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Ford Focus Hatchback ZX3 - Part XI

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  • rgarnerrgarner Member Posts: 37
    Changed the oil for the first time on my Z last night, so I got a good chance to look around at things. Observations...

    Washer fluid-for those of you who were wondering where the bladder is, you can see it next to the front driver's side tire (underneath the car). I didn't think it was a big tank, but I almost put in a whole gallon of fluid. After it was in I looked for noticeable leaks and found none. I wonder if it was even filled up at the dealership (plant).

    Tranny noise-Yes , the noise still concerns me as well. I think it sounds like the clutch, gears, etc. aren't reseting properly. Now that I have ramps I'm going to find out where the noise is coming from, but I'm fairly certain that it's in the tranny. Also, I think we can throw out the idea of the metal heat shield as a potential noise maker. My heat shields are firmly attached to the car.

    Oil saga-I found out that not all the diff. brands of filters that fit our cars have the same oil wrench. Not fun once I had the car on ramps and already had the oil drained out, but it eventually came loose. I thought the procedure was fairly simple, though I agree that the oil filter is in a tough place. Also, while I think it's impossible to remove the filter without spilling some oil on the engine, it was easy to wipe off. I wonder if that's the oil smell problem some people are experiencing, though my gut tells me it's probably not. Anyway, successful oil change #1, 982 miles, 4.5 qts.

    Overall, I feel more comfortable with my Z after inspecting the engine. She's much more complicated than the Jeep Wrangler I drove previously, and I shudder at the fact that there are so many computer, electronic related problems that could go wrong that I can't fix. Older engines seem so much easier to diagnose and fix.

    Happy ZZZZZ's
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Great post - you are correct about the washer reservoir, I doubt the factory is filling them, and few dealers bother to check (never mind all that "pre delivery inspection" BS). When I took delivery of my car & my fiancee's car, the reservoirs were bone dry.

    Re: mess after filter removal - after I'm done with the filter change, I put on eye protection and spray the area under the filter with Brakleen. This is great stuff, as it degreases on contact, washes away the spillage, and evaporates in a flash. Very handy to keep around the garage.

    To the person with the misaligned door - are you positive it isn't the sill moulding that is mis-aligned? Door alignment can be a real bear, and if you get it wrong, you are going to have latching problems, rattles, and wind noise - let the dealer fool with it.
  • gabegarwickgabegarwick Member Posts: 127
    Pat,
    I couldn't find that TSB you were referring to...
    I found three that were for the Auto tranny, but I believe none were the one to which you referred.

    point it out for us eh?
    thanks,
    Gabe
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Superf22,
    I haul gasoline, jetfuel, diesel fuel for a living. About 18 years now. The refineries usually increase their octane to keep the product quality up there. If you are purchasing 87.0 Octane from a good source, you are probably getting atleast 88.0 octane.

    Just make sure you are buying your gas from a good supplier. Any of the local large chains will do, doesn't have to be one of the "big" companies. Usually a good clean station indicated good clean product. Remember, newer stations have newer tanks. DON'T buy your gas when a tanker is making a delivery. It stirs up anything on bottom of the stations tank, i.e. dirt, rust, water. The filters get plugged and bypass this. You want to wait at least 1/2 hour for it to settle before buying your gas.

    Gabe,
    Thanks, August is on top of us.

    Pat
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    The contour owners are chasing the same problem.
    They get the same MTX-75 manual tranny.

    Check out their "Chasing the noise" topic:

    http://contour.org/cgi/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Problems&number=3&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin=
  • bvongy01bvongy01 Member Posts: 1
    Here's what I've always heard about the subject of Octane. (Refer back to your Sophomore chemistry book.) Octane refers to the structure of the gas molecule. It is a ring of carbon atoms. A number of these rings are connected to form an molecule of gasoline. The higher the number of rings the higher the octane number. The higher the octane number, the more difficult it is for the given unit of gasoline to release it's energy. We use premium gas (higher octane)in high compression engines because lower octane gas has a tendency to pre-ignite (before the piston is at top-dead-center, for the sake of this argument) causing knock. Lower compression engines don't need this "protection" from pre-ignition. So, when you use a gas with a higher octane number than is called for in your manual, you're not getting more power, you're only keeping it from knocking. Of course, if you're into buying gas that costs .20 cents per gallon more than what you need for your engine, you're more than welcome to keep doing that. It won't hurt but it won't do what the gas companies have been implying it will do for you.
  • skater4skater4 Member Posts: 35
    Well, you can officially put me on the "waiting forever for a part" list. I took my Z in to get the waterlogged foglight checked out, and they told me it would be 10 days before they could get a new light. Ten days for a foglight?! I guess that's the norm for the Focus, isn't it? Good thing it's not a part I have to give up the car for! I totally feel for those who went months without their cars (drebe, etc.). You guys have my complete and utter sympathy. Everyone drive super-carefully!

