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Thanks for the info on trading in a leased car for another lease... I figured this was the case but they always make it sound so good at the dealer, don't they! I guess they want you to drive off with it today, good thing we went in my car and not his Focus otherwise that might just have happened...
Anyway, the whole Focus thing aside (that all depends on what the dealer's offer is and if my husband wants to wait till the end of the year) can you tell me what the residual value is on a 36 month lease of a Nissan 350Z (the Track model with all the options) standard, 12K per year? And the money factor?
Then I have another question. In the Car leasing advice section I read to call the dealer and have them give you a quote on a lease payment. Now, we've never been able to get a straight answer there, they always said they need to run our credit to see what interest rate - lease payment they can offer us. They are right about that, aren't they?
Thanks so much for all the info.
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Calculating lease payments really is not all that difficult if you know what you are doing. I have created an Excel spreadsheet that I use to quickly calculate sample lease payments. I have posted an explanation on how to calculate lease payment on vehicles on the Message Boards in the discussion called "The Return of "How to Calculate Monthly Lease Payments." You can find it by clicking on the "Display ALL Smart Shopper Discussions" button and scrolling to the very bottom of the at the bottom of the main Finance, Warranty, and Insurance page.
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Anyway, now I find myself with an offer on a 530i, MT (special order, not from dealer stock). Anyway, the price seems good ($1,000 lower than TMV), but I'm not sure about the moneyfactor (he's quoting .00165) and the aquisition fee is $750 - which seems high.
This is for a 36/15k $0 down lease.
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I got the following quote for an E320. The MSRP is 52300. Sale price is 50440. The length is 39 months with 12k per year. The residual is 67% and the money factor is .00325 (7.8%). The money factor is much higher than what you provided last week, which I believe was .00285 -- the residual looks right. The acquisition fee is $595. The total payment, including 3% sales tax is 736.04/month. When I run the numbers, I get 692/month. Am I doing something wrong or am I getting taken to the cleaners?
Thanks.
other possibility is if they DID run credit and it wasn't top-tier, then maybe the MF is accurate. But I assume they didn't ask for a credit check just to write up a quote.
Thanks for the info. They did not run the credit check and I even asked if that was the rate quoted for customers with excellent credit and he said yes. Sounds like I should find another dealer to work with. This one is HBL in Vienna, Va.
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Last time we spoke I was asking about the new GX470, but today I just found out we're expecting triplets. Needless to say we're going to be looking for a larger truck. Can you provide me with the MF and Residual value would be for an 03 Suburban and Expedition on a 48 month term.
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As far as negotiating a lease goes, I personally like to negotiate a price on the vehicle that I am interested in first, and then get into the talk about lease payments. Vehicles' prices can be negotiated on leases, just like they can on cash purchases. Dealers often like to quote lease payments without mentioning vehicles' prices in an hopes that consumers will not realize what price they actually are being charged. By negotiating price first, one can be assured that they are getting a good deal, price-wise.
When dealers tell you that they can not provide you with a monthly lease payment without running your credit, they do have a point that one's credit rating definitely will have an impact upon what sort of interest rate they will receive. However, in most cases, manufacturers' lease programs are fairly lenient in who they approve and you should be fine if your credit is decent and you get them to quote you a deal based upon the best available program. For instance, with the Nissan 350Z, the money factor that I quoted you is good for consumers who qualify for their first, second, and third credit tiers. Although I do not know the exact cutoffs for theirs tiers score-wise, your credit would have to be fairly messed up not to qualify for one of these levels. I think that dealers are reluctant to quote lease payments over the phone for two several reasons. The first is a legitimate fear that you indeed may have horrible credit and hot qualify for the rate that they used to calculate your payment. The second reason is that they do not want to give you a quick price quote over the phone and then have you shop it all over town. Another reason is that by getting you into their showroom and running your credit they have dramatically increased their chances of being able to sell you a vehicle.
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It was quite a shock for my wife and I as well. They will be our first too, we have no idea what we're in for. I would like to add another truck to my request. Can you provide the MF and Residual value for the Yukon Denali for a 48 month lease at 12K per?
As always thanks for your assistance.
I spent some time with two BMW dealers here in So Cal yesterday and they both tried to pad the MF. In hindsight, the guy offering .00165 was at least close - the other one first told me that the MF was .00250!. The sales manager quickly adjusted to .00165 whan confronted with the facts, but for some reason his total calculations were coming in about $40/mo higher than mine. He suggested "my" lease calculator was flawed (not mine, its Edmunds!). Finally, when I asked to see his worksheet (for the fourth time) I saw what he was doing: He was amortizing the inception fees (aquisition and first month's payment) into the capitalized cost! I can understand this if I was financing the inception costs, but I wasn't, they were all upfront cash. When I pointed out he was double dipping the inception cost, he yelled at me and accused me of "trying to steal a BMW from him". An Academy Award performance it was not.
Needless to say, I won't be buying a BMW from THAT store. I do feel sorry for the sales guy though: we were very close to a deal when the sales manager pulled his stunts.
Sorry for the rant. Maybe I should post this in "inconsiderate Sales Persons" topic....
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CarMan - is the .0015 across all 3-series and 5-series (except Ms?).
a friend is going to lease a 2003 Jetta Gls for 36/months, 12k/year. Could I get the numbers(money factor/residual) for her here in Chicago?
Sorry, she is looking at the 1.8 turbo & plain 4 cyl.- non turbo. Also, if you could give me an idea of any other fees or incentives involved.
