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qbrozen · July 2021

59% RV on the 48/10k.
Not worth making the change.

xwesx · July 2021

mjfloyd1 said:
Second Sahara 4xe ordered today.

Sting grey

Saddle interior

Proximity key

Cold weather

Safety

Advanced safety

Black hard top

All weather mats

Welcome to the world, little Tooksy.

stickguy · July 2021

speaking of Wranglers, my daughter is home this week and a friend that works with her picked her up (since I don't have a car to loan her!) and they went into the office together. Saw her new (couple months maybe) Wrangler. dark grey Sport 4 door. Fabric roof. Nice looking. Tall. She seems to like it.

nyccarguy · July 2021

I was sitting in traffic on my way home tonight & BAM! A guy in a 2016 CRV Rear Ended me. I’m ok. He’s ok. We exchanged information. I’m going to take it in tomorrow for an estimate.

We were stopped. I always leave room in front of me. I let off the brake pedal to when I saw the guy in front of me start to go. The guy behind me must have let off the brake and hit the gas. I stood on the brake pedal to make sure I didn’t hit the guy in front of me.

Damage to my truck doesn’t look extensive, but it felt a little wobbly driving home.

explorerx4 · July 2021

@nyccarguy,
Sorry to hear about your accident. That's why people leave the hitch bar and ball in the receiver.

xwesx · July 2021

Bummer, @nyccarguy . Good news that all are okay!

And, about the receiver and ball... those people are complete asshats.

explorerx4 · July 2021

@xwesx,
I agree, but it does work out occasionally. I have never done that.

nyccarguy · July 2021

@xwesx said:
Bummer, @nyccarguy . Good news that all are okay!

And, about the receiver and ball... those people are complete asshats.

At the end of the day, neither he nor I got hurt. That’s the most important thing.

henryn · July 2021

I never keep the ball mount in the trailer hitch unless I am about to use it for towing a trailer, or to hook up a tow strap and pull someone out of a ditch. When I kept a tool box on my truck many years ago, I always had a ball mount in the tool box. These days the ball mount is in the garage, and gets used maybe 2 or 3 times a year. It’s nice to have when you need it, but that just isn’t very often and that extra foot or so sticking out is just asking for trouble.

I have never used Apple CarPlay as I don't have an iPhone, and never will. I joked about oldfarmer holding a grudge against Volkswagen, but that's nothing compared to my grudge against Steve Jobs and Apple.

I played with Android Auto in my 2018 F150 one time, and never tried it again. I'm pretty sure this Pacifica has Android Auto, but I'm rather unlikely to ever try it. I don't need it, so why bother? That 2018 F150 had built in navigation, I tried it once and it was screwy so I ignored it after that. When the truck was about a year old, I had a recall for the safety belt tensioner and I took the truck in for that and remembered to ask them to look at the Nav. I didn't really expect them to do anything, on my previous Fords they never fixed any of the electronic gremlins. But this time they surprised me, replaced the entire unit, and afterwards it did work. After seeing that it did work, I proceeded to ignore it for the next two years until I sold the truck.

I usually know where I'm going and don't need some voice telling me to turn left in 200 yards. I have gotten lost, it's rare but it happens. I just pull off the road, get out my phone for Google Maps, figure out where I went wrong, and then take off again. Still better than having some voice tell me where to go. If I wanted that, I could just get married again.

stickguy · July 2021

I can't really even see the damage in that picture so hopefully it is an easy fix. At least it should go on his insurance if you go that way, not yours.

Sandman6472 · July 2021

Glad no one got hurt, auto's can always be repaired...that's the main thing. Glad he took responsibility as some folks will out & out lie but a good cop usually can tell who hit who. Always respect folks who cause the accident & then take responsibility, shows they were brought up correctly! Also says a lot about their character. Hate when one watches and an accident happens and they're helpless to stop it!

sda · July 2021

Maybe it’s the angle of how the picture was taken, it looks like the hitch receiver is twisted down a little. Hopefully the frame didn’t get tweaked. Glad no injuries.

benjaminh · July 2021

@nyccarguy Bummer. But good to hear everyone is okay.

https://www.wardsauto.com/dealers/build-order-gains-momentum-long-last

"Today’s build-to-order is more efficient and faster than before. That’s because the process has become much more digitalized, starting with the submitted order going immediately to the auto factory.

