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Sandman6472 · July 2020

We had a factory in Ridgefield Park so that was the closest we ever got to New Jersey.
Our garage is a two-car but we have one main door with no windows, no windows in the garage at all. Would've liked one but guess it's safer now since no glass for someone to break to get in the house. If I had my way, would've preferred a circular driveway out in front.

snakeweasel · July 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:
when people are around, I do the exact opposite and try to avoid driving like an idiot. When I'm by myself, I can be as dumb as I want.

In other news, garage doors were done today. I'm very happy with the result. Looks much better than I expected.

Now I gotta sweep up and do something about those awful lights.
I’m jealous. I’ve got a house and a barn and I’m still down one on you.

I know someone who lives in a barn. They rehabbed a barn into a living space as the town grew around the farm. Looks real nice.

stickguy · July 2020

explorerx4 said:
@stickguy,
Some more garage porn for you.

yes I am jealous of you too. The primary reason I am willing to move to the boondocks where winter sucks is to get a house with a spare garage or 2!

stickguy · July 2020

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:
when people are around, I do the exact opposite and try to avoid driving like an idiot. When I'm by myself, I can be as dumb as I want.

In other news, garage doors were done today. I'm very happy with the result. Looks much better than I expected.

Now I gotta sweep up and do something about those awful lights.
I’m jealous. I’ve got a house and a barn and I’m still down one on you.
I know someone who lives in a barn. They rehabbed a barn into a living space as the town grew around the farm. Looks real nice.

my daughter recently moved to an apartment in a trendy neighborhood in Wilmington (DE). quiet street, some twins some rows. Parking of course is often street in those places. But, she is across from a fire house dating to something like 1890 or 1912. Real old! no longer in use, so a big place with lots of parking lot. Turns out it sold a while back to a local doctor who is planning to rehab it into living upstairs, and downstairs in the truck room will be where he keeps his car collection. That sounds like a really cool, and obscenely expensive, undertaking.

driver100 · July 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:
I been to several Mustang shows and some people definitely feel the need/pressure to show off.
But from some of those videos I wonder if some people don’t know how to use brakes or the steering wheel.

That's the thing....they think they know how to brake and steer are more knowledgeable than they are...that's when things go wrong. Sometimes better to be in a car with someone who isn't overly sure how competent they are.

fintail · July 2020

Dang, is that the side of the house or an entire detached garage? I'd call that a carriage house, if the latter - but the hip/nub of the roof makes me think it is a relatively modern building.

Speaking of garages, a mile or two from me is what I call "my" house, an unrenovated Camelot-era colonial revival. 3 car garage, detached, and something that pushes my buttons, the little breezeway/porch between garage and house. The fintail would look good parked here:

Unfortunately, not to be, as I am not of lucky birth or timing. This old house, on a roughly 2/3 acre lot, sold for $4.4MM last year. So far it appears untouched, but I fear it will eventually be razed for a tacky mcmansion.

qbrozen said:

Now I gotta sweep up and do something about those awful lights.

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:
when people are around, I do the exact opposite and try to avoid driving like an idiot. When I'm by myself, I can be as dumb as I want.

In other news, garage doors were done today. I'm very happy with the result. Looks much better than I expected.

Now I gotta sweep up and do something about those awful lights.
I’m jealous. I’ve got a house and a barn and I’m still down one on you.
I know someone who lives in a barn. They rehabbed a barn into a living space as the town grew around the farm. Looks real nice.

Some of the barn conversions I’ve seen in Vermont probably cost a million dollars.

qbrozen · July 2020

fintail said:
Dang, is that the side of the house or an entire detached garage? I'd call that a carriage house, if the latter - but the hip/nub of the roof makes me think it is a relatively modern building.

Speaking of garages, a mile or two from me is what I call "my" house, an unrenovated Camelot-era colonial revival. 3 car garage, detached, and something that pushes my buttons, the little breezeway/porch between garage and house. The fintail would look good parked here:

Unfortunately, not to be, as I am not of lucky birth or timing. This old house, on a roughly 2/3 acre lot, sold for $4.4MM last year. So far it appears untouched, but I fear it will eventually be razed for a tacky mcmansion.

qbrozen said:

Now I gotta sweep up and do something about those awful lights.

It is not detached. I’ll see if i can find a pic of the front of the house. I think it is still in zillow.

