lot of torque converters on these under warranty at first until they realized that wasn't the problem. The fix is a new kind of synthetic Mobil 1 transmission fluid that apparently is ridiculously expensive (I was told the fluid itself is worth $300) and requires a very specific and complex flush/refill procedure using specialized equipment. So far it seems to be the fix.

So, do you have to replace that very expensive transmission fluid one day?
Cars are so complex these days...you don't want to have these kind of troubles.
They should be able to make cars so they don't shudder and they aren't sure why.
And, though I might not be knowledgeable about mechanical things like transmissions, how do they fix it by using better fluid....sounds kind of like a band aid fix to me. Like adding that radiator stuff to a leaking radiator...not exactly rocket science.

driver100 · November 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
driver100 said:

“Maybe you need to attach one to the bathroom drain.”

You mean like this guy did?

That is hilarious....and not a bad idea...using a garbage disposal to shred salads.
How could you ever remember that scene?

driver100 · November 2019

houdini2 said:

imidazol97 said:
I don't put a lot of food scraps into the waste line. They go in the garbage sack. I can only imagine the food waste rotting in the sewer line water and having to be further broken down by the sewage treatment plant, hopefully, before it's returned to the waterways. I consider it Earth friendly to just put it into the garbage.
We just eat most everything on our plates and then fight with the dog to see who gets to lick them clean.

If you think about it....it is probably going to end up in the sewer line anyway.

ab348 · November 2019

driver100 said:

They should be able to make cars so they don't shudder and they aren't sure why.
And, though I might not be knowledgeable about mechanical things like transmissions, how do they fix it by using better fluid....sounds kind of like a band aid fix to me. Like adding that radiator stuff to a leaking radiator...not exactly rocket science.

This is the best explanation I've found of how these (and most modern transmissions) operate:

The magic of these transmissions is precision control of multiple clutch packs where ranges are selected by extremely precise timing of applying and releasing different clutch packs with near zero slippage and perfect timing that assures that two ranges are not commanded simultaneously even for an instant. This type of system wasn't practical until very fast and capable controllers were married with high precision measurement of the various transmission shaft speeds and prior to that we had "dumb" automatics that relied upon far less precise mechanical controls and designed in slippage to make up for the lack of precision during shifts which could otherwise result in having parts blow out the side of the case.

stickguy · November 2019

driver, I think that part of the problem is the focus on eking out every ounce of MPG. so components get more complicated, and a lot of the drive-ability issues like shuddering are related to running up to a high gear ASAP and not downshifting if possible. Basically the car lugs around. In the old days, they were designed to drive better not maximize mileage.

houdini2 · November 2019

driver100 said:

houdini2 said:

imidazol97 said:
I don't put a lot of food scraps into the waste line. They go in the garbage sack. I can only imagine the food waste rotting in the sewer line water and having to be further broken down by the sewage treatment plant, hopefully, before it's returned to the waterways. I consider it Earth friendly to just put it into the garbage.
We just eat most everything on our plates and then fight with the dog to see who gets to lick them clean.
If you think about it....it is probably going to end up in the sewer line anyway.

Sewer lines? Sounds mighty fancy. I don't think our outhouse has any newfangled sewer lines. I'll have to ask Jethro.

jmonroe1 · November 2019

tjc78 said:
I try to not use our disposal too much, I typically scrape the dishes as well.

There may also be a furry friend that gets that duty too!

IMO if you are going to use one to grind up food/bones routinely get a top of the line 1 HP model that makes the particles as small as possible to minimize impact on the sewer line. Our sink is in a corner cabinet and although the cabinet is big the opening isn't large so I went with a fairly compact disposal. It doesn't like bones and isn't great with citrus peels. Grinding up a lemon peel once in awhile helps keep any odors down.

