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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,337

    I just want to see it. No t buy it. Pretty sure my wife will deem it to be too low.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,635
    28firefighter said:

    The dealers around here are doing $5-$10k ADM on the prelude. I think they’re out of their minds.

    Don’t worry, there are plenty of people who will fall for it.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,729
    benjaminh said:

    The Mazda CX-90 has an ok lease offer for a six-cylinder turbo vehicle of around $500 a month. According to one review I read the kinks of the first couple of years have been worked out, making the CX-90 a good value.

    Yes and no. The most egregious problems on the mild hybrid with the 6 have been worked out but the plug-in version with the 4-cylinder is still having lots of problems with the batteries. Then you have the still-jerky transmission at low speeds and noisy bakes and front suspension, along with an inscrutable infotainment system and driver aids that are very intrusive. It is surprisingly tight inside for such a large vehicle too. A lease is the only way to go if you must have one. There are better choices out there though as Mazda really dropped the ball on this one. They are now blaming a year+ of development being lost due to COVID as to why it was released in such half-baked form.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,729
    If having to register replacement batteries and other replacement components on your BMW wasn't bad enough, now they have come up with a proprietary fastener that fits no readily-available tool:

    https://www.autoblog.com/news/bmws-screw-that-no-one-else-can-turn?fbclid=IwY2xjawOyay5leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETE4eWJaaHRHTGpMTzZPRTZBc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHpIAInX-YasdkYUwDbcj8ulFTBcLJ0du-VVa8WfqXxr7umQ290WQlEHJe7hp_aem_zm5f8XnwHR0UIbslfjlcIg

    Pretty thing, though:


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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,851

    I think this may be the first year in a long time I haven’t bought a car/truck. Although I do plan on visiting the leasing boards before the year is out.

    I also spotted this deal. If what they say is true, seems like a pretty good buy for someone looking to drive it long-term. It is priced about 25% off a clean history version. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/431870894

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,202
    tifighter said:

    au1994 said:

    28firefighter said:

    The dealers around here are doing $5-$10k ADM on the prelude. I think they’re out of their minds.


    Change that to a $5-10K discount and we can talk.
    Just wait a year. When the MSRP went into the 40's, they lost any hope of this thing succeeding.
    I agree. They missed the mark on design/engineering, and on value. They need a new VTEC that produces 10-15% more power, and then they have to deliver on value too.
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  • greg128greg128 Member Posts: 552
    edited December 2025
    au1994 said:

    28firefighter said:

    The dealers around here are doing $5-$10k ADM on the prelude. I think they’re out of their minds.


    Change that to a $5-10K discount and we can talk.
    seems like a very overpriced and underpowered "Sports" car

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-2ictM3-PjU

    A Nissan Z has double the horsepower for around the same price and nobody buys them. I think these will have a short run.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,202
    Speaking of rattles, my bosses recent model Chevy Traverse sizeable SUV has a nasty front dash cowl rattle by the windshield. Possible it was a windshield replacement that caused or exacerbated it.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,337

    Unless a shock happens in the next week this will be my 2nd calendar year in a row with no punches. Unless you count houses.

    I will also be hitting up Subaru and Lexus on our upcoming shopping trips.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,635
    qbrozen said:

    I think this may be the first year in a long time I haven’t bought a car/truck. Although I do plan on visiting the leasing boards before the year is out.

    I also spotted this deal. If what they say is true, seems like a pretty good buy for someone looking to drive it long-term. It is priced about 25% off a clean history version. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/431870894

    I assume from the AMG moniker that this is a high performance vehicle. Do you ever worry about buying such cars considering the previous owner may have raced or abused it?

    2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2010 Ford Fusion SEL, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,635
    greg128 said:

    test

    au1994 said:

    28firefighter said:

    The dealers around here are doing $5-$10k ADM on the prelude. I think they’re out of their minds.


    Change that to a $5-10K discount and we can talk.
    seems like a very overpriced and underpowered "Sports" car

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-2ictM3-PjU

    A Nissan Z has double the horsepower for around the same price and nobody buys them. I think these will have a short run.
    8+ second 0-60 isn’t impressive for $59k.

