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greg1288 · August 20

nyccarguy said:
Interior-wise, the Tahoe is done really nicely. Soft touch materials are everywhere The digital gauge cluster is simple and tells you all the information you need. Getting to different information screens is easy too and very intuitive .

I agree the GM display is easy to figure out and is easy to scroll through to the info you want. My wife's XT5 dash display is much easier to navigate compared to to my Toyota Crown which is rather confusing. I still haven't figured out how to access the tire pressure easily. The process involves navigating three different displays, each with different info. The display in the Cadillac is straightforward in that you can scroll through to the info you want. Also it has info that the Toyota does not like an instant MPG number, actual coolant and transmission temperature and remaining oil life percent..

kyfdx · August 20

My next door neighbor recently traded his Suburban for a new (ish) Tahoe.

stickguy · August 20

My neighbor recently got a new suburban. Replaced an explorer shortly after their 3rd kid (oldest is maybe 4) arrived.

kyfdx · August 20

stickguy said:
My neighbor recently got a new suburban. Replaced an explorer shortly after their 3rd kid (oldest is maybe 4) arrived.

Yeah... this is a family of 5. Mom is the shortest at 5'9", up to son at 6'6". But, two of the kids are out of college, and the last one is in college. And, they all have vehicles.

xwesx · August 20

explorerx4 said:
@kyfdx,
That's the S550. When it was introduced, to many people it looked too much like a Fusion from the front, but over time opinions changed.

It's funny how folks like to pan the Fusion. When the final iteration was introduced (around 2012?), it put the world on notice and pretty much every sedan looked suspiciously similar to it the next model year. It was a radical shift and pretty impressive in terms of the design influence it had.

roadburner · August 20

About eleven months ago Jeep issued a recall on the Wrangler 4xe and Grand Cherokee 4xe involving the HV battery. A lot of owners ran around like their hair was on fire but I simply left the battery discharged and drove it as normal- and I never badgered Jeep about it. So, today I get an email from Jeep telling me I am getting a $100 gift card because my jeep was part of that recall. I double-checked and the letter was legit; I'll get the card in 30 days or less.

explorerx4 · August 20

Just because, I got a quote for my F-150.
They have zero exact matches, V8, FX4, Black Pkg and less than 6K miles.
Their offer was 40.6K.
They have several lesser spec units for sale for just under 47K.

kyfdx · August 20

explorerx4 said:
Just because, I got a quote for my F-150.
They have zero exact matches, V8, FX4, Black Pkg and less than 6K miles.
Their offer was 40.6K.
They have several lesser spec units for sale for just under 47K.

Replacing it with a ‘77 model? 😂

explorerx4 · August 20

@kyfdx,
Maybe if there wre more pics.

corvette · August 20

roadburner said:
So, today I get an email from Jeep telling me I am getting a $100 gift card because my jeep was part of that recall.

That sounds like one of the corporate phishing test emails we regularly get ("Dunkin' is giving away free donuts and coffee!"). They're made a bit more difficult by the fact that we get DoorDash gift cards fairly often when we have lunch and learns, quarterly lunch meetings, or other special events, but we get advance warning of those so we know to expect them.

roadburner · August 20

corvette said:

roadburner said:
So, today I get an email from Jeep telling me I am getting a $100 gift card because my jeep was part of that recall.
That sounds like one of the corporate phishing test emails we regularly get ("Dunkin' is giving away free donuts and coffee!"). They're made a bit more difficult by the fact that we get DoorDash gift cards fairly often when we have lunch and learns, quarterly lunch meetings, or other special events, but we get advance warning of those so we know to expect them.

I had to call Jeep back. I googled the phone number it' is the same number used for their recall hotline. I gave them the last 8 digits of my VIN and they confirmed my name and email.

corvette · August 20

The $30-40k EV market is heating up, between the new Leaf, Bolt, Ford announcement, and the new Toyota/Subarus. 300 miles is a far more usable range for day trips than a lot of the recent entrants--it would easily get me to Cincinnati and back, or a Saturday and Sunday hiking 60-ish miles away, with only level 1 charging overnight. I wonder how this new crop will lease.

stickguy · August 20

found myself browsing online. This is a very snazzy looking car. And old school manual! Probably fun.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rky7bLqk/2016-bmw-m3

and I always had an affinity for this mustang. Actually almost local (about an hour from me. But it needs to be the dark green (that I thought all Bullitts came in).