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

tjc78 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:
Some cars have non defeatable or semi defeatable traction control systems.
I’ve read somewhere that the reason you see Mustangs going out of control in those fail videos is that the traction/stability control can never be turned completely off. During those show off maneuvers it kicks back on and throws the car out of control.

Or that could just be a poor driver’s excuse.

https://youtu.be/m0hEetKxWbU
If you want it totally off just pull the fuse.

I did that on my Genesis. Nice brake stand and a few donuts in an abandoned parking lot.

I don’t think you’d have to do that. Just switch to track apps and select line lock function. You can shred the tires for 15 seconds with the front brakes locked.

That’s why I suspect that rumor about not being able to fully turn off the TC is a poor driver’s excuse.

omarman · July 2020

First glance at that house pic looked like an artist rendering to me. Almost too nice looking. Maybe not $4 mil nice to me but location makes the difference.

If there's a breezeway separating the house and garage then why wouldn't that be a detached garage?

fintail · July 2020

The pic I posted has a typical realtor trick of a photoshop stock footage sky. It's a hilarious thing around here, listing photos with surreal sky, sometimes even the same sky on different houses. Dorks.

I think qborozen was saying his garage isn't detached - I couldn't tell if it was a big carriage house or a side/rear garage.

qbrozen · July 2020

Its not really a breezeway. I’ve heard it called that. Not sure what other name it goes by. It is part of the house but just 1 story connecting main house to garage. Here is ours on zillow. Looking at main pic, you cam see what I mean. Garage is on right, doors facing to the right. That “breezeway” contains a bathroom, laundry room, and a spare bedroom. It is between the kitchen and the garage.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2-Stone-Tavern-Dr-Millstone-Township-NJ-08510/64915430_zpid/

omarman · July 2020

Okay. Photoshop skies definitely going to get looks. I guess it's better than focusing on HOA Cynthia.

tjc78 · July 2020

qbrozen said:
Its not really a breezeway. I’ve heard it called that. Not sure what other name it goes by. It is part of the house but just 1 story connecting main house to garage. Here is ours on zillow. Looking at main pic, you cam see what I mean. Garage is on right, doors facing to the right. That “breezeway” contains a bathroom, laundry room, and a spare bedroom. It is between the kitchen and the garage.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2-Stone-Tavern-Dr-Millstone-Township-NJ-08510/64915430_zpid/

Beautiful home.

sb55 · July 2020

tjc78 said:
Look I don’t fight about much here....

BUT

It’s Pork Roll
It’s a hoagie
And there is a central Jersey

Thank you

Is Taylor Ham the same a Pork Roll? The guy who owns the local bagel shop is from Northern Jersey. He has Jersey specialties and apparently it's hard to find Taylor Ham in Vermont, but he has it.
ps. I've heard of a hoagie, but it's usually said with a certain accent:)

nyccarguy · July 2020

qbrozen said:
Its not really a breezeway. I’ve heard it called that. Not sure what other name it goes by. It is part of the house but just 1 story connecting main house to garage. Here is ours on zillow. Looking at main pic, you cam see what I mean. Garage is on right, doors facing to the right. That “breezeway” contains a bathroom, laundry room, and a spare bedroom. It is between the kitchen and the garage.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2-Stone-Tavern-Dr-Millstone-Township-NJ-08510/64915430_zpid/

Your home is gorgeous!

nyccarguy · July 2020

ab348 · July 2020

When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?

driver100 · July 2020

fintail said:
The pic I posted has a typical realtor trick of a photoshop stock footage sky. It's a hilarious thing around here, listing photos with surreal sky, sometimes even the same sky on different houses. Dorks.

I think qborozen was saying his garage isn't detached - I couldn't tell if it was a big carriage house or a side/rear garage.

I think that house would suit a fintail MB parked in that nice circular driveway. There is an idea for a business, matching the right car to your home.

kyfdx · July 2020

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?

We have a sub/pizza shop with an ethnic Italian name, locally... And, they use the term Grinders in their restaurant name. It is definitely not local here, but it must be, wherever they grew up.

driver100 · July 2020

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
Its not really a breezeway. I’ve heard it called that. Not sure what other name it goes by. It is part of the house but just 1 story connecting main house to garage. Here is ours on zillow. Looking at main pic, you cam see what I mean. Garage is on right, doors facing to the right. That “breezeway” contains a bathroom, laundry room, and a spare bedroom. It is between the kitchen and the garage.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2-Stone-Tavern-Dr-Millstone-Township-NJ-08510/64915430_zpid/
Beautiful home.