    2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2010 Ford Fusion SEL, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,953

    @tifighter said:

    @qbrozen said:
    I think this may be the first year in a long time I haven’t bought a car/truck. Although I do plan on visiting the leasing boards before the year is out.

    I also spotted this deal. If what they say is true, seems like a pretty good buy for someone looking to drive it long-term. It is priced about 25% off a clean history version. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/431870894

    History aside, its a German 2 liter 4 cylinder putting out 380+ hp with nearly 50k miles and no warranty. How can you lose? The 25% discount should cover the first head gasket.

    Tell us how you really feel, @tifighter

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,202
    28firefighter said:

    @tifighter said:

    @qbrozen said:

    I think this may be the first year in a long time I haven’t bought a car/truck. Although I do plan on visiting the leasing boards before the year is out.

    I also spotted this deal. If what they say is true, seems like a pretty good buy for someone looking to drive it long-term. It is priced about 25% off a clean history version. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/431870894

    History aside, its a German 2 liter 4 cylinder putting out 380+ hp with nearly 50k miles and no warranty. How can you lose? The 25% discount should cover the first head gasket.

    Tell us how you really feel, @tifighter


    My German 2L with about 355 HP and 365 lb/ft tuned has nearly 75K miles and has been fine. Keeping it under 375 HP per 4 cylinders seems to be the trick.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,742
    edited December 2025
    For those who want the tea on the BlueOval SK debacle, check out JonF1's comments in this Reddit thread. I think he was fired in March. He's a bit heavy handed on using predictive text and swipe to type, so it's a little hard to read, but still understandable, and I believe him. The comment about corporate not providing information and drawings to the field engineers is wild. What were they paying them to do, stand around and guess how to configure (or break) all the components they were shipping in?

    Tentatively, they plan to build grid storage batteries there, but IMO, that place will be gutted and turned into a data center sooner than we might think.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,851
    oldfarmer50 said:

    qbrozen said:

    I think this may be the first year in a long time I haven’t bought a car/truck. Although I do plan on visiting the leasing boards before the year is out.

    I also spotted this deal. If what they say is true, seems like a pretty good buy for someone looking to drive it long-term. It is priced about 25% off a clean history version. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/431870894

    I assume from the AMG moniker that this is a high performance vehicle. Do you ever worry about buying such cars considering the previous owner may have raced or abused it?
    Hi. We haven't met.

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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,867

    @andres3 said:
    My German 2L with about 355 HP and 365 lb/ft tuned has nearly 75K miles and has been fine. Keeping it under 375 HP per 4 cylinders seems to be the trick.

    Okay, well I’m sure these guys would love you to stop by for a test drive.

    26 TX 550h+ / 25 NX 450h+ / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,851
    The condition of this, given the brand, miles, and location is flat out shocking to me.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,616
    corvette said:

    For those who want the tea on the BlueOval SK debacle, check out JonF1's comments in this Reddit thread. I think he was fired in March. He's a bit heavy handed on using predictive text and swipe to type, so it's a little hard to read, but still understandable, and I believe him. The comment about corporate not providing information and drawings to the field engineers is wild. What were they paying them to do, stand around and guess how to configure (or break) all the components they were shipping in?

    Tentatively, they plan to build grid storage batteries there, but IMO, that place will be gutted and turned into a data center sooner than we might think.

    One of the guys on the Asian side of that fiasco partnership wrote an opinion price for the Curious Courier Journal wherein he stated that one of the goals of the company was to "eliminate driving." Good riddance to that inept fool.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,635
    qbrozen said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    qbrozen said:

    I think this may be the first year in a long time I haven’t bought a car/truck. Although I do plan on visiting the leasing boards before the year is out.

    I also spotted this deal. If what they say is true, seems like a pretty good buy for someone looking to drive it long-term. It is priced about 25% off a clean history version. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/431870894

    I assume from the AMG moniker that this is a high performance vehicle. Do you ever worry about buying such cars considering the previous owner may have raced or abused it?
    Hi. We haven't met.
    Yeah, I forgot who I was talking to. I the future I’ll refrain from projecting my paranoia on you.🤣

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,635
    roadburner said:

    corvette said:

    For those who want the tea on the BlueOval SK debacle, check out JonF1's comments in this Reddit thread. I think he was fired in March. He's a bit heavy handed on using predictive text and swipe to type, so it's a little hard to read, but still understandable, and I believe him. The comment about corporate not providing information and drawings to the field engineers is wild. What were they paying them to do, stand around and guess how to configure (or break) all the components they were shipping in?