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rGMlOW2X/2001-ford-mustang-bullitt

suydam · August 20

corvette said:
The $30-40k EV market is heating up, between the new Leaf, Bolt, Ford announcement, and the new Toyota/Subarus. 300 miles is a far more usable range for day trips than a lot of the recent entrants--it would easily get me to Cincinnati and back, or a Saturday and Sunday hiking 60-ish miles away, with only level 1 charging overnight. I wonder how this new crop will lease.

I think 300 miles range for EVs is becoming the standard now. Works well for us. I’m thinking maybe when the Kia lease is up a smaller EV with good range might fit our needs nicely.

nyccarguy · August 21

@greg128 - On the Tahoe, I like the thumb trigger for the adaptive cruise control.

nyccarguy · August 21

This 2005 Lexus ES330 looks to be in really good condition for a 20 year old car. 141K miles and a stack of maintenance records from the Lexus dealer. Their $7,500 asking price is on the steep side for a 20 year old car,

tjc78 · August 21

nyccarguy said:
This 2005 Lexus ES330 looks to be in really good condition for a 20 year old car. 141K miles and a stack of maintenance records from the Lexus dealer. Their $7,500 asking price is on the steep side for a 20 year old car,

I remember cross shopping that generation when I got my 2006 Avalon. Great car, but at the time the Avalon had the (then new) 3.5 2GR V6 and was larger for a little less money similarly equipped so I went with the Avalon. That 2006 Avalon is still one of my favorite cars I've owned.

nyccarguy · August 21

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:
This 2005 Lexus ES330 looks to be in really good condition for a 20 year old car. 141K miles and a stack of maintenance records from the Lexus dealer. Their $7,500 asking price is on the steep side for a 20 year old car,
I remember cross shopping that generation when I got my 2006 Avalon. Great car, but at the time the Avalon had the (then new) 3.5 2GR V6 and was larger for a little less money similarly equipped so I went with the Avalon. That 2006 Avalon is still one of my favorite cars I've owned.

Looking through the carfax, I see this engine has had a timing belt changed. Is the newer ('06+) ES350 with a chain driven engine?

roadburner · August 21

stickguy said:
found myself browsing online. This is a very snazzy looking car. And old school manual! Probably fun.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rky7bLqk/2016-bmw-m3

and I always had an affinity for this mustang. Actually almost local (about an hour from me. But it needs to be the dark green (that I thought all Bullitts came in).

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rGMlOW2X/2001-ford-mustang-bullitt

That M3 is nice, but I'd want a complete service history and verification that the 1,200 mile M service was completed on schedule.
As for the Mustang, I'd much rather have the Mach 1 from that generation. The 2008 and 2021 Bullitts are the ones I would want.

qbrozen · August 21

@xwesx said:
It's funny how folks like to pan the Fusion. When the final iteration was introduced (around 2012?), it put the world on notice and pretty much every sedan looked suspiciously similar to it the next model year. It was a radical shift and pretty impressive in terms of the design influence it had.

I like the Fusion. I’d still buy a 2.7T Sport for the right price.

nyccarguy · August 21

qbrozen said:

@xwesx said:

It's funny how folks like to pan the Fusion. When the final iteration was introduced (around 2012?), it put the world on notice and pretty much every sedan looked suspiciously similar to it the next model year. It was a radical shift and pretty impressive in terms of the design influence it had.

I like the Fusion. I’d still buy a 2.7T Sport for the right price.

How are you feeling today?

tjc78 · August 21

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:
This 2005 Lexus ES330 looks to be in really good condition for a 20 year old car. 141K miles and a stack of maintenance records from the Lexus dealer. Their $7,500 asking price is on the steep side for a 20 year old car,
I remember cross shopping that generation when I got my 2006 Avalon. Great car, but at the time the Avalon had the (then new) 3.5 2GR V6 and was larger for a little less money similarly equipped so I went with the Avalon. That 2006 Avalon is still one of my favorite cars I've owned.
Looking through the carfax, I see this engine has had a timing belt changed. Is the newer ('06+) ES350 with a chain driven engine?

Yes the 3.5 2GR uses a chain. I think that generation started in 2007 but don't hold me to it. The only issue I know of with the early versions of the 2GR is the VVT oil line. Part of it was rubber and over time it could rupture and leave you stranded. The fix was an all metal line. Many people choose to do this proactively before the rubber line ruptures. At some point Yota made the change to the new part in production.

