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oldfarmer50 · January 2021

explorerx4 said:
This is about an 18 minute video, but really interesting.
If you can stick with it, it's pretty educational, at least it was to me.
Steve Lehto, if you are familiar with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGA44xKGLpU

Interesting legal theory with some basis in fact. Car companies outsource production of component parts and leave the design to third parties. Unlike in the past when they at least had captive subsidiaries like Delco where they could dictate design parameters.

That case brings up another question. I assume the faulty GM transmissions were made by an outside supplier just as Ford’s dual clutch was made by a German company. Couldn’t GM sue it’s supplier for the faulty design and then reimburse affected customers?

driver100 · January 2021

qbrozen said:

ab348 said:

explorerx4 said:
This is about an 18 minute video, but really interesting.
If you can stick with it, it's pretty educational, at least it was to me.
Steve Lehto, if you are familiar with him.
Old news, and GM has a fix (which has been applied to my ATS and many others). Lehto can be pretty annoying at times now that he is making his living from lemon law cases. He was much more interesting when he was a historian on things like the Chrysler turbine car.

In more recent news, here is a similar suit filed just this week against Ford:

https://www.classaction.org/ford-f-150-transmission-problem-lawsuit

BTW, when you search that classaction.org site for "Ford" you get a staggering 8900 results.
So I don't have to watch, can ya just tell me what the video was about?

It seems that the car makers don't want to do voluntary recalls these days. They wait until the government comes after them or a lawsuit. Why payout unless you are forced into it?

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

nyccarguy said:
We bought all GE appliances when we bought our house back in 2010. We redid the kitchen in 2015 and used the same SS GE appliances. We bought a new fridge. About 2 years after we redid the kitchen, the DW & Microwave were shot. I replaced the DW with a Kitchen Aid & the Microwave with a Whirlpool. The electric range is GE Profile and still in good shape.

I’m not happy with the GE Profile Fridge. The part between the 2 doors doesn’t close automatically. A part of the freezer handle broke off, & the drain gets clogged with ice often. We have to take everything out of the freezer & take the ice out of the bottom. It’s a pain.

Aren’t all appliances made by a few similar manufacturers in Asia. GE might spec a different door handle or shelf material but aren’t they all basically the same these days regardless of brand?

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

laurasdada said:
Mike, so sorry about your accident. I hope your recovery is swift. But, in the it could be worse department:

One month after his 87th birthday and testing Covid positive, my father passed away on Sunday. We had hope for recovery, as he moved from hospital ER to general population; then from Covid section of Rehab to non-covid section which seemed to indicate improvement. Alas, no.

My brother and I are consoling ourselves with the belief that had he recovered (and not even sure what "recovery" would have looked like), he would not have been physically able to live the life he would have wanted. Phone calls in the last week were very tough, he was emotionally quite down, saying, "This is no way to live."

RIP to a very good man.

Very sorry for your loss. I’ve seen the passing of a number of people who have said the same thing.

graphicguy · January 2021

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?

I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.

graphicguy · January 2021

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
How many "abacomikes" does it take to change a light bulb over the kitchen dinette table?
As for my head - well that's another story. I was stupid to try to do something like that. I could have really sustained significant injuries like a broken hip or skull fracture.
Sorry to hear about your injuries - it seems to be human nature to do things we shouldn't attempt,
60 second segment....Call the Guy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztF1d9V1b0I

I agree. “CALL THE GUY!”

graphicguy · January 2021

@laurasdada ....I am so very sorry to hear of your Father’s passing. My sincerest condolences.

kyfdx · January 2021

stickguy said:

explorerx4 said:
@stickguy,
The old years don't fall off the report, the newer years keep getting added on.
I get those reports every year(might be age related) and I'm pretty sure only the top 35 earning years count.
yup. I wasn't clear. I meant that my report only went up to about 35 years at the time I got it, so covered some HS and college years (I was about 53 when I got it). so every year after that was a normal salary, dropping one of the early ones off (at this point, all my counting years are from after college and working FT). Not sure though exactly how the projections work (I thought it assumed you would basically make the same as current up through your retirement date)

Correct.. the projected benefit assumes you will make the same amount as the last year recorded, until the retirement date. It would be great if they had a tool that let you make different assumptions. (i.e.: stop working now, but take benefit later).

The earliest we'll take it is at my wife's full retirement age of 66yrs/4mos. That's just over two years away. Sometime before that happens, I may pay $20 and download a full program that let's you change every variable. Most likely, we'll both wait until 70.. but, I don't mind gaming the system.