    Tentatively, they plan to build grid storage batteries there, but IMO, that place will be gutted and turned into a data center sooner than we might think.

    One of the guys on the Asian side of that fiasco partnership wrote an opinion price for the Curious Courier Journal wherein he stated that one of the goals of the company was to "eliminate driving." Good riddance to that inept fool.
    If you are a conspiracy theorist, that’s been the plan overall for some time.😩

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,835

    @roadburner said:
    I know that many of you will be shocked to learn that I enjoy stirring the pot on one of the Jeep 4xe forums. One guy in particular can only post repetitive whines about his leased Wrangler. At one point I mentioned that I had another vehicle in my driveway and I received the following response from that dimwit:

    Ahhh... and there it is again. Another owner of several cars. So, no biggie. You can just drive one of your others, eh? Yep. Well, us poor people out here who only own one vehicle HAVE to drive this piece of crap around. We have no choice. But you go right ahead and have fun living up there in your ivory tower. Us real people out here will simply disregard your stupid opinion. Thanks.

    Perhaps CCBA should be renamed "Ivory Tower Denizens."

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    Pot stirrer? You? How many aprons do you go through in a day? :o

    jmonroe

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,835

    @au1994 said:
    I bet he’s a hit at holiday parties.

    ————————————————
    Yeah, but folks like that have to be concerned when the worm turns and they’re no longer a hit but rather hit on. :(

    jmonroe

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,337

    That dude has a point. When you only have one car and depend on it constant downtime is a killer. I assume it was in the co text of issues requiring extended dealer visits?

    I did think of you today. I parked between 2 newer wranglers and both had a corset of ducks on The dash.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,616
    Another entertaining post from the 4xe forum; you can't make this stuff up...

    This whole thing is a nightmare. My husband sold his ‘21 Mercedes and 07 Hummer and bought his 2023 Rubicon 4xe in 2024. I loved it so I sold my 2015 Range Rover and my Jeep Liberty I bought new in 2002. Now we about have a heart attack, when driving not knowing if or when it will burst into flames.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,835

    @roadburner said:
    Another entertaining post from the 4xe forum; you can't make this stuff up...

    This whole thing is a nightmare. My husband sold his ‘21 Mercedes and 07 Hummer and bought his 2023 Rubicon 4xe in 2024. I loved it so I sold my 2015 Range Rover and my Jeep Liberty I bought new in 2002. Now we about have a heart attack, when driving not knowing if or when it will burst into flames.

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    Those are the worst 2 for 1 swaps I’ve ever heard of. Shoulda kept at least 1 for emergencies like now. :|

    jmonroe

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,635
    xwesx said:

    Honestly, if people are going to be that paranoid and insecure when using a vehicle, it is probably best if they just... don't. It must be a real eye-opener to realize that life comes with risk. :o

    And, it is hard to feel sorry for someone who has only one vehicle when that one vehicle is a new Wrangler. We all make our choices!

    Even I usually had two hoopties in the driveway. Neither was a Jeep but something was always breaking down on one of them.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 18,021
    oldfarmer50 said:

    Even I usually had two hoopties in the driveway. Neither was a Jeep but something was always breaking down on one of them.

    Yep; I can remember more than a few times needing to dig out on of my old rigs from their snowy slumbers to step in for our "only car" being MIA. It is a choice. And, for us at that time, it was the right one!
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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,867

    @breld said:
    Wife and I took the 911 and Cayman in for routine oil changes today.

    Total bill for the two…$740.

    Good news is they didn’t find anything else that needed addressing.

    If those are routine annuals at a dealer, that’s a great price.

    26 TX 550h+ / 25 NX 450h+ / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,746
    Yes, this is over simplification. I found that a similar service at the Audi dealer is about twice as what I pay at the VW dealer. Both have similar EA888 engines, same oil filter, different oil specs, and other shared parts. I would be interested what Porsche would charge for similar services on the EA888 engine as well. 50% more?

