Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

sda · July 12

Before I bought the Arteon, the TLX, ES 350 Audi A5, A6 and BMW 5 series were on my want list.

sda · July 12

I had the Passat serviced today. It was a bit early but the CPO warranty expires Aug 1. My daughter who now drives the car and it is housed at her apartment stated the head unit went dark and was unresponsive a few times when it was extremely hot outside. I wanted that looked at. Of course the issue could not be duplicated, however, the advisor made note of it and stated since it had already been replaced last year, if it acts up after the warranty expires, VW will cover it. Not holding my breath, but ok. It had an oil change and coolant system flush. $385. My daughter drove it less than 3000 miles since last September. Current mileage, 58075.

nyccarguy · July 12

The Tacoma is finally gone! It was picked up this AM!

jmonroe1 · July 12

nyccarguy said:
The Tacoma is finally gone! It was picked up this AM!

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So, what are you going to replace it with?

jmonroe

ab348 · July 12

jmonroe1 said:

nyccarguy said:
The Tacoma is finally gone! It was picked up this AM!

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So, what are you going to replace it with?

jmonroe

Until he takes it out of his signature line, it's not really gone.

nyccarguy · July 12

@jmonroe1 said:
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So, what are you going to replace it with?

jmonroe

For now, nothing. I’m busy driving my Prelude this Spring/Summer. When my son goes back to college in August, I’ll start driving the Highlander.

Sandman6472 · July 13

Still getting used to the ride of the GTI. The low profile 18" tires let me feel every undulation in the road which isn't the best thing. It's got Goodyear tires on it, same as the wife's Kona but different tread of course. Will have to look them both up to see the difference but suspect mine are more of a sports tire. One thing I do know, when the time comes to replace them, will see what size I'd have to get to have a 45 sidewall. Must admit, the 2015 did drive much smoother. But this 2025 seems to drive a bit faster when needed. Guess having the 2.0 liter engine and the different auto tranny must be the reasons why.
Overall, I'm quite happy with the punch. Been a long time coming I must say and want to thank everyone who put up with my "analysis paralysis" these past few years. But after my first test drive around Memorial Day, kinda knew I'd be getting a GTI sooner or later. And I think the key getting stuck in the steering column the day before made me finally decide to go test the grey one. And, of course, the rest is history!

sda · July 13

I really like the GTI. It will have a firmer ride than a Golf. Confirm the tire pressure is on spec and not too high. It is not unusual for the dealer to overlook that when they prepare it for customer delivery.

laurasdada · July 13

30 years ago, I bought a tech stock. It has been going up. I told the wife that if it reaches a certain number that I was going to make a big purchase! She gave me the, "You big child! You have two cars and several watches. Why aren't you happy with what you have?!" It is a none-too-subtle look.

Well, wouldn't you know it, it reached, and exceeded, the magic number earlier this month. Yay. So, this past Friday I made the big purchase. She loves the shiny ring she picked out and I gladly paid for. But, I noted, should the stock hit the next magic number, it's my turn. She, 'yeah, yeah, yeah'd" me as she looked at the sparkly thing on her finger. Next to the earlier sparkly thing. (Terrible side thought, she's got nine more fingers...).

What does this have to do with CCBA? Across the way from the man's worst nightmare store (sparkly things store) is a Lucid showroom. Stopped in to check out an Air. They also had a Gravity on the showroom floor, but I'm still not an SUV guy. I did point it out to her, but again she was blinded by the light emanating from her ring finger.

So, I sat in an Air Pure and made vroom vroom sounds. Which, of course, made no sense. The most interesting thing to me was the vast amount of room inside. AND, it still somehow felt a bit claustrophobic to me, small-ish windows all around. The black interior also probably contributed. Note that it had an aluminum roof, not glass which likely would have alleviated that hemmed in feeling. But design and materials were quite upscale looking and feeling. Fake leather, but a good fake. Cavernous rear seat room.

Screens-o-rama, to adjust the steering wheel had to find a screen. Some redundant actual physical controls, but there would be a bit of a learning curve with this one. Decent, but didn't seem too deep trunk (although large, deep compartment below the first floor) and big frunk. Wife was amused by the frunk. Fathom Blue was the color in the showroom, which looked a bit different when I noted one out in the sunlight. I think Cosmos Silver (Touring trim, although if not too much of a $ leap, GT? 500 miles of theoretical range! And stupid fast) would be my first choice. So, I'm impressed at first view.