Michaell · August 21

@nyccarguy said:
How are you feeling today?

Those pain meds must be working!

xwesx · August 21

I've been doing a little maintenance work on the Superduty this week, including oil change, transmission fluid/filter, fuel filters, and whatnot. I find that the engine bay sits high enough that I need to use a ladder in order to have decent access to anything! Thankfully, it's not 12' up, but it feels that way once in a while....

jmonroe1 · August 21

xwesx said:
I've been doing a little maintenance work on the Superduty this week, including oil change, transmission fluid/filter, fuel filters, and whatnot. I find that the engine bay sits high enough that I need to use a ladder in order to have decent access to anything! Thankfully, it's not 12' up, but it feels that way once in a while....

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I take it you’re not the one that jacked it up. On the positive side you at least have room to move your arms when you’re doing work underneath. Guess this is good/bad depending on the work you’re doing.

FWIW Son #1 just installed a 4-post lift in the new house. He says he almost feels guilty doing work underneath his vehicles. Has even made a few new friends and I don’t mean new neighbors.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · August 21

“ and I always had an affinity for this mustang. Actually almost local (about an hour from me. But it needs to be the dark green (that I thought all Bullitts came in).”

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rGMlOW2X/2001-ford-mustang-bullitt

I wonder what kind of Bullit that is. 265Hp. Is pretty lame compared to the 2001 Cobra with the 32 valve 4.6L. Even my mild 95’ Mark VIII 4 valve had 280hp.

I could always sell you mine for what Carvana is offering:

graphicguy · August 22

oldfarmer50 said:
“ and I always had an affinity for this mustang. Actually almost local (about an hour from me. But it needs to be the dark green (that I thought all Bullitts came in).”

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rGMlOW2X/2001-ford-mustang-bullitt

I wonder what kind of Bullit that is. 265Hp. Is pretty lame compared to the 2001 Cobra with the 32 valve 4.6L. Even my mild 95’ Mark VIII 4 valve had 280hp.

I could always sell you mine for what Carvana is offering:

Don't! I regret selling my Mustang Cobra 'vert every Spring and Summer.

stickguy · August 22

I missed the maverick window with carvana. Offer stayed very consistent all year then about 3 weeks ago it tanked, the. Some more. About 30% in a month.

Oddly the Acura went up a few hundred.

cozzyy · August 22

A lot of people say the car side and truck side feel about the same in terms of speed. I guess it really just depends on traffic at the time. Did you find one side smoother or less crowded than the other?

andres3 · August 22

Sandman6472 said:
Noticed where they bought that Nissan Rogue in Florida. Called Performance Nissan now but years ago, was named Endicott Nissan where we bought our 2001 Altima Special Edition and that awful 2003 Sentra SE. The Nissan dealer near the house is so much closer, but so hard to deal with so going closer to the beach store was so much better. But since then, we usually buy from the dealers right outside our housing development. Being within 5 minutes of the house, makes things so much easier.

On another note, we've been really discussing our plans for the next few years. Our middle child in St. Augustine really wants to stay up there & buy something. And now that my wife is off from TurboTax till the end of the year, she'll be making more trips up there it seems to help with the house search. Her schedule is better then mine in this respect as I can't take off that much. The idea of us all living together is still on the table but doubt it will happen. Rather be a few minutes away & have our privacy to be honest. Luckily, they've found a few new construction areas so finding two places should be easier. But after being in the Ft. Lauderale/Pompano Beach area for so long, we both moved down to Florida in 1969, not sure if I really want to move to a new strange area where I don't know my way around. Have only been there three times now and still have no idea where N,S,E,W are! I feel so lost up there and feel so comfortable down South here. But, I know it's the right thing to do now, moving that is, but it's going to be a daunting task for me going forward. Just thinking about packing up this place stresses me out! July 1st was 38 years we've been living in this house which is a long time. I have started making a list of where to start purging so trying to organize things in my mind. Guess I'm just going to make up my mind to just do it! But, it's really hard for me as I do love where we currently live.

Congratulations on the new VW GTI! You finally stepped up! Enjoy!

For what it's worth, our '19 Tiguan that had the unusually super long VW 2019 warranty period only needed the warranty one time. Recently (as the warranty recently ran out), but before it did, the infamously bad plastic water pump garbage needed replacement, which was handled under warranty. Other then that, the car has been flawless like a Toyota.

andres3 · August 22

roadburner said:
I have a friend who was looking for a new TV and soundbar; I recommended a Sony TV and a Sony soundbar. I had it up and running in no time. It even controls his AT&T cable box. It sounds remarkably good for a 2.1 setup and the picture is very good as well.