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.

How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.

snakeweasel · January 2021

ab348 said:

explorerx4 said:
This is about an 18 minute video, but really interesting.
If you can stick with it, it's pretty educational, at least it was to me.
Steve Lehto, if you are familiar with him.
Old news, and GM has a fix (which has been applied to my ATS and many others). Lehto can be pretty annoying at times now that he is making his living from lemon law cases. He was much more interesting when he was a historian on things like the Chrysler turbine car.

In more recent news, here is a similar suit filed just this week against Ford:

https://www.classaction.org/ford-f-150-transmission-problem-lawsuit

BTW, when you search that classaction.org site for "Ford" you get a staggering 8900 results.

Hasn't Letho always been a lemon law lawyer? I find most of his videos to my likening even though I think he does get long it the tooth at times.

snakeweasel · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.

You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.

snakeweasel · January 2021

Just got a phone call from the customs department telling me that they found a package in my name full of drugs and money. This is great, they can send the money to the IRS so they will stop calling.

bwia · January 2021

laurasdada said:

One month after his 87th birthday and testing Covid positive, my father passed away on Sunday. We had hope for recovery, as he moved from hospital ER to general population; then from Covid section of Rehab to non-covid section which seemed to indicate improvement. Alas, no.

RIP to a very good man.

@laurasdada, so sorry for your loss and please accept my condolences. May your father rest in eternal peace.

ab348 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:
Just got a phone call from the customs department telling me that they found a package in my name full of drugs and money. This is great, they can send the money to the IRS so they will stop calling.

Wow, such a clever scheme on your part to drive a 2011 Sonata to keep the authorities from thinking you had a basement full of cash all this time...

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.

Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

qbrozen said:

ab348 said:

explorerx4 said:
This is about an 18 minute video, but really interesting.
If you can stick with it, it's pretty educational, at least it was to me.
Steve Lehto, if you are familiar with him.
Old news, and GM has a fix (which has been applied to my ATS and many others). Lehto can be pretty annoying at times now that he is making his living from lemon law cases. He was much more interesting when he was a historian on things like the Chrysler turbine car.

In more recent news, here is a similar suit filed just this week against Ford:

https://www.classaction.org/ford-f-150-transmission-problem-lawsuit

BTW, when you search that classaction.org site for "Ford" you get a staggering 8900 results.
So I don't have to watch, can ya just tell me what the video was about?

I had nothing better to do so I watched it. OK, just about 5 minutes worth. Not at all surprised by what I saw.

You guys better hope I don’t decide to do that because with my looks and knowledge, I won’t have time for you anymore. I’d be on my private island somewhere and not waiting for @Mike to send me airfare to come fix his stuff.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:
Just got a phone call from the customs department telling me that they found a package in my name full of drugs and money. This is great, they can send the money to the IRS so they will stop calling.

Why were they calling, to see if you would break down in tears and confess your crimes? Or were they offering to split the loot with you?

snakeweasel · January 2021

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:
Just got a phone call from the customs department telling me that they found a package in my name full of drugs and money. This is great, they can send the money to the IRS so they will stop calling.
Wow, such a clever scheme on your part to drive a 2011 Sonata to keep the authorities from thinking you had a basement full of cash all this time...

Then I blew my scheme by getting the BMW.

snakeweasel · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.

I'll have to go back and read it to see if it said they spilled it or someone spilled it. If it simply reads that liquid was spilled and not who did it it wouldn't be a smoking gun.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.

Before pusuing the the Judge Judy route I’d touch base with our poster buddy and see what he thinks her ruling would be. No sense in wasting time on that without a good feeling of what the payoff would be.

jmonroe

ab348 · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

Interesting legal theory with some basis in fact. Car companies outsource production of component parts and leave the design to third parties. Unlike in the past when they at least had captive subsidiaries like Delco where they could dictate design parameters.

That case brings up another question. I assume the faulty GM transmissions were made by an outside supplier just as Ford’s dual clutch was made by a German company. Couldn’t GM sue it’s supplier for the faulty design and then reimburse affected customers?