Gave them my info, got an email from the store manager, perhaps I'll schedule a test drive later in the month. $7500 lease credit goes hasta la bye-bye the end of September, and their lease rates jumped quite a bit from last month.

Of course, the A7 still fills its mission with aplomb. And I did just invest $$$ in new Contis, not to mention still paying it off at 0%. My guess is the stock doesn't hit the next magic # for some time (although the next # is only another 10% up...) so I'll have time. Wife keeps reminding me that my Fido advisor told me to start spending... on her.

jmonroe1 · July 13

Sandman6472 said:
Still getting used to the ride of the GTI. The low profile 18" tires let me feel every undulation in the road which isn't the best thing. It's got Goodyear tires on it, same as the wife's Kona but different tread of course. Will have to look them both up to see the difference but suspect mine are more of a sports tire. One thing I do know, when the time comes to replace them, will see what size I'd have to get to have a 45 sidewall. Must admit, the 2015 did drive much smoother. But this 2025 seems to drive a bit faster when needed. Guess having the 2.0 liter engine and the different auto tranny must be the reasons why.
Overall, I'm quite happy with the punch. Been a long time coming I must say and want to thank everyone who put up with my "analysis paralysis" these past few years. But after my first test drive around Memorial Day, kinda knew I'd be getting a GTI sooner or later. And I think the key getting stuck in the steering column the day before made me finally decide to go test the grey one. And, of course, the rest is history!

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Hmm, is that all it was? It seemed longer than that.

Anyway, congrats and have fun with it and give us a few reports as you mile it up.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · July 13

“ . My guess is the stock doesn't hit the next magic # for some time (although the next # is only another 10% up...) so I'll have time”

Did you buy the dip like I told everybody? I did but not in sufficient quantity to buy anything special.

imidazol97 · July 13

Sandman6472 said:
Still getting used to the ride of the GTI. The low profile 18" tires let me feel every undulation in the road which isn't the best thing. It's got Goodyear tires on it, same as the wife's Kona but different tread of course. Will have to look them both up to see the difference but suspect mine are more of a sports tire. One thing I do know, when the time comes to replace them, will see what size I'd have to get to have a 45 sidewall. Must admit, the 2015 did drive much smoother. But this 2025 seems to drive a bit faster when needed. Guess having the 2.0 liter engine and the different auto tranny must be the reasons why.
Overall, I'm quite happy with the punch. Been a long time coming I must say and want to thank everyone who put up with my "analysis paralysis" these past few years. But after my first test drive around Memorial Day, kinda knew I'd be getting a GTI sooner or later. And I think the key getting stuck in the steering column the day before made me finally decide to go test the grey one. And, of course, the rest is history!

Take a look at the load and speed ratings on the tires on the two cars. If the GTI has a higher speed and/or higher load rating, that contributes to a stiffer ride IMHO. Ideal for comfort is an "H" rating.

28firefighter · July 13

Isn’t that why one buys the GTI? For the lower profile tires, wider stance, and sporty handling?

Feels like putting H rated tires would be defeating the purpose…

cdnpinhead · July 13

"Back in the day" I chose or modified my cars for improved handling and never worried about how rough they felt -- they were just fine going around corners in the Frasier Canyon at 3 in the morning.

People who choose cars with stiff suspensions these days need (IMNHO) to drive them somewhere on a regular basis, preferably at speeds well above the orange/yellow signs. Sadly many/most just have them for a bunch of reasons that I don't understand at all, and accumulate a few miles every year in their own or the immediately adjacent zip codes,

YMMV

benjaminh · July 14

A year ago our daughter was thinking of shopping for a used car for around $5k, but then we ended up handing down to her our CR-V and getting my wife a new Outback.

