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jmonroe1 · June 2020

tjc78 said:
Circling back to grapes... wasn't that color Cabernet Red Pearl?

Yep, that was a very nice burgundy color. Not like the old man’s charcoal gray that I’m living with now.

jmonroe

stickguy · June 2020

Saw a nice red Hyundai Genesis last week. I assume the first model like you had. Good looking car.

cdnpinhead · June 2020

Signature Mae West line from 1933, "Oh, Beulah, peel me a grape," thought by some to be the epitome of having others do things for them.

ab348 · June 2020

cdnpinhead said:
Signature Mae West line from 1933, "Oh, Beulah, peel me a grape," thought by some to be the epitome of having others do things for them.

We're squeezing every bit of juice out of this topic.

driver100 · June 2020

ab348 said:

cdnpinhead said:
Signature Mae West line from 1933, "Oh, Beulah, peel me a grape," thought by some to be the epitome of having others do things for them.
We're squeezing every bit of juice out of this topic.

Don't wine!

pensfan83 · June 2020

All these puns are making me blush.

isellhondas · June 2020

jmonroe1 said:

isellhondas said:
Regarding Upselling. If I take one of our cars into a shop for something minor such as an oil change I have no problem if something is spotted that needs to be fixed. What I don't like is when they go on a "Treasure Hunt" and try to sell me things that are bogus.

As an example, about a year or so ago when we still had our Avalon it got recalled for the air bag inflator replacement. After SIX MONTHS and many phone calls they finally got parts in stock. Took the car in and was told it would be an hour's wait. Fine! About a half hour later my Service Advisor came looking for me.

He told me that as part of the airbag recall I was given a free inspection! Lucky me!

Trying to remember everything now...I was told the front brake pads were "down to nothing" and the rears had about ten percent left. My battery was "cracked" and needed to be replaced for 150.00. The front crank seal was leaking and the front end needed some bushing replaced. I asked him to show me where the battery was cracked. We went out to the car and using his flashlight he was unable to spot the crack that the technician had discovered. Naturally the technician had gone to lunch. I declined the work.

The next week I took it to mytrusted Indy Shop (that I no longer trust...long story) I told them what the dealer said and a couple of hours later I got a call.

They told me that the brake pads were in good shape and should be good for another 10,000 miles. The battery was pulled out and carefully inspected....no cracks. They told me that they had NEVER seen a leaking front crank pully seal on a V6 Toyora and that mine was totally dry. They couldn't find any worn suspension parts.

This is how shops get a bad reputation!
I think it’s going to be a slow day in here so tell us about your untrustworthy indie shop. We can handle it.

jmonroe

I think I told this story in another forum but I'll repeat it here.

For about the past 25 years we have been very loyal to a small shop here in town. The owner as I understand it is a working mechanic. He had minimal customer contact leaving that to a trusted employee who ran a tight ship. They were 100% honest and they did outstanding work at a fair price. Several times I feared I had a big problem when they fixed whatever was wrong at a minimal charge. I have spent, literally thousands of dollars in this shop and I have referred MANY friends and neighbors. I have given them glowing five star reviews on Yelp and other places.

So, I had noticed a small oil drip on our garage floor under the right front side of our 2008 Lexus ES 350. I tried to look under the car but I had no success. I took it to my shop only to receive a phone call from a new guy who had replaced the long term front desk guy who I totally liked and respected. I was informed that I needed a new power steering pump! Now, I thought they could be easily resealed but I was told that I was wrong...OK, I accept that. I was given an estimate of 1000.00! That included "flushing" the system. I was floored so I passed on the job. No problem! They charged me 85.00 to diagnose the problem which must have taken them five minutes once up on a rack using a flashlight. Since I used to manage a large shop back in the old days, I wasn't a babe in the woods. I called three other trusted Indy shops and I was quoted between four and five hundred dollars for the exact same job. Looked it up and the book says it's a 1.5 hour job!