No, the 8L45/90 transmissions in question are designed and built by GM Powertrain.

bwia · January 2021

Speaking of Covid-19, yesterday I had a chat with my nurse practitioner about the possibility of getting the Pfizer vaccine but she said that it is not likely since they don't have the proper refrigerated equipment to keep the vaccine safe. On the other hand, if I can wait another three to four weeks possibly I will get the Moderna, or better yet, the one-time shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

I don't quite understand the distribution strategy. You would think my HMO (Harvard Pilgrim) who boasts that they are the best in the State, would be well equipped to administer any form of the Covid vaccine. Since the vaccine is free I guess they might not be willing to make the necessary infrastructure investment. So much for supply chain management. All talk and no action.

bwia · January 2021

For the last 5 days I've been suffering from severe Sciatica pain. My doctor prescribed high-dose ibuprofen and Tylenol but without relief. Any suggestions or home remedies would be appreciated.

ab348 · January 2021

Here in Nova Scotia the media has deified our Chief Public Health doc (whom I know, and firmly believe he deserves no such treatment as he can be an arrogant bully). Our vaccination plan has been abysmally slow so far with only a couple of thousand health care workers fully vaccinated. Even worse, once supply improves and health-care workers and people in senior care homes get done in the initial rollout, they are moving to strictly an age-based tiered approach, with older groups going to the front of the line. Any underlying risk factors for the general population are being ignored. Seems like just a way to keep them from going to any extra effort to set priorities. I'm not expecting to be eligible until August or September.

imidazol97 · January 2021

Not sure what the "high dose" is. I believe Ibuprofen can go up to 800 mg in a doctor's dose. I'd
have to look up acetaminophen to see again. For both I'd eat with the pills AND maintain high water volume.

When I had my first attack of the infection in my tooth root, the doctor was out of office/town. The nurse suggested both acetaminphen and ibuprofen. Together. I took 600 Ibu and 400 aceta or 600 on first round. But I got relief without "borrowing" someone's stronger pain reliever. After a few hours, it was easier to maintain relief with lower dosing. Ibuprofen has a long half life of several hours IIRC, so it builds up in the blood after the first dose.

I am only reciting what I did and I recommend anyone check with their own doctor or dentist for advice.

I used stretching exercies for piriformis.
https://www.spine-health.com/video/sciatica-exercises-piriformis-syndrome-video

jmonroe1 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.
I'll have to go back and read it to see if it said they spilled it or someone spilled it. If it simply reads that liquid was spilled and not who did it it wouldn't be a smoking gun.

I’m not sure either how it was originally stated but if the car was new, wouldn’t the dealer be responsible for it condition until they sold it regardless if it was one of their employees or a prospective buyer who test drove the car? UNLESS, the buyer acknowledged the spill and accepted the car “as is” due to that spill.

With my seniority in here I’m allowed to play lawyer, right?

jmonroe

imidazol97 · January 2021

bwia said:
Speaking of Covid-19, yesterday I had a chat with my nurse practitioner about the possibility of getting the Pfizer vaccine but she said that it is not likely since they don't have the proper refrigerated equipment to keep the vaccine safe. On the other hand, if I can wait another three to four weeks possibly I will get the Moderna, or better yet, the one-time shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

I don't quite understand the distribution strategy. You would think my HMO (Harvard Pilgrim) who boasts that they are the best in the State, would be well equipped to administer any form of the Covid vaccine. Since the vaccine is free I guess they might not be willing to make the necessary infrastructure investment. So much for supply chain management. All talk and no action.

I just had that talk with my doctor this morning at my annual. He suggested waiting a couple months to see if any patterns of side effects develop, unless I felt I needed to be more protected against the cold virus than I already am.

I like the idea of the one shot vaccine as well.

I should have had an antibody test after my flu-like symptoms in July or so. Nurse says immunity only lasts for 3-4 months from having had the virus, so it's too late to determine if I had the plague or just another of the regular flu virii. If the immunity only lasts 3-4 months how do they think a vaccine's immunity will last?

venture · January 2021

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.
I'll have to go back and read it to see if it said they spilled it or someone spilled it. If it simply reads that liquid was spilled and not who did it it wouldn't be a smoking gun.
I’m not sure either how it was originally stated but if the car was new, wouldn’t the dealer be responsible for it condition until they sold it regardless if it was one of their employees or a prospective buyer who test drove the car? UNLESS, the buyer acknowledged the spill and accepted the car “as is” due to that spill.

With my seniority in here I’m allowed to play lawyer, right?

jmonroe

They had the name of the spiller listed in the PDI report. A former Sales Manager or some title like that.

fintail · January 2021

Condolences. I think you have the right mentality - he moved on at the right time. It would have been more painful seeing him in a miserable life.