Modern flexible manufacturing makes it easier for automakers to build a vehicle to customer specifications. Such products are no longer considered assembly-line deviations.

Instead, the auto plant’s computer operating system ensures specific parts and equipment are delivered in a timely manner to the different points along the assembly line.

The process has become so technologically advanced that automakers such as Ford now urge consumers to use it.

“There’s a huge potential for it,” says Ben Robertattio, a vice president at Foy Linnihan, an ad agency with dealer clients.

Sandman6472 · July 2021

Will keep a look out for anymore oil leaks going forward and if none, will have it all checked at the next synthetic oil change. Luckily, we don't take it out of town much and when we do go to Orlando in October, we're taking the kids Accent as she & the wife like to go exploring and they won't do that if I take my Golf.
Was looking at a brand new Toyota Corolla hatchback at work today and they all have a $3995 market adjustment fee on them. The hatch came out to just over $30K!!! Now seriously, who in their right mind will pay that price for a Toyota Corolla hatchback? Great color, dark gray over gray, but hell, no way I'd pay that much...it's only worth invoice to me at any time. Looks like the Golf ain't going nowhere until this market quiets down again...and am happy that I'm not in any hurry. I'll be more than happy to wait until the Corolla Cross is in it's second year if need be. But doubt that will happen since I suspect that these ridiculous market adjustment fees will disappear once the chip situation is over. But just had to laugh and shake my head at such a ridiculous fee added to all their vehicles!!

roadburner · July 2021

nyccarguy said:
I was sitting in traffic on my way home tonight & BAM! A guy in a 2016 CRV Rear Ended me. I’m ok. He’s ok. We exchanged information. I’m going to take it in tomorrow for an estimate.

We were stopped. I always leave room in front of me. I let off the brake pedal to when I saw the guy in front of me start to go. The guy behind me must have let off the brake and hit the gas. I stood on the brake pedal to make sure I didn’t hit the guy in front of me.

Damage to my truck doesn’t look extensive, but it felt a little wobbly driving home.

I hate inattentive morons.

roadburner · July 2021

Sandman6472 said:
Will keep a look out for anymore oil leaks going forward and if none, will have it all checked at the next synthetic oil change. Luckily, we don't take it out of town much and when we do go to Orlando in October, we're taking the kids Accent as she & the wife like to go exploring and they won't do that if I take my Golf.
Was looking at a brand new Toyota Corolla hatchback at work today and they all have a $3995 market adjustment fee on them. The hatch came out to just over $30K!!! Now seriously, who in their right mind will pay that price for a Toyota Corolla hatchback? Great color, dark gray over gray, but hell, no way I'd pay that much...it's only worth invoice to me at any time. Looks like the Golf ain't going nowhere until this market quiets down again...and am happy that I'm not in any hurry. I'll be more than happy to wait until the Corolla Cross is in it's second year if need be. But doubt that will happen since I suspect that these ridiculous market adjustment fees will disappear once the chip situation is over. But just had to laugh and shake my head at such a ridiculous fee added to all their vehicles!!

I wouldn't buy a new Corolla if the the dealer subtracted $3995 off MSRP.

mjfloyd1 · July 2021

@xwesx said:
Welcome to the world, little Tooksy.