So, I don't know...I no longer trust them or feel comfortable going there or sending them referral business. The owner is a great mechanic or so I've heard but he is aloof and is probably better off in the back. I think their way of doing business has changed and I won't be back. No, I'm not going to change my reviews or bad mouth them in anyway.

isellhondas · June 2020

EDIT: When I got the car home I checked the power steering fluid level and it was about a half inch below the full mark. I topped it off and now for some reason it seems to have stopped dripping. Go figure!

andres3 · June 2020

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:
Circling back to grapes... wasn't that color Cabernet Red Pearl?
Yep, that was a very nice burgundy color. Not like the old man’s charcoal gray that I’m living with now.

jmonroe

Hate to break it to you, but Burgundy is definitely an old man color too.

tjc78 · June 2020

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:
Circling back to grapes... wasn't that color Cabernet Red Pearl?
Yep, that was a very nice burgundy color. Not like the old man’s charcoal gray that I’m living with now.

jmonroe
Hate to break it to you, but Burgundy is definitely an old man color too.

Disagree.

tjc78 · June 2020

The only colors I really associate with older folks is Champagne/Beige/Gold.... maybe powder blue

driver100 · June 2020

isellhondas said:

jmonroe1 said:

isellhondas said:
Regarding Upselling. If I take one of our cars into a shop for something minor such as an oil change I have no problem if something is spotted that needs to be fixed. What I don't like is when they go on a "Treasure Hunt" and try to sell me things that are bogus.

As an example, about a year or so ago when we still had our Avalon it got recalled for the air bag inflator replacement. After SIX MONTHS and many phone calls they finally got parts in stock. Took the car in and was told it would be an hour's wait. Fine! About a half hour later my Service Advisor came looking for me.

He told me that as part of the airbag recall I was given a free inspection! Lucky me!

Trying to remember everything now...I was told the front brake pads were "down to nothing" and the rears had about ten percent left. My battery was "cracked" and needed to be replaced for 150.00. The front crank seal was leaking and the front end needed some bushing replaced. I asked him to show me where the battery was cracked. We went out to the car and using his flashlight he was unable to spot the crack that the technician had discovered. Naturally the technician had gone to lunch. I declined the work.

The next week I took it to mytrusted Indy Shop (that I no longer trust...long story) I told them what the dealer said and a couple of hours later I got a call.

They told me that the brake pads were in good shape and should be good for another 10,000 miles. The battery was pulled out and carefully inspected....no cracks. They told me that they had NEVER seen a leaking front crank pully seal on a V6 Toyora and that mine was totally dry. They couldn't find any worn suspension parts.

This is how shops get a bad reputation!
I think it’s going to be a slow day in here so tell us about your untrustworthy indie shop. We can handle it.

jmonroe

So, I don't know...I no longer trust them or feel comfortable going there or sending them referral business. The owner is a great mechanic or so I've heard but he is aloof and is probably better off in the back. I think their way of doing business has changed and I won't be back.

I told this story while in Florida. My neighbor had a mechanic who he trusted and found completely honest, often saving him a lot of money on repairs.

The garage where he was working was closing, so this excellent mechanic applied for a job at a large new franchise garage that was opening soon.

When he went to the interview they told him when a customer brought cars in to be repaired, he had to find additional work they could do. He would be judged by how much additional business he could add to the original cost.

He couldn't do it.....he was offered the job but couldn't work like that. Nice to see someone with honor.

***I am usually skeptical when someone takes over a business. Usually the original owner built it up, treated customers well, gives good value for service, has paid off all the start up costs. The new guy usually has a big expense paying off his new business, and tries to find ways to keep the profit level the same...but pay off the debt.

driver100 · June 2020

pensfan83 said:
All these puns are making me blush.

That's just sour grapes!

andres3 · June 2020

isellhondas said:

jmonroe1 said:

isellhondas said:
Regarding Upselling. If I take one of our cars into a shop for something minor such as an oil change I have no problem if something is spotted that needs to be fixed. What I don't like is when they go on a "Treasure Hunt" and try to sell me things that are bogus.