    My 2 cents on octane: I had a brief delusional period where I thought that higher octane gas would be beneficial to my crappy Tercel. After paying several dollars more for gas for a while, I woke up and realized that higher octane wasn't doing a thing for my car. The whole thing is a big scam. Stick to 87; that's all we need for our little z's.
  • powerslidepowerslide Member Posts: 48
    Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that using a higher octane gas can actually lead to (bear with me) "octane dependence". Higher octane gasoline contains a greater amount of ash. This ash is the stuff that that coats your combustion chamber, also known as carbon deposits. So, you think you are doing your engine a favor by using a medium grade of gas. All of a sudden your car starts pinging (from carbon deposits). So what do you do? You do what the oil companies tell you to do and that is go with the premium gas to get rid of the pinging. Well, that only works for so long before the premium causes more carbon deposits and THEN WHAT? You car is pinging again. You then have to use one of the combustion chamber cleaning products to get rid of the carbon. So, use what the manual says to use, period.
  • greycapgreycap Member Posts: 19
    bvongy, I agree with your post, except that my memory of sophomore chemistry differs slightly in the details. (Sophomore was 18 years ago for me, so I may not be more accurate than you - just different!)

    Gasoline is not a simple chemical, but a melange of different hydrocarbons. Some of these incorporate ring structures as you say (some of these are aromatic), some have no rings but do have double or triple carbon bonds, but the majority are simple hydrocarbons, which are named according to the number of carbons, as in "octane", which has 8. There are also small amounts of compounds containing oxygen, nitrogen, or sulphur. Fuel makers try to get rid of these because they produce strong acids that attack your engine, lungs etc.

    Anyway, one important aspect of any fuel is it's energy content, and as I recall this is what octane measures. There is a standard way of measuring the energy content of a gasoline by using it to run a special engine and measuring the work done. The test is calibrated so that a fuel consisting entirely of n-octane would score 100; 87 means 87% of pure n-octane (The "n" means 8 carbons in a line, rather than in a "T" or "H", say - these configurations have slightly different energy contents.)

    Generally speaking, a higher proportion of heavier fractions (with more carbons) is needed in order to get a higher octane fuel (because generally, large hydrocarbons have more energy than small ones.) As you say, these don't ignite as easily as lighter fractions, and so are resistant to "pre-igniting." But they are also harder to burn completely, leaving you with unburnt hydrocarbons in your engine and exhaust.

    Aside from achieving the desired octane level, fuel makers manipulate the proportion of volatile fractions regionally and seasonally so that your car will start easily at what is likely to be the ambient temperature.

    All of the above was salvaged from from my distant (and alcohol-soaked) early university years, so I apologize for whatever I've gotten wrong.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    we should have kept the lead in the fuel.we wouldnt
    have any of this nonsense with fouled-up engines
    or fuel.the catalytic converter is another culprit.
    return to what worked well in the first place.
  • drebe73drebe73 Member Posts: 243
    Got a Speeding ticket today. Argh!!!!!!!!
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    "9.5 Why are hydrogen-powered cars not available?

    The Hindenburg."
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    I've found, and that FAQ link supports, that brand is more important than octane.

    Cheep gas (Arco, Conoco, Exxon, etc.) makes my car noticeably more sluggish. I try to stick with Texaco and Chevron. You'll end up with fewer deposits and less sluggishness.
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    ...or cheap...you know what I meant. =]
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm

    Actually, it now looks like the Hindenburg went up so spectacularly because it was painted with the same stuff that is used today as the fuel in the solid rocket boosters that help launch the space shuttle. Namely aluminum powder and some some binders. All that was required was a good static zap (it happened during a thunderstorm) and poof! The hydrogen made for a pretty big flame after the fact, but it wasn't the primary cause of the disaster.