That must be the reason I don't feel guilty about throwing ALL plate scraps down the disposal. We have a 1 HP Kenmore job that works its blades off. I bought it to work not to just sit under the sink and look pretty. It's a good high power tool that makes our lives easier. Wouldn't want to be without it.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

If it makes you feel any better my 1995 Lincoln had a similar shudder. It involved the torque converter. Common problem on the Mark VIII. Solution was the same, change the fluid. In my case I also had them add a quart of a product called Lube Guard. Shudder gone and stayed away for the 40k miles I owned the car.
This isn't much different. GM replaced a lot of torque converters on these under warranty at first until they realized that wasn't the problem. The fix is a new kind of synthetic Mobil 1 transmission fluid that apparently is ridiculously expensive (I was told the fluid itself is worth $300) and requires a very specific and complex flush/refill procedure using specialized equipment. So far it seems to be the fix.
So, do you have to replace that very expensive transmission fluid one day?
Cars are so complex these days...you don't want to have these kind of troubles.
They should be able to make cars so they don't shudder and they aren't sure why.
And, though I might not be knowledgeable about mechanical things like transmissions, how do they fix it by using better fluid....sounds kind of like a band aid fix to me. Like adding that radiator stuff to a leaking radiator...not exactly rocket science.

That’s an interesting question. Why would changing fluid fix a transmission problem on an old Lincoln or a new Caddy? Especially with 20+ years difference in design.

Probably someone versed in fluid dynamics could explain it to us.

jmonroe1 · November 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

If it makes you feel any better my 1995 Lincoln had a similar shudder. It involved the torque converter. Common problem on the Mark VIII. Solution was the same, change the fluid. In my case I also had them add a quart of a product called Lube Guard. Shudder gone and stayed away for the 40k miles I owned the car.
This isn't much different. GM replaced a lot of torque converters on these under warranty at first until they realized that wasn't the problem. The fix is a new kind of synthetic Mobil 1 transmission fluid that apparently is ridiculously expensive (I was told the fluid itself is worth $300) and requires a very specific and complex flush/refill procedure using specialized equipment. So far it seems to be the fix.
So, do you have to replace that very expensive transmission fluid one day?
Cars are so complex these days...you don't want to have these kind of troubles.
They should be able to make cars so they don't shudder and they aren't sure why.
And, though I might not be knowledgeable about mechanical things like transmissions, how do they fix it by using better fluid....sounds kind of like a band aid fix to me. Like adding that radiator stuff to a leaking radiator...not exactly rocket science.
That’s an interesting question. Why would changing fluid fix a transmission problem on an old Lincoln or a new Caddy? Especially with 20+ years difference in design.

Probably someone versed in fluid dynamics could explain it to us.

Ah, the wonders of good chemistry. Sometimes good lubrication is the answer, like synthetic is better than dino oil. Just because the fix is in the lube doesn't mean there isn't a good "snake oil" out there.

jmonroe

venture · November 2019

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:
I try to not use our disposal too much, I typically scrape the dishes as well.

There may also be a furry friend that gets that duty too!

IMO if you are going to use one to grind up food/bones routinely get a top of the line 1 HP model that makes the particles as small as possible to minimize impact on the sewer line. Our sink is in a corner cabinet and although the cabinet is big the opening isn't large so I went with a fairly compact disposal. It doesn't like bones and isn't great with citrus peels. Grinding up a lemon peel once in awhile helps keep any odors down.
That must be the reason I don't feel guilty about throwing ALL plate scraps down the disposal. We have a 1 HP Kenmore job that works its blades off. I bought it to work not to just sit under the sink and look pretty. It's a good high power tool that makes our lives easier. Wouldn't want to be without it.

jmonroe

Exactly.

Although we do scrape the dishes, we aren't fanatical about it.

When I re-did the kitchen I put in a 1 HP InSinkErator Evolution Excel. Powerful and very quiet.

abacomike · November 2019

By the way, Edmunds describes the Subaru Outback as an "SUV", not a wagon. I was looking up the vehicle my brother just bought using the Edmunds website and Edmunds claims it's an SUV - "Subaru Outback SUV"!

So if the grandkids call it a wagon when they drive it, @driver100, they would be wrong. Even Subaru calls it an SUV.

