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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,792
    Wow. The continental kit looks awful, and it's even in a period environment. Good seating there, though, especially for the location: Get yourself some nice, cold ice cream, then go sit on the plateau-like continental bumper.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    Continental kit is on a 61 Starliner - don't think I have seen a period pic of one so equipped. Not something I'd choose either. Car backing up (or pulling in) at far left appears to be another fullsize 61 Ford.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,815
    Falcon sedan, and wagon!

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  • Lostwrench3Lostwrench3 Member Posts: 834
    1952 Plymouth.
    Ah, Wall Drug. Been there, done that. Amusing signs along the highway, "200 miles to Wall Drug", "150 miles to Wall Drug", "100 miles to Wall Drug", etc. Fun stuff.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    I don't think I've ever seen a '61 Ford w a "Continental" either. I guess it's like those 1980s Caddys with landau irons on their faux convertible roofs and sometimes the outside spare.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    Turns out it was a factory option!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    I notice that brochure mentions the tire actually stays in the trunk - I thought the tire was in the continental kit. I like a lot of the design of that era, but that one just makes me shake my head.
  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,675
    Does the Continental kit swing away to allow access to the trunk or is it fixed and in your way when trying to utilize the trunk?

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  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,414
    I’m really surprised the Sport Spare Wheel Carrier doesn’t carry the spare tire! Maybe that’s why it’s not called a Continental Kit.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    Looks like a bookshelf, does nothing, what's not to like?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    A real car in real time with a continental kit. Rare, at least rare in the midwest where I grew up.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    edited March 2021
    These are a bit old for most of us but I know most by make at least>

    Blows up via view image


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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,815
    Jeepster center front.

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  • Lostwrench3Lostwrench3 Member Posts: 834
    1951 Frazer.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    To the right of the Jeepster is a 47 Mercury convertible
    Left of the Frazer is a circa 49 Studebaker
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    A bunch of 1960 Ford pics posted HERE for the many fans of this model, in 2 posts.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    The trucks peeking from the back are all Dodges including a panel van (under the word "best" but the one with the smaller windshield under the "M" is one of early Power Wagons based on the Dodge WC military trucks in WWII.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    edited March 2021
    Next to the Jeepster, 47-48 Mercury convertible.

    Edit missed magnette's post, then I'll pick off the 46 Ford sedan on the other side of the Jeepster.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited March 2021
    Above Fintail's 46 Ford is a sedan which I think is a 54 Dodge Royal - its under the MUN of MUNSON
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    edited March 2021
    andys120 said:

    I don't think I've ever seen a '61 Ford w a "Continental" either. I guess it's like those 1980s Caddys with landau irons on their faux convertible roofs and sometimes the outside spare.

    My irritation is that many of the late 50's and early 60's vehicles get the spare tire continental kits or sport kits or whatever when they didn't have them originally. Typically it's an older guy (of which I am one) sitting in his chair with his car and his buddies at a cruise in feeling very self-fulfilled that his car has all the added options that were in the catalogue but didn't come from the factory that way.

    I like to see cars as they originally, typically were when I saw them long, long ago. A 61 Ford with a Continental kit I had never seen either. Same for a 1960 Ford with one. But they're on the classic car cruise in and show circuit here in W Ohio and E Indiana.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    texases said:

    Looks like a bookshelf, does nothing, what's not to like?

    Pretty well sums it up.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited March 2021
    @imidazol97 said;
    ..... I like to see cars as they originally were....

    I'm with you on that too - we don't see too many continental kits in Britain other than on imported US cars although the mid fifties Ford Consul / Zephyr / Zodiac ranges actually had them as options when new here and I suspect more have them now at car shows than had them new !

    Also parking here is an issue as anyone importing a 50's full size sedan would need a lot of space for it even without another foot or more overhang at the rear.

    It also affects cars like the PA Vauxhall Cresta which is of course very American looking and quite large by our standards although I don't recall those being fitted when I was a kid, but external spare wheels tend otherwise only to be on sports cars like Morgans and MG's of the day, or our own miniature American - the Metropolitan - but they were actually designed that way.

    I suppose people want to jazz up their restored cars which is fair enough but even whitewalls were not as common here for most cars - it's ok for a finned Sunbeam Rapier perhaps but would look ridiculous on sober looking old fashioned saloons like my Magnette, in my opinion. Imagine a white walled Morris Minor

    However I can remember my mum suggesting to my dad that the sort of stripes that they had on "Starsky & Hutch's" Torino would improve the family saloon and make it more noticeable. She would have been right in a way - it was, at the time, a Wolseley...

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Nice - I think that script on the front wing would make it a 356 Carrera A from about 1957 but the detailed changes of Porsches defeat me really...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    edited March 2021
    magnette said:

    Nice - I think that script on the front wing would make it a 356 Carrera A from about 1957 but the detailed changes of Porsches defeat me really...

    I'm afraid you're just a little off. The script reads "Continental"
    . The 1955 Porsche 356 Continental was ordered by Porsche's US importer Max Hoffman as a fancied-up version to appeal to US customers. The 356A emerged later that year so the Continental was the last of what was what's now known in Porsche circles as a "356pre-A".