As an example, about a year or so ago when we still had our Avalon it got recalled for the air bag inflator replacement. After SIX MONTHS and many phone calls they finally got parts in stock. Took the car in and was told it would be an hour's wait. Fine! About a half hour later my Service Advisor came looking for me.

He told me that as part of the airbag recall I was given a free inspection! Lucky me!

Trying to remember everything now...I was told the front brake pads were "down to nothing" and the rears had about ten percent left. My battery was "cracked" and needed to be replaced for 150.00. The front crank seal was leaking and the front end needed some bushing replaced. I asked him to show me where the battery was cracked. We went out to the car and using his flashlight he was unable to spot the crack that the technician had discovered. Naturally the technician had gone to lunch. I declined the work.

The next week I took it to mytrusted Indy Shop (that I no longer trust...long story) I told them what the dealer said and a couple of hours later I got a call.

They told me that the brake pads were in good shape and should be good for another 10,000 miles. The battery was pulled out and carefully inspected....no cracks. They told me that they had NEVER seen a leaking front crank pully seal on a V6 Toyora and that mine was totally dry. They couldn't find any worn suspension parts.

This is how shops get a bad reputation!
I think it’s going to be a slow day in here so tell us about your untrustworthy indie shop. We can handle it.

jmonroe

I think I told this story in another forum but I'll repeat it here.

For about the past 25 years we have been very loyal to a small shop here in town. The owner as I understand it is a working mechanic. He had minimal customer contact leaving that to a trusted employee who ran a tight ship. They were 100% honest and they did outstanding work at a fair price. Several times I feared I had a big problem when they fixed whatever was wrong at a minimal charge. I have spent, literally thousands of dollars in this shop and I have referred MANY friends and neighbors. I have given them glowing five star reviews on Yelp and other places.

So, I had noticed a small oil drip on our garage floor under the right front side of our 2008 Lexus ES 350. I tried to look under the car but I had no success. I took it to my shop only to receive a phone call from a new guy who had replaced the long term front desk guy who I totally liked and respected. I was informed that I needed a new power steering pump! Now, I thought they could be easily resealed but I was told that I was wrong...OK, I accept that. I was given an estimate of 1000.00! That included "flushing" the system. I was floored so I passed on the job. No problem! They charged me 85.00 to diagnose the problem which must have taken them five minutes once up on a rack using a flashlight. Since I used to manage a large shop back in the old days, I wasn't a babe in the woods. I called three other trusted Indy shops and I was quoted between four and five hundred dollars for the exact same job. Looked it up and the book says it's a 1.5 hour job!

So, I don't know...I no longer trust them or feel comfortable going there or sending them referral business. The owner is a great mechanic or so I've heard but he is aloof and is probably better off in the back. I think their way of doing business has changed and I won't be back. No, I'm not going to change my reviews or bad mouth them in anyway.

Toyota's and Honda's are how disreputable dishonest auto shops get caught the most. If they recommend something for one of those two makes, it's most likely a lie.

They never need anything!!!!

ab348 · June 2020

tjc78 said:
The only colors I really associate with older folks is Champagne/Beige/Gold.... maybe powder blue

Agree on the first one but a funny thing about powder blue, especially the non-metallic kind. I really like it on certain cars. If I was in the market for a '60s Ford, that would be one of the colors I would look for. Also, Olds had a similar shade in the late '60s/early '70s that looks great with a white vinyl interior, especially on a convertible. Or even a VW Beetle. In fact I seem to remember the new Beetle was offered in a shade like that for a while as a homage to the original.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

stickguy said:
Saw a nice red Hyundai Genesis last week. I assume the first model like you had. Good looking car.

Did it look like this:

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:
Circling back to grapes... wasn't that color Cabernet Red Pearl?
Yep, that was a very nice burgundy color. Not like the old man’s charcoal gray that I’m living with now.

jmonroe
Hate to break it to you, but Burgundy is definitely an old man color too.