I’m starting to like you, my dude

Sandman6472 · July 2021

Just saw another video about the new 2022 Corolla Cross and if all works out, think this will be my next new vehicle! Still want to check out the new Chevy Bolt but think I'm going to go back to Toyota after so many years. My last Corolla was the white 1966 one I bought used in 1997 and one that I really did like. By that time, really needed a 4-door vehicle as the kids were all getting bigger and my 1988 Corolla FX hatch wasn't working for us anymore as a family mover on the weekends. Even though I got a 1996 model in 1997, it only had about 15K on the clock so it still ad warranty left. Do remember that after I signed the paperwork and picked it up at the Delray Beach Saturn dealer, came right over to the Toyota store I work at now to get a rear power window accuator replaced as the power window didn't work. Was done for free since it still had warranty left which is what I wanted, a vehicle with some warranty left. Got a feeling it might have been an ex-rental but was never able to find that information. Just remember how nice it drove and how economical it was. I really want that feeling again which is why I'll probably end up with the Corolla Cross.
Takes me awhile to finally find a vehicle that I like enough to purchase, but when I do find it, usually have one within a week. Never buy it & bring it home that same day as I like to drive it & think about it overnight to make sure I'm doing the right thing. Once I see the color choices, I'll know pretty quickly what color I have to get and then, I'll either buy it or maybe lease it. Just has to depend on the numbers as we've never leased yet so it's all new to us. Plus, I just might end up financing this vehicle as I don't want to upset my portfolio that much by making such a large cash purchase. Much easier to pay it off monthly as long as the rate is pretty low, pay it from my monthly dividends, but can do the same thing if we in fact do lease one.
Like the fact that it sits a little higher also so egress/ingress will be much easier. My spinal issues make this something I really want to have again just like I did with that 2014 Hyundai Tucson I owned for a nano second it seems. Was the perfect height, was just the wrong size. Think the size of this Corolla Cross will be almost perfect as it slots right below the Rav4, and that's a vehicle I'd love to own but it's just also a bit to big. Know that this new Corolla Cross will be the perfect size with the perfect height and the perfect mpg's that I'm looking for. Add to that Toyota's reputation for "cheap to keep", and I think I've got a winner here as my next new vehicle! And I know I'll be happy to stop talking about it and finally doing it!!! It's been a long time coming.

oldfarmer50 · July 2021

benjaminh said:

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2021/06/opinion-nissan-definitely-no-longer-cares-about-the-maxima/

"I can only conclude that Nissan no longer cares about its 4DSC. There’s no effort here in materials or build quality or any recollection of the end goal: an exciting sporty sedan. It’s slapdash and dated, and nobody should buy one. But perhaps that’s why they’re Enterprise fodder now."

LOL, Enterprise has many more Altimas than it does Maximas.

qbrozen · July 2021

roadburner said:

I wouldn't buy a new Corolla if the the dealer subtracted $3995 off MSRP.

I wouldn't drive one if they paid me $3995 to do so.

mjfloyd1 · July 2021

A 1966 Toyota still had warranty in 1997???? I’m guessing it was a 1976

roadburner · July 2021

qbrozen said:

roadburner said:

I wouldn't buy a new Corolla if the the dealer subtracted $3995 off MSRP.
I wouldn't drive one if they paid me $3995 to do so.

For me that applies to every new Toyota save the 86, Supra 3.0, and their trucks.

oldfarmer50 · July 2021

nyccarguy said:
I was sitting in traffic on my way home tonight & BAM! A guy in a 2016 CRV Rear Ended me. I’m ok. He’s ok. We exchanged information. I’m going to take it in tomorrow for an estimate.

We were stopped. I always leave room in front of me. I let off the brake pedal to when I saw the guy in front of me start to go. The guy behind me must have let off the brake and hit the gas. I stood on the brake pedal to make sure I didn’t hit the guy in front of me.

Damage to my truck doesn’t look extensive, but it felt a little wobbly driving home.

Glad you’re ok. That bumper looks tweaked. I wonder what damage occurred to the support structure.

jpp75 · July 2021

Thanks everyone for the congrats on the Defender, it's a great vehicle all around.

I've never owned a black vehicle and said I never would, but when it's the only one available until December you realize you can make some sacrifices (especially when you know it's not forever).

jpp75 · July 2021

@nyccarguy Ugh, that sucks on your Tacoma, hopefully there's not damage hiding underneath.

oldfarmer50 · July 2021

benjaminh said:
@nyccarguy Bummer. But good to hear everyone is okay.

https://www.wardsauto.com/dealers/build-order-gains-momentum-long-last

"Today’s build-to-order is more efficient and faster than before. That’s because the process has become much more digitalized, starting with the submitted order going immediately to the auto factory.