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

If it makes you feel any better my 1995 Lincoln had a similar shudder. It involved the torque converter. Common problem on the Mark VIII. Solution was the same, change the fluid. In my case I also had them add a quart of a product called Lube Guard. Shudder gone and stayed away for the 40k miles I owned the car.
This isn't much different. GM replaced a lot of torque converters on these under warranty at first until they realized that wasn't the problem. The fix is a new kind of synthetic Mobil 1 transmission fluid that apparently is ridiculously expensive (I was told the fluid itself is worth $300) and requires a very specific and complex flush/refill procedure using specialized equipment. So far it seems to be the fix.
So, do you have to replace that very expensive transmission fluid one day?
Cars are so complex these days...you don't want to have these kind of troubles.
They should be able to make cars so they don't shudder and they aren't sure why.
And, though I might not be knowledgeable about mechanical things like transmissions, how do they fix it by using better fluid....sounds kind of like a band aid fix to me. Like adding that radiator stuff to a leaking radiator...not exactly rocket science.
That’s an interesting question. Why would changing fluid fix a transmission problem on an old Lincoln or a new Caddy? Especially with 20+ years difference in design.

Probably someone versed in fluid dynamics could explain it to us.
Ah, the wonders of good chemistry. Sometimes good lubrication is the answer, like synthetic is better than dino oil. Just because the fix is in the lube doesn't mean there isn't a good "snake oil" out there.

jmonroe

This was my snake oil.

driver100 · November 2019

Might bring back memories;

driver100 · November 2019

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE THAT EXPLAINS TORQUE CONVERTER SHUTTER AND HOW TO CURE IT

A few highlights:
Torque Converter Shudder Repair Cost
On average, torque converter shudder repair costs about $187.50. Torque converter shudder repair costs ranged from $125 to $250 for the US in 2019. This is the cost to flush out your transmission and refill it with new transmission fluid.

Torque converter shudder is a shudder or brief shake in the vehicle after internal clutches apply in the torque converter. Most torque converter shudders happen at about 45MPH. It is similar to running over a rough spot on the road or running over a cattle guard. Just as quick as it happened, it’s gone until it happens again.

Stick is right, trying for maximum efficiency doesn't leave much room for error. The article explains it really well.

andres3 · November 2019

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:
This law firm seems to have a much closer "interpretation" to mine than @snakeweasel for the passing lane laws, particularly as relates to CA and "slower traffic keep right." The left column is the law, the right column appears to be their definition of what it all means.

Law Firm 1, @snakeweasel 0

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf
Reread it, they are agreeing with me.

No, your interpretation of driving on the right-most lane EXCEPT when passing is quite different. They clearly agree the intent of the law is you should keep right except to pass. While the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is one standard, there are others that read that you should keep to the right-most lane.

You try and foolishly mischaracterize it as "You should drive on the right-side of the roadway except when passing."

I noticed you never provided a single "case law" to support your position and interpretation.

snakeweasel · November 2019

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:
This law firm seems to have a much closer "interpretation" to mine than @snakeweasel for the passing lane laws, particularly as relates to CA and "slower traffic keep right." The left column is the law, the right column appears to be their definition of what it all means.

Law Firm 1, @snakeweasel 0

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf
Reread it, they are agreeing with me.
No, your interpretation of driving on the right-most lane EXCEPT when passing is quite different. They clearly agree the intent of the law is you should keep right except to pass. While the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is one standard, there are others that read that you should keep to the right-most lane.

You try and foolishly mischaracterize it as "You should drive on the right-side of the roadway except when passing."

I noticed you never provided a single "case law" to support your position and interpretation.

I cannot believe that the legislature, when adopting V & T Law § 1120(b), intended that drivers travelling at a legal rate be punished for failing to clear the passing lane to make room for those exceeding the limit. I find that subdivision (b)'s mandate that “any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing be driven in the right-hand lane” must be interpreted to mean “any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic ․ up to the applicable speed limit”.

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For the above reasons, I find defendant not guilty of the charge of violating V & T Law § 1120(b).