My grandma, who passed away at the end of October, was similar - not COVID related, but her last week or two were really tough, her last few days were virtually not conscious. She withered away, stopped eating as I think she knew it was time. In a way I was glad she passed peacefully, in her own house, and didn't go on for ages in a venue where we wouldn't have been able to see her.

laurasdada said:
Mike, so sorry about your accident. I hope your recovery is swift. But, in the it could be worse department:

One month after his 87th birthday and testing Covid positive, my father passed away on Sunday. We had hope for recovery, as he moved from hospital ER to general population; then from Covid section of Rehab to non-covid section which seemed to indicate improvement. Alas, no.

My brother and I are consoling ourselves with the belief that had he recovered (and not even sure what "recovery" would have looked like), he would not have been physically able to live the life he would have wanted. Phone calls in the last week were very tough, he was emotionally quite down, saying, "This is no way to live."

RIP to a very good man.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

venture said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.
I'll have to go back and read it to see if it said they spilled it or someone spilled it. If it simply reads that liquid was spilled and not who did it it wouldn't be a smoking gun.
I’m not sure either how it was originally stated but if the car was new, wouldn’t the dealer be responsible for it condition until they sold it regardless if it was one of their employees or a prospective buyer who test drove the car? UNLESS, the buyer acknowledged the spill and accepted the car “as is” due to that spill.

With my seniority in here I’m allowed to play lawyer, right?

jmonroe
They had the name of the spiller listed in the PDI report. A former Sales Manager or some title like that.

Thanks, you’re right, I forgot about that. So, that being the case I don’t know how the selling dealer isn’t responsible for the fix. UNLESS, they snuck in a document that @GG unknowingly signed releasing them of the responsibility for the fix.

jmonroe

carnaught · January 2021

@laurasdada, condolences for your loss. It sounds like your dad lead a good life.

explorerx4 · January 2021

I posted the Lehto video to show the rediculous lengths some corporations will go to avoid owning up to a problem(Ford and GM cited in the video).

snakeweasel · January 2021

bwia said:
For the last 5 days I've been suffering from severe Sciatica pain. My doctor prescribed high-dose ibuprofen and Tylenol but without relief. Any suggestions or home remedies would be appreciated.

First of all only take medical advice from medical professionals. With that said I might try aspirin over Tylenol as it is also an anti-inflammatory while Tylenol is not. But I would go back to your doctor and explain to him/her that it's not working and see if s/he can provide a prescription strength anti-inflammatory drug.

snakeweasel · January 2021

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.
I'll have to go back and read it to see if it said they spilled it or someone spilled it. If it simply reads that liquid was spilled and not who did it it wouldn't be a smoking gun.
I’m not sure either how it was originally stated but if the car was new, wouldn’t the dealer be responsible for it condition until they sold it regardless if it was one of their employees or a prospective buyer who test drove the car? UNLESS, the buyer acknowledged the spill and accepted the car “as is” due to that spill.

With my seniority in here I’m allowed to play lawyer, right?

jmonroe

The question is when the spill occurred, did it happen at the seller dealership or the servicing dealership.

If the car was sold used and "as is" the buyer is out of luck regardless of if the spill was disclosed.

roadburner · January 2021

laurasdada said:
Mike, so sorry about your accident. I hope your recovery is swift. But, in the it could be worse department:

One month after his 87th birthday and testing Covid positive, my father passed away on Sunday. We had hope for recovery, as he moved from hospital ER to general population; then from Covid section of Rehab to non-covid section which seemed to indicate improvement. Alas, no.

My brother and I are consoling ourselves with the belief that had he recovered (and not even sure what "recovery" would have looked like), he would not have been physically able to live the life he would have wanted. Phone calls in the last week were very tough, he was emotionally quite down, saying, "This is no way to live."

RIP to a very good man.

I’m so sorry.

snakeweasel · January 2021

There was a 134 car pileup in Japan.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/19/one-dead-17-injured-in-134-car-pileup-in-japan/

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Interesting legal theory with some basis in fact. Car companies outsource production of component parts and leave the design to third parties. Unlike in the past when they at least had captive subsidiaries like Delco where they could dictate design parameters.

That case brings up another question. I assume the faulty GM transmissions were made by an outside supplier just as Ford’s dual clutch was made by a German company. Couldn’t GM sue it’s supplier for the faulty design and then reimburse affected customers?
No, the 8L45/90 transmissions in question are designed and built by GM Powertrain.