    The big reason hydrogen isn't used as automobile fuel is that it takes as much energy to produce the stuff as you get when you burn it. Until someone develops a cheap way to seperate the hydrogen and ozygen in water, hydrogen won't be of much value.
  • rwgreenbergrwgreenberg Member Posts: 154
    Hi I'm getting close to ordering a 2001. I checked the prices at carsdirect.com (the only web site I know of that is taking orders for the 2001) and they posted a price 500 over invoice (asking $13470, invoice $12970) for the 5 speed with the ~1000 dollar premium package. Any advice? Do you think it pays to check with the local dealers, or stick to the web for the best dea? Thanks

    P.S. I've also posted this in the zx3 prices conference, but there seems to be little participation there at this time.
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    "we should have kept the lead in the fuel."

    Actually that's a terrible idea IMHO . It's great for the cars but awful for us. If it did not pollute the environment, plants and animals and give brain damage to kids, then I'm sure it would be in the gas.
    Maybe you were making a joke and I missed it.? :>)
  • miata23miata23 Member Posts: 26
    I initially went to the Web to order, but ended up buying from a dealer - 1st because the salesman was interested in getting me the car I wanted and not one that was the closest thing he could find and 2nd because he agreed to sell it for $100 over dealer invoice (per a referral from Costco)

    I used Edmunds.com to get invoice pricing and then e-mailed some websites and dealers for quotes. I didn't like my contact at Carsdirect - he kept trying to put me in a ZX3 without the options I wanted.

    Besides the $100 profit, my dealer will also get 3% of the MSRP back from Ford - so they did alright and it was worth it to me for their no-hassle approach.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    do you really believe there are less pollutants with todays fuels? i honestly believe the by-products
    of the so-called re-formulated,so-called(enviro-
    friendly) green gas which is now mandated year-round in philly-area is more harmful than leaded-
    fuel from a more sensible time ever was.the pendulum to protect us from allege harm has swung
    wildly way to the left.maybe we can hear from states where this fuel was once mandated and now banned.im all for safe clean air,now this garbage we are federally-mandated to use is suspected to be
    polluting our water supply.are you still enjoying your z?
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    I agree that the additives should be taken out as they are polluting like crazy. But, that does not mean we need to add lead for crying out loud. One has no effect on the other. Lead was to prevent knock I think and the clean air council mandated additives are to make gas burn cleaner. They both should be 'outta here'!!
    Oh, and the car is running nice thank you.
    Taking it in tomorrow for the first oil change and tire rotation if needed. Nice thing about this dealership is they have a mini 'jiffy lube' on site so you do not need to make an appointment.
  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    hey people...

    I found a superchip on sale for fairly cheap i think.. is it worth buying? what exactly would it do? what does the chip normally cost? any feedback would be appreciated.

    thanks
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Which brand chip? "Superchip"?
  • powerslidepowerslide Member Posts: 48
    I did pretty much the same thing as miata23. I used one of the referral services (cars.com) and said I would pay NO MORE than invoice. Some dealers responded with the usual "well if we did that we wouldn't make any money" garbage. One dealer about 65 miles away said he would go for invoice. I waltzed into my hometown dealer and advised him I could get the car at dealer XYZ for invoice and will he match it. He came within $100 of invoice and I decided not to grind for the extra bucks. They do have free loaners and it keeps the money local. So, I don't see why you can't get invoice or very near it for a factory order.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    ...wasn't a very good idea, although it was a fairly cheap way to increase the octane rating of gasoline. Other than being extremely toxic, lead attitives leave major deposits in the combustion chamber - some of us "oldsters" remember the days when spark plugs needed to be changed every couple of thousand miles. This was due mainly to "lead fouling". For more than you will ever care to read about the lead debate, check out the letters section of Hemmings Motor News. Classic car enthusiasts have been whining about lead removal for years, as it's absense has led to engine problems for certain classic cars designed with high compression engines and a need for lead's lubricating qualities. There are all kinds of chemicals you can add to gasoline to raise its octane rating (knock resistance) - ethanol is one, MTBE another, tetraethyl lead yet another. All have their downsides with respect to toxicity and automotive drivability issues.
  • hugozhugoz Member Posts: 82
    In case any of you fellow Focus owners have been frustrated in getting simple warranty repairs done, perhaps you can benefit from my experience:

    I've just been back to the dealer a THIRD time to get my ZX3's driver side door latch fixed; seems an inside cable is defective, and I have to roll down my window and open it from the outside. Been like this now for about two months (car is only four months old!).