    The Continental name disappeared quickly after Ford Motor made a fuss about it. From a different angle you can make out the bent one piece front glass that distinguishes the late 356A Pre-A from the earler (1950-54) cars with two piece divided front glass.




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  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,675
    imidazol97 said:

    andys120 said:

    I don't think I've ever seen a '61 Ford w a "Continental" either. I guess it's like those 1980s Caddys with landau irons on their faux convertible roofs and sometimes the outside spare.

    My irritation is that many of the late 50's and early 60's vehicles get the spare tire continental kits or sport kits or whatever when they didn't have them originally. Typically it's an older guy (of which I am one) sitting in his chair with his car and his buddies at a cruise in feeling very self-fulfilled that his car has all the added options that were in the catalogue but didn't come from the factory that way.

    I like to see cars as they originally, typically were when I saw them long, long ago. A 61 Ford with a Continental kit I had never seen either. Same for a 1960 Ford with one. But they're on the classic car cruise in and show circuit here in W Ohio and E Indiana.
    I prefer to see them as they were originally equipped or with minimal additions. I do prefer o.e. correct full wheel covers and period correct whitewalls over blackwalls and dog dish hub caps.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited March 2021
    Fair enough - I had never heard of the Porsche Continental but there must have been similar 'specials' created by other importers in N America too

    At least they couldn't confuse the Porsche with the Lincoln Continental I suppose...

    Going right back to the Ford Model A we had different Fords which were different, to avoid the tariffs applicable to the original A type - I think they were called an AB or something and had a smaller engine to avoid the extra duty on anything rated over 20hp.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    That is a lovely example of a 356. When I looked at the BaT listing earlier today it was already bid to $150K with 12 days still to run. I freely admit I don't understand the culture of these, but to nobody's surprise the comments are already filling up with entries about what's not correct about this one.

    Last week a Honda S2000 sold for over $60K on BaT so who knows what this might bring.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    edited March 2021
    Speaking of oddball factory specials, I never heard of this one:

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    edited March 2021
    magnette said:

    Fair enough - I had never heard of the Porsche Continental but there must have been similar 'specials' created by other importers in N America too

    For much of the 1950s Austian-born Max Hoffman had a near monopoly on the importation and distribution of imported European autos. He was the original importer for Volkswagen, Mercedes, Alfa-Romeo, Jaguar and others.
    Hoffman was a fountain of ideas for special versions that he thought would increase their appeal to the US market. The Alfa Giulietta Spider, M-B 300SL Gullwing, BMW 2002, and Porsche Speedster were all based on Hoffman's ideas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hoffman

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    texases said:

    Speaking of oddball factory specials, I never heard of this one:

    Look like a late Chevy Cosworth Twin cam-Vega Wagon. I think the wagons were pretty rare.


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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited March 2021
    Didn't the basic version of that Vega sell as a Kammwagon ?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,815
    they Kammback they called it.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    None of the above...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    Vega Nomad.

    I spotted one in the wild many years ago:



  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    Yep, the one-year option (1976) Vega Nomad. You can buy a ROUGH one for $5,500, if you like it:
    https://jalopnik.com/at-5-500-is-this-1976-chevy-vega-nomad-a-deal-so-good-1846473815
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 269,212
    Was the Kammback a VW?

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    As far as I know 'Kammback' is kind of a general term applied to cars with the rear end cut off nearly vertical. It got its start when a German aerodynamicist found out that was an efficient way to go:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammback
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Another Kammback:
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    texases said:

    As far as I know 'Kammback' is kind of a general term applied to cars with the rear end cut off nearly vertical. It got its start when a German aerodynamicist found out that was an efficient way to go:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammback

    jYes it started in the early 60s with endurance racing sportscars. One of the first was the awesome Ferrari 250 GTO.



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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Didn't that Vega sell as a Kammwagon ?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    Yep that AMC Eagle was even marketed as a "Kammback" by the maker. Here's a page from a 1981 brochure showing the lineup:

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    Vega was also marketed as a Kammback:

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    The Vega Nomad apparently never made it to a brochure, but in '76 the Cabriolet did:

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    edited March 2021
    Imagine if the Vega had a decent engine from day 1, they were pretty good otherwise. That panel van looks like a great vehicle for a small shop.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    The '76 brochure talks about the newly branded "Dura-Built" engine, with its iron-coated aluminum pistons, new hydraulic lifters and new oil returns in the engine. They mention the piston treatment should reduce bore scuffing. Also some other changes under the hood. Still the same aluminum block 2300 but now with a 5/50 warranty. By '76 maybe they finally got it right.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Yes - you need to have royalties from Dark Side of The Moon to get a 250 GTO so not on my shopping list this year...
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 266,235
    magnette said:

    Yes - you need to have royalties from Dark Side of The Moon to get a 250 GTO so not on my shopping list this year...

    ... or any year.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    That would be GM tradition, getting it right just before the model is axed.

    Old Ferraris are cool, but even if I had the required 8 figures to play with, I wouldn't do that.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    magnette said:

    Yes - you need to have royalties from Dark Side of The Moon to get a 250 GTO so not on my shopping list this year...

    Well, at least Nick didn't waste his royalties on fast women and cars. :D

    I understand he paid a mere £37,000 for the GTO back in the '70s. A nice appreciation on that.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470
    Here's a shot of Pacific Palisades, CA in 1962:


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