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can determine is that one has a trunk and one has tailgate...
incentives available on 2002s...3.9-5.7
If this is true, where does it say it (if anyone knows).
thanks.... John
Also, I have read through out this board of "vwguild". What/who is this? From different posts, it sounded like a dealer/locator? Am I correct? Please enlighten me. Thanks.
John
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awesome V6) is less expensive than the lowest price passat wagon."
You may want to check your math. the L30 V6 stickers at $22,850. There is no negotiation, so that is how much you will pay. The Passat Wagon stickers at $23,100, but Edmunds TMV states that it will sell for $21,822.
Saturn's one contribution to automotive evolution is the use of dent-proof body panels in mass-produced vehicles.
On the other hand, "de gustibus non est disputandum".
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This will be Passat #2, sharing the driveway with a 99 sedan.
Thanks for the input.
Jace
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comparing a used car (matero and his passats) with a brand new car (the saturn) isn't fair.. get a few thousand on the saturn and then report back.....
Thus far I am very happy with my 2000 Passat wagon. After 44,000 miles in just over 15 months the car is rattle-free and feels as tight as when it was new.
Recently a short wire connecting an air bag sensor failed causing the air bag warning light and chime to appear, but this was only AFTER the car was rear-ended on I-81. The other insurance company paid for all repairs.
Aside from that only two minor problems arose, all within the first few thousand miles and all fixed in one day by the dealer. This is better reliability and build quality than I have experienced with other cars bought new, including a BMW 318i, two Camrys and a Land Cruiser. The most recent issue of Consumer Reports' annual buying guide rates the 2000 1.8T Passat in the highest reliability category, along with Camrys and Accords.
The two things that might dissuade me from buying another Passat are the high cost of parts and the dishonesty and lies I encountered from the sales manager and, perhaps, the salesman as well. On the other hand, the service manager and staff are as good as those at the local Toyota dealer (both excellent), and the Toyota sales department is worse.
In the end, the best course is to seek out independent statistical evidence from sources such as CR or the insurance industry's crash testing institute, then buy what pleases you and hope that you don't get a lemon. Opinions here and elsewhere are just that, and are not a sufficient basis for deciding on a major purchase.
BTW, my comments above about Saturns and Opels are based on experience with long and short term rentals, and a couple of office cars. All were awful.
If it had been my choice (wife's car) we would have purchased the A4. That is not to say that I don't like the Passat, I do very much. For 2002 VW upped the warranty so if that is a concern (you did say 2001.5, right) you may want to go with the Audi. The main reason my wife liked the Passat better was that it was a tad bigger. The back seat of the A4 was just way to small. Either way I think you will be happy.
I bought the car as an upgrade from a beat-up 1989 toyota corolla s/w so I was anticipating to pay more for everything.....next time I hope to up grade to a bmw 5 series wagon or an MB E320 wagon in which I would expect to Pay more....if I ws going to stay level it would have been a ford focus or something like it......so it's all relative to what your buying and why.....I'm a firm believer on NOT LIVING BEYOND YOUR MEANS, I get the best that I CAN AFFORD......I could've gotten a bimmer or a mb on credit but would've killed me to maintain them.......by the way i've got a 2002 passat wagon with just under 5k mi. and it's been really great, i like it more and more each time i drive it.....ALoha From Maui
This is not true. I also susbribe to CR and the predicted relibility of the 2001 and 2002 Passat has been rated at "AVERAGE" at best (Blank circle). Both Accord and Camry have a full red circle for predicted reliability which is rated as "MUCH HIGHER THAN AVERAGE"...big difference there.
My 2001 Impala LS has better predicted relibility than the new Passat, according to CR..."Better than average" which is denote by a Half full red circle.
The Passat might be great but price, long term reliability and dealer network service and support are KIA grade, not Euro near luxury standard.
incompetent Sales Person was referring to the Sedan...Those seats do no fold down, but have a
pass thru for skis, etc.
The one I received a week or so ago gives the 2000 1.8T Passat the same highest rating as for the Camry and Accord - a check mark in outline, not solid color. The V-6 receives the next lower rating. Ratings vary by year as well, but show continual improvement from 1998-2000.
In my opinion, too many people look at improving ratings in the CR data over the years as proof of increasing quality; in reality, all it indicates is potential long term reliability issues. The perfect example was my 1994 850 Volvo wagon; in 1995, CR listed it as above average in reliability; by the time I sold it last year, its ratings had deteriorated significantly as well as my personal car maintenance budget.
The CR ratings are statistically correct, but make sure you interpret them properly.
Mike
fold, but not the Sedan...
Once I was told that my power steering hose needed to be replaced -AGAIN! First time was under warranty so I didn't mind, but since the second would be on my tab I decided to wait. I put a little fluid in and it hasn't been down since. That was about a year ago.