But for a while I was looking at what kind of car you might get for $5k, and I wasn't impressed. Recently to waste some time I looked again at used cars around that price, and at first I was puzzled that a 2017 one-owner VW GTI was just $5k, but then I saw that it has 263,000 miles. Suddenly the price made sense, and I was also amazed that a GTI could last that long. Maintenance records with carfax seem okay, but I don't see that the spark plugs have been changed, although it seems like they must have been at some point.

https://www.acuraatoxmoor.com/auto/used-2017-volkswagen-golf-gti-s-near-louisville-ky/104813896/

au1994 · July 14

GLC 300 rental this week. So far so good driving wise, not exactly roomy though. Infotainment took 2 of us to figure out. Nary a real button or switch to be found.

oldfarmer50 · July 14

benjaminh said:
A year ago our daughter was thinking of shopping for a used car for around $5k, but then we ended up handing down to her our CR-V and getting my wife a new Outback.

But for a while I was looking at what kind of car you might get for $5k, and I wasn't impressed. Recently to waste some time I looked again at used cars around that price, and at first I was puzzled that a 2017 one-owner VW GTI was just $5k, but then I saw that it has 263,000 miles. Suddenly the price made sense, and I was also amazed that a GTI could last that long. Maintenance records with carfax seem okay, but I don't see that the spark plugs have been changed, although it seems like they must have been at some point.

https://www.acuraatoxmoor.com/auto/used-2017-volkswagen-golf-gti-s-near-louisville-ky/104813896/

I think “damage reported” is more significant than the miles on that one.

jmonroe1 · July 14

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:
A year ago our daughter was thinking of shopping for a used car for around $5k, but then we ended up handing down to her our CR-V and getting my wife a new Outback.

But for a while I was looking at what kind of car you might get for $5k, and I wasn't impressed. Recently to waste some time I looked again at used cars around that price, and at first I was puzzled that a 2017 one-owner VW GTI was just $5k, but then I saw that it has 263,000 miles. Suddenly the price made sense, and I was also amazed that a GTI could last that long. Maintenance records with carfax seem okay, but I don't see that the spark plugs have been changed, although it seems like they must have been at some point.

https://www.acuraatoxmoor.com/auto/used-2017-volkswagen-golf-gti-s-near-louisville-ky/104813896/

I think “damage reported” is more significant than the miles on that one.

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For me a car with over 260K miles would not interest me in the least, regardless of condition or price. I know times have changed quite a while ago but since I grew up in a different era, I still have it in my head that a car that has around 60K miles on it is just about over the hill. Like I said, that’s not true today but that’s me.

jmonroe

kyfdx · July 14

@benjaminh What was the value of the CR-V that you passed down to her?

benjaminh · July 14

kyfdx said:
@benjaminh What was the value of the CR-V that you passed down to her?

Not sure. It was a 2018 CR-V EX AWD in very good condition with about 55,000 miles. All maintenance was up to date, with fairly recent Michelin CC2 tires. My guess is that it was worth maybe $17k or so a year ago, and maybe 15k now, but perhaps that's optimistic? Iirc we paid 27.5 + TTL, which was a couple of grand under msrp.

kyfdx · July 14

benjaminh said:

kyfdx said:
@benjaminh What was the value of the CR-V that you passed down to her?
Not sure. It was a 2018 CR-V EX AWD in very good condition with about 55,000 miles. All maintenance was up to date, with fairly recent Michelin CC2 tires. My guess is that it was worth maybe $17k or so a year ago, and maybe 15k now, but perhaps that's optimistic? Iirc we paid 27.5 + TTL, which was a couple of grand under msrp.

So, not like a $5K car was a comparable option?

Sandman6472 · July 14

I don't speed much and just like a smooth ride while driving. If they had still imported the "SE" or the "SEL" models, I would've chosen one of those. But since there were only two choice, I chose the GTI. What makes sense to some might not make sense for others but at the end of the day, I got what I wanted. And if in a few years a change needs to be made...so be it. Since I'm the one driving it 99.9% of the time, might as well have it the way I like! A larger sidewall gives me the ride I prefer so I'll get there eventually. And smile the whole way there.

Also, got the windows tinted Sunday, a 50% tint and it looks great! Very happy with the results.

nyccarguy · July 14

@benjaminh said:
Not sure. It was a 2018 CR-V EX AWD in very good condition with about 55,000 miles. All maintenance was up to date, with fairly recent Michelin CC2 tires. My guess is that it was worth maybe $17k or so a year ago, and maybe 15k now, but perhaps that's optimistic? Iirc we paid 27.5 + TTL, which was a couple of grand under msrp.