+1

driver100 · July 2020

nyccarguy said:

Car looks great....that is one that ages well, looks better with time....kinda like me

But you do live in a tiny house!

nyccarguy · July 2020

kyfdx said:

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?
We have a sub/pizza shop with an ethnic Italian name, locally... And, they use the term Grinders in their restaurant name. It is definitely not local here, but it must be, wherever they grew up.

The term Grinder is a New England thing. I grew up in NY and we call them Heroes.

explorerx4 · July 2020

I never knew what a sub was until I went away to college, always a grinder.

ab348 · July 2020

Interesting how naming that kind of sandwich a "grinder" ties in perfectly with the @jipster technique of negotiating the purchase of a new car. :laughing:

roadburner · July 2020

omarman said:
Okay. Photoshop skies definitely going to get looks. I guess it's better than focusing on HOA Cynthia.

That spot is effective because it's 99% accurate and only about 1% satire. If you've ever had to deal with HOA Brownshirts you'll realize that immediately.

snakeweasel · July 2020

omarman said:
Okay. Photoshop skies definitely going to get looks. I guess it's better than focusing on HOA Cynthia.

The one thing that bothers me about that commercial is vandalizing a mail box is a Federal offense.

tjc78 · July 2020

sb55 said:

tjc78 said:
Look I don’t fight about much here....

BUT

It’s Pork Roll
It’s a hoagie
And there is a central Jersey

Thank you
Is Taylor Ham the same a Pork Roll? The guy who owns the local bagel shop is from Northern Jersey. He has Jersey specialties and apparently it's hard to find Taylor Ham in Vermont, but he has it.
ps. I've heard of a hoagie, but it's usually said with a certain accent:)

Yes it is the same. Taylor is the original and there are several other manufacturers. Even our local supermarket chain has a house brand.

roadburner · July 2020

For those of you who don't visit CCBA- another Oxmoor(ons) dealer group story:

As most of you know, I did take a look at a Veloster N; late last year my son and I went to look at one at Oxmoor(ons) Hyundai. I'm still on their prospects list and yesterday they sent me a notice that they had a Veloster N in stock. Their advertised price is $5,000 over the MSRP of $30,745. Just for fun I asked why they were asking $5,000 over sticker. Their response?
"With the current market, the demand is high and the supply is low."

Nice try, but another Louisville Hyundai dealer has an essentially identical Veloster N advertised for $1,444 under sticker- and there are 9 more with the essential Performance Package for sale within a 100 mile radius.
It's reassuring to know that some things-like the Oxmoor(ons) dealer group-never change...

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

nyccarguy said:

Did you have to put a new battery in it? Winter before last the convertible which I store in the barn died a couple of times between monthly start ups. I put it on a tender last winter but was sure it was going to leave me stranded. Hasn’t so far.

nyccarguy · July 2020

@oldfarmer50 - Nope. Just a jump for now. I'm heading up your way this coming Monday - Thursday. We are going to Lake George for a few days.

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?

Hoagies is used out in western NY where they also call soda “pop”. Grinder is used in some places but not the chain stores like Subway. Usually you see that term used at mom&pop places. They all mean the same thing.

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

ab348 said:
Interesting how naming that kind of sandwich a "grinder" ties in perfectly with the @jipster technique of negotiating the purchase of a new car. :laughing:

That’s why he always brings a sandwich.

oldfarmer50 · July 2020

roadburner said:

omarman said:
Okay. Photoshop skies definitely going to get looks. I guess it's better than focusing on HOA Cynthia.

That spot is effective because it's 99% accurate and only about 1% satire. If you've ever had to deal with HOA Brownshirts you'll realize that immediately.

I couldn’t live like that.

graphicguy · July 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?
Hoagies is used out in western NY where they also call soda “pop”. Grinder is used in some places but not the chain stores like Subway. Usually you see that term used at mom&pop places. They all mean the same thing.

We use some of the same colloquialisms around here....we call soda pop (coke, Pepsi, et al) the shortened “Pop”. Instead of saying “I didn’t understand you”, we say “Please?”. We also know what a 3-way or a 4-way is (see www.skylinechili.com).

carnaught · July 2020

Anyone heard of sub sandwiches or grinders being called Dagwood sandwiches?

kyfdx · July 2020

carnaught said:
Anyone heard of sub sandwiches or grinders being called Dagwood sandwiches?