Modern flexible manufacturing makes it easier for automakers to build a vehicle to customer specifications. Such products are no longer considered assembly-line deviations.

Instead, the auto plant’s computer operating system ensures specific parts and equipment are delivered in a timely manner to the different points along the assembly line.

The process has become so technologically advanced that automakers such as Ford now urge consumers to use it.

“There’s a huge potential for it,” says Ben Robertattio, a vice president at Foy Linnihan, an ad agency with dealer clients.

The inability to custom order has frustrated me for a long time. I constantly get told that the best deal is on in-stock inventory and ordering a car with the opinions I like will be more expensive. I’m glad that the attitude is changing.

corvette · July 2021

explorerx4 said:
I posted the 4xe drag race video a few days ago, but hey it happens.

1/8th mile definitely favors the hybrid. I'm betting most of those other vehicles would have walked the Wrangler in the quarter.

corvette · July 2021

henryn said:

I usually know where I'm going and don't need some voice telling me to turn left in 200 yards. I have gotten lost, it's rare but it happens. I just pull off the road, get out my phone for Google Maps, figure out where I went wrong, and then take off again. Still better than having some voice tell me where to go. If I wanted that, I could just get married again.

I'm a huge fan of Waze, even when I know exactly where I'm going, because it will reroute you to avoid traffic. It's saved me from getting mired in traffic at a dead stop on the interstate more times than I can count. And any navigation system is handy when you are traveling in an unfamiliar city, or an unfamiliar area of your own city. I've made the executive decision to veto its guidance many times, and more often than not, that has resulted in getting stuck in stopped traffic.

I like CarPlay, but could live without it, so long as the audio system has an aux input or USB input.

stickguy · July 2021

Sandy, they can ask anything. doesn't mean they are going to get it. This crazy market won't last forever so as long as you can wait a few months should be better.

but might as well drive it anyway, at least see if you like it and want to wait. Though it is longer than your self imposed length limit so better bring it home and try it out in the garage. 175.6"

henryn · July 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:
@nyccarguy Bummer. But good to hear everyone is okay.

https://www.wardsauto.com/dealers/build-order-gains-momentum-long-last

"Today’s build-to-order is more efficient and faster than before. That’s because the process has become much more digitalized, starting with the submitted order going immediately to the auto factory.

Modern flexible manufacturing makes it easier for automakers to build a vehicle to customer specifications. Such products are no longer considered assembly-line deviations.

Instead, the auto plant’s computer operating system ensures specific parts and equipment are delivered in a timely manner to the different points along the assembly line.

The process has become so technologically advanced that automakers such as Ford now urge consumers to use it.

“There’s a huge potential for it,” says Ben Robertattio, a vice president at Foy Linnihan, an ad agency with dealer clients.
The inability to custom order has frustrated me for a long time. I constantly get told that the best deal is on in-stock inventory and ordering a car with the opinions I like will be more expensive. I’m glad that the attitude is changing.

During ordinary times (not the present madness), many of the incentives on new cars and trucks are tied to buying from dealer inventory. When I purchased my 2018 F150, the price was very near $10k under MSRP. Around half of that ($5k) was factory incentives, the other half was dealer discount. The same thing was true for the last 4 new trucks I purchased before that (2 Chevy and 2 Ford). In all cases, the factory incentives were for the most part tied to buying from dealer inventory, not special order.