Was it the Bravia 8 Sony OLED? I'm currently shopping for a new main TV at 65". The 60" plasma may be starting to dim as it's passed it's half life in 'Hours of Usage" easily. Or I might just be looking for an excuse to upgrade. I do not like the idea of being "big TV-less" waiting for a complete failure though.

andres3 · August 22

My '18 Macan (knock on wood) has been flawless too.

I don't like the proximity sensors; way too sensitive. The seat memory is wonky. This could be a combination of human error, needing to read the manual, needing a Porsche "genius" to show me the ropes for 15 minutes, or just simple software setting fixes, or worst case scenario glitches.

andres3 · August 22

28firefighter said:
The Edmunds Porsche Club Pacific NW chapter met up today and did a drive around Mt Rainier - beautiful day, awesome cars, fun driving, great views. Thanks to @tifighter for planning the route and for the invite!

Come down to SoCal and do a drive; I know I can keep up with you in the Macan Turbo.

andres3 · August 22

nyccarguy said:

@tjc78 said:

You are correct, the Uber Eats/Doordash fees are very high....I always try and order w/ the restaurant directly if I can.

Locally here in town, 100% of the time I pick up. The only time I get food delivered, is when two of my kids who don’t who aren’t old enough to drive yet or home by themselves, and I am almost certain that there’s nothing in the house for them to eat for lunch and my wife and I are both working. And usually the delivery is from my friend’s restaurant.

Once maybe every two months, I will get food delivered at work from Uber eats, because I work in a bad neighborhood and the food choice are terrible, but I work not too far from Arthur Avenue in the Bronx, which has amazing Italian food, so I’ll either order from this one restaurant that I know is phenomenal, or I will get chipotle delivered. But even then, from the Italian restaurant, and it’s a very nice Italian restaurant and entrée for me, my mom, and my dad, plus the delivery fee tax tip. It ends up being almost $80. It’s ridiculously expensive.

Sounds about right; used to it now in CA. I don't get delivery so I keep it down at $70 for 3 for casual dining takeout. Fast food isn't worth it. Why pay more or equal for less healthy food?

andres3 · August 22

corvette said:

suydam said:
The burgers are not as good on the West Coast IMHO.
The west coast has In-N-Out... It's not a fair comparison.

We have Five Guys too; never liked them much; at least not enough for the premium. San Diego has Hodad's, and as my 11 year old daughter succinctly said about a year ago when she first tried it; it's like a high quality Gourmet In-N-Out!. Spot-on review IMHO. Prefer Hodad's, but they only have locations in and around Downtown.

andres3 · August 22

roadburner said:
From a long-time automotive industry insider, who refers to the Ford CEO as: Jim “I’m a genius, just ask me” Farley... "So, when is this EV ”wonder truck” due to be produced? Farley & Co. is saying 2027, which means, given Ford’s track record of fumbling product introductions and the radical transformation of its assembly processes to pull this vehicle off, figure sometime in 2028. And $30,000? It’s a nice target, but don’t count on that figure for a second."

So Musk isn't the only car company leader over-promising and under-delivering? Anyone here get a Cybertruck yet?

andres3 · August 22

roadburner said:

fintail said:
I remember tires were fun on my E55 AMG with staggered wheels. I only ran PS2s on it - from all accounts if you get to 20K miles and have more than racing slicks you're doing well.
On the C43 the staggered ContiSportContact 5 SSRs last around 14k miles on the front and 23k miles on the rear.

What crystal ball peering into the future is this you have?

The BMW X3 and now Macan are my first staggered fitment vehicles. You can only rotate left to right and vice versa is one problem.

andres3 · August 22

Michaell said:

stickguy said:
do you have a VIP parking spot and entrance at the DMV office?
Are you kidding? He has a dedicated agent on call…

The DMV should have a CCBA program where you just pay a flat fee and can make unlimited transactions. Isn't that what "used car dealerships" have?

andres3 · August 22

jmonroe1 said:

greg1288 said:
My niece who previously complained that she could not afford her approx $450 per mo. lease on a Nissan Rogue has now turned it in 6 months early on a 2025 Pathfinder for approx $650 per mo. I don't get it.
It looks pretty nice as well as the interior. I think it is an SV with cloth seats, sunroof and captain chair option and seems pretty well equipped. MSRP I think is mid $40K. According to her the salesman's selling point was that it had a V-6 and 9 speed Auto as opposed to the 4 cyl VC turbo and CVT in the Rogue. Those engines are prone to failure and Nissan has recalled over 400,000 of them.