You did the right thing. You aren’t @xwesx or @qbrozen who can wrench, will, & curse a $5,000 car into a reliable daily driver.

sda · July 14

I did the same when giving the Passat to my daughter. I was a little hesitant thinking she might like something different. She is very happy with it and loves the apple carplay. I am still paying for the insurance and maintenance on it. How I spoil the girl. With pleasure.

roadburner · July 14

cdnpinhead said:
"Back in the day" I chose or modified my cars for improved handling and never worried about how rough they felt -- they were just fine going around corners in the Frasier Canyon at 3 in the morning.

People who choose cars with stiff suspensions these days need (IMNHO) to drive them somewhere on a regular basis, preferably at speeds well above the orange/yellow signs. Sadly many/most just have them for a bunch of reasons that I don't understand at all, and accumulate a few miles every year in their own or the immediately adjacent zip codes,

YMMV

Car and Driver opined that the suspension of my C43 "had all the compliance of an I-beam", but I haven't had a single passenger complain. My uncle is almost 90 (and a Ford retiree) and he told me he thought it had a comfortable ride. My wife thinks it rides better than my old F22 M235i as well as the G42 M240i we test drove before buying the C43.
The ride does stiffen up considerably in Sport+ mode, but even so it doesn't bother me or my wife.

roadburner · July 14

au1994 said:
GLC 300 rental this week. So far so good driving wise, not exactly roomy though. Infotainment took 2 of us to figure out. Nary a real button or switch to be found.

I had a GLC 300 loaner when the C43 was in for service. I do prefer the physical switches and buttons in my car but I adapted to the MBUX interface faster than I expected. I have to admit that a GLC 43 wouldn't be a bad pick for me if I couldnt have a sedan or coupe.

nyccarguy · July 15

@nyccarguy said:

@benjaminh said:
Not sure. It was a 2018 CR-V EX AWD in very good condition with about 55,000 miles. All maintenance was up to date, with fairly recent Michelin CC2 tires. My guess is that it was worth maybe $17k or so a year ago, and maybe 15k now, but perhaps that's optimistic? Iirc we paid 27.5 + TTL, which was a couple of grand under msrp.

You did the right thing. You aren’t @xwesx or @qbrozen who can wrench, will, & curse a $5,000 car into a reliable daily driver.

I’d want to have the transmission looked at at this mileage and the tear in the driver’s seat would really bother me. How bad could this be for under $5K.

https://www.dchparamushonda.com/used-Paramus-2006-Acura-TSX-Navi-JH4CL96966C021732

benjaminh · July 15

nyccarguy said:

I’d want to have the transmission looked at at this mileage and the tear in the driver’s seat would really bother me. How bad could this be for under $5K.

https://www.dchparamushonda.com/used-Paramus-2006-Acura-TSX-Navi-JH4CL96966C021732

The Carfax does show three accidents, but they appear to be relatively minor. Also concerning is that there is a 9 year gap in recorded oil changes from 2014 to 2023. I'm guessing oil changes were being done, but just not recorded in the system, but it seems like you'd want a good mechanic to take a look at the engine.

benjaminh · July 15

@nyccarguy How do you like your 2025 Camry SE AWD so far? What kind of mpg are you getting, and what colors did you choose for the exterior and interior?

I'm hoping to keep my TLX several more years, but if I were buying something for myself this year I'd probably get a Camry.

benjaminh · July 15

As we know, the $7500 EV tax credit ends on September 30th.

Currently there are no more fines or enforcement for the 50 year old Corporate Average Fuel Economy. And so for the next four years at least CAFE is dead.

It seems like there are probably going to be 25% tariffs on most imported vehicles to the US.

All three of those things seem significant. I wonder what the results are likely to be in the next few years.

In the short term it seems like there are going to be huge sales on EVs.

But after that sales of EVs are likely to slump. EV sales in 2026 in the US will probably be lower than they are this year.

In a couple of years I wonder if we might see a return of a V-8 on some vehicles?

oldfarmer50 · July 15

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:
A year ago our daughter was thinking of shopping for a used car for around $5k, but then we ended up handing down to her our CR-V and getting my wife a new Outback.