So if the present madness ends, and we go back to the way it was, then it's going to cost you a LOT of money to special order. At least on some models. Now some cars sell for very close to MSRP, without a lot of factory incentives, and on those ordering might not cost you much if anything. The Maverick looks like one of those exceptions.

corvette · July 2021

A friend recently posted a 2021 Wrangler with a ton of aftermarket equipment and 2,000 miles for sale. Asking over $70k. I'm assuming it was a case of buyer's remorse. Another friend asked me about it and I had to explain what we've discussed many times here--I don't know the specific reasons they are getting rid of it, but many people buy Wranglers thinking they drive like any other pickup and SUVs, only to be disappointed that they are not as optimized for on-road comfort as they had hoped, etc.

henryn · July 2021

The insanity continues (used Wrangler for over $70k). Every time we think there might be a sign of returning normality, BANG, another mark for the madness.

corvette · July 2021

Maverick First Look
"...eight standard tie-downs and cleats (two of which double as bottle openers), built-in threaded holes, 12-anchor points, and slots stamped into the side of the bed, Ford says owners can 'create segmented storage, elevated floors, bike and kayak racks, and more' in their Maverick."

"'Ford Integrated Tether System' slots in the back-seat area. Found at the back of the center console and underneath the rear bench, items including cupholders, trash bins, grocery-bag hooks, and storage dividers will be available. Ford also says it's working to publish the slot geometry so people can 3-D-print their own FITS accessories. Elsewhere, the front door pockets are sized to fit 1-liter water bottles and smaller laptops or tablets, and the rear under-seat storage is said to be large enough for laptop bags, rollerblades, and, strangely, a fully inflated volleyball..."

"...tons of storage cubbies, and mixed materials on the dash and doors, all designed to be easy to wipe down and clean."

Does this sound like the OG Honda Element to anyone else, just with a bed instead of a cargo area?

roadburner · July 2021

I've driven my TJ quite a bit over the last few days. Maybe I'll eventually tire of it but after 19 years of ownership I kind of doubt it.

stickguy · July 2021

The Maverick does seem to have a lot of clever design details. Now I just want to see how it actually drives. who knows how long it will be before that is possible (short of ordering one just so you can test drive it before finalizing)

nyccarguy · July 2021

@sda said:
Maybe it’s the angle of how the picture was taken, it looks like the hitch receiver is twisted down a little. Hopefully the frame didn’t get tweaked. Glad no injuries.

That’s it. Right on the nose.

corvette · July 2021

stickguy said:
The Maverick does seem to have a lot of clever design details. Now I just want to see how it actually drives. who knows how long it will be before that is possible (short of ordering one just so you can test drive it before finalizing)

I tried to Google the embargo date for reviews to be released, and I can only assume that not only are the reviews embargoed, but the embargo date itself is also considered a state secret.

henryn · July 2021

I've already started the ordering process for a Maverick, now I just have to go by the dealer to finalize. WTH, what do I have to lose?

tjc78 · July 2021

@roadburner said:
For me that applies to every new Toyota save the 86, Supra 3.0, and their trucks.

I’d take an Avalon again as long as I never have to look at that front end.

ab348 · July 2021

henryn said:

I played with Android Auto in my 2018 F150 one time, and never tried it again. I'm pretty sure this Pacifica has Android Auto, but I'm rather unlikely to ever try it. I don't need it, so why bother? That 2018 F150 had built in navigation, I tried it once and it was screwy so I ignored it after that. When the truck was about a year old, I had a recall for the safety belt tensioner and I took the truck in for that and remembered to ask them to look at the Nav. I didn't really expect them to do anything, on my previous Fords they never fixed any of the electronic gremlins. But this time they surprised me, replaced the entire unit, and afterwards it did work. After seeing that it did work, I proceeded to ignore it for the next two years until I sold the truck.

I usually know where I'm going and don't need some voice telling me to turn left in 200 yards. I have gotten lost, it's rare but it happens. I just pull off the road, get out my phone for Google Maps, figure out where I went wrong, and then take off again. Still better than having some voice tell me where to go. If I wanted that, I could just get married again.