She says she likes it very much although she will probably find out it will get 7 or 8 less Mpg compared to the Rogue so with the increase cost of gas she will probably be paying close to $300 a month more. It won't take long before she starts complaining she cannot afford it.
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The reason you don’t get it is you went to school before they taught “new math” and you don’t believe everything thing a car salesman tells you.

jmonroe

Speaking of salesman, I don't think it was the sales division, but "Customer Relations" that got the job done at Lexus of Escondido. New Porsche Key FOB finally received, and they paid for the $180 programming at Porsche of San Diego. Why $180? High hourly rate and they did give me a car wash. It's nice when a business (particularly a car dealership) does the right thing. Are you listening Kia of El Cajon?

andres3 · August 22

Michaell said:
Chatting with my sister this weekend. Her oldest has moved home after getting two masters degrees. He’s landed a job teaching HS in the San Diego area, but about an hour drive from home.

After only one week, his 2014 Jetta has sprung a small oil leak, and is in need of brakes. It has over 100k on the odometer, and it’s going into the mechanic for an evaluation. Fingers crossed that it isn’t too serious (read: expensive), but he has been casually looking for a replacement.

While the Jetta is in the shop, he’s been driving my moms 2003 Sonata, and commented how much he likes it.

One of the possible replacements is the Honda Civic hybrid. He was concerned that the Honda was smaller, until I did a Google search and found this:

The 2003 Hyundai Sonata has the following dimensions:
    •    Length: 186.9 inches.
    •    Width (without mirrors): 71.7 inches.
    •    Height: 56.0 inches.
    •    Wheelbase: 106.3 inches.
Interior dimensions
    •    Front Head Room: 39.3 inches.
    •    Rear Head Room: 37.6 inches.
    •    Front Leg Room: 43.3 inches.
    •    Rear Leg Room: 36.2 inches.
    •    Front Shoulder Room: 56.9 inches.
    •    Rear Shoulder Room: 55.7 inches.
    •    Front Hip Room: 55.8 inches.
    •    Rear Hip Room: 54.4 inches.
    •    Trunk Volume: 14.1 cubic feet.

The 2025 Honda Civic Sedan is a compact car that offers a surprising amount of interior space despite its size.
Here are the key dimensions:
    •    Length: 184.8 inches
    •    Width: 70.9 inches
    •    Height: 55.7 inches
Interior dimensions
    •    Passenger Volume: 99 cubic feet
    •    Cargo Volume: 14.8 cubic feet
    •    Headroom (front/rear): 39.3 / 37.1 inches
    •    Legroom (front/rear): 42.3 / 37.4 inches
    •    Shoulder Room (front/rear): 57.0 / 56.0 inches
    •    Hiproom (front/rear): 54.3 / 48.9 inches

My sister was shocked at how similar they are in size, and how todays “compact” was yesterdays “mid size”

Curious how they noticed an oil leak? Oil in the garage? Our favorite Audi/VW indy shop is now over $155/hour; no more cheap in San Diego.

andres3 · August 22

roadburner said:

corvette said:

roadburner said:
So, today I get an email from Jeep telling me I am getting a $100 gift card because my jeep was part of that recall.
That sounds like one of the corporate phishing test emails we regularly get ("Dunkin' is giving away free donuts and coffee!"). They're made a bit more difficult by the fact that we get DoorDash gift cards fairly often when we have lunch and learns, quarterly lunch meetings, or other special events, but we get advance warning of those so we know to expect them.
I had to call Jeep back. I googled the phone number it' is the same number used for their recall hotline. I gave them the last 8 digits of my VIN and they confirmed my name and email.

Fine Print ***$100 gift card towards a Dodge Dart.

xwesx · August 22

jmonroe1 said:

I take it you’re not the one that jacked it up. On the positive side you at least have room to move your arms when you’re doing work underneath. Guess this is good/bad depending on the work you’re doing.