But for a while I was looking at what kind of car you might get for $5k, and I wasn't impressed. Recently to waste some time I looked again at used cars around that price, and at first I was puzzled that a 2017 one-owner VW GTI was just $5k, but then I saw that it has 263,000 miles. Suddenly the price made sense, and I was also amazed that a GTI could last that long. Maintenance records with carfax seem okay, but I don't see that the spark plugs have been changed, although it seems like they must have been at some point.

https://www.acuraatoxmoor.com/auto/used-2017-volkswagen-golf-gti-s-near-louisville-ky/104813896/

I think “damage reported” is more significant than the miles on that one.
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For me a car with over 260K miles would not interest me in the least, regardless of condition or price. I know times have changed quite a while ago but since I grew up in a different era, I still have it in my head that a car that has around 60K miles on it is just about over the hill. Like I said, that’s not true today but that’s me.

jmonroe

Normally I’d think the same way but with that mileage I’d assume the engine was replaced at least once. What would concern me is the nebulous nature of a “damage” listing. It could have been as simple as grandma scraped a fender going in the garage or as serious as having been driven off a cliff into the ocean. I might feel different if I saw the full CarFax with a description of the damage. Really a moot point though as I wouldn’t want to spend $5k on a car like that.

oldfarmer50 · July 15

nyccarguy said:

@nyccarguy said:

@benjaminh said:

Not sure. It was a 2018 CR-V EX AWD in very good condition with about 55,000 miles. All maintenance was up to date, with fairly recent Michelin CC2 tires. My guess is that it was worth maybe $17k or so a year ago, and maybe 15k now, but perhaps that's optimistic? Iirc we paid 27.5 + TTL, which was a couple of grand under msrp.

You did the right thing. You aren’t @xwesx or @qbrozen who can wrench, will, & curse a $5,000 car into a reliable daily driver.

I’d want to have the transmission looked at at this mileage and the tear in the driver’s seat would really bother me. How bad could this be for under $5K.

https://www.dchparamushonda.com/used-Paramus-2006-Acura-TSX-Navi-JH4CL96966C021732

I know Honda products can be very reliable but those mileages on that dealer’s cars would give me the vapors. I guess this is the new normal in the car industry for lower priced cars. My traditional hooptie purchase would generally be a domestic brand with mileage in the 50k to 75k range for around $3k. I don’t think we’ll ever see those days again.

oldfarmer50 · July 15

benjaminh said:
As we know, the $7500 EV tax credit ends on September 30th.

Currently there are no more fines or enforcement for the 50 year old Corporate Average Fuel Economy. And so for the next four years at least CAFE is dead.

It seems like there are probably going to be 25% tariffs on most imported vehicles to the US.

All three of those things seem significant. I wonder what the results are likely to be in the next few years.

In the short term it seems like there are going to be huge sales on EVs.

But after that sales of EVs are likely to slump. EV sales in 2026 in the US will probably be lower than they are this year.

In a couple of years I wonder if we might see a return of a V-8 on some vehicles?

I think Stellantis recently announced the return of the V8 in some models.

stickguy · July 15

TSX is a good car. And the K series a fantastic engine. But any 20 YO car with that miles is going to need stuff. Also antiquated tech most
Likely (no backup camera and maybe no Bluetooth). And what there is tends to be a lot simpler than what modern cars have.

They have a couple of slightly newer accords at similar price and
Mileage too. Kind of surprised to see a Honda dealer selling stuff
Like that.

stickguy · July 15

@oldfarmer50 said:
I think Stellantis recently announced the return of the V8 in some models.