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,827
    According to this new video from CNBC, Lucid has lost $7 billion in the last few years. It looks like sales in 2025 will be around 20,000 vehicles. But their factory in Arizona theoretically now has the capacity to build 90k a year. Lucid might introduce an under $60k midsize EV SUV by late 2026 or so.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXtq1K6fwJo
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,851
    roadburner said:

    I know that many of you will be shocked to learn that I enjoy stirring the pot on one of the Jeep 4xe forums. One guy in particular can only post repetitive whines about his leased Wrangler. At one point I mentioned that I had another vehicle in my driveway and I received the following response from that dimwit:

    Ahhh... and there it is again. Another owner of several cars. So, no biggie. You can just drive one of your others, eh? Yep. Well, us poor people out here who only own one vehicle HAVE to drive this piece of crap around. We have no choice. But you go right ahead and have fun living up there in your ivory tower. Us real people out here will simply disregard your stupid opinion. Thanks.

    Perhaps CCBA should be renamed "Ivory Tower Denizens."

    Hell, that poster driving a $60k vehicle while "poor" must put me in the homeless category. My 4 vehicles don't total even $40k.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,834

    The dealers around here are doing $5-$10k ADM on the prelude. I think they’re out of their minds.

    Change that to a $5-10K discount and we can talk.

    Even then, it’s still too much!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,851

    I wonder how crazy the bidding on this will get
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-toyota-hilux-6/

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,742
    "Sold for 73 godzillion dollars."
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,867

    @benjaminh said:
    According to this new video from CNBC, Lucid has lost $7 billion in the last few years. It looks like sales in 2025 will be around 20,000 vehicles. But their factory in Arizona theoretically now has the capacity to build 90k a year. Lucid might introduce an under $60k midsize EV SUV by late 2026 or so.

    Well if we’re going to talk about Lucid…
    https://youtu.be/1WiQAOmESH0?si=2wGqBEKZcRX7M_dP

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,835
    edited December 2025

    @benjaminh said:
    According to this new video from CNBC, Lucid has lost $7 billion in the last few years. It looks like sales in 2025 will be around 20,000 vehicles. But their factory in Arizona theoretically now has the capacity to build 90k a year. Lucid might introduce an under $60k midsize EV SUV by late 2026 or so.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXtq1K6fwJo

    ————————————————
    Could it be that the guy who made the video (provided by @tifighter) about the Lucid software design glitches is responsible for Lucid’s sales tanking?

    jmonroe

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 268,879
    My sister and BIL took their first road trip in the i5 today. Drove from their house NE of San Diego to a hotel on the beach of our hometown (about 60 miles NW of LA), a total distance of about 185 miles.

    Car was 100% charged when they left, showing 305 miles of range. When they arrived, it had 38% charge remaining.

    They got 1000 free charging hours from BMW with the lease, so they've identified an Electrify America charging station not far from the hotel. They figure an hour to get recharged, then another straight shot home.

    Yes, refilling a gas tank would take 5-10 minutes, but the charging station is at an outdoor mall, so they can wander and shop while they wait.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,835

    @Michaell said:
    My sister and BIL took their first road trip in the i5 today. Drove from their house NE of San Diego to a hotel on the beach of our hometown (about 60 miles NW of LA), a total distance of about 185 miles.

    Car was 100% charged when they left, showing 305 miles of range. When they arrived, it had 38% charge remaining.

    They got 1000 free charging hours from BMW with the lease, so they've identified an Electrify America charging station not far from the hotel. They figure an hour to get recharged, then another straight shot home.

    Yes, refilling a gas tank would take 5-10 minutes, but the charging station is at an outdoor mall, so they can wander and shop while they wait.

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    I believe you said you’re from Oxnard CA.

    When I was a working stiff we dealt with a company in Oxnard (late 80s) and when I went there, many times, I always stayed at a place on the beach too. It was the Embassy Suites. And IIRC the place was also known as the Mandalay Beach Resort Hotel. Very nice place. Even took Mrs. j there once while I was on a business trip there for a week. She really liked that place too.

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