I never heard that before but since you seem to be a color expert, what color is not an old man's color?

jmonroe

stickguy · June 2020

Not seeing a picture JM. But it looked like a gen 1, Hyundai badged, Genny!

ab348 · June 2020

From what I was able to see using mirrors, I had an apparently successful self-haircut today. Of course when you have very little to begin with and typically do a short buzz cut it is difficult to go far wrong.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:
Saw a nice red Hyundai Genesis last week. I assume the first model like you had. Good looking car.
Did it look like this:

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:
Circling back to grapes... wasn't that color Cabernet Red Pearl?
Yep, that was a very nice burgundy color. Not like the old man’s charcoal gray that I’m living with now.

jmonroe
Hate to break it to you, but Burgundy is definitely an old man color too.
I never heard that before but since you seem to be a color expert, what color is not an old man's color?

jmonroe

I screwed up the first part of that post where "I said did it look like this"? I was trying to post an '09 Genny pic that was the Cabernet Red Pearl color but I couldn't get it to post. I thought I deleted that attempt but I see now that didn't work.

This site needs fixed because the Comment Box was blank when I made my confusing post.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · June 2020

stickguy said:
Not seeing a picture JM. But it looked like a gen 1, Hyundai badged, Genny!

While I was making my latest post, you made this one. See my post for what happened.

jmonroe

stickguy · June 2020

stickguy · June 2020

It looked like that

jmonroe1 · June 2020

stickguy said:

Yeah, that looks like it but what I really wanted to post was a Genny sitting in the lot outside a dealers showroom that I saw years ago but I couldn't find that one. Believe me, the color looks even better in sunlight which I'm sure @tjc78 can confirm.

jmonroe

tjc78 · June 2020

That’s what I had too! Yes, it’s looks great in the sun. Somewhere I have a Pic of mine.

tjc78 · June 2020

ab348 said:

tjc78 said:
The only colors I really associate with older folks is Champagne/Beige/Gold.... maybe powder blue
Agree on the first one but a funny thing about powder blue, especially the non-metallic kind. I really like it on certain cars. If I was in the market for a '60s Ford, that would be one of the colors I would look for. Also, Olds had a similar shade in the late '60s/early '70s that looks great with a white vinyl interior, especially on a convertible. Or even a VW Beetle. In fact I seem to remember the new Beetle was offered in a shade like that for a while as a homage to the original.

I was thinking more along modern cars. The 60s blue/turquoise colors are period and I do like them very much. GM had some really nice shades.

driver100 · June 2020

Did it look like this:

jmonroe

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JMonroes Air Genesis.

imidazol97 · June 2020

andres3 said:
Toyota's and Honda's are how disreputable dishonest auto shops get caught the most. If they recommend something for one of those two makes, it's most likely a lie. They never need anything!!!!

After decades of listening to the peer group speak that Hondas and toyotas never need any work done, I enjoy the morning talk radio guy on a Cincy radio doing the advertising for an independent shop. He tells how they've kept his CRV running with only 100,000 miles. He lists off the many things they have had to repair on it. Compressor. Door handle. I can't recall them all because he usually only lists one or two on each reading of the advertisement. He takes his German cars there too for service to avoid the extra $100 for the oil change cost at the dealership.

fintail · June 2020

On that note, not too long ago I think I saw a ~12 Civic, with completely failed paint on horizontal surfaces (black, of course). I know Hondas with black paint especially had issues earlier in this century, but I had yet to see one that new.

Taking an older German car to a dealer for anything but a basic oil change on a special deal is crazy. Even for major services, indy savings will add up. Dealerships are best for in-warranty cars or if they have a blowout service special and you need the loaner car.

tjc78 · June 2020

Funny about the black paint on Hondas. Ford couldn't get white right for the longest time. Look at how many white Crown Vics and Grand Marquis with huge areas where the paint peeled right off.

My 04 needed the whole hood repainted early on in it's life and toward the end of ownership had a few areas that were clearly going to let go soon.