    On my first visit, it took the dealer two days to figure out that they had to special order the part (which means you have to wait 14 days or so for the part to come in). I then went back when the part came in, only to find out that it was the wrong part! ("Don't worry, we'll get it right next time!") On the third trip, I'm told the part is in, but after leaving my car there again for two days, I'm told that whatever part it was that came in was inadvertently sent back to Ford, and now they can't get it because this problem may be Ford-wide -- the part is not available and has to be (get this) manufactured first and then distributed. No telling when that will happen.

    The dealer has been sympathetic to the problem but little else: every step of the way they keep saying to me, "oh, on new model cars, this happens, it's hard to get parts." Like I was born yesterday. This is the 7th new car I've bought in the past 20 years, and all my other new cars (which were Hondas, Mitsubishi or Nissan) never had any such problem with parts. On top of all this, the skilled Ford mechanics put a couple of obvious nicks into the door panel vinyl -- which they will replace, but only because I saw it and demanded that they do something. And on top of that, I had to fight with them to get a loaner on my third visit!

    Meanwile, my car wouldn't even pass a Maryland state vehicle inspection because being able to open your driver's door is a safety item that they check. Turns out Maryland has a state automobile lemon law (MD Commercial Code section 14-1502). Pursuant to that law, I just sent Ford a letter via certified mail return receipt demanding that the problem be fixed within 30 days.

    So, thank God for lemon laws, and let's see what happens next ... the ball is now in Ford's court.
  • hugozhugoz Member Posts: 82
    I think Carsdirect.com is a great tool for finding out a good "benchmark" price on any new car. I did that when I bought my ZX3 last March. I then wound up buying from a dealer, but I got a firm price over the internet, using the MSN Carpoint dealer quote service, that beat the Carsdirect.com price (about 1% over invoice). Turns out that the largest Ford dealer in my area had an "internet sales manager" whose main job was to respond to email requests such as mine. No haggling, and no "middleman" car buying service.
  • hugozhugoz Member Posts: 82
    P.S. (to post #236)-- I still think the ZX3 is a great car, but really, Ford has got to do better service-wise. By the way, can anyone suggest a good law firm to contact in the Maryland/DC Metro area, just in case?
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    "Superchip" is the brand. Seems to be the most ecognized and reputable Ford chip manufacturer.

    Opinions on this vary, but the consensus around here is that the chip alone doesn'yt do that much, but it is good in combination with other power mods.

    Remember, chips in normally aspirated engines don't do nearly as much as they do in turbos, where they can adjust maximum PSI, etc. For NAs, they mostly adjust the engine to runs more powerfully on high octane fuel (here we go again).
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    And the Superchip generally runs about $270, but I've seen them for as little as $230.

    The company (http://www.superchips.com) suggests that you order direct and provide the number on your computer so that they have a chiup that is properly calibrated for your specific car.
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    Well, the results are disappointing after a wash or two.
    The polish stains are back. Sigh. Will go looking for something else to do the job today. I'll ask the service guys when I get the oil changed in the next hour.
  • uthemanutheman Member Posts: 18
    I used Turtle Wax Formula 2001 Super Protectant on the trim. Not only did it remove the white wax stains but it left the trim shiny and a deeper shade of black. It's been 5 days since application without a trace of the wax stains coming back. And it couldn't have been easier. Wipe on and walk away.
  • uthemanutheman Member Posts: 18
    I forgot to give my 2 cents on the subject of window tinting. For those of you who think window tinting should be outlawed try living in Arizona without it and see if you don't change your mind. Only 115 today. Just stay within the laws of your respective states and you won't have any problems.
  • jcu1886jcu1886 Member Posts: 39
    Just had first oil change and pressure sensor recall done at Marshall Ford East in Cleveland. All finished in less than an hour. No problem with overfilling on the oil.
  • zgrrrlzgrrrl Member Posts: 147
    Missed reading the board yesterday - I come back and it's like I am back in HS chemistry! Great stuff......