FWIW Son #1 just installed a 4-post lift in the new house. He says he almost feels guilty doing work underneath his vehicles. Has even made a few new friends and I don’t mean new neighbors.

jmonroe

Oh, it is not jacked up! It is just standard height four-wheel-drive F250 superduty. But, the V8 6.7L diesel is a monster of an engine, and the hood opening is too tall (probably close to 4') to be able to stand next to the truck and bend over to reach things in the engine bay.

Michaell · August 22

@andres3 said:
Speaking of salesman, I don't think it was the sales division, but "Customer Relations" that got the job done at Lexus of Escondido. New Porsche Key FOB finally received, and they paid for the $180 programming at Porsche of San Diego. Why $180? High hourly rate and they did give me a car wash. It's nice when a business (particularly a car dealership) does the right thing. Are you listening Kia of El Cajon?

My sister bought her XC40 from that dealership and had a great experience as well.

Michaell · August 22

@andres3 said:
Curious how they noticed an oil leak? Oil in the garage? Our favorite Audi/VW indy shop is now over $155/hour; no more cheap in San Diego.

My sister lives in a fairly new house and any sort of drip or leak will be noticeable on the clean concrete driveway.

benjaminh · August 22

Well...in a way I'm buying another car. A year ago we gave one of our grown children who was an Art major and has health issues our 2018 CR-V. The other one has been surviving with their significant other's rough 2010 Accord (they borrow our Subaru when they go on trips), and so we offered to help them the equivalent amount. If all goes well, purchase will be completed Monday on a Cosmic blue pearl 2025 Outback Premium with option package 15, which includes blind-spot monitoring, moonroof, remote start, power rear gate, etc. Purchase price of $34k was 4k off list. Substantial downpayment and then 0.9% financing from Subaru for the remainder for 36 months. They will make the payments, but the loan will be in my name for complicated reasons, and so maybe it counts as a punch for our annual count here? idk.

The all-new 2026 Outback, as I've mentioned in the Subaru thread, is not my cup of tea. The '26 Outback has "angry robot" styling, and poor rear visibility bc the B-pillars are at least twice as thick as this generation, and so the back windows are small. Prices are higher too by a few thousand dollars.

I don't think anyone else here is currently interested in an Outback, but as they blow the last of the 25s out the doors there are deals to be had. Both salespeople I worked with said that, and were willing to go below invoice without much negotiation + there's the 0.9%. Difficult to believe, but the current Outback from my pov is nicer and more luxurious than the lower level Acuras like the ADX and the Integra. The turbo Outback will go 0-60 in 5.8. The ADX according to MT is an 8.2 car. The ADX is still faster than the standard boxer engine Outback, which is around 8.5+ or so.

Anyway, the one I'm picking up Monday looks like this one. They picked the color. I actually had one in white on tan for a thousand or so less in a city 150 miles away, but they liked blue better.

xwesx · August 22

Tempting! I just have to remind myself that I don't want to deal with all the nannies, and they don't offer the manual transmission as an option at any trim anymore. I'm pretty sure I would end up pulling the fuse on the Eyesight system after about ten minutes behind the wheel.

But, congrats all the same!

stickguy · August 22

I would buy one of those before an ADX, though I would prefer the slightly smaller size. I bet my wife would like it too.

benjaminh · August 22

This is part of the sheet of the other one I negotiated on, which in this deal is maybe one of the lowest-priced Outbacks with option package 15 in the country. Let me explain. About three months ago Subaru raised prices on the Outback c. $1500+ bc of the tariffs. Although the Outback is built in the US, the engines and transmissions come from Japan.

Only a few of these "pre-tariff" Subarus are still on the lots. So this pre-tariff one below has a list of c. $37k, but the list of this Outback on most lots would be c. $38.5 or so. So the price I was offered of $32,445 was in a way not just $4500 off list, but more like $6k off of list...

Here it is. I actually like the Crystal White Pearl with off-white interior...

https://www.subaruofgallatin.com/new/Subaru/2025-Subaru-Outback-for-sale-gallatin-tn-6dc9cda6ac181d067d811513004df7e1.htm

It's loaded from my pov...

stickguy · August 22

good deal. lot of car for the money. seems like it has everything I require.

qbrozen · August 22

@nyccarguy said:
How are you feeling today?

Thanks for asking. I’m dealing with it. 23 hours a day in bed. I take Alleve once a day and Advil once a day. That’s all I’ve needed. Any movement has to be well thought out. It is amazing how much we use our back muscles without realizing it.

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