PEOPLE v. ILIEVESKI

This case is regarding someone who was in the left lane doing speed limit in New York whose traffic code reads the same as California. He was found not guilty seeing as the court interpreted the law to mean that you can be in the left lane as long as you're doing the flow of traffic, and qualifies it as up to the legal speed limit.

Courts 1, Andre 0

snakeweasel · November 2019

driver100 said:
THIS IS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE THAT EXPLAINS TORQUE CONVERTER SHUTTER AND HOW TO CURE IT

A few highlights:
Torque Converter Shudder Repair Cost
On average, torque converter shudder repair costs about $187.50. Torque converter shudder repair costs ranged from $125 to $250 for the US in 2019. This is the cost to flush out your transmission and refill it with new transmission fluid.

Torque converter shudder is a shudder or brief shake in the vehicle after internal clutches apply in the torque converter. Most torque converter shudders happen at about 45MPH. It is similar to running over a rough spot on the road or running over a cattle guard. Just as quick as it happened, it’s gone until it happens again.

Stick is right, trying for maximum efficiency doesn't leave much room for error. The article explains it really well.

I would think that with this group the cure would be to buy a manual.

dino001 · November 2019

Fascinating discussion. I know there was multiple attempts in Florida to change laws to allow ticketing people for occupying other than right lanes and traveling too slow (significantly below speed limit), blocking traffic in the process. Those were certainly not intended to facilitate speed limit exempt drivers, such as Andre (

) to pass them, but rather to allow people traveling within speed limits not to be blocked. The attempts failed as they always fell on the premise that we will ticket people traveling below speed limit.

BTW, Florida is a state with an "absolute" speed limit rule, meaning there is no opening to convince the judge that one drove "safely", thus did not have to obey the limit. The limit is the limit, is the limit. I heard there are some states that allow for such line of defense, but the judicial practice basically is not very generous, anyway. Perhaps Andre could be the one courts would exempt - superior car, superior senses, reflexes, impeccable judgment, premonition of what's behind that big truck or curve. All points out to possibilities.

snakeweasel · November 2019

Dino the main issue is most states use the Uniform Vehicle Code with some states slightly modifying it. The UVC dates back to pre interstate days and few states have updated their lane usage laws for interstate highways.

As for Florida, the last time we drove back from there the left and middle lanes were filled with traffic while the right lane was all but empty. So I camped in the right lane and passed all the slow traffic.

fintail · November 2019

A lot of it isn't for sale, but there is a huge amount of inventory on site, not sure if they own most of it or if it is consigned. I visited late last year, and it is a fun stop, as there are hundreds of cars, other vehicles, an adjacent antique mall, etc, one can spend a few hours there. Pricing is quite optimistic for many cars, but I am sure that includes room for negotiation. It was a fairly diverse assortment for sale too, not just the expected Model As or boomer muscle/customs.

ab348 said:
I understand that Volo is more of a consignment shop than a museum - I gather everything is for sale, and not everything is museum-quality - but can still be entertaining to browse.

fintail · November 2019

I am glad I live in a "keep right" state that for Murka is fairly close to first world.

Sandman6472 · November 2019

My grandma had a 1958 Plymouth Belvedere top model and it was scary looking. Parked in their dark garage next to my grandpa's Imperial was an interesting site. For some reason, that Belvedere didn't last long as she really hated to drive so after about 6 months, it was gone. But every year like clockwork, my grandpa would get a new Chrysler Imperial and they were pretty cool vehicles!

Sandman6472 · November 2019

OF, looks like my interview with Enterprise is going to happen a week from Wednesday. Finally got through with the lady after playing phone tag for almost a week. From what she explained, the meeting place will be about 4 miles away from our house and T, W & F from 7:30 to 6. I'd have no more tolls and use hardly any petrol as an 8 mile round trip commute beats a 60 mile one. That would make up for the cut in pay I'd be making. But, think the time is right to make a switch as the commute is getting to me and not sure if I'll even last through the end of 2020 as I'm just tired of working! Having a few days off last week just showed me that I'm absolutely ready to stop, sooner than later.
When I took the job back in 2014 at Hertz, never thought I'd still be there 5 years later! Always thought that after a few years, I'd stop and enjoy my retirement. But as you know, it's an enjoyable gig so I have stayed this long. Obviously, you seem to like working for them. Hopefully, I'll be doing it by this time next month!