I did a little further reading and it seems some of the problem stems from bad programming of this highly computerized system. Some owners were able to cure the slipping and shutter by taking the truck to a tuner shop which reprogrammed the shift points.

Wasn’t that also part of the problem with the Ford dual clutch system?

Makes you wonder why they don’t hire Eddie down at the corner tune shop to program these things.

jmonroe1 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
You would have to reasonably prove that they did it. I don't think this would ever get to Judy Judy as both parties have to agree to be there.
Doesn’t GG have the smoking gun PPI document stating that they did spill something in his console? Sounds like a slam dunk even without Judge Judy.
I'll have to go back and read it to see if it said they spilled it or someone spilled it. If it simply reads that liquid was spilled and not who did it it wouldn't be a smoking gun.
I’m not sure either how it was originally stated but if the car was new, wouldn’t the dealer be responsible for it condition until they sold it regardless if it was one of their employees or a prospective buyer who test drove the car? UNLESS, the buyer acknowledged the spill and accepted the car “as is” due to that spill.

With my seniority in here I’m allowed to play lawyer, right?

jmonroe
The question is when the spill occurred, did it happen at the seller dealership or the servicing dealership.

If the car was sold used and "as is" the buyer is out of luck regardless of if the spill was disclosed.

I’m almost positive the spill occurred at the seller’s dealership. I guess @GG will have to say if the car was sold “as is” but I’d be willing to bet it wasn’t.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

bwia said:
Speaking of Covid-19, yesterday I had a chat with my nurse practitioner about the possibility of getting the Pfizer vaccine but she said that it is not likely since they don't have the proper refrigerated equipment to keep the vaccine safe. On the other hand, if I can wait another three to four weeks possibly I will get the Moderna, or better yet, the one-time shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

I don't quite understand the distribution strategy. You would think my HMO (Harvard Pilgrim) who boasts that they are the best in the State, would be well equipped to administer any form of the Covid vaccine. Since the vaccine is free I guess they might not be willing to make the necessary infrastructure investment. So much for supply chain management. All talk and no action.

That is puzzling. Why can the local supermarket set up for vaccinations but my own doctor can’t?

kyfdx · January 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

bwia said:
Speaking of Covid-19, yesterday I had a chat with my nurse practitioner about the possibility of getting the Pfizer vaccine but she said that it is not likely since they don't have the proper refrigerated equipment to keep the vaccine safe. On the other hand, if I can wait another three to four weeks possibly I will get the Moderna, or better yet, the one-time shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

I don't quite understand the distribution strategy. You would think my HMO (Harvard Pilgrim) who boasts that they are the best in the State, would be well equipped to administer any form of the Covid vaccine. Since the vaccine is free I guess they might not be willing to make the necessary infrastructure investment. So much for supply chain management. All talk and no action.
That is puzzling. Why can the local supermarket set up for vaccinations but my own doctor can’t?

Your local doctor doesn't get the vaccine doses, so that his patients can't "jump the line".

driver100 · January 2021

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.

Since the Selling Dealer admitted to the spilt drink....even had the guys name they are responsible. A problem with small claims court could be the $5000 limit or whatever it is.....the damage may be even more down the road.

This is definitely a dealer situation, not the fault of KIA Corp.

The Service Dealer should make the repairs to the console, but only if KIA Corporate has OK'd the repair. They may not have admitted there is a problem yet, and may not have made an official recall.

driver100 · January 2021

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
So what now, GG? They certainly aren't going to do anything as long as you have the car in your possession. Have you sent corporate the evidence of dealer negligence (the record of spillage)?
I did. I sent Kia Corporate a copy of the PDI where it was spelled out what happened while they were getting the car prepped.

Either Kia corporate holds no sway with their dealers, or the selling dealer is that obstinate. I understand Kia corporate stating....”we didn’t do it....not our problem”. Although, not sure what that nets them.

Servicing dealer? I get where they’re coming from, too. They’re only going to do the service that Kia will reimburse them for. They’re already out the cost of replacing the console, in the hopes that Kia would reimburse them under warranty.

The selling dealer? I should know better. I dealt with them at their Cadillac store. Nothing’s changed.