I always think of Dagwoods as giant double deckers

kyfdx · July 2020

This place has giant double deckers. Eat half, and take the other half home:

http://blueashchili.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/BACMenuCarryout2018.pdf

@graphicguy

abacomike · July 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?
Hoagies is used out in western NY where they also call soda “pop”. Grinder is used in some places but not the chain stores like Subway. Usually you see that term used at mom&pop places. They all mean the same thing.

I lived in NY City for 22 years and frequented the Hudson River Valley many times, but I never heard the word "grinder" referred to as a sandwich. Hero or Sub were the names of sandwiches we would buy at the German Deli for lunch hour when we were in Junior High.

When I moved to the Chicago area in 1966, Coke and Pepsi along with any other drink that was carbonated were called "pop"! Soda was a word reserved for "ice cream sodas"! I lived in the Chicago area for 23 years and was never able to call a carbonated drink "pop"! They were always sodas to me. But my wife and kids called them "pops"! I was surrounded by midwesterners who used a foreign language around me. But I did lose my NY accent and acquired a midwestern twang after 4-5 years.

I learned that Chicagoans had a word "phosphate" which referred to a chocolate soda with or without milk in it. We New Yorkers called them "egg-creams"!

When I meet people for the first time, they always ask me if I am a Midwesterner - they never take me for a New Yorker.🤓🤪😜🤓

tjc78 · July 2020

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?
Hoagies is used out in western NY where they also call soda “pop”. Grinder is used in some places but not the chain stores like Subway. Usually you see that term used at mom&pop places. They all mean the same thing.
We use some of the same colloquialisms around here....we call soda pop (coke, Pepsi, et al) the shortened “Pop”. Instead of saying “I didn’t understand you”, we say “Please?”. We also know what a 3-way or a 4-way is (see www.skylinechili.com).

I know it’s blasphemy in your neck of the woods.... but I wasn’t super impressed with Skyline.

kyfdx · July 2020

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?
Hoagies is used out in western NY where they also call soda “pop”. Grinder is used in some places but not the chain stores like Subway. Usually you see that term used at mom&pop places. They all mean the same thing.
We use some of the same colloquialisms around here....we call soda pop (coke, Pepsi, et al) the shortened “Pop”. Instead of saying “I didn’t understand you”, we say “Please?”. We also know what a 3-way or a 4-way is (see www.skylinechili.com).
I know it’s blasphemy in your neck of the woods.... but I wasn’t super impressed with Skyline.

Definitely an acquired taste. There are some smaller places that do a better job with Cincinnati style chili, I think. When my wife wants Skyline, I get a Greek salad, or a three-way baked potato.

kyfdx · July 2020

Where I grew up (Lexington, KY), we called every thing a Coke, or if generic, a soft drink.

tjc78 · July 2020

kyfdx · July 2020

LOL... we don't eat it for the looks.

tjc78 · July 2020

It’s not bad by any means, just expected it to blow me away.

I’ll add to this that I did eat most of it!

houdini1 · July 2020

driver100 said:
I was reading a review about the Tesla 3 in todays Wheels.ca section of the newspaper. They praise the car in a lot of ways this being part of the praise:

On the road, the Model 3 SR+ is smooth, quick, and surprisingly analog. Acceleration is effortless, while the car’s default regenerative braking creates the right amount of resistance for urban driving.

Where the SR+ really stomps its competition is in the way it tackles a corner. The steering is ultra precise and the car responds immediately to the slightest inputs. Give it too much throttle upon corner exit, and yes, it’ll kick out the rear the way a BMW 3-Series would, but allows you to correct its trajectory with the slightest steering inputs. It’s all executed with the utmost accuracy, enhancing the car’s driving excitement.

The 2020 Tesla Model SR+ was proving to be a much more compelling machine than we originally expected. Furthermore, we were having just as much fun driving this laptop on wheels than many gasoline-fed contraptions currently on sale. It’s a truly fantastic automobile this one.

But, then, the problems started creeping in.
These were some negatives!

At freeway speeds we heard infuriatingly loud wind noise coming from the driver’s side window. It was so bad that we had to check twice if the window was correctly fitted inside its slot.

Then, it was the car’s centre console; that large slab of cheap plastic that occupies the entire cabin’s midsection. It just wouldn’t stop cracking as the car drove over the slightest road imperfections. And don’t get us started about how flimsy the Model 3’s entire structure feels over uneven tarmac. Is this supposed to be a $53,000 luxury sedan? It sure doesn’t feel like one.