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

Sandman6472 said:
OF, looks like my interview with Enterprise is going to happen a week from Wednesday. Finally got through with the lady after playing phone tag for almost a week. From what she explained, the meeting place will be about 4 miles away from our house and T, W & F from 7:30 to 6. I'd have no more tolls and use hardly any petrol as an 8 mile round trip commute beats a 60 mile one. That would make up for the cut in pay I'd be making. But, think the time is right to make a switch as the commute is getting to me and not sure if I'll even last through the end of 2020 as I'm just tired of working! Having a few days off last week just showed me that I'm absolutely ready to stop, sooner than later.
When I took the job back in 2014 at Hertz, never thought I'd still be there 5 years later! Always thought that after a few years, I'd stop and enjoy my retirement. But as you know, it's an enjoyable gig so I have stayed this long. Obviously, you seem to like working for them. Hopefully, I'll be doing it by this time next month!

I hope it works out for you Sandy, Enterprise is a great company to work for. Of course it helps that it’s my dream retirement job.

I like the short commute too. I passed on a higher paying job that was a 20 mile one way for this one which is 6.

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

Hey Snake, what’s you opinion of a car like this seeing it’s basically a Sonata. I know you're keeping yours but would you buy one if you didn’t already own it?

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballston-spa-2011-kia-optima-lx/7004591191.html

stickguy · November 2019

looks like a nice car, with the coveted new motor. Probably a bit overpriced though.

driver100 · November 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
Hey Snake, what’s you opinion of a car like this seeing it’s basically a Sonata. I know you're keeping yours but would you buy one if you didn’t already own it?

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballston-spa-2011-kia-optima-lx/7004591191.html

Looks like he kept it in pretty good shape....tires went 73k miles, brakes just done. Like the new engine with a lifetime warranty....though, is that even possible? Price is a little high considering, but why would you not put in new carpet or even rubber front floor mats?

I guess for $7000 you would need to get 70k miles out of it...........hmm..........that is cutting it close.

andres3 · November 2019

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:
This law firm seems to have a much closer "interpretation" to mine than @snakeweasel for the passing lane laws, particularly as relates to CA and "slower traffic keep right." The left column is the law, the right column appears to be their definition of what it all means.

Law Firm 1, @snakeweasel 0

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf
Reread it, they are agreeing with me.
No, your interpretation of driving on the right-most lane EXCEPT when passing is quite different. They clearly agree the intent of the law is you should keep right except to pass. While the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is one standard, there are others that read that you should keep to the right-most lane.

You try and foolishly mischaracterize it as "You should drive on the right-side of the roadway except when passing."

I noticed you never provided a single "case law" to support your position and interpretation.
I cannot believe that the legislature, when adopting V & T Law § 1120(b), intended that drivers travelling at a legal rate be punished for failing to clear the passing lane to make room for those exceeding the limit. I find that subdivision (b)'s mandate that “any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing be driven in the right-hand lane” must be interpreted to mean “any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic ․ up to the applicable speed limit”.

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For the above reasons, I find defendant not guilty of the charge of violating V & T Law § 1120(b).

PEOPLE v. ILIEVESKI

This case is regarding someone who was in the left lane doing speed limit in New York whose traffic code reads the same as California. He was found not guilty seeing as the court interpreted the law to mean that you can be in the left lane as long as you're doing the flow of traffic, and qualifies it as up to the legal speed limit.

Courts 1, Andre 0

Based on your cite, I'm going to conclude this is some kind of news story about some rogue judge that made an "UNPUBLISHED" decision.

Obviously, if the legislature wanted "up to the applicable speed limit" to be part of the law, they'd have put that in there!!! You could actually rewrite the law much more concisely, and with less words if you just said "under the speed limit" instead of referencing an entirely different definition, which is "flow of traffic."