In the forums it's called Ford fail white

venture · June 2020

roadburner said:

kyfdx said:

jwm40517 said:
Borrowed a Honda mower from a friend 20+ years ago. It had a blade clutch that would stop and start the blade while the engine was running. The engine was very quite when the clutch was engaged. Would seem to be safer to stop blade without having to turn the engine off.

Regarding Lawn Boys a late friend and fan of them said, "You either have a Lawn Boy or you need one".
Blade brake/clutch. It's a great feature, and one of the reasons for a higher price. I can't imagine having a mower without that feature.
My Cub Cadet ZTR is supposed to turn off the blades when it is reversing. The selling dealer knew I wasn’t happy about it so they “forgot” to hook up the cutout harness before they delivered my mower.

How do you like the Cub Cadet? I have 2 John Deeres, an X300 and a X730. Both are nice and are workhorses. (I can't use a zero turn.) The few times they needed other than normal service, I was not happy with the dealer who did the work.

I'm thinking of replacing the X300 with a Cub Cadet Xt Enduro of some sort and roll the dice with that dealer.

The X730 isn't due to be replaced for a year or two.

snakeweasel · June 2020

28firefighter said:
I just read an article somewhere that explained that most employees have no comprehension of how much their employer spends on healthcare per employee. I want to say the number quoted was $14k per employee per year on average.

Look at box 12 of your W2 it's listed as code "DD"

imidazol97 · June 2020

To get the last drop of juice out of the grape story, I kept thinking about stomping the squishy grapes like Lucy did in I Love Lucy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUxjOS3g6Uc

ab348 · June 2020

tjc78 said:
Funny about the black paint on Hondas. Ford couldn't get white right for the longest time. Look at how many white Crown Vics and Grand Marquis with huge areas where the paint peeled right off.

My 04 needed the whole hood repainted early on in it's life and toward the end of ownership had a few areas that were clearly going to let go soon.

In the forums it's called Ford fail white

Toyotas built at their Canadian plant also had big problems getting white paint to stick. Edmunds even got a shout-out in this story:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/vehicles-defects-paint-toyota-1.4814545

"Mosley and Willyard aren't alone, according to numerous people who have posted their Toyota peeling-paint stories on various car websites like Edmunds.com and carcomplaints.com.

Many have included pictures. While many posters are American, some Canadians have also used the venues to express their unhappiness with the situation.

Mosley said when she first called the dealership to inquire about the problem, the person in charge of warranties asked if her vehicle was white. She said he told her that white Toyotas manufactured between 2009 and 2013 were not primed properly and that's why the paint was peeling.

However, when she tried to get the manufacturer to pay for repainting the damaged parts of her vehicle, she was told the paint warranty expired after 36 months."

pensfan83 · June 2020

fintail said:
On that note, not too long ago I think I saw a ~12 Civic, with completely failed paint on horizontal surfaces (black, of course). I know Hondas with black paint especially had issues earlier in this century, but I had yet to see one that new.

Taking an older German car to a dealer for anything but a basic oil change on a special deal is crazy. Even for major services, indy savings will add up. Dealerships are best for in-warranty cars or if they have a blowout service special and you need the loaner car.

The red hues that my car and @nyccarguy's car are painted are notorious for fading to pink if care isn't taken to protect it from the elements.

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

tjc78 said:
The only colors I really associate with older folks is Champagne/Beige/Gold.... maybe powder blue

I personally like the first color, but then, I AM an old man. But I liked it since I was a kid soooo...Powder blue? Yuck!

Speaking of colors, here’s the interior of the kid’s Fusion. I was so happy that it wasn’t black.

ab348 · June 2020

Fusion interior looks good.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

isellhondas said:
EDIT: When I got the car home I checked the power steering fluid level and it was about a half inch below the full mark. I topped it off and now for some reason it seems to have stopped dripping. Go figure!