At this point it’s important to mention that Tesla doesn’t have press units for journalists to review, which forced us to turn to the Turo car sharing service. Through a mobile app, the service allows you to rent someone’s vehicle for an entire day, or even a weekend. Because this bargain basement 2020 Model 3 2020 SR+ only had 6,000 km on tap, we felt it was fitting for our test.

The cabin issues could have been forgiven considering Tesla isn’t yet a big player in this game. Indeed, kudos goes to this California-based startup for manufacturing a device so technologically advanced that it instantly makes you wonder why big-name brands haven’t gotten there first.

Unfortunately, our issues with the car didn’t stop there. Once parked at the Tesla Supercharger to juice up our battery, we took the time to properly observe our example’s build quality. We weren’t entirely surprised to notice the wrap that was protecting its body, as the Model 3 is notorious for its bad paint quality that peels off the rocker panels after a few Canadian winters.

Tesla still doesn’t offer a solution for this by the way, leaving many owners stranded with a car that’s shedding its own skin. A wrap, or, in some cases, mudguards, seem to be the best fix owners have come up with.

What we weren’t expecting were the immense panel gaps and uneven assembly on each side of the car. We spotted a rear driver side door that didn’t properly align with the body, and rubber moldings of uneven thickness around the car’s openings.

Then, another Model 3 owner pulled up next to us, and his situation was even worse than ours.

Christophe Murphy has had his Model 3 SR+ for less than a week, and he’s not a happy camper. For starters, he purchased his SR+ before June 30th, which, according to Tesla, would grant him access to free Supercharging for the first year of ownership. Yet, his car isn’t equipped with the feature. All attempts to contact Tesla on his part about this have so far failed.

Murphy then showed us his car’s build quality, which wasn’t any better than ours. We spotted an uneven passenger-side C-pillar, a driver-side mirror that doesn’t properly align with the front fender and A-pillar, and a rear door that doesn’t operate the way it should due to the way it has been fitted.

Christophe then carried on telling us that his grandfather also owns a Model 3, which is also a victim of bad paint. Within 24 hours, we had spotted three examples. And all of them had serious issues.

This brings us to the following question: if these manufacturing flaws would have appeared on any other car, would you be so forgiving? We wouldn’t, which is why although we have tremendous respect for everything that comes out of Tesla’s Fremont plant in California, and admire how the brand has reshaped the automotive landscape, we simply can’t excuse pitfalls such as these, especially in a car that’s supposedly aimed at the middle class.

I couldn't take the plunge and by one at this time.

That one long post should count as 10. Don't let them cheat you.

imidazol97 · July 2020

tjc78 said:

I know it’s blasphemy in your neck of the woods.... but I wasn’t super impressed with Skyline.

Dixie Chili is much better.
3 Northern Kentucky chili locations.
Great Mediterranean Vegetarian Vegetable soup.

https://www.dixiechili.com/index.php
Available in cans ordered online.

Our friends who grew up in Covington, Newport, Bellview,
even had us bring couple dozen cans of the chili down for them when we met in
Pigeon Forge a couple years back.

pensfan83 · July 2020

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:
When I was a kid going on vacation to Maine and the rest of New England with my folks in the late '60s/early '70s one of the head-scratching "foreign" things we encountered were signs outside convenience stores, delis and restaurants promoting the fact that they served "grinders". That was apparently referring to a type of sub sandwich in those parts. I haven't heard or seen the term used since. Is it still in the vernacular in places?
Hoagies is used out in western NY where they also call soda “pop”. Grinder is used in some places but not the chain stores like Subway. Usually you see that term used at mom&pop places. They all mean the same thing.
We use some of the same colloquialisms around here....we call soda pop (coke, Pepsi, et al) the shortened “Pop”. Instead of saying “I didn’t understand you”, we say “Please?”. We also know what a 3-way or a 4-way is (see www.skylinechili.com).
I know it’s blasphemy in your neck of the woods.... but I wasn’t super impressed with Skyline.

I'm with you, wasn't really wowed. And to show I'm impartial I'm not a big Primantis fan either, being a native Pittsburgher some of my friends can't wrap their head around that.

kyfdx · July 2020

@imidazol97

+1

Newport location is exactly 2 miles from my house.

suydam · July 2020

I’m from California. We just do not get the chili over spaghetti thing. I think you have to be from there. Also in the Midwest, the idea you could get ham at a deli kinda surprised me, till I realized that the term deli was used for any German-styled place.

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