Judges are humans, and free to make errors in judgment. I noticed the Supreme Court decided not to publish the Bush v. Gore decision. I'm going to say "unpublished" equals "corrupted."

andres3 · November 2019

dino001 said:
Fascinating discussion. I know there was multiple attempts in Florida to change laws to allow ticketing people for occupying other than right lanes and traveling too slow (significantly below speed limit), blocking traffic in the process. Those were certainly not intended to facilitate speed limit exempt drivers, such as Andre ( ) to pass them, but rather to allow people traveling within speed limits not to be blocked. The attempts failed as they always fell on the premise that we will ticket people traveling below speed limit.

BTW, Florida is a state with an "absolute" speed limit rule, meaning there is no opening to convince the judge that one drove "safely", thus did not have to obey the limit. The limit is the limit, is the limit. I heard there are some states that allow for such line of defense, but the judicial practice basically is not very generous, anyway. Perhaps Andre could be the one courts would exempt - superior car, superior senses, reflexes, impeccable judgment, premonition of what's behind that big truck or curve. All points out to possibilities.

The "basic speed law"! Yes, a favorite of mine in CA!

I dream of testimony like this in Court one day (but they never show up on basic speed law cases!!!):

Defendant pro se: Officer, what made the speed my vehicle was travelling at somehow unsafe or hazardous as to not be a reasonable, safe, and prudent speed?

Officer : Well, hmmm, I dunno.... uhhhh... well...... oh yeah, there was a bike lane.

Defendant pro se : How many bicyclists were using the bike lane when you cited me?

Officer: Well.... none.... that I noted........ but.....

Defendant: So how is an empty bike lane a hazard to my car or vice versa?

Really would be no need to go into all the details of my personal driving abilities, or my car's superior abilities. I see it as an open and shut case.... which, is why they don't show up. It's not random; I know which ones they are showing up to, and which ones they wouldn't dare show up to, for the most part, probably with 95% confidence interval accuracy.

andres3 · November 2019

Speaking of Court Cases, I had my lawyer work a plea deal after pre-emptorily challenging the first assigned judge (who doesn't give a fair trial to save their life), and got a "preferred" traffic court judge that actually has an iota of integrity.

Anyway, between the CHP Officer and the Judge we did the following for my alleged 102 MPH:

1) No 30-Day License Suspension
2) No $1,000 fine as the worst of the 2 VC's I was charged for is waived/dismissed in the interest of justice.
3) No two points for 7 years due to #2 above.
4) I plead guilty to exceeding 65 MPH by the max, which is $490.
5) I get 1- point for the normal 3 years.
6) I have to do a 2-day 16-hour traffic school in person (not online) and the 1 point doesn't get "erased"

Had to give some concessions to get #1, they didn't want to waive #1, but I was going to force a trial with my line in the sand drawn for #1. My lawyer actually asked by text if it was okay to plea with a 30-day suspension. I said no (glad I did). Sort of felt like when your Real Estate agent asks you accept an offer for 90% of your asking price on day 1 or 2 of putting your house up for sale.

sda · November 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
Hey Snake, what’s you opinion of a car like this seeing it’s basically a Sonata. I know you're keeping yours but would you buy one if you didn’t already own it?

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballston-spa-2011-kia-optima-lx/7004591191.html

The LX is not a turbo. Note the dented trunk lid and minor scar on left bumper. Probably a good buy at a lesser price.

andres3 · November 2019

@snakeweasel isn't the only one that argues for left lane camping being somehow legal.

I've seen some whoppers in terms of bad illogical arguments in my day, far worse than his. (not anyone on here), but just today, someone suggested that reasonable and prudent definitions don't apply to the law, in particular traffic law.

So their position is that if they are passing someone, even if not decipherable to the human eye (let's say 0.000000000000000000001 MPH faster than the car they are passing, or let's say it takes a million miles to pass, they consider that meeting the definition of "passing" and therefore, they are legally in the left lane. I don't buy it, and I don't think any judge worth his weight would either.

If that kind of argument worked, then I should be able to use the Earth's rotational speed on its axis and its velocity across the Universe around the Sun to argue a speeding ticket. After all, I see nothing in the vehicle code that precludes that argument.