Thanks for the story. Good shops are hard to find and when the one you’ve been using for a long time turns on you, it’s hard to find another shop and start over again building up a relationship.

jmonroe

roadburner · June 2020

venture said:

roadburner said:

kyfdx said:

jwm40517 said:
Borrowed a Honda mower from a friend 20+ years ago. It had a blade clutch that would stop and start the blade while the engine was running. The engine was very quite when the clutch was engaged. Would seem to be safer to stop blade without having to turn the engine off.

Regarding Lawn Boys a late friend and fan of them said, "You either have a Lawn Boy or you need one".
Blade brake/clutch. It's a great feature, and one of the reasons for a higher price. I can't imagine having a mower without that feature.
My Cub Cadet ZTR is supposed to turn off the blades when it is reversing. The selling dealer knew I wasn’t happy about it so they “forgot” to hook up the cutout harness before they delivered my mower.

How do you like the Cub Cadet? I have 2 John Deeres, an X300 and a X730. Both are nice and are workhorses. (I can't use a zero turn.) The few times they needed other than normal service, I was not happy with the dealer who did the work.

I'm thinking of replacing the X300 with a Cub Cadet Xt Enduro of some sort and roll the dice with that dealer.

The X730 isn't due to be replaced for a year or two.

It had a couple of TSBs the first year but my dealer picked it up and fixed them with no cost or hassle. One wheel motor needed a gasket replaced and two spindle bearings were replaced(don't use the deck wash feature)- but then I've had it for 13 years. Mine is a commercial model so it's built stouter than the box store models- and the Kawasaki twin will run forever.

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

tjc78 said:
Funny about the black paint on Hondas. Ford couldn't get white right for the longest time. Look at how many white Crown Vics and Grand Marquis with huge areas where the paint peeled right off.

My 04 needed the whole hood repainted early on in it's life and toward the end of ownership had a few areas that were clearly going to let go soon.

In the forums it's called Ford fail white

I think GM had that paint problem too.my 91’ Olds and my 04’ Chevy both and sheets of paint peel off the hoods.

fintail · June 2020

Speaking of paint fading, I recall late 90s era Toyotas in beigegold can do it amusingly, sometimes looking like the car has had paintwork, but it is just the color. I recall the paint falling off in patches issue on late 80s/early 90s GMs too, IIRC some kind of water based paint/primer issue. I don't recall the 80s and 90s Fords in the family doing this.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:
Funny about the black paint on Hondas. Ford couldn't get white right for the longest time. Look at how many white Crown Vics and Grand Marquis with huge areas where the paint peeled right off.

My 04 needed the whole hood repainted early on in it's life and toward the end of ownership had a few areas that were clearly going to let go soon.

In the forums it's called Ford fail white
I think GM had that paint problem too.my 91’ Olds and my 04’ Chevy both and sheets of paint peel off the hoods.

GM did have the problem. My ‘95 white Bonneville had it bad. I took it to several body shops and they ALL said it was a primer/paint compatibility problem. My problem surfaced around 2002, long after a warranty fix even with my local dealers body shop going to bat for me since the car was otherwise in great condition. I distinctly remember him saying, “our used car manager would kill to have this car on his lot...IF it had paint”. That soured me on GM after owning nothing but GM’s since my first car...a used ‘56 Chevy six cylinder.

jmonroe

sda · June 2020

tjc78 said:
The only colors I really associate with older folks is Champagne/Beige/Gold.... maybe powder blue

Ouch!

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

fintail said:
Speaking of paint fading, I recall late 90s era Toyotas in beigegold can do it amusingly, sometimes looking like the car has had paintwork, but it is just the color. I recall the paint falling off in patches issue on late 80s/early 90s GMs too, IIRC some kind of water based paint/primer issue. I don't recall the 80s and 90s Fords in the family doing this.

I don’t think the kid’s 98’ white LaSabre having that problem. Even the fenders that he almost knocked off had solid paint.

tjc78 · June 2020

fintail said:
Speaking of paint fading, I recall late 90s era Toyotas in beigegold can do it amusingly, sometimes looking like the car has had paintwork, but it is just the color. I recall the paint falling off in patches issue on late 80s/early 90s GMs too, IIRC some kind of water based paint/primer issue. I don't recall the 80s and 90s Fords in the family doing this.