Gas prices will be going up too and consumers likely won’t be rushing to buy gas hogs. It also takes a long time to reengineer platforms or develop engines so they plan long term and don’t want to spend a to. Of money (that they probably won’t have with sales down) for something that could change in a few years.

sda · July 15

The deciding factor of selling our 06 TL was the transmission would randomly shift funny. The service tech suggested a transmission service but could not guarantee the issue would be resolved. Heck, it may have been fine for many more miles. I didn’t want it to fail with my daughter driving it. Because of the age of the car, some electronic parts are no longer available. When the stability control light came on it was found a module was defective. The module was no longer available. The Acura dealer had to source a used one from a local junk yard that specialized in Acura and Honda. I miss that car.

oldfarmer50 · July 15

sda said:
The deciding factor of selling our 06 TL was the transmission would randomly shift funny. The service tech suggested a transmission service but could not guarantee the issue would be resolved. Heck, it may have been fine for many more miles. I didn’t want it to fail with my daughter driving it. Because of the age of the car, some electronic parts are no longer available. When the stability control light came on it was found a module was defective. The module was no longer available. The Acura dealer had to source a used one from a local junk yard that specialized in Acura and Honda. I miss that car.

That’s a pet peeve of mine. Why engineer a car to last 20 years and then not supply parts? Happens with low production vehicles too. One of the reasons I got rid of my 22 year old Lincoln Mark VIII was that I couldn’t get replacement headlights. Aftermarket was unavailable because of the limited production.

tjc78 · July 15

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:
As we know, the $7500 EV tax credit ends on September 30th.

Currently there are no more fines or enforcement for the 50 year old Corporate Average Fuel Economy. And so for the next four years at least CAFE is dead.

It seems like there are probably going to be 25% tariffs on most imported vehicles to the US.

All three of those things seem significant. I wonder what the results are likely to be in the next few years.

In the short term it seems like there are going to be huge sales on EVs.

But after that sales of EVs are likely to slump. EV sales in 2026 in the US will probably be lower than they are this year.

In a couple of years I wonder if we might see a return of a V-8 on some vehicles?
I think Stellantis recently announced the return of the V8 in some models.

Only on the Ram because everyone cried. The Hurricane is more powerful and more efficient.

I think mine needs some sort of software update or calibration as it is kinda clunky at low speeds. I called the dealer local to me and since it was so new they said they would need to have it approved to be worked on since I didn't buy it there. They asked for the VIN and I was driving so I'll deal with that later this week. I've never been told that.

Oh - and the crappy dealer saga continues. It's been just about 2 months and I don't have plates. I called to see if they were in and they are. No call from them to tell me....I asked for them to be mailed and apparently that's an issue for them and I was to get a call back from a manager last night to let me know if they could do that. I've bought several vehicles out of state and never had an issue. They also have not refunded the money I had to outlay during the time they didn't pay the trade off. I'm about ready to lose it on them. I've been extremely cordial to this point, but I've had enough.

nyccarguy · July 15

sda said:
The deciding factor of selling our 06 TL was the transmission would randomly shift funny. The service tech suggested a transmission service but could not guarantee the issue would be resolved. Heck, it may have been fine for many more miles. I didn’t want it to fail with my daughter driving it. Because of the age of the car, some electronic parts are no longer available. When the stability control light came on it was found a module was defective. The module was no longer available. The Acura dealer had to source a used one from a local junk yard that specialized in Acura and Honda. I miss that car.

That comes up A LOT on the Prelude specific facebook groups. Parts aren't available. They have to be sourced from crashed cars or you have to be lucky and find someone who is parting out a Prelude.

suydam · July 15

The future is electric. If the US wants to compete in a global economy they have to make, market and sell EVs. Otherwise US car companies will just become a niche economy confined to North America, and China will become the global EV power. They know that. Current policies may make it difficult in the short term but there is no putting the genie back in that bottle. It’s crazy to kneecap your own companies just as they are becoming really competitive but there we are.

nyccarguy · July 15

suydam said:
The future is electric. If the US wants to compete in a global economy they have to make, market and sell EVs. Otherwise US car companies will just become a niche economy confined to North America, and China will become the global EV power. They know that. Current policies may make it difficult in the short term but there is no putting the genie back in that bottle. It’s crazy to kneecap your own companies just as they are becoming really competitive but there we are.

Lucky for us, I'm not planning on buying or driving ANY type of Chinese made EV ANYTIME EVER.

tjc78 · July 15

I'm not chiming in on whether or not EV's are the future... but I'll stand on the hill that without the credits sales have nowhere to go but down.