However, the reasonable and prudent person standard often applies. Would a reasonable person define your driving as "actively and currently passing?" If so, you're good.... if not, you're toast.

Another one (not today):

They argued the flow of traffic was always the speed limit. I'm not joking. They said the speed limit was the average flow of traffic, and the average flow of traffic was the speed limit.

I never got a good answer for what happens during a blizzard, or what about gridlock traffic after a bad accident?

There's also the 85th percentile rule, which in order to be an average or median, would have to be the 50th percentile rule for them to even have a chance to be correct, at least once in a blue moon.

Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

sda · November 2019

andres3, what is your opinion of your wife’s Tiguan? A good friend is thinking about buying one.

stickguy · November 2019

I tried to sell my wife on one. But she really did not like the seats for some reason.

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

stickguy said:
looks like a nice car, with the coveted new motor. Probably a bit overpriced though.

Edmunds says $5,800 in top condition, KBB says $7,400. Quite a spread.

stickguy · November 2019

we occasionally stop at the local Walmart for the odd item. A month or so ago, they had a section of the parking lot roped off, and what looked like gas pumps being installed. Though it seemed odd that they were sort of off to the side edge.

stopped last weekend and they had the area mostly done. Turns out they had installed a bunch of charging stations. I did not look that close, but I don't think they are superchargers. Quite a few "pumps" though.

First big station that I can recall around here. There is a smaller bank at an upscale outdoor mall a few miles the other way, in a much ritzier area!

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

sda said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Hey Snake, what’s you opinion of a car like this seeing it’s basically a Sonata. I know you're keeping yours but would you buy one if you didn’t already own it?

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballston-spa-2011-kia-optima-lx/7004591191.html
The LX is not a turbo. Note the dented trunk lid and minor scar on left bumper. Probably a good buy at a lesser price.

I’m glad you clarified that since everything I know says the 2.4L in the LX was not tourboed and you had to step up to an EX to even get it as an option.

Odd as you’d think the owner would know the engine he just had replaced. Either he had the engine or the trim wrong.

Red flag.

Sandman6472 · November 2019

Yes OF, I'd be chopping of about 25 miles each way and without traffic, it's about a 7 minute drive from our house. No more tolls which would be great plus using up a lot less petrol and keeping the miles down as I'm already over 60K and haven't quite had it five years yet. The timing just seems right to be honest though I'm so familiar with what I've got right now. Dread starting all over again but, will do it if I feel a good vibe there. We meet at the big Enterprise office building here in Coconut Creek Florida, just not sure exactly what offices are there but it is a somewhat large office building.

stickguy · November 2019

there is actually a dead gas station a mile or 2 up the major road that has an entrance into the Wally World (that is set back a ways behind some other businesses) that I mentioned to the wife looks perfect to convert to a charging place. Plenty of lot acreage, and many other stations close by that seemed to keep putting it out of business.

might not be enough easy to walk to stores or eateries near it though. There is a diner. And across the way a new methadone clinic!

explorerx4 · November 2019

@stickguy,
Remediation could be a big stumbling to repurposing that gas station.

oldfarmer50 · November 2019

Sandman6472 said:
Yes OF, I'd be chopping of about 25 miles each way and without traffic, it's about a 7 minute drive from our house. No more tolls which would be great plus using up a lot less petrol and keeping the miles down as I'm already over 60K and haven't quite had it five years yet. The timing just seems right to be honest though I'm so familiar with what I've got right now. Dread starting all over again but, will do it if I feel a good vibe there. We meet at the big Enterprise office building here in Coconut Creek Florida, just not sure exactly what offices are there but it is a somewhat large office building.

You’re getting the special treatment as my interviews were all by email with just one meeting with my future boss (I guess to see if I was crazy or dead). After that it was one more meeting with the boss to get my gate pass and then I was off and running. Orientation was minimal and combined with the office site runner/cleaners so much of it didn’t pertain to me. The real instruction came from my fellow drivers.