My kind of guy.

ab348 · July 2021

Man, this forum was even more insufferable than usual overnight.

benjaminh · July 2021

stickguy said:
The Maverick does seem to have a lot of clever design details. Now I just want to see how it actually drives. who knows how long it will be before that is possible (short of ordering one just so you can test drive it before finalizing)

Motor 1 has a rumor that production on the Maverick starts in mid-August. If true, that might mean that Mavericks will start arriving at Ford dealers around the middle of September for test drives. But by then it's possible that all Maverick production until the end of the calendar year will be sold out through pre-orders.

https://www.motor1.com/news/515446/ford-maverick-production-start-rumor/

With the optional 2.0 turbo and AWD the Maverick should be a functional vehicle that's also a performance bargain. To get the 2.0T on the Escape SUV you need to order a top trim level, but the 2.0T AWD combo is available on even the base Maverick, which would get you to an msrp of $25k. Compare that to an msrp of about $37k for an Escape with the 2.0T AWD. The Escape 2.0T AWD, which has weight similar to a Maverick, was tested by C&D as doing slightly less than 6 seconds 0-60, and I think we can expect something similar for the Maverick equipped this way:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29077713/2020-ford-escape-drive/

The acceleration time of the Maverick with the standard hybrid engine will probably be about the same as the Escape with the same hybrid engine, which would mean a 0-60 time of about 8.7 seconds for a Maverick hybrid.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-ford-escape-hybrid-review/

PS 8.7 seconds 0-60 might be on the slow side for some, but I just found this test by C & D which gives a 7.7 second 0-60 time for the Escape hybrid. Over the years I've noticed that C&D's 0-60 numbers tend to be lower than what others get, which probably means that C&D tortures the vehicles to get those numbers in a way that others don't? But that having been said 7.7 seems ok.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a29878756/2020-ford-escape-hybrid-vs-2019-toyota-rav4-hybrid/

Anyway, from my pov C&D's 0-60 numbers are fictional by probably about half a second, but perhaps useful for comparison.

oldfarmer50 · July 2021

roadburner said:

qbrozen said:

roadburner said:

I wouldn't buy a new Corolla if the the dealer subtracted $3995 off MSRP.
I wouldn't drive one if they paid me $3995 to do so.
For me that applies to every new Toyota save the 86, Supra 3.0, and their trucks.

Interesting, my old Toyota pick up was the worst vehicle I ever owned by far…..and I owned a PT Cruiser.

oldfarmer50 · July 2021

corvette said:

explorerx4 said:
I posted the 4xe drag race video a few days ago, but hey it happens.
1/8th mile definitely favors the hybrid. I'm betting most of those other vehicles would have walked the Wrangler in the quarter.

Kind of like the man against horse 100 foot races?

mjfloyd1 · July 2021

@nyccarguy said:
I was sitting in traffic on my way home tonight & BAM! A guy in a 2016 CRV Rear Ended me. I’m ok. He’s ok. We exchanged information. I’m going to take it in tomorrow for an estimate.

We were stopped. I always leave room in front of me. I let off the brake pedal to when I saw the guy in front of me start to go. The guy behind me must have let off the brake and hit the gas. I stood on the brake pedal to make sure I didn’t hit the guy in front of me.

Damage to my truck doesn’t look extensive, but it felt a little wobbly driving home.

Glad everyone is ok.

The beauty of the lease… fix it, turn it in. Not your problem

oldfarmer50 · July 2021

henryn said:
The insanity continues (used Wrangler for over $70k). Every time we think there might be a sign of returning normality, BANG, another mark for the madness.

The boss told us yesterday that we now require a one week minimum rental if you want a car. There’s also a 21 day limit on rentals. The price for even a mundane small car hovers around $150/day. He has no idea when we’ll be getting much new supply.

Each off airport office can set their own policy but the shortest time period I’ve seen is 3 days in a little town in VT.

He also mentioned that the other major players have almost nothing left to rent.

Madness writ large.

kyfdx · July 2021

qbrozen said:
59% RV on the 48/10k.
Not worth making the change.

That is this month's number. Last month was 61%

Plus if you are flipping it, you save $1195

nyccarguy · July 2021

Here’s a few more pictures of the damage to my truck:

On the left, you can see the plastic sits flush. On the right (V6 Badge) you can see the plastic is up because it is damaged underneath.

nyccarguy · July 2021

Look closely at the top picture and you can see the crease where I got hit and the tow hitch is bent. On the bottom picture there is no crease.

nyccarguy · July 2021

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