That $7500 (and sales tax credits in some states) put a lot of drivers in electrics that otherwise would not have been. I know without the crazy lease I would not have an EQE.

laurasdada · July 15

nyccarguy said:

suydam said:
The future is electric. If the US wants to compete in a global economy they have to make, market and sell EVs. Otherwise US car companies will just become a niche economy confined to North America, and China will become the global EV power. They know that. Current policies may make it difficult in the short term but there is no putting the genie back in that bottle. It’s crazy to kneecap your own companies just as they are becoming really competitive but there we are.
Lucky for us, I'm not planning on buying or driving ANY type of Chinese made EV ANYTIME EVER.

How about a Saudi-funded enterprise, built in this here ol' US of A?

nyccarguy · July 15

laurasdada said:

nyccarguy said:

suydam said:
The future is electric. If the US wants to compete in a global economy they have to make, market and sell EVs. Otherwise US car companies will just become a niche economy confined to North America, and China will become the global EV power. They know that. Current policies may make it difficult in the short term but there is no putting the genie back in that bottle. It’s crazy to kneecap your own companies just as they are becoming really competitive but there we are.
Lucky for us, I'm not planning on buying or driving ANY type of Chinese made EV ANYTIME EVER.
How about a Saudi-funded enterprise, built in this here ol' US of A?

Don't worry. I've got issues with THEM too:)

qbrozen · July 15

Try finding parts for a ‘97 Opel! 2nd hand overseas parts take a lot of searching. The maser has been tough, too, which I don’t fully understand. I guess the low production factor. The Opel is laid up again. I went to change the calipers and struts and keep running into problems. I broke one of the CV joints. Good grief. Then broke a tie rod. Ugh. And each time is like a week wait to get a replacement.

laurasdada · July 15

qbrozen said:
Try finding parts for a ‘97 Opel! 2nd hand overseas parts take a lot of searching. The maser has been tough, too, which I don’t fully understand. I guess the low production factor. The Opel is laid up again. I went to change the calipers and struts and keep running into problems. I broke one of the CV joints. Good grief. Then broke a tie rod. Ugh. And each time is like a week wait to get a replacement.

Wasn't the Opel also a Saturn (or is '96 too early for the Saturn version?), would Saturn parts work?

laurasdada · July 15

nyccarguy said:

laurasdada said:

nyccarguy said:

suydam said:
The future is electric. If the US wants to compete in a global economy they have to make, market and sell EVs. Otherwise US car companies will just become a niche economy confined to North America, and China will become the global EV power. They know that. Current policies may make it difficult in the short term but there is no putting the genie back in that bottle. It’s crazy to kneecap your own companies just as they are becoming really competitive but there we are.
Lucky for us, I'm not planning on buying or driving ANY type of Chinese made EV ANYTIME EVER.
How about a Saudi-funded enterprise, built in this here ol' US of A?
Don't worry. I've got issues with THEM too:)

Could I at least offer you a ride?

nyccarguy · July 15

benjaminh said:
@nyccarguy How do you like your 2025 Camry SE AWD so far? What kind of mpg are you getting, and what colors did you choose for the exterior and interior?

I'm hoping to keep my TLX several more years, but if I were buying something for myself this year I'd probably get a Camry.

So far, so good. I'm about 6 weeks in and somewhere around 2K miles. I never thought I'd say this about a Camry, but I love it! Our Camry is Underground (dark grey) with the Boulder (medium grey) interior. It rides great and is quite comfortable. Acceleration isn't blistering by any means, but it merges and passes well. Handling is competent. MPG is phenomenal. We are averaging 42-44 mpg. The few times I've filled up, there has been about 1/8 - 1/4 tank left. It takes less than 10 gallons per fill up.

My 18 year old son averaged just over 20 mpg on his last tank in the Highlander. I've been averaging about 22-23 mpg in my Prelude.

Signature settings updated. Down to 3 vehicles for 3 drivers. What is this world coming to?

roadburner · July 15

tjc78 said:
I'm not chiming in on whether or not EV's are the future... but I'll stand on the hill that without the credits sales have nowhere to go but down.

That $7500 (and sales tax credits in some states) put a lot of drivers in electrics that otherwise would not have been. I know without the crazy lease I would not have an EQE.

That's the reason I leased an i3 REx; $100/month was too good to pass up.

roadburner · July 15

I think it's time to let EVs sink or swim on their own merits- without the government putting a thumb on the scale.

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