Thanks in advance!
Were you willing to weed through the Toyota maze and get residuals, money factors, finance rates for the Highlander (New York - 3 Years - 15,000 for lease) or (4 Years for finance)?
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Steve
As far as GM's lease support goes, lease support can be offered in three different forms, lease interest rate support, residual value support, and lease cash. General Motors uses a combination of all three of these on the majority of its models. Unfortunately, their lease interest rates are usually either 3.5% or 6.5% and do not approach the 0.0% special financing rates that they have out there, but they are still offering quite a bit of lease support on their models when one looks at the whole picture.
Vehicles residual values are based on their full MSRPs, including destination and the MSRPs of any options that may be residualized.
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Before I mention Ford's lease program on the Expedition, please keep in mind that their lease rates often vary by region. For now, I will provide you information on with what I believe to be their most widely available program. If you were to lease a 2003 Ford Expedition XLT 4WD (let me know if you are interested in a different trim level) through Ford Motor Credit for 4 years with 15,000 miles per, their base lease rate and residual value should be 7.0% and 43%, respectively. Ford did recently introduce $500 dealer cash on a number of models, including the 2003 Expedition, which I believe may be used in conjunction with this lease program, so that helps.
As you can see, the lease programs on both of these trucks are nothing to write home about. Trucks are the one last profitable product that the domestic manufacturers have. They have been able to continue to sell quite a few large SUVs with only a nominal amount of support, unlike their cars. As a result, you won't likely see killer incentives on either of these models right now.
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I also just noticed that you only need 12,000 miles per year. Since that is the case, add 3% to the GM's 15,000 miles per year residual values and 2% to Fords to convert them to 12k.
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Help what can I do. The dealership told me it is not possible and would cost too much (funny, I think it will cost me too much also).
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Thanks again. I cannot imagine doing this without you. Car shopping will never be the same!
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It was pretty amusing - I started negotiations right off the bat saying I knew the rate and residuals, and while haggling over the final couple hundred, the sales manager said something to the effect of "I've sold a few cars at a lower price, but normally I would make more money back by marking up the money factor, so this is the best I can do".
I can't imagine I leased a car three years ago without knowing these numbers in advance.. Its like driving blind!
Some website like Edmunds needs to get on the ball and start posting this data right along with invoice and TMV. Doesn't seem fair that discounted interest rates are advertised on TV but the money factors some big secret...
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Is the acquisition fee normally paid up front or rolled into the monthly fee?
Thanks again for the great info. I've got the MB dealer "hemming and hawing" over quoting me the higher money factor. Asked for an explanation and he got flustered! Still don't know if I want to deal with them!
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Have a great weekend!
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I've got the hang of working the numbers with a decimal point for the money factor, but I'm not quite sure what to do with 6.50% as the money factor. I'm working the numbers for a Suburban LT and I'm using $40,000 as the cap cost number since they're offering 2000 cash back in the IL area at 48 months with 15,000 miles. Using 46% residual I've come up with 450 per month but I don't know how to work 6.50% MF into that. Can you please give me some insight on this. As you can tell Math isn't my specialty.
thanks for your help
I am trying to determine if I am getting a good deal from an Audi dealer in CT. Looking at the Audi A6 2.7t with Cold, Premium, Bose Sound, 17" Tires Parktronic options with a MSRP of $44,835. Dealer quoted me $43,561 which is $2,708 over invoice. Dealer said a 36 month lease 2/ 15k miles using 2.64% (.0011 Money factor) .52 Residual would net to $669 / month. Does this sound like realistic numbers.. i.e. the .52 Residual. Also, the quoted price seems a bit high, do I have some wiggle room here?
Thanks in advance for any help/advice!
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Since the last time I posted my query the situation has changed somewhat (for the better) and here is the whole deal:
MSRP is 36200 now (added metallic paint to the previous MSRP of 35720).
Dealer discount is 750
Down is 2800 now (down from 3000) incl 550 in security, 400 for plates, 725 for acquisition, and 500 for first month. That makes my "down payment" 625 instead of the earlier 825. I asked the dealer about the acq fee being 525 - his response was that it is for Euro Delivery. For US delivery it is more and I should pay 725. Anycase, he has lowered my downpayment overall by 200 dollars.
The state sales tax is 7%. I'm doing a 15000/36 lease.
The latest monthly payment quoted is 489.90 (incl of tax)
Let me know how this looks.
Thanks a ton.
Pavan
i assume a 2003 RAV4 2wd is right about a $20,000 car...let's say $21000...
$289 times 36 = $10404
plus $2000 down = $12404
+ $350 disp. fee = $12754...
and then if you want to buy the car it's another $12,480.... am i missing something?? how is this a good deal on a $20000-$21000 car?? especially with that $2000 down payment? i'm not trying to be a weisenheimer... i'm clueless on leases...but, what makes this a good deal??
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I ran your lease numbers through my spreadsheet and tried to match them up with a recent quote I got on a 325ixt (wagon) the first week of this month in a similar price range to the one you are looking to lease.
The offer you have came out about $60 month higher than the one I got.
The BMW FS bank fee was $525 and disposition fee at lease end was $350. The dealer profit was a meager $350 over invoice. Money factor was .00225 ( 5.4% and I think it's lower now ). Doc fees (tag etc) were $278 - but that varies a great deal by dealership and is VERY negotiable. The residual was 62% on a 39 month deal and 63% on 36.
The tax rate in Massachusetts is 5%. This was at Herb Chambers BMW in Boston.
Good luck!