I know you’ve been worried about how they will perceive your physical limitations. You should have been in our driver’s room the other day. We had one guy on oxygen and two walking with quad canes. Then we had the two young guys. One is totally disabled with a bad back and the other has a bad knee from injuries incurred in the military.

And that was the healthy group.

snakeweasel · November 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
Hey Snake, what’s you opinion of a car like this seeing it’s basically a Sonata. I know you're keeping yours but would you buy one if you didn’t already own it?

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballston-spa-2011-kia-optima-lx/7004591191.html

My opinion is that for a grand less than what they are asking I might consider it. However I would like to see it in person before making any type of commitment.

stickguy · November 2019

I was thinking it was maybe a $6K car if if checked out normal.

snakeweasel · November 2019

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Hey Snake, what’s you opinion of a car like this seeing it’s basically a Sonata. I know you're keeping yours but would you buy one if you didn’t already own it?

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballston-spa-2011-kia-optima-lx/7004591191.html
Looks like he kept it in pretty good shape....tires went 73k miles, brakes just done. Like the new engine with a lifetime warranty....though, is that even possible? Price is a little high considering, but why would you not put in new carpet or even rubber front floor mats?

I guess for $7000 you would need to get 70k miles out of it...........hmm..........that is cutting it close.

I would be wary of a lifetime warranty, read the paperwork carefully to see what they define as "lifetime" and to see if it even transfers to the next owner. Also in most states there is a statute of limitations that starts when you get the item that's under warranty.

snakeweasel · November 2019

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:
This law firm seems to have a much closer "interpretation" to mine than @snakeweasel for the passing lane laws, particularly as relates to CA and "slower traffic keep right." The left column is the law, the right column appears to be their definition of what it all means.

Law Firm 1, @snakeweasel 0

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf
Reread it, they are agreeing with me.
No, your interpretation of driving on the right-most lane EXCEPT when passing is quite different. They clearly agree the intent of the law is you should keep right except to pass. While the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is one standard, there are others that read that you should keep to the right-most lane.

You try and foolishly mischaracterize it as "You should drive on the right-side of the roadway except when passing."

I noticed you never provided a single "case law" to support your position and interpretation.
I cannot believe that the legislature, when adopting V & T Law § 1120(b), intended that drivers travelling at a legal rate be punished for failing to clear the passing lane to make room for those exceeding the limit. I find that subdivision (b)'s mandate that “any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing be driven in the right-hand lane” must be interpreted to mean “any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic ․ up to the applicable speed limit”.

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For the above reasons, I find defendant not guilty of the charge of violating V & T Law § 1120(b).

PEOPLE v. ILIEVESKI

This case is regarding someone who was in the left lane doing speed limit in New York whose traffic code reads the same as California. He was found not guilty seeing as the court interpreted the law to mean that you can be in the left lane as long as you're doing the flow of traffic, and qualifies it as up to the legal speed limit.

Courts 1, Andre 0

Based on your cite, I'm going to conclude this is some kind of news story about some rogue judge that made an "UNPUBLISHED" decision.

Obviously, if the legislature wanted "up to the applicable speed limit" to be part of the law, they'd have put that in there!!! You could actually rewrite the law much more concisely, and with less words if you just said "under the speed limit" instead of referencing an entirely different definition, which is "flow of traffic."

Judges are humans, and free to make errors in judgment. I noticed the Supreme Court decided not to publish the Bush v. Gore decision. I'm going to say "unpublished" equals "corrupted."

Unpublished? how do you think I copied and pasted it. Super easy to find by a simple web search.

NikNak2 · November 2019

I never heard of the Sonata before but wow this car looks quite classy to me. Kia is definitely heading into the right direction!

abacomike · November 2019

NikNak2 said:
I never heard of the Sonata before but wow this car looks quite classy to me. Kia is definitely heading into the right direction!

See what you can learn here? Be patient and you will learn more about everything under the sun - cars and SUV's, too! 🤪😜😛

PF_Flyer · November 2019

Never try to "prove" anything on an internet forum or message board is what my grandma always said

Just sayin'

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