I’ll continue to be a huge PITA to them. Either I’ll take them to BBB Autoline, arbitration or they’ll fix it. Their choice. Arbitration costs me nothing....even if I lose. They’ll have to serve up at least a tech person and a lawyer to represent them.
How about a small claims court suit against the selling dealer for damaging your car in the first place? Maybe threaten to take it on Judge Judy and embarrass them.
Before pusuing the the Judge Judy route I’d touch base with our poster buddy and see what he thinks her ruling would be. No sense in wasting time on that without a good feeling of what the payoff would be.

jmonroe

My official opinion is that Judge Judy would decide in GG's favor....against the Selling Dealer who made the error, and the proof is in the report. I doubt if an almost new car would be sold "as is", but even then I have seen them settle in the buyers favor if there was something misstated or if something was known but not reported to the potential buyer.
And that is my verdict!

oldfarmer50 · January 2021

bwia said:
For the last 5 days I've been suffering from severe Sciatica pain. My doctor prescribed high-dose ibuprofen and Tylenol but without relief. Any suggestions or home remedies would be appreciated.

Wow, you must be in severe pain to come seeking medical advice from this crew. You’re likely to be prescribed buying a new car with comfy seats.

But if you’re real desperate for advice I can offer my own personal experience. When I was young and stupid I tried to flip a 500lb slab of slate paver and tore some tendons in my lower back. Months later I still had sciatica. I finally tried doing some toe touching exercises and that seemed to take care of it.

If you don’t have any underlying spinal issues you might want to ask a PT if that’s right for you.

Just remember, free advice is worth every penny you pay.

stickguy · January 2021

I had sciatica a few years ago. woke up in the middle of the night in so much pain, I honestly thought I was having a heart attack. Came out of nowhere.

did see the doctor to diagnose, and he prescribed a higher dose pain reliever (can't remember which,, but non-narcotic. so high test OTC?) and I took one of the others too. I recall reading at the time that a combo of tylenol and advil (whatever the alternative medicine is) worked the best, since they did different things.

carnaught · January 2021

@bwia, not necessarily advice for you but a multi-pronged approach has worked for me. I’ve done exercises stretching the piriformis muscle, a personal TENS unit, infrared heat lamp and an inversion table 3 times a week for about 15’ each time. Although I believe acupuncture can be an effective modality, after multiple sessions with a competent provider, we mutually agreed it was probably not going to work for me. I still get some pain occasionally but I have not needed anything invasive done and do not require any meds. Physical therapy is fine for some but essentially I did it myself through what I’ve described.

Watch too much NSAIDs and Tylenol because of kidney and liver toxicity, and aspirin for stomach lining ulcers and GI bleeding.

ab348 · January 2021

snakeweasel said:

First of all only take medical advice from medical professionals. With that said I might try aspirin over Tylenol as it is also an anti-inflammatory while Tylenol is not. But I would go back to your doctor and explain to him/her that it's not working and see if s/he can provide a prescription strength anti-inflammatory drug.

This has nothing to do with sciatica but you mentioned aspirin.

Ever since I was first diagnosed with heart issues in the 1980s I had been taking an aspirin a day, either 325mg at first or later on low-dose, until I was put on a different medication last year and was advised to stop the aspirin entirely because of side effects. Every doctor I spoke to prior to that med change advised it. Even the cardiac surgeon who did my bypass a dozen years ago told me he took a 325 every day just for safety. I discovered a few years later that he subsequently had a heart attack himself. He was thin as a rail so I guess it may have been stress-related. Oh well...

This week I got a newsletter in the mail from the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation. I was surprised to see a piece there saying that aspirin as preventive therapy is no longer recommended due to side effects. I had not heard that previously. I wonder how many people who followed the original advice experienced problems. I still see TV ads for Bayer advising people to carry aspirin with them at all times and to chew 2 of them of they experience symptoms that might be a heart attack.

abacomike · January 2021

I was on the phone with my brother this afternoon and he told me he is quarantined for 12 days because the receptionist at his dentist’s office tested positive for COVID-19. He was there Monday for some dental work. He said everyone at the office was wearing a mask.

He had his first dose of the Moderna vaccine an hour before going to the dentist which will not protect him if he came in direct contact with the virus.

I sure hope he’ll be OK!🤓

snakeweasel · January 2021

Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.

nyccarguy · January 2021

snakeweasel said:
Well today I completed my 60th trip around the sun. Had a nice dinner at home with she who must be obeyed with a great spiced apple wine from a local winery we frequent.

Happy Birthday @snakeweasel

roadburner · January 2021

My son gave me a nice birthday present- a detailed model of a DTM M4- now occupying a place of honor on my office desk; he also gave me the 507 a couple of years ago...

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