I've seen that, but it was the bumper colors fading to a different shade than the rest of the car.

imidazol97 · June 2020

jmonroe1 said:

GM did have the problem. My ‘95 white Bonneville had it bad. I took it to several body shops and they ALL said it was a primer/paint compatibility problem. My problem surfaced around 2002, long after a warranty fix even with my local dealers body shop going to bat for me since the car was otherwise in great condition. I distinctly remember him saying, “our used car manager would kill to have this car on his lot...IF it had paint”. That soured me on GM after owning nothing but GM’s since my first car...a used ‘56 Chevy six cylinder.

Out 98 Century in silver had a problem with paint in certain spots lifting. Sort of like silicone spots when a car wasn't prepped right before painting. Bubbles, very few. But Buick repainted the car down to the side bumper strip free of charge under extended warranty, so I don't consider that a problem.

The story I was given was that PPG helped design primer and paint systems that didn't work right. IIRC, there needed to be a primer, then an intermediate coat that would bond tightly to the primer and also allow the final coat to bond well to it, then the final coat and the clearcoats.

GM was told the primer would hold the final coat properly. Didn't work for all colors... Hmmmmm.

Any time I see house paints that supposedly include the primer and then last forever, I take it with a grain of salt.

fintail · June 2020

My uncle had a white (on burgundy) 98 LeSabre, it held up fine, too. I helped him sell it a few years ago when it was up to something like 180K - he listed it at something like 2K and it sold in 48 hours.

He liked the car, but when my grandma stopped driving and offered him a low mileage Taurus, he switched.

oldfarmer50 said:

I don’t think the kid’s 98’ white LaSabre having that problem. Even the fenders that he almost knocked off had solid paint.

fintail · June 2020

Exactly, the area where the bumper piece meets the fender can be a little jarring. I suspect an issue with paint on plastic vs metal.

tjc78 said:

I've seen that, but it was the bumper colors fading to a different shade than the rest of the car.

stickguy · June 2020

there are a couple of 2006+ Civics in my neighborhood that have no paint on the flat surfaces. Both dark blue.

driver100 · June 2020

ab348 said:
Fusion interior looks good.

+1 Very tasteful and the beige sets it off...black would look dull.

venture · June 2020

roadburner said:

venture said:

roadburner said:

kyfdx said:

jwm40517 said:
Borrowed a Honda mower from a friend 20+ years ago. It had a blade clutch that would stop and start the blade while the engine was running. The engine was very quite when the clutch was engaged. Would seem to be safer to stop blade without having to turn the engine off.

Regarding Lawn Boys a late friend and fan of them said, "You either have a Lawn Boy or you need one".
Blade brake/clutch. It's a great feature, and one of the reasons for a higher price. I can't imagine having a mower without that feature.
My Cub Cadet ZTR is supposed to turn off the blades when it is reversing. The selling dealer knew I wasn’t happy about it so they “forgot” to hook up the cutout harness before they delivered my mower.

How do you like the Cub Cadet? I have 2 John Deeres, an X300 and a X730. Both are nice and are workhorses. (I can't use a zero turn.) The few times they needed other than normal service, I was not happy with the dealer who did the work.

I'm thinking of replacing the X300 with a Cub Cadet Xt Enduro of some sort and roll the dice with that dealer.

The X730 isn't due to be replaced for a year or two.
It had a couple of TSBs the first year but my dealer picked it up and fixed them with no cost or hassle. One wheel motor needed a gasket replaced and two spindle bearings were replaced(don't use the deck wash feature)- but then I've had it for 13 years. Mine is a commercial model so it's built stouter than the box store models- and the Kawasaki twin will run forever.

That's not bad at all for 13 years. They don't appear to make a commercial grade lawn tractor. I'm a little shocked at how reasonably priced they are.

I think I'm going to the dealer to have a look around. First I have to see if it's still appointment only.

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