    So if scotch guard & g shock got this board back in the top 10 that should catapult it into the edmunds ford focus information board along with the options :)
  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    tog,
    thx for the info on the chip... im not sure if it's wort it to get, but for around a hundred bucks i was thinkin about it.

    pat, it is a SUPERCHIP brand chip

    on another note, could someone tell me exactly how much the value of the 2000 Z is going to drop since it is the end of the model year? i need to find this out so I can use it against my dealer. since they shafted me on my delivery time... i wanna go back there and put it to him like this. since they're taking so long, by the time it comes, as one of you guys here pointed out to me, it will be considered a year old by blue book value and therefore most likely be of lesser value than what I am paying.

    any numbers are appreciated.

    thanks
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    Go to http://www.kbb.com to get the value.

    Mine, with 5500 miles is worth $15,200 retail and $13,200 trade-in. Funny, 'cause I paid $14,300 for it, so theoretically I can sell my car for a profit =]
  • zgrrrlzgrrrl Member Posts: 147
    that's funny I was just going to post my car is retailing for about 2 grand more than I paid for it Out the Door. Even when I've piled up the miles......
  • cahollancahollan Member Posts: 32
    Getting it serviced competently.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    You've hit the nail on the head. It is almost as bad as buying a Corvette, and expecting your average Chevy mechanic to care enough to service it correctly. I'm not saying there aren't good dealerships out there, but I feel the odds are against you. It seems Ford dealerships down here want to sell only one thing - trucks. This attitude seems to carry over into the service department as well.
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    Had the oil change with no smelly side effrcts.
    Service man told me he uses something called Googone to get rid of the polish stains on the plastic trim. Said it is orange in color and sole at places like K-mart.
    Any feedback on this??
    Frank
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    Had the oil change with no smelly side effects.
    Service man told me he uses something called
    'Googone' to get rid of the polish stains on the
    plastic trim. Said it is orange in color and sold
    at places like K-mart.
    Any feedback on this??
    Frank

    PS Always do a spellcheck. :>)
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    sourced parts from all over the new so-called
    world economy.thats the high-priced paid for letting all the u.s.mfg. jobs leave.its the cold hard facts.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    the other alternatives that replaced lead seems to
    be pose more potential hazards than the original
    formulations.especially mtbe,which has been showing
    up in local water,from fallout.i had nearly forgotten the fouled-up spark plugs you mentioned.
    replacing plugs,points,condenser,rotor,cap +wires.
    or any part for that matter use to be a fun and
    a fairly routine task.there was also a lot more room to work around.
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    Thanks Beastmaster, for the URl.
    But, has anyone actually used this for polish removal?
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    fgaydos - ive never used the product.however,ive been often tempted to try it.i have been wanting to remove the sticky residue off many of my cd jewel cases.you can peel off label than when you attempt
    to clean the rest off,it smears everywhere.the
    product is oil-based.probably works on molding like
    the peanut butter.hey,you can always download the
    the adventures of goo gone guy comic book.
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    3rd para, last sentence should have read: "Did Ford forget to tell the ZX3 owners something?
  • catmomcatmom Member Posts: 42
    Checked my oil level today prior to first oil change (4500 miles). It was about 3/4 qt. low. Where did the oil go? Took it to Jiffy Lube and provided my own motorcraft filter. I asked them to look for any leaks and they said they couldn't find any, but you know how that goes. Should I be worried? I wouldn't think I should be using oil on a new car.

    pcleveland2--I agree that the sticker about an exchange program for auto tranny is a little frightening. It seems as though I read somewhere that there was a design flaw in the transmission that was designed by Mazda for the North American Focus. Maybe this means that they will have new transmission available after 8/31 rather than than a "fix". Sigh
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    Try using WD-40 to remove old glue from stickers. I've used at work and it works pretty well.
    Let it soak in.
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